#but at what cost honestly its been kill your gays since fucking 1986

[sharing-tangerines]

It: Chapter 2 Thoughts

-right off the bat I wanna say that while I liked and enjoyed this movie, I like the first movie a whole lot better

-the 1st movie i think does better w delving into the character's psyches and making us understand why they're afraid of something

-i feel like I didn't really know the adult losers bc I didnt. They were like completely new people to me

-also. The tonal shifts throughout the movie were so jarring. Like that scene where eddie is fighting the leper? Its fucking intense until it throws up on him and that fucking song plays. I hated that

-and I personally think they relied too heavily on like jump scares and cheap horror tricks which like sucks bc honestly this movie wasnt that scary. No scratch that it wasnt scary. It was more of am adventure movie than a horror movie

-also I absolutely hated how they retconned Bill's character like that. He was a perfectly fine character and we didnt need to know that he wasnt actually sick. We didnt need that at all

-oh and fucking hell I hate the cgi on the "young" (I put that on quotes bc they're my age and it's weird to me calling them young) losers faces. Especially anime finn wolfhard holy shit I hated every second of that.

-AND THEIR VOICES. you didnt need to make them sound like discount Alvin and the chipmunks like i dont think voices need digital altering. I'm sure it would've been fine w the physical raising stuff the kids were doing

-ok time for positive things

-shoutout to Andy Bean bc homeboy was literally in this movie for maybe 5 minutes and then he was dead. Like yeah good for u for sticking it out (but also I did not want to see his bare ass on screen no thanks)

-Eddie is so fucking feral as an adult. Like he was feral as a kid but james ransone just cranked it up to an 11 and I appreciate it

-i kinda hate myself for watching leaked clips but whatever

-i cant remember things well bc I watched this yesterday but jessica chastain smoking a cigarette (bonus points for crying) might've made me hard idk

-mike drugged bill and that's no ok but like it was funny. Bill was seriously not having a great time

-I READ SOMEWHERE THAT THE REASON FOR THE SHOWER CAPS WAS BC LIKE BILL GAVE THEM ALL LICE OR SOMETHING BUT APPARENTLY ITS JUST FOR SPIDERS LIKE WHO TOLD ME LICE

-hamocks belong to the gays now I dont make the rules

-i really wasnt into the tiddy monster that attacked beverly like not to be a downer but that sucked

-finn wolfhard has been type casted as past-era queer boys deeply in love w their best and honestly that's kind of my dream. If I ever actually pursue acting that's what I want my typecast to be pls

-also the kid cant run for shit someone pls put together comparison gifs of the kid running in anything I'm telling u he cant

-i really liked it when eddie stabbed Henry Bowers like yeah that was cool but also eddie during that whole scene was kind of the definition of gay fear that was just it

-hey bill hader can u like not throw up for one goddamn second pls

-its really fucking sad that bill is projecting his guilt of Georgie onto this random fucking kid whO DIED LIKE I DIDNT EXPECT THAT OHMYGOD

-i missed stan. He baby. But also demon head stan? No thanks. Dont like. Get it out of here. Nope nope nope

-I almost cried when eddie asked bill not to be mad at him like yeah theres the eddie/bill from the book I've been waiting for (do they have a ship name I dont think so huh)

-yo the fact that they made a giant pennywise like....I didnt like that all that much. I think most of the 3rd act I didnt like. Idk it just didnt seem right and none of it was scary! It was just a big boss battle!

-YO THOSE BEV + BLOOD AND BEN + DIRT SCENES WERE SO FUCKING GOOD LIKE YEAH MAYBE STRAIGHTS DO DESERVE ROGHTS

-oh fuck wait ok that scene where old bill is confronting young bill and he shoots him in the head and jaeden just kinda falls back yeah I found that visually stunning

-only half of the kids got to channel pennywise thsts a shame all of those fuckers shouldve been able to channel pennywise

-how the hell did eddie throw that spear so well what

-OHMYGOD HE GOT STABBED HE GOT STABBED WHILE LOOKING AT RICHIE OHMYGOD WAIT SHIT NO NO NO NO NO

-theure fucking,,,,bullying the clown to death. That's what they're doing. That's how they beat It. I cant believe that this is my life like yeah it was cool how they destroyed its heart but did they really need to fucking bully it

-hey um give bill hader an oscar bc um homeboy really delivered like tears fell. That shit hurted I cannot believe that richie tozier has been in love w eddie kaspbrak for 27+ years like wow the audacity

-i really miss those fucking kids like no offense to the adults but the kids have my heart. I miss them give me another movie w them please

-YO THEY ALL REMEMBER NO WAY THST MAKES ME SO HAPPY

-cool richie is recarving the initials great ok um I wanna die but that's fine just yknow say goodbye to ur first love ig no biggie

-cool I cant believe stan has the audacity to write this fucjing letter I'm weeping inside fuck

-a flawed yet enjoyable movie 7/10

#it #it 2019 #it chapter 2 #YO I COMPLETELY FORGOT ABOUT THE HATE CRIME AT THE BEGINNING #a bitch just blocked that shit out ohmygod #yeah um that sucked #but also reddies make some fucking noise bc we won! #but at what cost honestly its been kill your gays since fucking 1986 #mey takes notes during films

[incarnateirony]

Hey dude! Do you have any recommendations for LGBTQ+ movies in the romance genre that have like a happy ending. I really don't care how old they are. I'm feeling the Gay™ hence I need the Gay™. You feel me?

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First sorry for taking so long, not only did I have to timeline this :) but :) my computer :) froze :) after writing like :) 2 pages :) and I had to do it again :)

So anyway let it be said, the LGBT dialogue is one of osmosis and shared growth and awareness. Some of these films will be very poorly dated, but as you (thankfully) mentioned that them being old wasn’t a *problem*, expect a lot of old stuff. Because one of the most important things to have under your belt when talking about the LGBT media representation battle is the actual journey from A to B – be that incrementalization, subtextual inclusion, text-breeching features, outright evocative and groundbreaking films at the time (which is what MOST of this list will be) and an improvement in our dialogue; let us never forget that while tr*nss*xual is considered a slur and transgender is proper, tr*nss*xual was at one point the politically correct way to speak it – things like that breach in our growing understanding of the spectrum of human sexuality. 

I *WILL* disclaimer these aren’t all romance, so if you explicitly want romance, google them and take a look if it sounds to appeal, but I’m taking this as a general cinema history plug considering what a confused mess fandom conversation about LGBT history in film or modern text as applicable, accepted or not.

Wonder Bar (1936) (I wouldn’t really call this queer cinema, but if you have the time to watch it too, I think it was the first explicit mention of homosexual engagement even if it was fleetingly brief. You might even call it Last Call style. A blink and you’ll miss it plug that was still decades ahead of its time)

Sylvia Scarlet (1936) (Again, I wouldn’t call this queer cinema, but a lot of the community takes it as the first potential trans representation on TV due to the lead literally swapping gender presentation, even if the presentation is… not what we would modernly call representation IMO)

Un Chant d'Amour (1950) (Worth it for the sheer fact that it pissed off fundies so bad they took it all the way to the US supreme court to get it declared obscene.)

The Children’s Hour (1961) (also known as the 1961 lesson to “don’t be a gossipy, outting bitch”)

Victim (1961) (The first english film to use the word “homosexual” and to focus explicitly on gay sexuality. People might look on it disdainfully from modern lenses, but it really helped progress british understanding of homosexuality)

Scorpio Rising (1964) (Lmao this one deadass got taken to court when it pissed people off and California had to rule that it didn’t count as obscene bc it had social value, worth it for the history if nothing else)

Theorem (1968) (Because who doesn’t wanna watch a 60s flick about a bisexual angel, modern issues and associations be damned)

The Killing of Sister George (1968) (by the makers of What Ever Happened To Baby Jane)

Midnight Cowboy (1969) (…have I had sassy contagonists in RP make a Dean joke off of this more than once, maybe)

Fellini-Satyricon (1969) (AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA THIS)

The Boys in the Band (1970) (This… this… this made a lot of fuss. Just remember leather)

Pink Narcissus (1971) (a labor of love shot on someone’s personal camera)

Death in Venice (1971) (This is basically a T&S prequel but whatever, based on a much older book)

Cabaret (1972) 

Pink Flamingos (1972) (SHIT’S WILD)

The Bitter Tears of Petra von Kant (1972) (The title doesn’t lie, be warned)

The Rocky Horror Picture Show (1975) [god I hope you’ve at least seen this]

Fox and His Friends (1975) (some really hard lessons that are still viable today, that just because someone acknowledges your sexuality doesn’t mean they give a shit about you as a person, and that some will even abuse the knowledge for gain)

The Terence Davies Trilogy (1983) (REALLY interesting history look it up, it’s sort of one of those “drawn from own experience” story short sets)

The Times of Harvey Milk (1984) (Documentary)

Desert Hearts (1985) (Pretty much the first film to put lesbianism into a good light as a true focus based on a novel from the sixties)

Parting Glances (1986) (the only film its creator got out before his death from the aids epidemic)

Law of Desire (1987) (two men and a trans woman in a love triangle, kinda ahead of its time)

Maurice (1987) (This one’s really interesting, cuz it was based on a book made about 15 years before it, but the book itself had been written half a century earlier and wasn’t published until after the guy died, he just thought it’d never get published Cuz Gay, so basically it’s based on a story written in like, the 20s finally getting screen time. It has a bittersweet but positive-leaning-ish ending without disregarding the cost that can come with it and even addresses class issues at the same time 100% DO RECOMMEND)

Tongues Untied (1989) (a documentary to give voices to LGBT black men) 

Longtime Companion (1990) (This one’s title alone is history, based on a NYT phrasing for how they talked about people’s partners dying, eg longtime companion, during the AIDS epidemic)

Paris Is Burning (1990) (Drag culture and related sexual and gender identity exploration as it intersected with class issues and other privileges explored in a documentary)

The Crying Game (1992)( I should correct this that I guess it’s more, 1992 considered, “SURPRISE, DIL HAS A DILL!” – I guess I really didn’t do that summary justice by modern language and dialogue as much as how people in the 90s were talking about that and that’s a my bad. LIKE. SEE, EVEN I CAN FUCK UP MY LANGUAGE I’M SORRY CAN I BLAME THE STRAIGHTS T_T) #90skidproblems – I guess I should call it a trans film. And this alone tells me I should go watch it again to recode it in my brain modernly rather than like circa de la 2000 understanding.

The Bird Cage (1996) (So you mix drag culture, otherwise heterosexually connected lovebirds, and then realize the girl comes from an alt-rightish house and the guy comes from a Two Dads Home and does cabaret, how to deal with the issues OF this conflict when it’s between you and your happiness, even if the fight isn’t even your own as much as it is that of the person you love. The answer is PROBABLY NOT to dress in drag and pretend to be straight, but what are you going to do? – while played for laughs we’d consider modernly crude, the fact that they even dared to approach this narrative was pretty loud)

The Celluloid Closet (1996) (Ever heard of the Vito Russo test for LGBT representation? This is based on a book by Vito Russo.)

Happy Together (1997) (Ain’t this shit an ironic name; a mutual narrative, via chinese flick, of hong kong ceding to china and an irrevocably tangled MLM pairing as a giant mirrored metaphor)

Boys Don’t Cry (1999) (one of the most groundbreaking films about trans identity at the time)

Stranger Inside (2001) (As easy as it is to recoil to the idea of “black gays in jail”, the film makers actually went and consulted prisoners and put a great deal of focus into intersectional african american issues that really weren’t around even in straight films at the time)

Transamerica (2005) (While it made a bit of a fuss for not casting an actual trans actor, it was one of the first times a big budget studio really tried to tackle it which really pushed us forward)

Call Me by Your Name (2017) (since I’ve apparently leaned really heavy old cinema throw in a modern one lmaooooo)

Also honorable The Kids Are All Right (2010) mention for the sake of the fucking title alone. 

And to any incarnation of “On the Road” by Kerouac, which

Was originally a book

Released a sanitized de-gayed edition because of the times

Later released the full homo manuscript

had a few film adaptations

Was one of Kripke’s founding inspirations for Supernatural once he left behind “Some reporter guy chases stories” and took the formula of Sal and Dean (and tbh later, Carlo) in a beat generation vibe gone modern as we know it today.

Reading both versions of this can actually help some folks currently understand that when you get confused over some shit (WHY IS CARLO SO UPSET? WHY IS HE ACTING LIKE AN UPSET GIRLFRIEND??? WHY IS HE SO JEALOUS AND SAD WHEN DEAN IS AROUND GIRLS???? WE JUST DONT KNOWWWWWWWWWWWWW) it’s because some big money asshat bleached the content, and sometimes, it takes a while for the full script to come out and again, surprise, it’s been GAY, they just didn’t want to OFFEND anybody. *jazz hands*

Now if you wanna go WAY WAY BACK, during 191X years, a bunch of gender role flicks came out like Charley’s Aunt, Mabel’s Blunder and the Florida Enchantment.

Also where is @thecoffeebrain-blog to yell about the necessity of watching Oz, for the next few hours? But no, seriously, just look into the entire LGBT *HISTORY* of Oz.

Beyond that though I’m gonna stop here cuz hi that’s a lot. I really don’t know how much counts as “happy ending” but if I had to give an LGBT cinema rec list, that’s it as a sum. I don’t really have like, a big portfolio of UWU HAPPY ENDING GAYS because 1. there aren’t a lot of those but 2. to me, it’s not about the ending, it’s about the journey. Be that in flick or through culture and history itself.

If you want more happy ending stuff, you definitely have to look at 2010+, but it’s not like we’re in a rich and fertile landscape yet so honestly just googling that would probably serve you better since I don’t explicitly explore romance genre or happy endings to really have a collection. LGBT life is hard and film often reflects that if we’re making genuine statements about it and really representing it, and we’re just now getting to a point of reliably having the chance at a happy ending. That or maybe someone can add like “Explicit happy endings” lists after this that has more experience in that subgenre.

Also, I can’t emphasize ENOUGH to remember what was progressive then is not what is progressive now, and frankly, what some people think is progressive now they’ll probably look back on what they said and feel really fuckin’ embarrassed. See: “It’s not text because by alt right homophobic dialogue, M/M sex isn’t gay if you do the secret handshake” MGTOW kinda crazy ass dialogue or parallel narratives they inspire that encourage self-closeting and denial based on the pure idea that being gay makes you somehow lesser, so It’s Not That. Like. I am. 99% sure. At least half of the people talking in this fandom. Are going to regret that the internet is forever. And maybe hope hosting servers end in the inevitable nuclear war that will annihilate this planet.

Also, edit: Speaking of mistaken dialogues and words aging poorly, I’d like to apologize from the poor description I rendered “The Crying Game” with, but that really goes to show how deep-seated the issue is we can so casually fuck up identifying a trans narrative as SURPRISE DICK IS GAY when we were all absorbing the content like 20+ years ago and HOW HARD it can be to de-code yourself from that kind of programming because here I am, writing a giant assed rep post and fucking it up because my brain hadn’t soaked that movie since Y2K. Guess what, time for me to go watch the Crying Game again.

#lgbtqia #representation #media #cinema history