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synnthamonsugar · 3 years
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Neutralizing Savathun with friendship would be such a cool and transgressive twist!!!  Destiny 2 has dealt so much with the idea of revenge, it was the entire point of Forsaken, and Season of the Hunt / Chosen / Splicer have all dealt with taking a moral high road, with not giving in to old grudges and preconceived notions.
But Savathun doesn’t really deserve redemption does she?
She’s not Crow, a man with the misfortune of wearing the face of a dead enemy. She isn’t Caiatl or Mithrax, representatives of peaceable factions of species with whom humanity traditionally has antipathy. She’s awful. But she’s struggling against something worse, something universe-endingly destructive, she has seen the scam and the injustice of it all and is trying to break it! And as she sets herself up to do so, she’s beginning to have a conscience, to think about people besides herself even as she throws their lives into chaos.
It would be so, SO interesting to me to see a story that posits that it’s better to pursue lasting positive change than vengeance. That actually the righteous thing to do is not end your enemy but turn your enemy into an ally. And, no, it doesn’t make up for the massive-but-finite amount of harm that she has done - nothing ever will - but it will spare an infinite amount of future harm. Ultimately that is the only thing we can change and the only thing that matters.
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synnthamonsugar · 3 years
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Savathun's Trip to the Last City
Now that we have a clearer picture of what’s going on with Savathun I decided to compile the last year’s worth of her POV lore pieces together.
This is super long, and has spoilers for Path of the Splicer VI / Beneath the Endless Night VII, so I’m putting it under a cut.
Credit to @xivuuarath for reading through this and adding some of their ideas! We talked about more beyond what’s posted here, but this is getting long, so maybe that would be better saved for a part two.
1. Traveler's Chosen (Season of Arrivals)
This piece is told from the POV of a narrator viewing the events through an "ossific den". Based on later lore pieces, I'm certain the narrator is Savathun. Given that ahamkara bones have been compromised by her, and that Shaxx has an ahamkara skull slung up in his station, it’s safe to assume this is Sav’s vantage point.
That said, I don't believe Savathun is observing Shaxx, but rather Zavala, struggling in the wake of the Darkness' encroachment on the system and his colleagues' refusals to evacuate to safety. She seems pleased to find Zavala in a desperate state, and watches as he has a silent conversation with the Traveler. Of note is that she's waiting for it to respond.
He waits for a response and I do as well, tense, curious. [ . . . ] It is no time at all for me, but for him, the hours creep by in silence.
I am ready to choke the voice of his Traveler if it answers him, but there is nothing.
2. Harbinger Mission (Season of the Hunt)
Thank you to @xivuuarath​ for pointing this out since I didn’t include it the first time around. During the Harbinger mission Savathun’s forces are attempting to secure a Shard of the Traveler in the EDZ. Of note is that they aren’t trying to destroy it, but rather siphon the Light from it.
Given that the Shard of the Traveler is what allowed our Guardian to jumpstart their Light when they lost it during the Red War, and is what allowed Uldren Sov to break into the Dreaming City during the events of Forsaken, we can assume it’s useful to lightbearers and mortals alike. Make note of this, because it becomes potentially relevant later on.
2.5. Hawkmoon (Season of the Hunt)
From an unknown vantage point, Savathun watches The Guardian and Crow celebrate their defeat of her Taken at the Shard of the Traveler. Unlike Zavala, she can find no weak points in Crow or the Guardian, only happiness. This awakens something in her.
What is this feeling? I did not ask for it. I do not understand it. I do not want it.
Which gets repeated throughout the lore piece. This is our first glimpse of Savathun having feelings that don't fall into the range of "malevolence" or "plotting". She yearns for her youth with her siblings and the warmth of her old life, and feels burgeoning regret for the people she betrayed.
There is a growing kinship here. Against better judgment.
This is ambiguous enough to be a comment on Crow’s and The Guardian’s relationship, or herself and The Guardian and/or Crow. She's called us her friend before but this might be the first time she's actually had friendly feelings for us.
3. Books of Sorrow: New Verse (Season of the Hunt)
This hasn't actually been posted on Ishtar Collective and I'm too lazy to track down a transcript online, so pardon the source. There's a lot to unpack here.
I walk in a city made of delicate hopes.
Savathun has moved beyond occupying ahamkara bones and is actually physically present.
I hear my name everywhere. [. . .] The sound is nourishment.
Imbaru machine on-line?
I am more than I ever was, and less than I will ever be.
Make note of this line.
I am many and none. I'm a man who sits alone in a cavernous office counting my failures. I'm a woman looking at a silent god. I'm a lost soul on a cold moon. I'm a broken mirror of a man who tries to steer the ship.
Comparing (?) herself to Zavala, Ikora, Eris, and back to Zavala again?
I'm a familiar stranger, flitting between them all, hiding my face.
Again, I think she's speaking literally here.
The people here are small krill dwarfed by the enormity of oblivion.
A neat little comparison of humanity with the krill, who we established in her last appearance she's beginning to feel regret for.
4. Retrofuturist (Season of the Chosen)
Savathun watches a Crucible match, and judges Guardians for being reckless with the gift of immortality. The tone of this piece reinforces the idea she is actually out and about in a corporeal form.
I'm mostly interested in her perspective on Ghosts here. She calls them "A perfect being", and describes their ability to revive the dead as miraculous. She isn't happy that the spectators don't appreciate the gravity of this. Weird sentiment for a hive but ok.
I look up into the blank white face. I feel its Light on my cheeks. It no longer burns me.
The Hive are repelled by the Light. Savathun has grown to tolerate it. Something has changed in her metaphysical composition.
@xivuuarath​ made the excellent observation that she might have been at least partially successful in the Harbinger mission - that she may have secured enough Light to build up an immunity, allowing her to be physically present in the City without being hurt by the Traveler.
Each revival is a choice. I know what to do.
Tuck this away for a moment.
5. Beneath the Endless Night: VII - Ripe (Season of the Splicer)
Okay this whole page is insane so excuse the massive infodump here.
I walk through the City on broken legs. I am conspicuous, but the people here grant me many affordances. I chose this form well.
Confirmation that our girl is actually bumping about in a human-form.
I open my eyes and search the faces of the people around me for familiarity. I did not mean to. I twist inwardly with disgust.
She's sympathizing with the humans of the City. She does not like this, but she is!
When they first reached for me, I reached back in acid mockery, and they opened themselves to me in stupid, naked innocence. I was giddy. My fingers raked their minds. I forced my will through them using only words and met no resistance.
Now I reach as often as they do, and when they reach back, I am thankful. I speak with them. I seek their company. Their companionship.
In case it wasn’t obvious already, Savathun has been running a psy-op on the residents of the Last City, which may explain some of the particularly erratic and troubling behavior from individuals / groups this season.
However the interesting thing is, while Sav used her powers of suggestion to manipulate, the humans unknowingly manipulated her in return. Not through any magic - simply through their kindness.
Savathun is doing more than observing the people of the Last City, she is living with them, getting to know them. Savathun is making friends and it’s literally changing her.
This is not pity, for I know pity. What is this—
A call back to the Hawkmoon lore with her trying to make sense of budding positive feelings.
I clench the gangling black mass that threatens to unspool recklessly from within this shell of flesh. My new arms are too thin, too weak. My new shell still bound with thick mucus. Not yet, I say.
I suspect that the “new shell” she talks about here is not her human-form, but rather something else growing inside it.
A man places his hands on me, on my shoulders, on my back. He asks if I am ill, and he sees my flat eyes, my teeth black with ripeness, and he prepares to scream. I let him keep his mind. I push breath up and through my ruined mouth and speak a simple lie. He stops, smiles, laughs. Shakes his head. He points a finger at me in mocking admonishment before walking away.
A few things to unpack here.
Savathun is physically deteriorating... badly. @xivuuarath pointed out that the body horror of this particular scene mirrors the Emissary’s description of a world with no darkness and creatures that are incapable of death even as they physically fall apart, and if you follow that line of thinking you may infer that she’s forcing herself to live through light alone.
She's approachable enough that some rando would see her in trouble and want to help her, reinforcing the point that she's been wandering about the City and vibing with its residents.
She could have done worse to the good samaritan but chooses not to. She does her mind trick and lets him go about his business. She’s showing mercy... which is something we know the hive absolutely must not do at the risk of being consumed by their worm.
Even here, basted in deception both ample and rich, the Worm cries ravenously. It has grown grotesque, skin taut, overfed, and still it howls for more. It commands me to keep it alive.
I look up, beyond the flickering net of darkness, and see what rests just beyond. Waiting for me. The Worm roars.
NOT DISCONCERTINGLY AMBIGUOUS AT ALL that we don't know if the worm is roaring in terror, pleading or triumph.
TL;DR of what I think is going on.
Savathun came to the City to destabilize it through manipulation, but could not be physically present until she hardened herself to the Light. Camouflaging herself in a human form, she spent time with the residents of the City, and found herself manipulated in return by their kindness. She's resisting the positive emotions, but they're there, which is something we've never seen between hive and humans before. You can't have a crisis of conscience if you don't have a conscience, and Savathun does.
I think Savathun is trying to shed her current form and be reborn in some capacity. I think she's going to try to use the Light to rid herself of the Worm and bootstrap herself into something new. If you'd asked me before reading this lore, I would have insisted that she wanted to become a thought-entity, but the cocoon-like imagery makes me second-guess this assumption.
There are outstanding questions at this point.
Why did she want to prevent Eris and/or The Guardian from communicating with the Darkness in Season of Arrivals? Is there a purpose to the Endless Night beyond eroding willpower and sowing division? Is she trying to save only herself, or attempt to undo the millennia-old injustice she inflicted on her people?
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synnthamonsugar · 3 years
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(Spoilers for Beneath The Endless Night VII lol)
Based on my SO’s and my idea that his (Russophone) Guardian, Ylenna, is one of the City residents who have unwittingly befriended Human-Savathun and that Phoebe feels the Bad Vibes Only.
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synnthamonsugar · 3 years
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Spoilers for Beneath the Endless Night VII:
also also also also I'm actually freaking losing my marbles at the parallel of Eris and Savathun. Eris is the most hive a human has ever been. Savathun is the most human a hive has ever been. Eris went into the Hellmouth and changed to survive and Savathun went up to the City and changed to survive. Both touched / were touched by the alien, both became something else, both became more and less than they were before.
Savathun has likened herself and Eris and in a way she's kind of right. They share the singular experience of living as human and hive and other people might have insights into that experience but no one has gone through it on such a visceral level as they have. In some other world where they find themselves on the same side they might be the two people who actually understand each other!!!! Who would not have to explain what they’ve been through or look at each other with judgement, only see each other as equals, ichor-stained eye to ichor-stained eye!!!!
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synnthamonsugar · 3 years
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Spoilers Beneath the Endless Night VII:
OH LET ME TELL YOU. I AM REALLY FEELING SOME KIND OF WAY about Savathun in a body that is human but not quite human enough staggering through the city on newborn-weak limbs with ichor welling in her eyes and pouring from her mouth, weak and disoriented but singularly determined.
It makes me think of Eris cutting out eyes one-two, one-two-three and Toland watching his bones turned to dust and Mara throwing herself on Oryx's blade becoming repugnant and alien and not herself. The intersections of all their stories: the bodily and existential horror of their respective unmaking/remaking in the image of the Hive, and how the Mother of All Their Sorrows must face this terror as she refashions herself in the image of Humanity!!!!
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synnthamonsugar · 3 years
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Spoilers for Beneath The Endless Night VII
I can’t say I have a physical headcanon for Human Savathun beyond “generic”. But, I’d like to think she’s dressed vaguely hunterish (good cover: no one will question weird loner behavior and she gets to wear a cloak all the time), and that she has two eyes. I know hive eyes are the most aesthetique thing ever but I’m too attached to the idea of her losing an eye much as Eris gained one!
In contrast to her appearance at the end of Dust, where I like to imagine she looks like a stereotypical sweet old granny but with three soulfire eyes (even though it’s not described).
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synnthamonsugar · 3 years
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Got to talking about the new lore with my SO and how our guardians fit into it ...
(Spoilers for Beneath The Endless Night VII)
We decided there's even money that his guardian, Ylenna, is one of the City people who kick it with Savathun. If anyone would hang out with a disoriented wobbly-limbed ichor-bleeding mystery woman, squatting on the street corner and sharing a drink, it would be Ylenna.
Which opens up the absolutely ridiculous possibility that Phoebe has too, because Phoebe and Ylenna are ride or die for each other and spend lots of time together... though Phoebe would be judgemental of her astonishingly bad vibes and uncanny aura, undoubtedly.
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