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killian-whump · 6 years

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@doodlelolly That other post is getting way too long, so let’s at least fight like civilized people with “Read More” cuts, yes?

I’ve quoted the portions of your post as I respond to them, since the initial post isn’t here. Also, for those who wish to see what has occurred before (and to prove I am not trying to “hide” anything in there and truly am just trying to save my followers’ dashboards) the post is here.

Ok. So here’s what I’m getting from your repeated condescending tone and aggressive responses. You believe you’re in the right and nothing is gonna change your mind. It kind of seems to be a trend that I’ve ignored until now because, as you mentioned before, it’s only a small percentage of your actual content. But we’re this far in already so I’ll continue to throw my 2 cents in cuz, hey, why not.

Of course I think I’m right, as do you. That’s literally the foundation of every single argument in the world. BOTH sides believe they’re right, otherwise they wouldn’t be arguing. So please don’t point a “You think you’re right!” finger at me as if you’re making a profound point about my character. It takes two to tango, and YOU are the one who asked me to dance tonight.

So let’s break down the responses you gave as mentioned above. To the first anti Jen sentiments, you expressed outrage and disapproval immediately, and then when someone disagreed, as in the case with Jen’s two defenders, you tried to maintain that air of neutrality. What does that say to your followers?

It says exactly what my words stated. My initial reaction is to think what Jen said is rude to the cast, crew and writers of the show, but I am withholding official judgement until I see a video for myself. That is what I said, in full, in my initial response - and what I continued to state, in part, in my further comments on posts I made explicitly to amplify the comments made in Jen’s defense. Had my response to those comments been the impetus for posting them, I could’ve put them in the replies portion of the post. I POSTED them, with a simple response of my stance on the subject, to GIVE VOICE to the positive interpretations of Jen’s words.

Honestly, I’m curious what you would’ve preferred me do, instead of what I did. Should I have ignored the positive comments entirely, as I ignored the negative ones? Should I have made sure my response to all three comments were identical by adding the part about thinking the comment (as reported) was rude? Either of those options seem like they would’ve legitimately given the impression that I was being “anti jen” - and, frankly, the options of me either not sharing my opinions at all or lying and saying I was convinced by the defense when I hadn’t yet seen the video I’m waiting on aren’t things I am willing to do.

And I never once said that your anti Jen tag inconvenienced me, not did I allude to it. I simply pointed out that if you use that tag, you’re probably going to find something anti Jen. I’m not asking you to change it. I wouldn’t expect you to. I think it’s absolutely appropriate.

You stated that by USING the tag, I knew there was “anti jen” sentiments within the post. I explained that I use the tag, even for mild criticism or what might be construed as criticism, out of respect for a follower who ASKED me to do so. Polite, civil, valid, and/or respectful criticism is not “anti” anything, though I have a strong suspicion you probably think it is - and perhaps that’s where our problem lies in communicating with each other. We seem to have wildly different ideas of what constitutes “bashing” someone.

And for you to be so ready to discuss the so called “ammo” for season 7 antis and shut down the asks about whether or not this is the right place for one if your followers is another huge red flag that you are playing favorites. Why is an ask that someone flat out calls Jen out in “well thought out” and someone looking for information on the content of your blog (with a compliment to you, no less!) “dropping bullshit”? That seems very biased to me.

It IS biased. I answer almost all of my asks, and I will answer one asking my opinion on something one of Colin’s former co-stars said about the project they worked on with Colin MUCH differently than I will answer an Ask that perfectly fits an established pattern of trolling asks I receive whenever a specific catalyst occurs - and said catalyst has just occurred.

I’m sorry that you’ve gotten hate for your opinions in the past, but neither of the anon responses to this subject, to me, appeared hateful. The first anon was expressing their opinion (which I didn’t agree with either, for the record) and the second was concerned on whether or not they should remain a follower. I don’t know this person, and neither do you, so your assumptions that they are not a follower and trying to stir the pot are only assumptions, just as mine are that their intentions are genuine.

However, MY assumptions are based on a pattern of events that have continually and predictably occurred for MONTHS now. Jen gets mentioned on the blog, or some non-CS ship gets attention, or I make a critical comment about Jen/Emma/CS... and I receive two rapid-fire Asks in my box: the first one a pro-Jen/CS/Emma rant about whatever topic set them off, and the second some “I’m a long time follower, but this concerns me!” nonsense. Sometimes (as tonight), there is a third one that goes on with the pro-Jen sentiments and adds some anti-Colin ones for good measure. I didn’t post that one, but it DID arrive - as expected.

Also, it bears mentioning that an Ask doesn’t have to be “mean” to be trolling. Some of the asks this individual sends ARE mean, yes, but it’s the repetition, insincerity, and lack of relevance to my blog’s subject that offends.

YOUR assumptions are based off of seeing two random asks on my blog and coming to your own conclusions about them based on the Asks themselves. I’m sorry, but in this case... this isn’t just a difference of opinion here. Your assumption is being made without the full picture, and I understand that, but I am GIVING you the information that led me to make the assumption I made - and as I said before, I am standing by it unless someone wants to admit they SENT that Ask and I made a mistake in interpreting its source/purpose.

And I’m sorry you misinterpreted the way I worded my hypothetical. Allow me to rephrase. Simply take all of the instances where Jen’s name is mentioned and replace them with Colin’s. Would your response be different? I expect st least your initial one would be. You would be much more likely to take an immediately neutral stance instead of rushing out the gate with a negative comment. So no, they weren’t completely different questions. Just replacing one actor’s name with another.

My apologies. It was my misunderstanding. Allow me to adjust my answer.

I am being 100% honest when I tell you my initial response of saying it’s RUDE and that I am withholding judgement until I see a video would be the same. Although, in the interest of full honesty, I probably might have expressed a disbelief that he ever WOULD say such a thing, as I genuinely don’t think I’ve ever heard the man utter anything (in seriousness) that is even in the same ballpark as that kind of comment. However, I know this from having followed his career, interviews and comments for some time. I do not follow Jen’s, and therefore have no reasonable expectation of what she would/wouldn’t say.

As for the rude comments from others... I would have ignored them, just as I did tonight - unless they got excessive. In which case, I would have pointed out to those making them that the OP is a Colin fan and could they please have their conversation elsewhere than on my post. As I said elsewhere, I do not “police” people’s opinions, unless they’re based on something proven to be false or seem grossly misguided in a way I feel I can help them with.

I tend to believe people who are eyewitnesses to the occurrence. Eyewitness testimony stands up in court so I mean, it’s a huge shove towards the truth in my opinion. But I intend to watch the video when it surfaces as well and I will continue to support your decision to do so.

The problem here is that someone directed me privately to the Twitter post from someone at the panel where they quoted Jen as saying she carried the show. You’re assuming that all we have here is heresay and the comments from two people who were there - but the initial “quote” that started all of this is FROM someone who was there. Hence, I am withholding my judgement until I see the video, myself, and know EXACTLY what was said and can determine from her face/tone how it was intended.

And you know the same could sentiment could be said for your accusations and assumptions of me. I disagreed with your post. Vehemently. And you have willfully misinterpreted most things I’ve said as evidenced by the clarifications, redirections, and explanations I’ve given above to support your argument as you see fit. It’s absurd and I don’t appreciate having my words twisted or ones I never said put in my mouth.

Ah, but I am the one being accused of “bashing” Jen and being hateful towards her. The onus is on YOU to PROVE these accusations, and you have not done that. I stated an initial, honest opinion - that I admit is critical of Jen, but not overly so - and then did my best to AMPLIFY the defense of her and IGNORE the harsher criticisms of her - and yet you STILL persist in insisting you’re right and that I somehow acted hatefully towards Jen tonight. I haven’t. I said her words were rude - and, if it turns out she didn’t say what she reportedly said, I will take that criticism back.

And you are correct, this time you aren’t bashing Jen, either directly or indirectly. You’re clearly coming for me directly and I don’t think anyone thinks otherwise. I’m totally fine with that, bee tee dubs. But I agree with the tag once again. Doubly so this time cuz, hey, my name is Jen too ;)

Need I remind you once again that it was YOU who began this fight and YOU who is making baseless accusations against me without any actual evidence of them? Tell me, what have I “come at you” for? What have I accused you of? I think you’ll find I’m merely defending myself here.

Honestly, seeing the things others ARE saying about Jen, both on Twitter AND Tumblr, over this supposed statement... I am truly confused how my simply saying such a comment is “rude” and the way I handled someone who I sincerely believe has been trolling me off and on for over a year warrants the sort of attention this is being given. I mean, there’s literally dozens of other people you could be “calling out” for bashing Jen right now who are actually bashing her quite horribly... Am I truly the hill you want to plant your Jen Defense Squad banner on? XD

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pastelbrachypelma · 6 years

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So apparently the new content in the Markiplier fandom is that someone posted in the Markiplier tab and got all butthurt about Mark seeing it. ...I guess because they were a Darkiplier RP blog...?

While I understand the very real fear of a celebrity stumbling upon your content, there are a few things that I don’t understand about the anger from the person in question.

1. Markiplier was right that it has been an established fact that he checks the Markiplier tag from the first day of his tumblr. (He’s mentioned it in several videos.)

2. The post that was reblogged was not dirty or embarrassing.

3. Markiplier played along with the OP by ROLEPLAYING as the post requested. (As someone who has owned several RP blogs, I understand the nature of the post, but I can see how Mark misinterpreted it.)

OP’s response was unnecessarily rude, without establishing the RP character at all (just so nobody can say they were IC at the time). In my opinion, Mark should not have continued to interact and therefore give OP undue attention, but that’s another matter. OP should have responded differently, and this could have been done in two ways:

1. Thank Mark for appearing on the post and say something like: “I love your videos!” or “x series was my favorite!” Y’know...something that might be said if Mark were encountered in person.

2. Say hello politely, but explain that the post is asking for other RP blogs to join in. {What I think the post was actually asking for, based on experience.) Additionally, thank Mark for appearing, and do same as above.

Certainly if the second had been done, I’d like to think Mark would have stopped interacting. I think he thought he was being funny, and while I didn’t personally find it to be such, I don’t think it was offensive in any way. In fact, it looked like Mark was trying to imitate the structure of “fake RP” posts, like the one between a seal and a basketball player, that circulate every so often.

That being said, I don’t personally think Mark handled the situation in the aftermath as well as he could have. While Mark may check the “markiplier” tag often, he doesn’t “own” the tag, no more than I own the “Game Grumps” tag. It’s a tag for fandom, but it’s also a tag that Mark cares about checking. Anyone posting there should be aware (especially if they are a long-time viewer or follow the markiplier tumblr) that Mark may see it. I’m assuming no one posts lewd fanart in that tag...for obvious reasons. So I feel as though that comment is out of line. No one “owns” a tag, and anyone can use it.

My second disagreement comes over the sarcastic post about a “secret” tag. It starts out deceptively like a legitimate apology, and then becomes incredibly sarcastic, ending with a #SECRETTAG tag at the bottom. Did OP handle the situation incorrectly? Absolutely. Should the situation be provoked further? HELL NO. While OP’s outburst was rude and unnecessary, they may have been frightened if their blog contained content they’d rather prevent Mark from seeing. (I’m sure we all have that thought from time to time while reblogging shipping art of real people. Hell, I know I’d never want the Grumps to stumble on the stuff I write or reblog!) However, Mark as a creator knows for sure that there are parts of fandom that are meant to be kept a secret from the creators, at least as much as humanly possible. I don’t think I’ve ever seen Mark reblogging shipping art. (I haven’t seen Jack doing it either, so I’m making assumptions here.) The content creators, as Mark said himself once, “know the internet is a messed up place” [sic], and therefore know to turn a blind eye to embarrassing posts. OP getting riled up would only encourage a curious celebrity to go looking, I’d imagine. A neutral response like the two I suggested above works better.

I’m going to end this very long post by saying that I’m not active in the Markiplier fandom. I’m a Lovely through and through, and that is where I go for my Let’s Play content. Not exclusively, but most frequently. I only say this because I’m not in the current Markiplier fandom. I don’t create content that is Mark-specific, which is obvious from my blog title. I’d like to think this makes me a neutral party on the subject and in this debate, and I’d like anyone who may see this to remember that. I do my best to remain objective and logical.

Please note also that I do not squarely place the blame with Mark, or with OP. I think both of you are at fault, and I would hope that this post explains why. Anyone who needs further clarification, and who can be articulate and speak peacefully, is welcome in my askbox. I will not answer chats, unless they happen to come from Mark, on the off chance he sees this.

This is my take on the situation. Thank you for reading everything, and have a great day!

#personal #danneleighofthedeepbluediscourse #i guess?#markiplier #fandom

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