#and what place the no killing rule has in the inegrity of the whole character and the symbol itself.

[yvtro]

not enough appreciation for countdown #15 wherein jason meets alternative universe bruce who killed the joker (not stopping at this, he went on to eradicate most of gotham rogues gallery in a murder spree similar to that of red hood) and the utter disappointment that jay has in the person that this version of his father has become as bruce discourages him from helping donna in crisis. "we're both dead, batman." – what a raw piece of dialogue.

"go on, then, "jason." you're dead anyway. may as well make it official." "we're both dead, batman. any fool could see you've been dead inside for years."

#i just know that some utrh fans would say that this is missing the point as jason wanted only the joker dead (by bruce's hand that is) #and would say that it's not a slippery slope #but i think what they are missing is what batman is all about #and what place the no killing rule has in the inegrity of the whole character and the symbol itself. #i think you all know that i am plenty sympathetic to jason's reasoning in utrh and his emotional needs #but this story wouldn't have a good ending if bruce did what jason wanted him to anyway #that's kind of the whole point. this is why it's a tragedy #because they would both end up dead in a way. #dc comics #jason todd #bruce wayne #countdown #wretched mirrors #indeed a wretched mirrors moment!