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#and to be comparing me to abusers and rapists and TERRORISTS? be serious
fleshdyke · 1 year
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i almost feel bad making fun of dancinbutterfly bc this is clearly not a normal response for like anyone and this has to be some sort of mental health issue
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   The murder and eviction of whites in Zimbabwe has been    commented on in the news but in Zimbabwe's southern neighbor, south Africa,    whites are being slaughtered at an even higher rate.        South Africa has three times the population of Zimbabwe,    and 13 times the White population: almost 6 million Whites live there.    As with Zimbabwe, the media silence about the murder of Whites there is    almost total; and in South Africa's case, even human rights groups are    largely silent, perhaps because the Black takeover there was so recent    and so many "liberals" have an emotional investment in the ANC/Communist    regime they helped to power.        In 1994, after decades of propaganda in the media and    sentimental whimpering from the churches, South African Whites were finally    persuaded to hand power over to Black Communists, who installed an ANC    ("African National Congress")/Communist government that, for    some strange reason, failed to follow Marxist ideology when it came to    expropriating the business interests of the Oppenheimer family, who dominate    South Africa's economy. They did succeed, however, in making South Africa    into a multiracial sewer with one of the highest violent crime, murder,    rape, and AIDS infection rates in the world. The media made a saint of    Nelson Mandela, a convicted terrorist who had been imprisoned by the White    government there, and when the Whites capitulated he was made President.        After the media's announcement that their long campaign    of sanctions, boycotts, and intimidation had finally succeeded in bringing    "equality" and "democracy" to what had previously been    one of the few outposts of White civilization on the African continent,    the media coverage of that country almost ceased, and one seldom hears    about South Africa today in the mass media. The reason is that South Africa    is rapidly descending into crime, disease, filth, and savagery.        Since the Black takeover in 1994, 1,368 White farmers    have been murdered in farm invasions and attacks that number in the multiple    thousands. More than half of the White farmers have given up and left their    farms permanently, contributing to the region's looming famine. And yet    this is not an issue in the Jewish media. South African farmers now suffer    the highest murder rate in the world -- 274 per 100,000. In a study commissioned    by a leading South African bank, Nedbank, it was revealed that the Black    attackers are        "'deliberately targeting specific homesteads to    kill the [White] Afrikaner victims': robbery was not the prime motivation,    in fact in 85% of last year's farm attacks, nothing had been 'robbed.'"        In other words, killing the White man, raping and killing    the White woman, raping and killing the White child are the real motivations.    And yet this is not an issue in the American media.        Let me give you a few examples:        On June 15th of this year, sugar farmer Robert Dent and    his wife Allison, both 59, were killed in front of their twelve-year-old    son Nicholas Dent. A Black invader entered the Dent home between two and    three AM that Saturday morning, armed with a military-style rifle. He bludgeoned    the unarmed couple, who were surprised in their sleep, and then, in the    presence of their son, shot them to death at point-blank range in the farmhouse    bathroom. The terrified Nicholas was then forced to drive the killer in    his parents' car about three miles away, where both killer and child escaped.        I have the figures in front of me for just this month,    September 2002, and though the month isn't over, nine farmers have been    killed, including four children and an elderly farm couple, George and    Albertina Lewis, whose dog was also killed. The police report on the Lewis's    murder says "no motive."        In August, a farmer's wife was attacked in a firebombing,    and Johan Viljoen, a Zevenfontein cheese farmer, was torched to death along    with one of his workers. Christo Olivier and Jan Kempdorp of Vryburg were    tortured to death and then buried in a shallow grave. The two Blacks who    were arrested for this crime were granted bail. On the 7th, the headless    torso of what police reports call an "ethnic-European male" was    found on Mpumalanga farm. And Johannes Maree, 62, of Randfontein, was found    bludgeoned to death on August 1st.        In June and July, Johan Steyn, 65, was shot dead in the    Cullinan area; smallholder Roy Murley was tortured to death; Johannes Lake    and Johnny Scheepers were shot to death; dairy farmer George Siemens, 62,    was killed; and Cheryl van Houten, 51, was hacked to death.        In April and May, Ben Vorster, 67, was murdered by an    armed Black gang; Andre Pienaar, 56, was shot dead; Mona Sawyer, 78, served    food to a Black caller at her home in Magaliesberg and was then stabbed    to death; Rita Mans, a 31-year-old farmer's wife was shot to death in Ottosdal;    70-year-old Iris du Preez was murdered on her small farm; Dickson Pillay,    36, and his brother Sandy Pillay of Glendale Farm homestead were burned    to death when Blacks torched their farm.        In the first three months of this year, more than 30    farm murders occurred, including the killing of classical musician Felicity    Gale, 58, of Port Jackson -- her husband, Rodney, 67, survived the attack;    Marius and Lillian Delport, 50 and 54, of a smallholding near De Deur were    shot and nothing was stolen; Rudi Schmidt, 51, of a farm near Pontdrift    was stabbed to death; 21-year-old Catherine Watkins of Potchefstroom was    found with her windpipe torn out; Estelle Burger, 27, a farmers wife, was    kidnapped and then shot; John de Lange, 66, a smallholder in Mount Pleasant    was shot to death, his wife, Evelin de Lange, 60, was raped and garroted;    and Arthur Smith, 63, and his wife Isobel, were found with their throats    slit and their bodies severely beaten on their farm in Sundra.        I'm just giving you the highlights here, by the way,    and just from the last few months. The grisly details and the horrifying    numbers can be found in the reports of Crimebusters South Africa and the    excellent data assembled by Adriana Stuijt and her "Journalism During    Apartheid" site. These farm massacres are occurring at a reported    rate of about one every other day. The horror on these White farms has    been steadily climbing since 1994. And yet this is not an issue in the    Jewish media.        Unlike Zimbabwe, the government in South Africa does    not have an officially-announced policy of supporting these farm invasions    and massacres. But they do have a policy of looking the other way and doing    next to nothing about it, a policy which encourages Black violence against    Whites. Their attitude is perhaps best expressed by Peter Mokaba, until    recently South Africa's Deputy Minister of Environmental Affairs and Tourism,    who whined recently that "The high crime rate is seriously affecting    tourism and an alternative image of South Africa needed to be promoted.    We want to encourage people to come here and see that crime does not dominate."    Really? What Mr. Mokaba did not tell you was that he himself is famous    for the slogans he invented and uttered again and again when he was a leader    in the ANC/Communist war against the White government of South Africa:    "Kill the Boer! Kill the farmer!" and "One settler, one    bullet."        Kill the Boer, kill the farmer. And it is to such a government    that White farmers must appeal for protection.        Even that government admits that, under Black rule, crime    and murder are out of control. The South African Police Service report    entitled Attacks on Farms and Smallholdings 1/99 stated: "Violence    seems to have become an endemic feature of South African life. According    to the comparative crime statistics for 1996 released by Interpol, the    country tops the list internationally as far as the incidence of murder    and rape is concerned. the fact that attacks on the residents of farms    and smallholdings are escalating at a rate out of proportion to the general    increase in crime figures observed in South Africa is indeed cause for    serious concern."        Such, I suppose, are the wonderful benefits of "multiracial    democracy."        The murders I've been describing here are just the farm    murders. The murder rate in the cities is even higher, for Johannesburg    alone it is 500 per month. Many of the victims are White, and the attackers    Black and racially motivated, a fact that is never mentioned in the US    media.        And South Africa is also the rape capital of the world.    A woman is reported raped every 23 seconds in South Africa. A small child    is reported raped every thirty minutes. And remember, these are the reported    and admitted rapes. This dismal record is partly due to the Congoids' innate    savagery when released from the control of civilized men, and partly due    to the Black folk belief that raping a virgin will cure AIDS, which is    rampant in that country. [Jackie Loffell, Johannesburg Child Welfare Society,    13th International Congress on Child Abuse and Neglect in Durban.]        On May 24, 2000, the beaten, battered and nearly frozen    body of a young Polish woman was found, clad only in a soaked t-shirt,    along the road to South Africa's Sterkfontein Dam. Her body was so cold    it was actually blue. Her hair was wet and she was covered with bruises,    open wounds, deep scratches, and mud. She was curled in a fetal position.    She was still alive. To students of rape in South Africa she was another    digit in the statistics. To Americans and Europeans who get their news    from the major media, she didn't even exist.        She was a 27-year-old newlywed on her honeymoon, a honeymoon    that ended when three Blacks murdered her husband in front of her eyes    and then brutally raped her, beat her, attempted to kill her and left her    for dead. The bruise marks around her neck indicated that her rapists had    tried to strangle her. At the treatment center she was immediately given    AZT by Polish Consulate authorities (treatment refused her by the South    African government) in the hope that it would prevent the transfer of HIV,    since two of her three attackers tested positive for the virus.        She testified that after her attackers murdered her husband,    they forced her in the trunk of their car, and went to a secluded spot    where each of the Blacks raped her in turn. They then attempted to drown    her by stamping their feet on her head in an attempt to keep her head underwater.    The woman has returned to her native Poland and refuses to set foot in    South Africa again, even to testify.        As reported by investigator Jack Galt, on November 17th    of the same year, a 14-year-old White girl was cruelly raped by a gang    of five blacks in her home in Pretoria. According to her counselors, she    has been traumatized for the rest of her life. Spokesmen for the White    Afrikaner community, who you will not hear on CBS, NBC, or Fox News, state    that this attack was a deliberate attempt to terrorize Whites.        Five heavily-armed Blacks invaded the home, and proceeded    to tie up the girl's mother, father, six-year-old sister and ten-year-old    brother with barbed wire in the living room.        They then grabbed the 14-year-old girl and took her to    the bathroom, where they brutally gang-raped her, each of the five Blacks    in turn, with the family listening nearby, helpless. Then the Blacks returned    to the living room where they beat and kicked the White father in the face    while he was still tied up, ransacked the home, and fled in the family's    car.        South African mother Ame Brown of Elliot in the Eastern    Cape recently stated: "On the 8th of October, 1998 my two children    and I were overpowered by four Black men. We were robbed of everything,    and before leaving the men took turns raping me in front of my two boys    aged 8 and 12. They forced my boys to watch. I have since then been tested    for HIV of which my tests at five months showed positive. It has not been    easy coping with being raped and having HIV. But I have a fantastic husband    who has stood by me through all my depression and down days and all my    sleepless nights. He has been my backbone and tower of strength."        The rape situation is so bad in South Africa -- the worst    in the world -- that British and American doctors are now advising female    travelers to carry anti-AIDS drugs in their bags because of the high risk    of infection from HIV-carrying rapists there. The British security magazine    Intersec reports "The high number of reported rapes in the country    is already a deterrent for prospective visitors -- and the South African    government's decision not to provide AZT to victims of rape means they    are unlikely to get the drugs at local clinics." Dr. Andrew Jamieson,    medical director of the British Airways Travel Clinic, said "the academic    travel medicine community had discussed the issue for a number of years."        "About six months ago, it was decided that this    would be a reasonable thing to do ... it's all about risk management. There    is a real risk for travelers to this country and other countries in Africa.    We do have a high HIV rate and a high incidence of rape so we cannot pretend    it is not there," he said. Predictably, the South African government,    which fails to protect White women from rapists, is furious at the doctors,    fearing a further loss of tourism dollars.        White ingenuity and inventiveness have come up with an    experimental deterrent to the Black rapist problem, however. Seventy-two-year-old    Jaap Haumann, a retired anesthetist in the Free State, South Africa, has    invented what he calls a "mutilator tampon" designed to lop off    the end of a rapist's penis. Haumann says he designed the device after    talking to rape victims, and he thinks that at least a million South African    women will flock to buy it. "It became clear to me that rape has a    devastating impact on the lives of women, physically and especially mentally.    We all know that South Africa has the highest rape statistics in the world.    With this device I believe would-be rapists would think twice before attacking    any woman in this country." Unfortunately, Dr. Haumann's invention    would not solve the problem of HIV transmission.        Cape Town, South Africa has become the world capital    of what is called the "sex tourism" trade. Press reports have    described it as the "sleaze capital of the world," and these    days that's really saying something. Perverts from all over the world go    there (bringing "needed tourist dollars" to be sure) to have    sex with children, many of them White sex slaves, but others imported from    brothels as far away as Thailand. "Sex with children," of course,    is just a euphemism for rape of the innocent. "Child Sex Tours"    are even sponsored by some "entrepreneurs" while the government    looks the other way.        In the bad old days of White rule and apartheid, such    things weren't tolerated. But in the new "rainbow" South Africa,    where can the innocent victims look for protection? The mayor of Cape Town,    a Black named William Bantom, was recently discovered to be enjoying his    huge personal collection of child pornography in his office while on the    job. And he wasn't ousted as mayor. Perhaps the Church will help them?    Bantom is also a noted clergyman, known for his liberal views on "human    rights," "democracy," and "equality."        A listener in New York has written this week to ask what    he and others can do to help the embattled Whites of Southern Africa. He    rightly points out that even though our first priority is to build the    National Alliance into a powerhouse to secure the future of our people,    these White farmers need help now in their local communities, in their    own countries. I can't tell you how you should help, but I can put you    in touch with those who are on the front lines in those countries, and    they can tell you more.        Two of the best sources of news about Zimbabwe and South    Africa on the Internet are Southern Cross Africa News, http://www.scafrica.com;    and also the South African Exiles Site, http://www.netcomuk.co.uk/~springbk.    If you weren't able to copy the URL's as you listened to the radio, don't    worry; they'll be present in the text version of this broadcast at our    natvan.com and natall.com Web sites, and all subscribers to our monthly    Free Speech newsletter will get them, too. There's also a publication from    South Africa entitled The Boer, which is charting a path for eventual self-determination    and national freedom for Whites in a White state. The publishers also operate    a White history museum in South Africa, the Balmoral Genocide Museum, to    preserve for future generations the true history of that land which the    present Black government is trying to erase from our memories. They may    be reached via the Southern Cross Africa site just mentioned, or you may    write to them at their postal address of:        Balmoral Museum. 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sonfaro · 6 years
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@you-me-and-the-force-between-us Thank you for your rebuttal.  My response will be similarly long, and tumblr is being annoying so I’m switching to a new thread.
“Normal behavior isn’t always guaranteed by everyone. That’s life. Of course there are always going to be outliers of people who don’t think as they should. But they’re small compared to the number of people who CAN make these differences, so making comparisons like these are not only hurtful, but useless. It doesn’t matter WHAT language you use, somewhere out there–is going to fan over a serial killer or want to become one, because it’s not about language, it’s about personal experiences.” It DOES matter to those who are left behind.  To those who’s people are routinely NOT treated in this way.  Infantilizing dangerous white men at any level of media sets a tone.  To see that kind of behavior follow into fiction and NOBODY have a problem with it is beyond bizarre to me.  I’ve had friends locked up for far less who never got treated like the children they were, so forgive me if I’m a little sensitive to the subject. “People who sympathisize with these types of people are either going through some sort of fucked up, I’m edgy 100%, phase that they’ll grow out of or have some serious mental instabilities. It isn’t the media’s job to walk on egg shells with language,“ It’s the media’s job to present the truth with no spin.  When they do things like this, it absolutely poisons the well.  There’s no one to blame for his crimes but the monster, but there are people to blame for how that monster is viewed by the masses. “This other rhetoric about what’s being said and how it compares to fiction–it’s bullshit. And let’s be honest here for a second–just honestly speaking–looking through OP’s page you can very damn well tell this post isn’t done with good intentions in mind; it’s a clear attack on a group of people under the facet of being a good citizen who truly cares. Which also pisses me off.“ In what way?  I’ve literally seen someone claim that Kylo is ‘young’ and ‘doesn’t know any better’. That sort of language does exist amongst the fandom. “(I’ve seen people call others abelist for using the word crazy on this hellsite, but idc either way) “ You’re sympathizing with the villain is all.  Which is fine, “ Clearly it isn’t??? Because that’s OP’s point. That’s what OP has a problem with, saying that we’re like criminal sympathizers because we sympathize with a villain–so YES I agree, I’m JUST sympathizing with a villain IS ALL, nothing more. That’s the point.“ OP’s point is about the language being used: the infantilizing and woobifying.  I can sympathize with Erik Killmonger, but know he’s a grown man and his end in Black Panther is justified.  I’m not going to say “He’s basically a teenager lashing out” or nonsense like that - which IS a thing that Kylo stans have said. “ALSO JUST SO EVERYONE’S AWARE. This ISN’T the media saying this.“ Matt O’Donnell, listed below the lawyer in OP’s post, is a reporter.  He lists the killer’s status as an orphan (with no reason), his young age (with no reason), and suggests he had a ‘troubled’ background.  These are softening social cues. And the media doesn’t have to make these quotes the headline.  It is they who present these quotes as a worthy title for an article. “Darth Vader is one of THEE most popular villains of all time, and most people ADORE baby-fying him.” Not canon Darth Vader they don’t.  If you want an Alt universe Kylo (like Emo Kylo Ren) it’s whatever.  That's a separate idea. “He was Kylo BEFORE KYLO EXISTED–he’s WORSE than Kylo–so where’s all the hate there?“ I disagree.  Vader was a tool for the Emperor.  Kylo IS the Emperor now.  And the hate is largely gone because in canon Vader died sacrificing himself for the hero.  “Why isn’t the majority of the world turned into serial killer supporters by now?  A. The majority of the world isn’t into star wars.  We’re a big fandom, but the world is bigger B. and the majority of Vader’s fans don’t try to justify his actions.  He’s liked because he makes a great foil for our heroes. Why isn’t OP making a comparison to Darth Vader and attacking his fans? Again, Vader’s fans generally don’t make excuses for his actions. Because OP has an agenda to attack Reylos and make them seem like horrible people, because that’s just the way the shit rolls on Tumblr nowadays.  Agreed, he definitely does. “[...]Committing a crime due to violent media, is far less easy to prove, and there has been no direct connection thus far.“ Right, but your post flat said “It isn’t true”, and that has not yet been determined.  Hence my post. “All of these still prove my point–media alone does NOT transform you into a violent person UNLESS you already have a predisposition to being violent (like a history of abuse or a mental illness etc). It ISN’T true until you have enough statistics that back up your claim, and this doesn’t. What’s unhelpful, is not being well researched in a matter and making blatant claims. “ But I didn’t make a blatant claim about video games.  I literally said the jury was still out.  In response to you flat saying it wasn’t true.  -_- “The media compares Hux and FO to Nazism because there’s a legitimate comparison to make (I know some SW fans disagree with me, but there is blatant Nazism parallels imo), because that was done PURPOSEFULLY. They took one evil regime irl and were inspired by it to create a fictional one of it. Every writer and design EVER takes inspiration form real life things to create something, eve villains. But let’s give an example here of a rational comparison and a shitty one:- Hux is like a Nazi (this can be confirmed by the imagery in SW, and background information, etc)  - Hux is like a Nazi and therefore if you like Hux you like the Nazi party and therefore you’re a Nazi apologist. Hux is a Nazi and you’re a Nazi apologist.“ This is a bit of a straw man.  You’d only be a Nazi apologist if you thought Hux’s POV were correct.  Once more, liking a villain is fine - liking them to the point where your sympathy leads you to defend their views and actions is another thing entirely. “Saying that someone who likes Hux or the FO is like someone who might have agreed/sympathized with the deaths of millions of people is a HORRIBLE, inaccurate comparison to make (also Hux is LIKE a Nazi and Hux IS a Nazi are two different things, “ Again, that’s not what’s happening here.  OP is talking about a specific action (how shippers talk about Kylo). Not liking the character in general. “And if you’re going to make the point that forcing yourself into someone’s mind is akin to rape, and therefore Kylo’s a rapist (and therefore Reylos are rape apologists–no lie i hear this shit WAY TOO much) then guess what?Obi-Wan is a rapist.Vader is a rapist.LUKE is a rapist.”  I mean Vader definitely attempted to force himself into his daughters mind in ANH.  Dude was the villain.  The jedi mindtrick is more deception than anything else - morally suspect but not a painful violation unless there are more than one person doing it at the same time.  Which is the actual term Pablo Hidalgo prefers for what Kylo does to Rey in that scene - a violation. “She (or he idk and idc tbh) is basically insinuating that Kylo Ren sympathizers cause school shooters sympathizers.“ Or vice versa, that the media and how damaged white monsters are portrayed is the reason Reylo’s see Kylo as sympathetic.  Which was what OP’s excuse was IIRC.  Personally I think the fault for both lies more with societies internal preference for white dudes, but that’s my take. “//Also–just for future notice–I don’t suggest ever using a Buzzfeed article to support your claim because your credibility will go right out the window. Buzzfeed is a pandering shitfest that is really written more by biased bloggers than actual reporters. I suggest using articles without bias and an actual good writing team and reputation.//“ I mean at this point that’s every news organization ever - least in America as far as I can tell.  You can barely open a paper or watch the news without someone's opinion’s being clear.  And it’s hardly the only article: https://www.salon.com/2016/01/12/we_need_to_talk_about_ben_kylo_ren_star_wars_and_the_media_narrative_of_the_mentally_ill_school_shooter/ https://www.theverge.com/2016/1/1/10698090/emo-kylo-ren-star-wars-parody-twitter http://www.forcematerial.com/home/2017/11/5/we-need-to-talk-about-kylo https://geekmom.com/2016/01/trying-not-to-raise-kylo-ren/ Kylo being compared to real world evil isn’t new.  Shoot, there’s a bunch that link Kylo to the alt-right as well.  Double shoot, Adam Driver himself straight compared him to terrorists.  Kylo gets compared to lots of real world evil people.  It’s going to happen. “Yup that’s definitely what happened. It wasn’t like he literally saw Luke about to kill him in his sleep“ No, he LITERALLY saw Luke post realization that he was in the wrong but still holding his lightsaber (like an idiot) and jumped to the conclusion his uncle was going to attack him.  Luke’s behavior (which is a character assassination if I’ve ever seen one, but that’s an argument for another time) also happens only after peering into Ben’s mind and seeing nothing but evil.  Ben then definitely attacks his uncle after that - from his point of view in self defence, sure - but from the overhead view an unnecessarily. “Oh no–wait, I was wrong:“ ...the article LITERALLY lists him murdering the kids.  -_- “Oh so I guess it’s like I said before–people PICK AND CHOOSE their biases!! There is a UNMISTAKABLE comparison between Vader and Kylo FOR A REASON–the two ARE very much alike. But Kylo is a shooter and Vader’s tragic and grand?? GET THE FUCK OUT OF HERE WITH THIS BULLSHIT.“ Uh, yeah.  Vaders complete arc requires six movies at two hours at least each to tell.  It’s pretty grand (lofty, big, etc).  His heel turn alone is a culmination of three whole films.  Also, the article presents Kylo as tragic as well, with Drivers portrayal being described as:  “a mixture of pain and hurt so raw it threatens to rend the fabric of the series every time he's on screen“.  Did you actually read it? “really made me want to pluck my eyes out. Holy hell my dude, why did you use this as a reference when it’s so clearly just—bad?? I think I lost five years of my life.“ Because it’s another example of Kylo being compared to the evil that is a school shooter.  Again, it’s not the only time, and it’s not the only horrible evil he’s compared to.  OP was insensitive about it though, given recent events. “And I want to make this clear–I don’t give a single FUCK if you don’t like Kylo Ren. That your opinion.“ I like his character a lot actually.  I think he makes an excellent, compelling villain based on Adam Driver’s work.  My issue is people attempting to pretend he isn’t one, or that his past trauma absolves him of ANYTHING he’s chosen to do, or that anyone owes him anything at this point, or pretending that this 30 year old man’s childishness can be justified at all.  My bigger concern is that sort of thing happens in the real world for folks just like Kylo and that the two often sound exactly the same. “ I CARE when you bring real people into stupid fictional shit and say “You’re the reason why this is happening. It’s YOUR fault things are this way” I don’t think that was OP’s point at all.  Least as far as he’s said. “ESPECIALLY when fiction is used right after a real tragedy like this. “ THAT I can agree with.  Dude was insensitive. “ It’s disgusting to be compared on ANY level with someone who might do something like this–and again–it isn’t true. “ No one compared you guys to the shooter.  How you TALK about the villain was compared. “ Read up on mental illness, debate gun control, read up on what actually causes school shooters to occur, look up psychological studies of BOTH sides, not just what Buzzfeed says–they aren’t accredited to make those calls in any way.“ The article I listed didn’t list the causes of school shooting at all.  Did you just skim it? “STOP accepting this shit behavior my dude. It ISN’T OK or educated AT ALL. It’s downright stupid.“ The behavior I don’t accept.  The point - that dangerous young white men are coddled both in and out of fiction - is all too true though.
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