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wheelercurse · 1 year

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I wanna know how the GA and the Anti Bylers think the painting storyline is gonna close out.

do they think it's never going to be brought up again? I think most casual viewers feel this bc I haven't heard one of my GA friends talk about the painting coming back ever. They think Will's lie is gonna stay a lie forever. (But this one makes no sense bc of all the painting merchandise, and also friends don't lie. All the other lies on this show have been exposed but the biggest lie on this show is going to stay a lie? That don't make no sense).

do they think Mike is gonna turn into Ted Wheeler Jr. once he finds out Will lied and call Will a bunch of slurs and be disgusted? (This one makes no sense too bc homophobia has always been villainized on the show: Lonnie Byers was clearly shown as abusive, Troy was pushed over by Mike and got his arm broken by El, Billy's dad was also shown as abusive, and S1 Steve got his ass kicked by Jonathan. Then in S3 when Steve was more turned into a good guy, he was supportive of his lesbian bestie's sexuality. Their protagonist Mike would never be written as homophobic.).

I think bc of Finn's mutual acceptance interview, most dedicated fans think Mike's gonna find out and then gently no-homo Will, and then Will's gonna get some new bf while Mike stays with El and supports Will's new relationship. but that also leaves many holes in the story. If Mike and El already aren't talking right now, how is Mlvn's relationship going to be fixed when Mike finds out that the words that pushed Mike to confess his "love" finally, after a whole season of struggle, aren't from El at all? That she never said anything about him being the heart that inspires everyone? How is Mike going to be okay with that? And how is El going to deal with the fact that Max died like 5 minutes after Mike confessed his love, so those two events are forever going to be linked for her?

real question here, is there any possible other option that I haven't covered in this post? any resolution to the painting storyline that doesn't involve Byler endgame? bc as long as they both stay alive, I can't see any other options right now other than Will and Mike ending up together. and this is just considering the painting plot. and not even counting all the other Byler evidence, especially the last scene when El leaves Mike behind to stand on her own while Mike stays with Will.

in conclusion, Byler endgame secured.

Hi anon, thank you so much for this ask. I love talking about the painting.

I agree with you. At first, when I was blinded by my emotions, I thought they wouldn't bring back the painting because they didn't mention it again. So I thought that it had served its purpose, and that was it. But then I realized it didn't make sense that they would end it like that. They couldn't let Mike and Will's relationship with a big lie between them. And, of course, Will's arc wasn't complete because it was about telling the truth about his feelings.

So it was evident that the truth had to come out. And yes, we have two resolutions: Mike will reciprocate, or he won't. Literally, that's the only two options that we have. And I know most of the GA thinks the second option is what will happen, but it doesn't make sense if you think about it. Because if that's the case, what was the purpose of the painting? To fix their friendship? Not at all, because they're already best friends, and they didn't need the painting to reconcile. To fix Milvn? No way, they won't fix a relationship with a lie. To reveal Will's feelings for Mike, and then he can move on? That's why they think, but if this was the case, they wouldn't have complicated the plot a lot. And like you said, it's also impacted Mike and El's relationship because, thanks to it, Mike said: "I love you". Of course, there have to be consequences for them too.

When you see the painting's plotline retrospectively, you can notice its purpose was to develop Mike and Will's relationship. It was the thing that generated tension between them in the airport. Then that tension exploded, and they fought. They made up, and Will decided to bring the painting with him. He finally gave it to him, but with a lie. So this isn't over yet. And if it was to develop them, and they finished the season being closer and best friends, but it hasn't served its main purpose yet, what the next logical step in their story is? They're getting together.

And like you said, anon, this is just one proof (the biggest evidence), but when you look deeper into their character's arcs, how they have been contrasting mlvn and byler, all the parallels with other relationships... In general, how they have written and told their story using basic film theory, you can see that we definitely got their endgame secured.

#byler #i loooove talking about my favorite byler proof #thanks for the ask <3333 #you also made so many valid points

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dd400 · 2 years

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Very long post.

So, you're telling me this all was queerbaiting and bad script? Ok, let’s assume.

I’ve noticed this special friendship of Mike and Will from the very beginning. From the first scene I knew already that I liked this couple and I wanted them to be romantic. But further I was absolutely sure that I watch completely standard story about boy meets girl etc, that I’ve watched many times. Therefore I didn't have a single doubt that Mike and El will be that standard couple. I didn’t come in social network to read fans opinions, I even didn’t know about existing the word “byler”, I didn’t watch the interviews with creators, I didn’t look for the deep meaning in the series, though I really loved it, rewatched it a few times, but I considered it just sci-fi show with horror and drama and comedy and whatever, I didn’t think about some hidden hints. And Mike-El relationship was actually cute in S1 and 2, I didn’t notice any tricks. But then came out the S3, and their relationship became something horrible. I really sincerely wanted to Milkvan the happy ending. But in the very first episode of S3 – what was that anyway? It doesn’t look at all like Mike wanted to stay longer with El, when she told him “I wish you were still here”. He was hurrying to go to the movie with his friends. I watched this scene from absolutely heterosexual point of view, not even thinking that he might be gay or might be in love with someone else. I just didn’t understand, what was this? And after they gave us an indistinct explanation like “I was jealous and wanted you all to myself”. It explained his conflict with Max, but it didn’t explain his behavior in 3x1. Ok, I’d just swallowed it and forgot about it. I decided to close my eyes to what happened in the last episode of S3: this kiss and weird Mike, I decided “whatever, I don’t understand what’s happening and I don’t care”. I’m not that person who think too much about the tv series. And now, came out S4, and I already forgot about all those weird things in S3, but now there are them again – and again some ABSOLUTELY INDISTINCT explanation: “I was afraid to lose you, so I couldn’t tell I love you”. What?? Ok, let’s say, Duffers don’t give a sht about Mike, Finn doesn’t give a sht about Mike, and I can forget about this misunderstanding again.

After watching the Vol.1 of S4 it became obvious that Will is in love with Mike, and I was sure it’s unrequited. But I'm left with the feeling that there's something wrong with this whole story. So I went to twitter to read what fans write about ST. And there I came across the post about byler, and then I had read some thoughts, then I went to tumblr and realized how many details I’ve missed because I never watched attentively. And then I started to rewatch the whole series, and in the past month I watched all the seasons twice. And I clearly saw that these details – they’re actually there, maybe not all of them, but the most, it’s not the fan imagination. And now you tell me it’s queerbaiting? But, see, I didn’t even notice these hints, if I’d never read tumblr posts. I saw only unrequited Will's love, awfully written love story of Milkvan, and, maybe, bad actor play by Finn (?). I saw the queerbaiting in Sherlock, klance (and I didn’t see a potential of klance canon), Teen Wolf, different anime; I didn’t watch the Supernatural, but I heard what happened there. Queerbaiting puts two guys side by side, makes cute scenes with them, screaming about their bisexuality. Queerbaiting assumes these hints are VISIBLE. But here in ST I did not notice anything. But now I see these hints – handpicked soundtracks, opened closets, constant comparison of relationships Mike+El and Mike+Will, their common and their contrast in the same time. However, these hints are not fcking noticeable. If this is queerbaiting, then too much effort has been put into it and into hide it.

Separately, I want to talk about Mike’s confession in Vol.2. Everything he said – it’s the repeating all that he had once said to Will! “Remember that day we met”, “I’m afraid to lose you”. If it’s queerbaiting, this is the most terrible, absolutely senseless and merciless.

Even if I forget about all that hinting, and be just casual viewer like I was earlier, I want to say – all milkven story since S3 is such a nonsense. I like the stories of Joyce and Hopper, Nancy and Johnathan, Nancy and Steve, Max and Lucas, but THIS – what is this??? I don’t believe not in ONE scene with Milkyway, it all looks FAKE.

And if we assume that Milkyvan – is actually bad script, then queerbaiting makes things even worse – it turns out that their relationship is total bullsht and it is entirely built on this queerbaiting and love triangle. I mean, it turns out Duffers are so dumb that are not able to write proper relationship development of Mike and El, but they decided to put their efforts to subtlest queerbaiting.

So, now you tell me, Milkvan – is true love and in S5 Mike and El will finally start normally TALKING to each other, and maybe even Mike finally start kissing her like he WANTS to kiss her, not like he just LETS her doing this? Or we have to admit that Finn is just not able to show romantic interest in Millie? Ok. Let’s see.

What I want to say, this puzzle will be gathered, if they’re doing byler endgame. And can we now unplug our disappointment about unrealized dreams and think? We didn’t know for sure about Will’s feelings in previous season. But we see it now, and still it is not said out loud on the screen. Why we even had hope that Mike’s feelings will be opened up too in this season? I still see a very slow burn. We knew that Mike loves El, whatever love this is. We knew that he cares about her very much, she means for him very much, he adores her, really. And i see Mike is trying to hold on to El, like his lifebuoy. That scene with the confession was terrible. I wanted to turn away because it was so painful. Will was standing next to him and hearing this. I felt like I’m dying. But I kept thinking and realizing that it was like he was talking all this to his friend who standed behind him, because he already said once this to him, and if my feeling is right, then it was painful not only for Will, but for Mike too, and I felt like he yelled it in desperation, but it was just not the whole truth.

With these thoughts and confused feelings I stay now in emptiness and delusion. So try to convince me, that it’s bad script and queerbaiting.

#Sorry for my bad English I hope the blood doesn’t flow from your eyes #byler #stranger things #byler is endgame #long post

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