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starry-eyed-steve · 12 days

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Okay, so normally, I scroll past any ridiculous Steve takes, especially when it comes to death theories or theories about s5 in general. However, I just saw such a bad take that it actually made me angry, I need to make my own post. (Warning, this gets a bit petty towards the end)

Basically, the OP claimed Steve needs to die in s5 for the following reasons:

He has nothing going on in his life. He works a minimum wage job and is stuck in his hometown

He only has Robin and the kids, nothing else

It would not be satisfying if he lived

Steve can't grow more as a character because he already had too much development, so it would be better to end it there

He's only useful for protecting the group and nothing else

His death would be great for other characters because if he scarifices himself, the others are then able to go out in the world, live their lives, and do great things

Okay, that's a lot to unpack here, and I'm kinda speechless people really have such a low opinion about him.

First of all, saying Steve has nothing going on because he works a minimum wage job and doesn't have a concrete plan for the future is such a weird thing to say. He has a job, and even if it's not the best paid one, he still has an income. It's not like he's has nothing to do after he graduated (which he did the first time). If you think Steve needs to have it all figured out by 19 in order to be allowed to live, kindly fuck off. Almost no character has a concrete plan for the future. We never see Robin talk about her plans as well. Besides Nancy wanting to go to Emerson, we don't really know anything about the other characters' plans. The idea that minimum wage jobs are considered as something not worth pursuing or that your life must suck if you have them reeks of privilege. Not everyone can or wants to get a college degree. The people who work in customer service or have manual labor jobs are very valuable members of society, and to imply just because Steve has a minimum wage job working at a video store, so he better dies, is a horrible take. But also again, he is 19 (!!!) and should be allowed to have opportunities to figure out his plans for the future. Plus, he explicitly told us his end goal, he wants a loving partner and kids, and that's reason enough to keep going. (Even if he wouldn't have this goal or plan, he deserves time to figure things out, seeing as he lived his life in survival mode for the past 4 years.)

I also really don't get the second point. What is wrong about Steve having a real friend and a group of people he cares about? Shouldn't that be reason enough for him to keep living? Shouldn't having friends who you care about and who care about you automatically count as something that is enough. Besides, again, he also has a job, likes to go on dates, and it's implied he's still into sports.

The other characters also have each other. They hang out all the time to play their dnd games. Jonathan only has one friend (who now isn't even in the show anymore) and a gf. Nancy barely has any friends as well, besides her bf, who wants to slow mo break up with her. Should they die because they only have like 2 people they are close with? Or is it different because they want to go to college and do well in school, which is the only good purpose characters are allowed to have in order to be deemed worthy of living?

Imo it wouldn't be satisfying if Steve would die after everything he has been through. The show beats him to a pulp every season. He was tortured, maimed, and he sacrificed already so much for the group. He has the most physical trauma, besides Hopper. Even if the show doesn't address it, it's still there. (I hate it sm, but also I blame mostly on limited time that almost no character gets to explore their trauma.) It would be such a disservice to his character if he went through all of that for nothing. What kinda message is that? Killing off the character who is the most hopeful despite everything he went through is not satisfying. None of the main characters' deaths would feel satisfying after going through the horrors like that. (Besides Murray because fuck him)

If you think a character or person can only grow so much until they reach some arbitrary point where they are the perfect version of themselves, you're pretty naive. Nobody stops growing. Even if someone goes through growth, you don't stop your whole life. Maybe start rooting for an arc for Steve, where he gets even better. Where he gets to figure things out, where he becomes a better version of himself. You wouldn't say this to any other character. Just because his growth arc was more noticeable doesn't mean all your other faves didn't grow. Do you want them to stop living because they made choices to be a better person?

You're really underestimating Steve's relationship to the group if you think he's nothing more than a punching bag to them. How can you watch the show and really think this. He's Robins best friend, he helps her grow and be comfortable. He's Dustin's older brother figure. He gives him comfort, and he will most likely help him in s5 with his grief over Eddie. Even with Max, he functions as a brother figure, especially in contrast to her stepbrother. Yes, his primary role in the group is fighter and protector, but he is more than that. He's a friend and important to so many characters.

I think the last point was the thing that made me angry the most. All those other takes I've seen time and time again, but this last one is just disgusting. First of all again to imply that Steve can't do great things because he doesn't have a career plan at 19, which is just gross. And then if you also think the other characters would be so appreciative of this as if they don't give a fuck about Steve. Like Robin and Dustin would be devastated, how much of his death would affect them and their plans to do amazing things? They would be severely depressed and untreated (lets be real mental health issues were not taken super seriously up until recently) they will live with those impacts for the rest of their lives. Trust me I know how terrible depression is and how it fucks with your life plans. Maybe some characters who are not super close to him might use his death for motivation and to achieve those "great" things. But for most parts, his death would have a negative influence on them, on top of the trauma they already endured. If you think his death would only benefit the group, you're underestimating his impact on people. Like Dustin already has a hard time getting over Eddie, Robin would lose the only person who completely understands her, Max would lose another brother figure and a chance to bond with him more. Nancy would lose yet another person who was close to her. How many people should she lose until she snaps completely? But again, it's the implication that Steve's life is worthless because he doesn't go to college or has a shitty job or only has a few friends, that gets me. His life is worth less than other characters' lives because they seemingly have things figured out because they are (book) smarter than him. And btw Steve has a dream for the future, he wants a family and peace, he wants to be a better parent than his own parents were, and if you think that's meaningless or less great, then fuck you!

With those points and logic, Jonathan should also be a contender for character death in s5 as well. He doesn't have a job, he gets high with his only friend who won't be there in s5, he didn't apply for his dream university, he's about to break up with his gf. Jonathan only has his family and barely any growth over the seasons. He is a very stale character. In other words, according to those points made by OP, he has nothing going on and should sacrifice his life for the group as some form of character development.

Or Robin should also die in s5 according to those points. After all, all she has going on for her is a minimum wage job she works with her best friend, school, and a so far miserable love life. We don't know any of her future plans so fuck her I guess. She better sacrifice herself for the group. Or is she allowed to live because she's smarter than Steve (which is a pretty ableist thing to say) and gets to embark on a romantic journey next season?

To sum it up, stop saying Steve has to die because you think his life is meaningless because he's a teenager who hasn't things figured out. Stop saying shit along the lines that Steve isn't smart enough to get to have a life. Stop implying that intelligence is the most valuable thing a person can have and anyone who might lack it is deemed as less worthy of living. Stop saying Steve can't do amazing things if he doesn't go to college and therefore shouldn't be allowed to live. And stop deeming Steve's dream of a family as less meaningful (or meaningless) than academic/career successes. He deserves to live like every other character in the show.

#i'm sorry for being so angry and petty about this #i just can't stand those takes anymore #just say you hate steve and go #and maybe stop putting that shit in the tags and disguise it as s5 speculation #sandra says stuff #if anyone has thoughts about it i'm happy to discuss it with you #steve harrington #stranger things #stranger things steve #stranger things discussion

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cringengl · 1 year

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Vecna, Will Byers and the importance of family in Stranger Things

We all know that family is important in Stranger Things, so much time is spent on giving El a family, which is juxtaposed to her 'family' at the lab. The reason the name "Papa" is so chilling is because it's an affectionate term that is being used for an abuser. Found family is especially important, not only shown through El, but Steve as whilst he might have started becoming a better person at the end of s1, his character development is truly shown through characters such as Dustin and Robin.

So what does this mean for Will and Vecna??

We all know of the parallels/similarities between Vecna and Will, such as them both being described as "sensitive", their mindflayer drawings, their connection to the UD as well as just looking similar. Although some believe that these similarities may be hinting towards a villain arc for Will in s5, I believe the opposite. This is because of the big glaring difference between the two characters- their family.

The Byers and the Creels are the complete opposite.

Joyce is a single mother, Jonathan is described in s1 (and in Stranger Things Puzzle Tales) as a "Lonley Freak", whereas Will is bullied for being gay (even if he hasn't come out), even Lonnie is shown to be living in a run down house with a young girlfriend. The Byers therefore are almost the opposite of a picture perfect family. Despite this the Byers are a loving family, who are always there for eachother. There are so many examples if this that I'm bound to miss a great one, but Joyce and Jonathan doing everything possible to get Will back safe despite being told he was dead, Jonathan and Will building Castle Byers and how Jonathan is always there for Will, the stories Jonathan and Joyce tell Will to stop his possession and Jonathan telling Will that he'll always love him in s4. Therefore, whilst the Byers don't look like an ordinary family, they love eachother like a family should.

The Creels are a picture perfect family. Their big house seems perfect, they have parents that are together with two children, everyone is dressed in nice clothes, it's the perfect example of the nuclear family. However, during Vecna's monologue, he says that the reason he hated his family was because they were awful people hiding behind a front, such as Victor making that awful mistake during the war but pretending to be a normal father. Vecna despises people conform, put on a facade, lie and so he is now trying to gain power to change the world, for what he thinks is for the better.

Whilst the Creels may have been living a lie, the Byers have not. Will has constantly shown himself to be truthful.

He can't lie to Mike about what he rolled in s1 ep1.

He is bullied for wearing bright clothes, but us not deterred from it (showing that he is being his true self).

Will, Mike, Dustin and Lucas are true to their nerdiness by dressing up for Halloween.

Will doesn't care for the expectations of growing up and doesn't try to conform to them in s3 by being the only one who still wants to play DnD instead of getting older.

Will even says to El that Mike doesn't like it when people lie to him, insinuating that Will doesn't lie to Mike at all.

(This is why the painting is going to be such a big deal in s5, because it's the first time that we really see Will lie)

But what does the difference between Will and Vecna's family mean for s5??

Since family plays such a big role in Stranger Things as well as themes like lying and conformity I feel that Will is going to be almost a mirror image to Vecna, in that they may be similar, but that doesn't mean that they are destined to go down a certain path. Vecna may point out all the injustices that Will has had to face and say "join me to create a better world since we are so alike", but with the love from his new found family, the Hopper Byers, Vecna will be defeated mainly by (and most likely by) Will and El.

Because El's storyline is also about family, I believe that is also what will fuel her to defeat Vecna.

Will and El therefore show how important family is and the support of the found family within Stranger Things may be the key to defeating Vecna, someone who never got to experience this.

WILL'S POWER IS HIS HEART

#although many people have interpreted the wills power is his heart line as a byler thing #and as a byler i 100% agree #mike was wills friend first #mike isnt the only important person in wills life #the rest of his friends and his family r also probably a part of his heart #byler #stranger things #will byers #hopper byers family #vecna #vecna/henry/one

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enluv · 3 years

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they clumsily reveal your relationship

— enhypen hyung line x fem!reader

warnings: none! all fluff :)

◜heeseung◞

he forgets to turn off vlive 😬

Heeseung is smart, and yes I say that a lot but it's because he really is. I don't think he'd even register that he didn't turn off Vlive like he'd be like "okay bye!" then shut off his phone and that's when you walk in and hand him some snacks and maybe even tell him how well the live went. Right as he's going to pull you into his arms the door is flung open and a staff is whisper yelling that the vlive is still on. Poor boy literally freezes and just turns to his camera slowly opening back up his phone to turn off vlive (he checks it thrice to make sure it's off). I think it's safe to say that he trends for a while that night till the next and even though people don't see you, they just know that you're his significant other.

◜jay◞

flashes your contact name on live 😐

Jay is scheduled to have a vlive in the morning but since he can't sleep, he asks the staff if he can do it the night before rather and without hesitation they agreed (this is one of their biggest regrets to date). Normally Jay keeps his phone on dnd and just chills with engenes but he really does not anticipate a call from you so he leaves it off and while he's showing off a picture he'd taken earlier that day, your call comes in, flashing thousands of people his contact name for you, "y/n ❤" (a lil basic but it gets the point across). Not even going to lie...Jay just pretends it didn't happen. No seriously he slides it away and goes back to showing his pictures. Of course internally he is freaking the frick out but he knows that if he plays this off right, then it'll be okay.

◜jake◞

admits it on weekly idol 🤥

Weekly idol is known as one of the funniest shows an idol can appear on. It's host know exactly how to get idols to let loose and spill all the piping hot tea on their fellow members, and it never fails without a doubt. This time around their targets are none other than new boy group Enhypen's hyung line and it seems that the tactis worked because here is Jake Sim, confessing on record that he does in fact have a significant other whom he loves very much. Now that really shuts everyone up, and Jake doesn't realize his mistake until it's too late and the hosts are trying to get more facts, ones he's not ready to give. It's safe to say the segments cut out but anyone who's anyone knows about your now semi-public relationship.

◜sunghoon◞

posts your date pictures to weverse 😔

Sunghoon is one of the few members who is consistent with Weverse posts and most of the time it's a cute little selca or a fit post. Well not this time! Having your boyfriends notifications on was a must in his books (you're not sure why when he literally sends you the pictures right before posting asking if he should post them 💀) so when you'd gotten the "Sunghoon has shared a moment" notification let's just say you were definitely not expecting to see your face plastered along with his in a cute cheek kissing pose. Sunghoon deletes it immediately but the damage is done and fans are speculating who you could be. Not going to lie, it's a bit of a mess but things calm down when he addresses it on a radio show the next week, he tells the fans that you're a close friend (with your approval of course) and not to worry about it much. He'll continue to answer questions about you here and there and fans speculate but let it be, because as long as he's happy so are they!

coco's note: this posted by accident last time and I freaked out omfg but anyways here it is <3 hoon's is a lil iffy since I wasn't sure where to go with it but enjoy!

#enhypen heeseung #enhypen jay #enhypen jake #enhypen sunghoon #enhypen fluff #enhypen imagines #enhypen scenarios #enhypen x you #enhypen x female reader #enhypen hyung line #enhypen headcanons #enhypen jay imagines #enhypen jake x reader #heeseung enhypen #enhypen

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