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#amane voting discourse
sunlit-haruka · 6 months
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Okay listen I don't want Amane to be unforgiven, at all, and even though I'm pretty confident her verdict will turn up as forgiven given how the votes have gone I am aware there is a sliver chance that she could barely get into unforgiven, and that scares me That being said however, the one positive that would come from her being unforgiven would be seeing Jackalope's reaction because could you fucking imagine "Oh, you didn't forgive her because you thought you could change her worldview? Tough luck with that" [One Trial Later] "Are you actually fucking kidding me, say sike right fucking now."
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oboetemasuka · 6 months
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*gasp* Magic hour is still real. I can breathe now.
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The trend lines say she'll survive by a thin margin. My intuition says not if the pit-to-pit differences don't decrease. (But if they do decrease, then the jumps also decrease.) In either case, it's going to be close.
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dearmahiru · 9 months
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i am excited for purge march but i'm also dreading it at the same time. all of the faceless victims have been revealed thus far and considering amane's victims is another child... if milgram continues the trend of being shocking last minute and decides to outright depict amane's murder i am going so mad. we all know the casual fanbase cannot handle shocking imagery without immediately labeling said prisoner as evil
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1moremilgram-enjoyer · 7 months
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CW: Doxxing and murder
One of my favorite details about Bring it On is that in this scene when Fuuta stands in front of Killcheroy’s castle:
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He’s wearing his regular clothes, because unlike all his other “attacks” which were mostly online, he physically went to Killcheroy’s house as we know from Undercover.
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And so that’s why the UI is all wonky, the “game world” Fuuta sees internet discourse as is bleeding into reality, starting to have very physical consequences. I just think it’s neat.
And it also gets me thinking of another prisoner whose “fantasy world” very jarringly mixes with reality.
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0308 friendship real. If you wanna see them thrive you should vote Amane innocent yes this is propaganda vote her inno please-
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purgemarchlockdown · 5 months
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...the more I think about it the more I actually do get bothered with the Amane voting discourse on the end of the guilty voters.
Not even cause their voting guilty. Like- I don't care too much about that really, vote how you want and stuff, but how...accusatory a lot of them can get.
Not to heavily generalize a group of people, but one of the reasons why I didn't talk about it too much was cause I'd go into the tag and see another complaint about Inno Amane voters being on their moral high horse and being unnecessarily aggressive.
It's why I try my best whenever I talk about it to be clear I don't think guilty voters are bad people or anything. I'm not going to base someone's sense of morality on what they vote on the interactive anime mv series, I just won't.
However...I am starting to get bothered about how defensive and even hypocritical a lot of the discourse can get on the guilty voters side.
Firstly: A big argument I tend to see get thrown around is that "she can actually hurt people stop treating her like she's harmless" which...yes, from what I've seen a lot of inno voters (Including me!) agree with that and just find that:
1. There's an exaggeration of the actual danger and the security of a guilty verdict.
and 2. Find that there's a double standard here, where Amane is being treated as more dangerous even though other characters are equally, if not more so, than her.
(A Lot of these people point out that she killed an adult and I'd like to point that it's Highly Likely she used the Taser, or uh stun gun actually and that the attack had the element of surprise, two things that are not present in T2.)
Second thing: Positioning yourself as more reasonable than inno voters because unlike them your looking at the issue objectively and without attacking people...is a moral high horse! That's literally the definition of a moral high horse!
If I'm on a moral high horse for pointing out that her situation with the audience uncomfortably parallels with her abusive situation then guilty voters Should Also Be Considered To Be on a moral high house for believing that I'm downplaying the amount of danger I'm putting the prisoner in by doing so!
It's not like both points are bad anyway! If someone presented me with information that Amane could genuinely hurt someone in a way much worse than I anticipated then I'll accept that. I'm voting her inno Knowing about the possible danger. Not blindly believing she's harmless (which a lot of these guilty voters say inno voters are doing!)
Third thing: Sorry I will actually be Really pretentious here. Throw tomatoes at me now- How come when we reach the 12 year old abused child that's when people start acting like Milgram ISNT commentating on social issues?
I swear this is a thing- when we reach Amane people start talking about how the inno voters are taking it too seriously or are being too aggressive or again, are on their moral high horse when half the time its...engaging with the themes. Yamanaka said in an interview he wanted to make the audience be apart of the story and everything!
The Interview in Question:
Yamanaka: That's a difficult question... I'm always conscious of emotional control in my work, but in “MILGRAM”, the content has more live feeling to it. So the story progresses realistically based on the presence of the audience. I think I used a different brain than I have been using to create works up until now, I see it as necessary to think very three-dimensionally. I'm currently trying to turn the audience into characters in my work.
It's like pointing out the uncomfortable themes in her story when your an inno voter is the same as calling yourself "smarter" than guilty voters. Which is Weird when those themes Are such a big part of her story.
Or, alternatively, somehow, pointing out those themes means your disrespecting Amane since she didn't want to be treated like a child even though, again, those themes are such a major part of her story!
I was really trying to engage with this in good faith and now I'm fucking pissed that I spent a month worrying about being too aggressive and mean without realizing that a lot of the guilty voters I was hearing this from were doing the Same Fucking Thing!
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gunsli-01 · 1 year
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Hear me out Milgram fans are full of contradictions. From the well all we can do is vote to even if I did abstain from voting other people will just vote anyhow prisoner dilemma. Despite fandom unionization quite literally being an option even if it's significantly difficult to achieve it's still very much possible and it would be funny to see what happens if the fandom just pushes forth the agenda to not vote on one specific character this round and sticks to it. Can you tell i'm a bit chaotic from that last point cause I can.
Then we've got points like objectively the prisoners are all bad, wrong is wrong to okay wrong is still wrong except when found subjectively sexy or funny then it's fine actually no I will not think critically on this brain off. It's not that serious/deep chill and just have fun to if you hate x prisoner you're actually just a bad person lol. They're all neurodivergent and not taking that into account is a form of ableism even if it's not technically confirmed going into being neurodivergent does not mean accountability for one's actions can be avoided actually that's just the same issue in reverse. Wait what do you mean this contradicts several defenses I've given other characters and I can't just pick and choose when neurodivergencies should be taken into consideration based on how much I like the character or not ha, ha funny.
Like honestly it would be great to actually get together as a fandom and agree to not vote on Amane at all just to see what happens. Or any other character who's not too controversial I just chose Amane because I haven't really seen any discourse around her. However, it's really difficult to think objectively when things are being taken so personally at times.
The fact that people are getting so heated means the social experiment aspect is working but that may reflect poorly on the people involved as a whole at this point. Yet honestly it's doesn't escape me that attempting something like that is a big ask. Just spreading that sort of plan around in the first place would be difficult in and of itself. Given the diversity of the fandom even if it's not that large yet most people in it speak completely different languages. A good chunk of fans aren't bilingual. This throws a considerable wrench in communication when it comes to longterm planning and collaborative efforts.
Still, it's not like it wouldn't be fun to try. Like if the prisoners are rebelling against milgram in their own ways what's stopping the fanbase from doing the same? We're probably in a more comfortable position to do so as well since we can't be punished for it. The other thing stopping this from happening is the fact that right now we're all focused on fighting each other more than the system. Which is a very easy way for all sides to lose actually.
These contradictions aren't bad in and of themselves they're just variations in opinion but I feel like in this case when people go to extremes over things as small as liking or disliking a character they become blinded to the actual issue. That being we're all worried for the safety of characters we care about due to the harshness of a system we have very little control over.
At least in the original experiment they told you what the voltage outcome of the button press was but we're just gambling at this point with a vague explaination of what our input will do with other factors attatched on. That for all we know will just keep growing.
It's really reflective of real life. We're all so focused on survival that we've ultimately misplaced blame on others within the fandom who don't agree with our specific views. Turning into factions fighting eachother when literally no one would be at risk if Milgram didn't bring them here. Especially since it's heavily implied most of them weren't even caught by the actual police for their crimes cause some of them imply they were taken from their homes and Milgram itself has no relation to the justice system. So, getting called out by the characters for these collective judgements seems really fair given the fact that we have a plethora of choices but we're just blindly following the stated rules.
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Purpose of Media and                        Information Literacy
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The increasingly complex view of media and information, which plays a major role in our daily lives, is rapidly changing.  It is constantly changing the way we communicate, empower and challenge human rights, freedom of expression, universal access to information, peace building, sustainable development, and intercultural dialogue. People around the world are becoming content creators with a mindset of global citizenship participation in social issues, and not just a passive public acting as spectator and occasional voting constituency. In many countries, the sources of information that until now have been difficult to access, are today limited only by our ability to absorb vast amounts of rapidly transmitted information. 
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This comes with challenges. It is difficult for people to determine what credible information is amidst the proliferation. It is sometimes unclear about how to respond, share and/or comment. How individuals and collectives can provide fresh content to the growing stock of shared knowledge is not always clear. Thus, media and information literacy (MIL) competencies are becoming increasingly important – a necessary response in this media and information landscape.
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 This is especially relevant today, as the world is witnessing an unprecedented increase of polarization, hate speech, radicalization and extremism taking place both offline and online. Often embedded in a “discourse of fear”, it challenges human rights and disrupts human solidarity.
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MIL is a powerful tool, cutting across educational, cultural and social contexts. It can help overcome the disinformation, stereotypes and intolerance transmitted through some media and in online spaces. Here, stimulating critical empathy is one of the key components and there are many stakeholders that have a role to play in this dimension of MIL.
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-Aman, Fatima Salmeron Harfeil
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kerahlekung · 5 years
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Belajaq cara Cina berniaga bukan BMF...
Belajaq cara Cina berniaga bukan BMF....
Story kat sini...
Genting dilaporkan akan jual kepal Equanimity milik rakyat Malaysia melalui penipuan Jhow Low dengan keuntungan sebanyak US$74 juta. Genting membeli kapal itu daripada kerajaan dengan harga AS$126 juta, dan katanya ia ditawar untuk dibeli dengan harga US$200 juta. Jadi untung atas angin bagi Genting sebanyak US$74 juta. US$74 juta dalam tempoh enam bulan. Selepas membelinya Genting menamakan kapal itu sebagai Tranquility ia diberi sewa dengan kadar US$1.2 juta seminggu. Genting sudah memiliki kapal itu selama enam bulan, bayangkan berapa dikutip oleh Genting dalam tempoh itu. Persoalannya kenapa tidak ada mana-mana pihak untuk menguruskan kapal itu seperti mana dilakukan Genting. Siapa bertanggungjawab dan memberi idea agar ia dijual? Apakah disini tidak ada permainan kongkalikong atau songlap menyonglap. Nampak sangat akan "penipuan" dan kelicitannya dan kebodohan?  Dalam sudut lain wahai orang Melayu khasnya yang melancarkan kempen BMF, perhati dan belajarlah berniaga daripada orang Cina, kerja mudah untung besar. Baru dah dapat dua tiga buah negeri mendabik dada setinggi gunung kaf. - mso
Pemimpin veteran DAP Lim Kit Siang memberi amaran bahawa usaha untuk membubarkan kerajaan Pakatan Harapan pasti akan menyebabkan kleptokrat dan individu korup lain melepaskan diri daripada diadili di mahkamah. Pada ucapan yang disampaikan di Bintulu, Sarawak malam tadi, Lim berkata matlamat Wawasan 2020 untuk menjadikan Malaysia negara maju tidak dapat dicapai pada tempoh yang dirancang sebelum ini.
Jelasnya, dalam usaha untuk menggerakkan Malaysia ke arah kemajuan rakyat perlu memastikan bahawa kleptokrat pada masa lalu perlu diadili supaya Malaysia boleh "menjadi negara peneraju integriti." "Inilah sebab penting kenapa pihak yang mahukan kehidupan yang lebih baik di masa hadapan untuk semua rakyat Malaysia, tanpa mengira bangsa, agama atau wilayah, perlu bersatu supaya memastikan perang terhadap kleptokrasi dan rasuah diteruskan bagi mencapai matlamatnya yang munasabah. "Ini hanya dapat dicapai jika kerajaan PH tetap utuh, tegas dan komited untuk mencapai matlamat sebuah negara yang bersatu, adil, demokratik, harmoni dan tidak korup," kata Lim, menurut satu salinan ucapannya yang disediakan kepada akhbar hari ini.
Petualang2...
Lim berkata Malaysia mesti berada di peringkat teratas 30 negara di dunia dari segi integriti dalam jangka masa satu dekad dan mendesak semua pihak untuk bekerja sama ke arah matlamat ini. "Saya tahu ramai rakyat Malaysia yang bertanya mengapa bekas perdana menteri, Najib Razak, yang ditanggapi di seluruh dunia sebagai kleptokrasi global, belum lagi dipenjarakan. "Bagaimanapun, kita mesti konsisten mahu memulihkan kedaulatan undang-undang dan rakyat Malaysia mesti menerima proses undang-undang yang wajar mengambil masa," katanya.
Geng Kartel...
Pada Selasa, Pemimpin tertinggi empat parti gabungan PH mengeluarkan kenyataan menuduh Naib Presiden Umno Hishammuddin Hussein berkomplot membentuk kerajaan baru tanpa DAP dan Amanah. Pemimpin PH pula mendakwa pembangkang yang terlibat dalam komplot itu sedang berdepan kemungkinan akan didakwa. Hishammuddin telah menafikan dakwaan tersebut walaupun pelbagai sumber memberitahu Malaysiakini MP Sembrong serta dua tokoh Bersatu dan pemimpin PKR terlibat dalam usaha yang dikatakan itu. - mk
Hikayat si anjing kurap...
Din lupa ke dulu. Bila Din gaduh dengan Najib Razak dan pemimpin umno. Din datang melutut kat kaki pemimpin PKR. Dulu Din hina keluarga Anwar Ibrahim. Macam macam Din fitnah Anwar Ibrahim. Dengan muka tak malu Din jumpa Datuk Seri Wan Azizah dan anak anak dia. Wan Azizah dan anak anak maafkan Din. Din pegi mahkamah dengan Azmin Semburit mengiringi Tun Mahathir. Din salam cium tangan Anwar Ibrahim. Din mintak maaf dengan Anwar Ibrahim. Din janji akan berperangai baik dan tak akan fitnah Anwar Ibrahim. Dan Din juga pernah kata. Kalau betul PH menang pru14. Lepas Tun Mahathir jadi pm ke 7. Anwar Ibrahim orang yang paling layak menganti Tun Mahathir. Kempen kempen politik sebelum pru14. Din pernah kata Anwar Ibrahim terbaik. Anwar Ibrahim sepepu din. Din sanggup duduk dalam penjara sebelah Anwar Ibrahim. Ramai yang percaya ceramah din masa tu. Termasuklah aku nama aku din jugak orang panggil.
Kononya keluar dari PPBM nak tumpu kes mahkamah. Kalau betul nak tumpu kes mahkamah. Kenapa dalam masa yang sama masuk parti AMANAH.Sumber sumber ceta dari kawan kawan parti PPBM. Khairuddin keluar dari ppbm sebab tak dapat jawatan penting dalam PPBM.  Selepas pru14. PH menang tawan putrajaya. Tun Mahathir jadi perdana menteri. Dan Anwar Ibrahim bebas dengan pengampunan Di pertuan agong. Tak sampai dua tahun pemerintahan kerajaan PH. Tetiba Din berubah. Din serang dan fitnah Anwar Ibrahim. Din kata Anwar tak layak jadi pm. Apa yang keluar dari mulut Anwar. Din akan kecam. Rupa rupanya Din tak berubah. Din tetap Khairuddin Abu Hassan yang dulu seperti anjing kurap. Pembodek penjilat taik tetap ada pada diri Din. Sekarang ni ramai dah tak percaya dengan Din. Satu benda yang aku tak sabar nak tengok. Anwar Ibrahim angkat sumpah jawatan perdana menteri di depan Agong. Apa akan jadi dengan Din. Kau orang jangan terkejut kalau Din mengaku Anwar Ibrahim atok saudara dia.  - mat alishah
To extremists, all roads lead to DAP...
The sustained attacks against DAP is going to have repercussions on the kind of Malaysia young people are going to inherit. Right now, elements within and without the Pakatan Harapan government are creating a narrative that DAP is a “racist” political party out to destabilise Malay political hegemony. This, of course, is nothing new. What is new is that not only has DAP have to contend with its agitated base since gaining federal power, they also have to be mindful of the political structures which want them to become the next MCA. Zakir Naik, the alleged money-launderer, religious whisperer to radicalised youths and currently enabled by Harapan’s religious czar, Mujahid Yusof Rawa, not to mention the prime minister of this country, has the temerity to sue elected representatives. He campaigned for Umno telling the Malay majority to vote for corrupt leaders rather than for non-Muslim leaders who were not corrupt. In my last piece, I wrote about the counter-narrative of Hindu-phobia being crafted to marginalise the low-hanging fruit of the racial discourse in this country, the Indian community. These lawsuits are the second prong in the attack against Indian politicians for speaking truth to power but more importantly, belling the cat when it comes to imported extremism in this country.
DAP veteran Lim Kit Siang does the same when he asks if Malaysia is prepared for the coming Islamic State (IS) storm. The most important quote from his piece is this one, “The violence perpetrated by pro-IS groups in this region has been episodic and uncoordinated, but the underlying trend is clear - the IS has shifted away from its initial concern with sovereignty over land and people, moving, in the process, toward a decentralised, global insurgency model.” In Malaysia, this is especially dangerous because of the narrative that Islam is under threat in this country. Returning Malaysian IS fighters would no doubt find easy pickings in disenfranchised youths who believe the narrative that Islam is under threat in this country and that DAP (for instance) is attempting to subvert Islamic rule. Now, of course, we have this LTTE sham. Think about how dangerous this is. Think about how dangerous this is to DAP politicians, activists and grassroots-level operators who are attempting to reach out to the majority and find themselves soft targets for individuals or groups inspired by the IS lunacy and mainstream narratives claiming that DAP is anti-Islam. However, the grander narrative - the “Chinese narrative” of usurpation of power - is complicated by the internal machinations of Malay power structures. Do not expect this to hamper efforts to stymie whatever reforms are on the table while someone like Zakir Naik keeps telling the majority that it is better to vote for corrupt Muslim leaders than non-Muslims who could actually help reform the system.
Kuala Nerus MP Mohd Khairuddin Aman Razali (PAS)(above) appealing to the rulers to issue a decree not to question the "social contract" while trolling Harapan to expel DAP and asking the state security apparatus to investigate the party, is the slowly coagulating narrative to be used against the Chinese community, specifically targeting the DAP. The fact that academics, activists and politicians have finally found their voice and exposed the "social contract" as the fraud that it is, is an inconvenient truth for the far-right and religious extremists. It would not surprise me that in the coming weeks there are moves to codify this “social contract” with the usual state sanctions against anyone who questions it. Remember that in mainstream Malay politics, the "social contract" is used as a stand-in for the constitution when the reality is that the social contract has nothing to do with the Malaysian constitution. No doubt there will be moves to see this corrected. This is why the PAS MP talks about the racist rhetoric of Malay Dignity Congress organiser Zainal Kling (pix,below) in terms of corresponding to the Malaysian constitution and not an abrogation of its intent - legal and moral. Like I said, what we have are the first tentative steps in an attempt to restrict any attempt to combat racism and bigotry by sanctifying racism and bigotry as instruments of the constitution.
This is exactly what the resolutions of the so-called dignity forum were all about. What these charlatans want to do is make it illegal to question ideas which for years have been the basis of dissent in this country. Ideas propagated by, among others, DAP. The main idea of which is that all Malaysians should be equal under the Malaysian sun. When student activist Wong Yan Ke demonstrates against the "racist" vice-chancellor, what he is doing is really drawing attention to a greater Malaysian problem. What is this greater problem? Well, for me, it is that mainstream political discourse is racist. We have racist politicians who use something like the "social contract" to discourage dissent. This is why these right-wing NGOs attempt to paint Wong as a puppet of DAP. This is why they use their Malay rights as a sword against equality and anti-racism. Yan Ke is just collateral damage in a conflict against egalitarianism in this country. A conflict against equality. And the first target will always be DAP. - Commander (Rtd) S.Thayaparan
Jangan tunjuk kat Menteri Kereta Terbang 
Datuk Seri Mohd Redzuan Md Yusof nanti dia tiru pulak...
cheers.
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oboetemasuka · 5 months
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She went up!!!
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Is this the miracle? Is this the tipping point? Please please please don't let this be a fluke.
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oboetemasuka · 5 months
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Okay, now that we're done celebrating, I have some questions about Amane's voting, both T1 and T2. Heavy questions. I had these on my mind for the last week but didn't want to risk anything by asking these questions before her voting concluded.
How would her T1 voting have been different if she had revealed that her victim was her abuser? I think it would have been more in her favor. My sibling disagrees and thinks it would have been worse for her. What do you think?
If she was injured, would that have affected her vote? (I wasn't there for Fuuta's trial, but for Mahiru's trial... the amount of discourse of voting her guilty made me wonder if her injuries were the biggest factor in her verdict.)
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oboetemasuka · 5 months
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On this episode of "I am normal about Amane graphs", I zoom in really, really close.
From November 16, projected to the end of her voting.
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oboetemasuka · 6 months
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Why I'm voting Amane innocent (short version)
I've been forming this post in my head for a while, but it's just not coming to me.
I'm sure all these points have been talked about before, but it amounts to her circumstances, Shidou, Mahiru, and Fuuta.
The bite-sized stuff:
If nothing else, I do not want to subject Amane to more suffering.
Shidou is aware that Amane is hostile to him. "If it's a test of endurance, I'm happy to oblige." I don't think he'll just sit back and take it. He could get protective gear, lock up his supplies, etc.
Amane would have Mahiru in her family. There's more nuance to this, but I don't think Amane would outright target Mahiru.
I recently reblogged a post about Amane and Fuuta, but other than that... I do believe they are getting along. I believe that Amane genuinely wants to help Fuuta, and she's doing it the way she knows how.
I have more thoughts, but I just needed to get down the basics.
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oboetemasuka · 6 months
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Hi everyone! My birthday is coming up, and I've been hoping for a particular present. On the morning of my birthday, I want to wake up and see this.
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If you can get me this present, I would really, really appreciate it. Thanks!
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oboetemasuka · 5 months
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I cast my last vote for Amane. It feels so surreal.
I voted for her from the beginning. 92 votes cast. And this is it.
First trial I got to see from beginning to end.
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oboetemasuka · 5 months
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Amane's voting ends in 24 hours... My girl is finally getting rest.
(Also, why am I still up? I could catch a premiere like this.)
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oboetemasuka · 6 months
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I'm tired of checking the votes, so I wrote a script to log the votes every 15 minutes. It's too painful to wonder whether Amane will go down and by how much every time I look. 25 minutes of my time may have just saved me so much stress down the line.
I'm logging Mikoto's votes as well, if only to avoid losing data.
(Side note: Amane consistently goes up by .03 to .05% at the "Magic hour", which is 6 hours after voting. That gives me a little bit of hope.)
Thanks to the script, I was able to determine that the opposite of Magic hour (Purge hour?) really is around the voting reset and not while I'm asleep. (At least it has been like this since Double came out.)
If it helps at all, here's the graph from last night. I added the earliest timestamp I had at 52.48 so you could see approximately how long she stayed at it before I ran the script. She dropped to 52.47 while I was testing out the script.
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