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imakemywings · 1 month

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Reading through the Beren and Luthien novel and finished The Tale of Tinuviel last night. Although it differs quite a bit from the final story of Beren and Luthien that makes it into The Silmarillion (Beren is a Noldo in this version!), there are a lot of connections. Some quotes in particular which I enjoyed:

"'Why! wed my Tinuviel fairest of the maidens of the world, and become a prince of the woodland Elves- 'tis but a little boon for a stranger to ask,' quoth Tinwelint [Thingol]. 'Haply I may with right ask somewhat in return. Nothing great shall it be, only a token of thy esteem. Bring me a Silmaril from the Crown of Melko, and that day Tinuviel weds thee, an she will.' Then all in that place knew that the king treated the matter as an uncouth jest, having pity on the Gnome, and they smiled..."

The first exchange between Beren and Tinwelint stands out to me because it echoes the sentiment I got reading "Of Beren and Luthien" for the first time--that is, that Thingol was not seriously asking Beren to return with a Silmaril, but telling him to fuck off. Here it's much more explicit: the court recognizes Tinwelint is viewing Beren's demand for Luthien's hand as a bad joke, and Tinwelint responds in kind.

Beren sees it too, and this is when he gets angry.

"This indeed did Beren know, and he guessed the meaning of their mocking smiles, and aflame with anger he cried; 'Nay, but 'tis too small a gift to the father of so sweet a bride...I Beren, a huntsman of the Noldoli, will fulfill thy small desire,' and with that he burst from the hall while all stood astonished..."

Beren's pride comes up now and again and it's when he perceives he's being laughed at by Tinwelint and his court that he makes his promise to go and get the Silmaril.

"...but Tinuviel wept suddenly. ''Twas ill done, O my father,' she cried, 'to send one to his death with thy sorry jesting - for now methinks he will attempt the deed, being maddened by thy scorn...'"

Luthien also voices the sentiment that it was all intended as a joke, which Beren has decided to take seriously out of wounded pride.

It makes the whole exchange, to me, feel very differently from some interpretations I've seen where Thingol's demand is seen as a genuine request.

There's also this when Beren is first brought before Melko:

"Flattery savoured ever sweet in the nostrils of that Ainu, and for all his unfathomed wisdom many a lie of those whom he despised deceived him, were they clothed sweetly in words of praise."

This seems to fit pretty well with what we see of Melkor in The Silmarillion. He desires to be worshipped as a god, so it fits decently that the best way to lie to him is through praise.

This is also the version where Tevildo, prince of cats, plays the role that eventually goes to Sauron. I don't know how much of Tevildo's character can be said to translate to Sauron, but I thought this was interesting:

"But those who led Beren said: 'Nay, 'twas the word of Melko that this unhappy Elf wear out his life as a catcher of beasts and birds in Tevildo's employ.' Then indeed did Tevildo screech in scorn and said: 'Then in sooth was my lord asleep or his thoughts were settled elsewhere, for what use think ye is a child of the Eldar to aid the Prince of Cats...'"

Sauron talking shit about Melkor tracks.

"Tevildo however, himself a great and skilled liar, was so deeply versed in the lies and subtleties of all the beasts and creatures that he seldom knew whether to believe what was said to him or not, and was wont to disbelieve all things save those he wished to believe true, and so was he often deceived by the more honest."

Tevildo being such a liar that the best way to deceive him is with the truth also feels like it tracks pretty well with Sauron later on. I think it's interesting that both Melko and Tevildo are indicated to be quite intelligent, but their own pride and overconfidence tends to muddle their actual abilities.

"...but Tinuviel had at first much pleasure in her house among the leaves, and would gaze out of her little window while Dairon made his sweetest melodies beneath."

Luthien's attitudes about the events of the story are both far more explicit and somewhat different than in The Silmarillion. Here is where she's been set in the treehouse to prevent her from pursuing Beren in Tevildo's dungeons. Yet apparently she was not very troubled about the situation initially and it wasn't until she had a dream of Beren that she started planning her escape.

She and Beren also live out in the wilds together for a while during the quest, but Luthien grieves her exile from her home and wants to return. That theme comes up a few times when Beren suggests they simply never go back.

As Daeron does in The Silmarillion, Dairon follows Luthien on her escape, but becomes lost from her.

"Yet ere long as Tinuviel went forward a sudden dread overtook her at the thought of what she had dared to do, and what lay before; then did she turn back for a while, and she wept, wishing Dairon were with her, and it is said that indeed he was not far off, but was wandering lost in the great pines..." (emphasis added)

Further emphasis here on the reconciliation between Dairon and Luthien. This is an explicit part of The Silmarillion where Daeron's revealing of Luthien's activities to Thingol is weighed even more heavily and has a much clearer impact on their relationship, but in The Tale of Tinuviel Luthien even continues to think of Dairon after her escape. Both stories, though, make it clear there was no lingering bitterness or anger on Luthien's part and that she still considered Daeron/Dairon a friend and ally.

The story obviously went through a lot of changes between The Tale of Tinuviel and The Silmarillion but it is interesting to see what stuck around and what was left behind, and since The Silmarillion is often characterized by a very economic style, I think it's possible to draw some of the intent out of the additional Legendarium materials.

#beren and luthien #the tale of tinuviel #the silmarillion #beren #luthien #thingol #daeron #tolkien tag #history of middle-earth

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fortuitousraven · 3 years

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Fic Idea

Basic Idea

Mairon never joined Morgoth, but still wants to take a more active hand in fixing Middle-earth. So he leaves Valinor and ends up making a team-up with Melian.

Melian’s Girdle managed to keep out Morgoth+Sauron, I think it’s fair for Melian+Mairon to be effective in keeping Morgoth out of most of Beleriand.

For balance sake, another Maia should have gotten corrupted into Morgoth’s lieutenant, but I think he would have a hard time finding someone as useful to him as Sauron was in canon. Arien like in ‘radiance’ maybe?

I like the idea that Melian would still protect the Elves in Beleriand (but with Mairon’s help she can extend that to more of them outside Doriath), and that Mairon would associate with the Edain fleeing into Beleriand (a nice version of when Sauron declared himself the King of Men).

With the state Middle-earth is in, Mairon wouldn’t have trouble convincing people to follow his lead. Plus he’s more impressive looking than the Noldor leaders the Edain accepted in canon ;). But he'd bump heads a lot with the more independent-minded leaders.

Of course, that position still gives Mairon the same kind of temptations that led to him joining Morgoth in the first place ;). He wants to fix things, and he wants it to be done his way. Just because he didn’t get corrupted, doesn’t mean he’s not the person who could have become Sauron ;). We’d be able to explore Mairon’s of theme of strength against rights from a different angle than in lotr where he’s Dark Lord.

When things get more desperate for them in the war against Morgoth, Mairon could very easily fall into the same ‘ends justify the means’ mindset that went so badly for him as Sauron. Especially if Thingol still gets himself killed and Melian leaves, leaving Mairon to hold down the fort alone. But on the bright side, Mairon would also be in a better place to handle that temptation, since he is already in a position where he can genuinely help like he wants to, and is surrounded by positive influences instead of a corrupting one. I’d have that as the main conflict and character arc.

For the 2nd Age, I think Mairon would definitively be one of the Maiar that gets involved with establishing Númenor. I think he’d at first be enthusiastic that Valinor is also taking a more active hand, and then be upset when it starts not working out. It would be fun when he eventually argues with Valinor over them XD, he'd go “I have a lot of experience with mortals, and treating mortals like this will backfire >:(”. Which, since he’s right, might mean things go better or worse for Númenor ;).

Númenor’s obsession with immortality has nothing directly to do with Sauron, so they are still going to become darkened in this timeline, although their interaction with Middle-earth will go very differently without Mordor and they probably wouldn’t have a reason to try to pick a fight with Mairon. Númenor would probably stay at the level of nasty prior to Tar-Palantir, without getting encouraged into human sacrifice cults and Valinorean invasions.

Mairon would be just as unable to fight Númenor on pure force as in canon, so we might have a reverse of canon where he uses subtlety to manipulate them into better behaviour XD

More character interactions

Mairon still has his wolves of course, but now they are more wolfish wolves and less monster wolves. In general I’m saying that Mairon’s (excellent) aesthetics are still the same when he’s not evil :p

Out of pure author appeal, I say he has his cats too. Tevildo’s cat minions may have been tonally inappropriate to transfer to Sauron, but we are absolutely adding in Miaulë, Oikeroi and Umuiyan as Mairon’s squad of talking cats ;). Maybe they have a squabbling sibling relationship with Draugluin?

Mairon has no personal stake in the Silmarils or the Kinslaying. I think he’d mostly just see the Noldor arrivals besieging Angband as a useful extra boost against Morgoth. The Noldor would probably regard Mairon’s fiefs the same as they do Doriath, and not really get involved with him. Unless they try organizing some earlier military alliances. This could create some conflict between Mairon and Doriath, and I don’t think Thingol would get along much with Mairon in the first place.

Mairon getting upset over the sack of Doriath and Sirion could also go very bad for the Fëanorions if he sees them again. Maybe Mairon takes on the responsibility to look after the part-Maia kids? He finds Elured and Elurin (that would be nice), and hovers over Elrond and Elros (to their annoyance) when they leave Maglor.

Speaking of the Kinslayers ;), if we go for the Celebrimbor shipping route, then we have the delightful irony of a Silvergifting plot where the angst and conflict comes from Celebrimbor initially being on the bad guy team XD. Actually, same thing for Maedhros/Mairon here XD.

More generally for shipping, is the politics implication for any characters that established their own standing. That should be handy; marrying in like Melian did is the smoothest way to integrate in Middle-earth’s existing power structures. But I think Mairon’s too much of a control freak to be as willing as Melian to respect that it’s not actually his kingdom, if he did that. So that could go cause conflict to resolve ;)

I’m not really into Mairon/Galadriel myself, but I think they’d be pretty interesting in that setup. Galadriel would definitively not let that slide from him, wanting to make her own kingdom was why she came to Beleriand in the first place ;).

Then of course there’s the good ship Mairon/Tar-Míriel ;). Same power balance issue as with Galadriel potentially causing problems, but they’d also be on board together working on plan ‘manipulate Númenor into better behaviour’. So that could be a lot of fun ;)

#yes another one XD #fic idea #AU Ideas #up for adoption #Sauron #mairon #long post

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fatalism-and-villainy · 4 years

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Thoughts on the second half of TTT:

The descriptions of Mordor and the lands surrounding it are all just wonderful? I know a lot of people complain about Tolkien’s long descriptions of the scenery, but that’s one of my favourite parts of the experience of actually reading this book.

“...so remote now that it was like a chapter in a story of the world’s youth, when the Trees of Silver and Gold were still in bloom” - woooo Silm reference!

Going into “Of Herbs and Stewed Rabbit,” I couldn’t remember if the iconic “po-ta-toes” line was just in the movie or not, so I was delighted to discover that it is, in fact, in the book.

One of Faramir’s men is named Mablung, so more examples of Third Age Gondorians having a thing for naming their kids after famous Elves.

When they’re first getting questioned by Faramir and Sam starts telling Faramir off on behalf of Frodo, there’s a bit about how some of Faramir’s men are incredibly amused by the scene, and I love it.

Faramir says that Calenardhon was given to Eorl’s people by Gondor because it was “sparsely populated,” which is... a nice euphemism for the whole “driving people out of it” thing.

I haven’t said much about the “wild Easterlings and cruel Haradrim” editorializing, because there’s not really much I could say that hasn’t been said before, but this bit: “For so we reckon Men in our lore, calling them the High, or Men of the West, which were Númenórians; and the Middle Peoples, Men of the Twilight, such as are the Rohirrim and their kind that dwell still far in the North; and the Wild, the Men of Darkness.” Like, damn, the fact that there’s an actual explicit hierarchy spelled out in the text?? This is the Gondorians’ POV, and I don’t actually mind it as a summation of in-universe beliefs, but I also don’t get the vibe that Tolkien actually disagreed with any of it, given how often the level of virtue and sophistication in Men in the text is linked to their association with Elves (i.e. the Rohirrim are a step down for not being descended from Númenórians, but are still okay due to being descended from the House of Hador).

Faramir goes on to say that the Gondorians are losing the designation of “high” and becoming more like the Rohirrim due to the necessary emphasis they’ve put on war, and the way warriors are valorized above all else in Gondor. Which feels like it’s meant to be an extension of Tolkien’s anti-war bent, but given the proximity to the “ranking” of Mannish cultures also feels it’s playing into a set of narratives that uses a “warlike” designation as a means of further marginalizing certain cultures, or portraying them as less “cultured” or sophisticated in their own right? idk.

There’s a part where Gollum wakes the hobbits up and asks, “Are we rested? Have we had beautiful sleep?” and Sam says, “We aren’t, and we haven’t,” and it never fails to make me cackle.

That “the king has got a crown again” part, where they discover the decapitated head of the statue of the ancient king, with the plants grown around the head like a crown, is also super well-written (though admittedly I took Frodo’s “they cannot conquer forever” as some sort of “no kings, no masters” message initially, before I realized that he was referring to Mordor)

That scene with Gollum discovering Sam and Frodo asleep and, for a moment, resembling an old hobbit, is so heartbreaking and makes me mourn the fact that Tolkien was intending initially to have Gollum do a straight-up Heel-Face Turn and knowingly sacrifice himself for Frodo. Ah, what could have been...

There’s a quote about how Sauron thought of Shelob as his “cat” (even though she served no master), and it’s just?? delightful?? Is this is a callback to Tevildo Prince of Cats? Does Sauron think of all creatures in his proximity as cats?? Does he have an actual pet cat? Amazing.

#lotr reread 2020

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garden-ghoul · 7 years

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misc from HoME

“mostly tinuviels”

this first bit is from the framing story before music of the ainur

Then said he: 'Your pardon, sir! I marked you not, for I was listening to the birds. Indeed sir you find me in a sour temper; for lo! here I have a black-winged rogue fat with impudence who singeth songs before unknown to me, and in a tongue that is strange! It irks me sir, it irks me, for methought at least I knew the simple speeches of all birds. I have a mind to send him down to Mandos for his pertness! '

At this Eriol laughed heartily, but said the door-ward: 'Nay sir, may Tevildo Prince of Cats harry him for daring to perch in a garden that is in the care of Rumil. Know you that the Noldoli grow old astounding slow, and yet have I grey hairs in the study of all the tongues of the Valar and of Eldar. Long ere the fall of Gondolin, good sir, I lightened my thraldom under Melko in learning the speech of all monsters and goblins -- have I not conned even the speeches of beasts, disdaining not the thin voices of the voles and mice? -- have I not cadged a stupid tune or two to hum of the speechless beetles? Nay, I have worried at whiles even over the tongues of Men, but Melko take them! they shift and change, change and shift, and when you have them are but a hard stuff whereof to labour songs or tales. Wherefore is it that this morn I felt as Omar the Vala who knows all tongues, as I hearkened to the blending of the voices of the birds comprehending each, recognising each well-loved tune, when tiriptilirilla here comes a bird, an imp of Melko -- but I weary you sir, with babbling of songs and words.'

This is really cute. But also like... Rumil wants to kill this bird for speaking a language he doesn’t know... ANYWAY I think it’s a really cool backstory, he was imprisoned by Melkor so to make himself useful he learned EVERY LANGUAGE THERE IS. But human languages change too often, how troublesome.

Also, ‘may Tevildo Prince of Cats harry him.” If Tevildo is really Sauron mk 1 this is a really funny curse. PRESUMABLY Rumil has met him, if they both worked for Melkor. is he scary or is he just... a cat.

Here’s an extract from a poem called ‘the man in the moon.’ I didn’t read the intro carefully enough to figure out what it has to do with anything, but look at Tolkien’s vocabulary:

And at plenilune in his argent moon He had wearily longed for Fire -- Not the limpid lights of wan selenites, But a red terrestrial pyre With impurpurate glows of crimson and rose And leaping orange tongue',

Mr Rolkien you can’t rhyme “plenilune” and “moon,” they’re the same thing. It’s cheating. He also used the word “inaureoled” a couple stanzas earlier. Anyway I LOVE internal rhymes it’s the best thing ever.

OKAY I skipped to the tale of tinuviel (for my own reference, page 222), because I want to see my great kids and also the prince of cats. In the framing story Eriol is hanging out with a bunch of kids and telling them his own stories, and he asks them to pay their debt with a story in return. Within 15 seconds of beginning the story they start arguing over the name of Tinuviel’s father (apparently it’s Tinwelint), which is very kids and very cute.

'Hush thee, Ausir,' said Veanne, 'for it is my tale and I will tell it to Eriol. Did I not see Gwendeling and Tinuviel once with my own eyes when journeying by the Way of Dreams in long past days?’

'What was Queen Wendelin like (for so do the Elves call her), Veanne, if thou sawest her?' said Ausir.

They can’t agree on ANYONE’S name. G/wendelin/g is Melian btw. Apparently she has dark hair; I don’t like it, I think she has fire hair. So there’s a short recounting of how Tinwelint and Wendeling met, and then we note that they had two children, Dairon and Tinuviel. Interesting! Dairon is the third best musician ever, after Ivare and Tinfang Warble (pffft). “Tinuviel's joy was rather in the dance, and no names are setwith hers for the beauty and subtlety of her twinkling feet.” TWINKLETOES. I’m going to call her Twinkletoes from now on.

Beren, one of the gnomes of Dor-Lomin (and if I’m reading this right he’s of the people that were imprisoned by Melkor?) turns up (Veanne doesn’t know how, just that he liked wandering) and stares at her, even though gnomes and elves don’t get along. Yr all eldar, guys. There’s this really cool bit though where Dairon sees Beren and flees, but Tinuviel is too confused and she doesn’t think she’s very good at runnin (she’s a dancer! probably has better stamina than her brother!) so she just... melts into a puddle of moonlight. What it actually says is that she hides under a hemlock with large flowers, but Beren is literally watching her the entire time and he still doesn’t get where she went.

she slipped suddenly down among the white hemlocks and hid herself beneath a very tall flower with many spreading leaves; and here she looked in her white raiment like a spatter of moonlight shimmering through the leaves upon the floor.

Then Beren was sad,

So she gets away. He keeps wandering around looking for her and watches her dance a few times. She’s not afraid of him any more because she realizes he just likes her dancing. And she’s great at it! She should be proud! So he asks her to teach him to dance, and she like, cruelly makes fun of him for not being as good at dancing as she is? And she brings him into whatever they’re calling Menegroth these days and is like “:D hey everyone this wanderer wants to learn to dance! that’s pretty funny right!”

Tinwelint asks if he has ever hurt her and she’s like nooooo he appreciates my dancing more than ANYONE else. And when Tinwelint asks why Beren is here Beren says “I want to marry her.” everyone laughs at him, because that was totally unprompted and extremely rude. after Beren storms out, promising to get a silmaril, Tinuviel chides her father, saying “now no-one will ever appreciate my dancing as much again!” I am really enjoying how she’s clearly not in love with him at all yet, and thinks of him more as a captive audience for her GREAT DANCING than any kind of equal.

Beren is captured by orcs and taken to Melkor, cos he’s beefy and they think Melkor might appreciate it. Melkor is actually mad because he can tell from Beren’s phenotype that he should already be a slave. But Beren says he’s sooo tired of hanging out with humans (who Melkor hates) and would rather work for Melkor as a huntsman and trapper to get him food.

Melko marking his hardy frame believed him, and was willing to accept him as a thrall of his kitchens.

Scullery maid is much funnier, but it’s also more true than I was expecting...

Now he gave orders for Beren to be made a thrall of Tevildo Prince of Cats. Now Tevildo was a mighty cat -- the mightiest of all -- and he was in Melko's constant following; and that cat had all cats subject to him, and he and his subjects were the chasers and getters of meat for Melko's table and for his frequent feasts. Wherefore is it that there is hatred still between the Elves and all cats even now.

I’m so tickled by the image of the hugest domestic cat ever chasing down an elk. Alternately, Melkor eats only mice and rats. It’s just to make it harder for the cooks, who have to peel them individually. Anyway Beren goes to Tevildo’s house, which is full of “growling and monstrous purrings.”

All about shone cats' eyes glowing like green lamps or red or yellow where Tevildo's thanes sat waving and lashing their beautiful tails, but Tevildo himself sat at their head and he was a mighty cat and coal-black and evil to look upon. His eyes were long and very narrow and slanted, and gleamed both red and green, but his great grey whiskers were as stout and as sharp as needles. His purr was like the roll of drums and his growl like thunder, but when he yelled in wrath it turned the blood cold, and indeed small beasts and birds were frozen as to stone, or dropped lifeless often at the very sound.

I have to quote Tevildos extensively because everything I hear about him is just so good. I love when cats do a yell. Anyway Tevildo immediately narrows his eyes at Beren and says “I smell a dog,” and dislikes him forever because he used to have a dog. Which he hasn’t seen for months probably while he’s been in Doriath. Tevildo can smell his doggish personality. So he tells Beren that he’s probably an AWFUL hunter and trapper and tells him to catch three mice. But Beren has nothing to make traps with, so he can’t, and Tevildo sneeeers at him.

OH. OH. HE IS LITERALLY A SCULLERY MAID. WHEN HE COULDN’T CATCH THE MICE TEVILDO SET HIM TO SCRUBBING FLOORS. He is a general dogsbody for the cats (ha!) and doesn’t get much food or sleep.

Meanwhile Tinuviel realizes she actually misses him as a person, confusingly? And she asks her parents to let her go rescue him. Which is really absurd, considering they talked for all of ten minutes and he’s just some random guy from the forest. Her father shuts her in a house up in the boughs of HIRILORN, my favorite tree (queen of beeches!) and she has a great time there actually. I think she likes making people bring her stuff, and her brother spends a lot of time playing for her at the base of the tree.

The hair-growing spell actually fits in with this version of the story way better, because this whole thing is a fairy tale. That’s why I like it better than the final version tbh. Beren as a scullion for the prince of cats! That’s good fairy tale material! The cloak she weaves is also imbued with sleepiness, which rocks.

We now learn of Tevildo’s deep personal grudge against Huan, captain of the dogs, who almost caught him once chasing him away from the dwellings of humans. Tinuviel meets him in the forest and tells him she is looking for Beren. What luck! Huan and Beren have been friends for a long time! Double luck, Huan already hates the guy Beren needs rescuing from! Huan advises Tinuviel to go to Tevildo’s house at noon, when everyone is having their catnap in the sun on the terraces. Holy shit. I love thissss

She meets Umuiyan (umunyan) the doorkeeper and flatters him into letting her see Tevildo. And she dares to pet his head and he purrrrrs. He is much bigger than her, big enough to ride, so he carries her to where Tevildo is and then goes off to take a nap because of her Slumbersome Cloak. Tevildo takes her into the castle (she implied that she has news of his Enemy Huan) and she sees Beren carrying stuff around in the kitchens, so she tells her story to Tevildo REALLY LOUDLY. Beren drops everything he’s carrying. Now Tinuviel says that Huan is lying injured in the forest and is a REAL JERK so she thought she’d tell Tevildo and get him killed, which he deserves.

Blah blah Huan almost kills Tevildo, tries to ransom Beren and Tinuviel for his own safety. I want to note here that Tevildo says Beren is probably being scratched by the cook, Miaule. They have.... cat names.... they all have cat names.... this is like that fucking episode of Naruto where they have to infiltrate the cat fortress. anyway Tevildo is forced to give his golden collar to Tinuviel, and she also gets to use the spell that binds cats to his will and makes them huge and scary. So a bunch of normal sized scared cats come running out of the fortress. Huan takes the golden collar, which has “a great magic of strength and power.” Guys. It’s the one ring, but it’s a cat collar. I’m so fucking tickled.

Tinuviel and Beren wander around in the woods with a whole bunch of dogs for a while until Tinuviel gets homesick. Well there’s nothing to be done about it! I don’t want to live in the woods forever, and Beren can only come home with me if I get a silmaril! Apparently Huan has been carrying around a dead cat this entire time as a trophy, which he donates to Beren as a disguise:

Now doth Tinuviel put forth her skill and fairy-magic, and she sews Beren into this fell and makes him to the likeness of a great cat, and she teaches him how to sit and sprawl, to step and bound and trot in the semblance of a cat, till Huan's very whiskers bristled at the sight, and thereat Beren and Tinuviel laughed. Never however could Beren learn to screech or wail or to purr like any cat that ever walked, nor could Tinuviel awaken a glow in the dead eyes of the catskin -- "but we must put up with that," said she, "and thou hast the air of a very noble cat if thou but hold thy tongue."

Beren is a REALLY GOOD CAT THOUGH LOOK

Tinuviel's heart became lighter awhile than it had been for long, and she stroked Beren or pulled his tail, and Beren was angry because he could not lash it in answer as fiercely as he wished.

CUTE!!!

They go in to talk to Melkor. Although Tinuviel looks the same as normal, Melkor tells her to stop “flitting around like a bat.” So we see where the business with Thuringwethil came from! Anyway Tinuviel pretends she is a teen runaway and hates her dad and wants to come live in Angband because like, that’s the MOST OBVIOUS place for a teen runaway to get a job. He’s like, eh, but he lets her dance anyway because he’s bored. Beren uses his kitchen knife from Tevildo’s house to pry a silmaril out of the iron crown, which I think is very charming. He has no other weapons!

When they make it back to Huan, he says Tinuviel to ride on his back and Beren to run beside. Sorry, who just had their hand bitten off? Was it Tinuviel? Let the boy ride! So they go back and everything else happens pretty much as normal, except after going to Mandos both of them become mortal Also they do Many Great Deeds after this, which is good, because in the final version they just settled down with their 15 dogs and had a kid.

#silm #I like this version of the lay so much better. it's the fairy tale I always wanted it to be.#leithblog #sort of

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