#EXCEPT for kenny for some reason???? like when he opposes lee its fine but no one else can do it

[spacedlexi]

Hi Lexi

What do you think of partially blinded Vi? You never seem to draw her that way, and I kind of just wanted to know what do you think of it as a certified Vi lover.

I personally think that while something like this can be "cool" (as in, being beneficial to the character design), it's handled quite poor for Vi and it just looks a bit... ungrateful. Simply doesn't look good, doesn't fit her personality or character (am I missing something?) and it doesn't seem to fit or suit her...unlike Kenny's iconic eyepatch. To me, it has become a pivotal thing in his design to a degree in which Kenny with both eyes seems a bit odd looking. I see it as a symbol which stands for Ken being a martyr and all he's lost and sacrificed. He is all about family and helping those he loved, his loved ones truly were the "apple of his eye". It all makes sense, doesn't it?

But for Vi, it's excatly the opposite. I'm just so sorry to see her like this. 😭😭😭 I don't think it makes sense in any way. Louis losing his tongue because he's so talkative and "won't shut up" does kind of make sense, but I cant help but see Violet losing sight as kind of lazy writing. "We need something bad happening to her!!! suffer the children!!!'- the writers exclaimed.

i think vi losing her eyesight is incredibly impactful on her character and i honestly dont understand why some people say its lazy writing. especially since it was foreshadowed multiple times. vi losing her eyesight i think is even more impactful on her character than louis losing his tongue because at least louis still has his music to express himself and uplift spirits through (and its not like he cant communicate At All. his note still makes clem laugh). the reason i dont draw blind vi very often is because of how sad it is to me. for multiple reasons

violets whole thing is wanting to be able to protect the people she cares about, and feels immense grief and guilt about the times she feels shes failed them (thinks if she had been there with the twins that day that she couldve done something to save them. feels she failed everyone taken by the raiders. is scared of failing clem too "if something happened to you because of me? i cant lose you too. i wont". its why she cant leave minnie after shooting her. and a kidnapped vi attacks clem because she doesnt want anyone else to get hurt. hell it even ties back to her grandma and feeling guilty about not doing anything for her)

so for her to lose her eyesight? she took pride in her ability to fight and now she cant do that anymore. cant protect the people she loves. and as someone who started the season as an isolated loner, it forces her to rely on those around her for help, stripping her of her independence (and her independence is what allowed her to stand up against the group for clem when it came to the marlon situation in ep2). a blinded vi is forced into accepting community, whereas a saved violet accepts it on her own. her and clem turn ericsons into the home violet could never see it as

the other reason blind vi makes me so sad is that it is Directly a result of clems actions. kidnapped vi had nothing and wanted nothing to do with the bomb, and yet shes the ONLY ONE who gets hurt by it. clem choosing to let vi be taken means clem both breaks her heart, and then burns out her eyes. louis and his tongue is between him and lilly and was a choice THEY each made outside of clems direct influence (even if it was clem who inspired him to speak up, it is ultimately his choice to keep talking, and lilly hurts him for it. its sad he gets punished for a character moment, but clem had no direct hand in him losing his tongue. its why hes not angry to see her in the cell. he doesnt blame clem for what happened), but the way vi is feeling in that cell is DIRECTLY due to clems actions. vi feels like clem abandoned her after she had put herself on the line for her multiple times. she always had clems back but clem didnt have hers. clem is the one who planted the bomb and vi gets caught in the blast. clem hurts her emotionally And physically. and vi apologizes for getting upset (she tries to apologize on the beach too before theyre forced out in the cart, so she felt wrong for those actions immediately even tho they were understandable. lilly and minnie used her moment of weakness to get in her head. she just wanted everyone to be safe)

kidnapped blinded vi is just so incredibly sad to me, especially when you compare her to a fully realized violet. a violet who has come into herself, has confidence, has opened up, has stopped pushing people away out of fear and lets herself love again. shes a leader. a fighter. a protector. and those are all things a blinded violet loses

neither vi losing her eyes or louis losing his tongue is supposed to add anything to their characters. its about what theyve lost. both of them have important parts of their identity stripped away from them after being taken by the delta. its supposed to be sad. heartbreaking. regrettable. unfortunate. they have not gained anything by their time at the delta, only lost important parts of themselves to it

#twdg #like idk to me kennys eyepatch symbolizes his descent into madness. its the impact carver had on him #hes 'lost his sight' hes losing his way. becoming a danger to the people he says he cares about #kenny gets waaaay too much forgiveness in the fandom and i cant take it honestly. his motivations dont justify his actions #i dont hate him but god do i hate the way the fandom talks about him #esp when certain kenny stans ignore all the protagonists and hate all the women/anyone who opposes a protagonists views/actions #EXCEPT for kenny for some reason???? like when he opposes lee its fine but no one else can do it #you cannot deny hes a scary man by the end of s2 regardless of his motivations and people loooooove to handwave it away #i hate that 'family is family' crap #have none of you ever had a family member do something so horrible that you cut them out of your life completely? #HES NOT EVEN BLOOD FAMILY like that idea doesnt even apply here!! #the whole point of that phrase is that you cant choose who youre related to. twdg is LITERALLY about choosing your family #s3 is the one that makes a point to address blood relations and what worth they have #ok unexpected kenny rant over sorry but boy does the overwhelming kenny love get to me sometimes. there are other characters #sorry i hope this doesnt sound directed at you personally its just the overwhelming fan opinion i see and it drives me mad #where is the NUANCE?? #replies with lexi #plamglam

[pi-creates]

Any ships you dislike? It can be from any season, I just wanna get to know what ships you don't like for some reason. +, any ships from any season you wouldn't be comfy model swapping?

This feels like a bit of a minefield, so forgive me for prefacing this by saying whether I like your ship or not - it doesn’t mean I don’t like you or think you can’t ship it. 

Different strokes for different folks, and while I might not understand why someone ships something, I just assume they have a reason. Like, maybe there’s an amazing AU out there that I just don’t know about that shows the characters in a different light where it makes perfect sense. I dunno, maybe there is also just a dynamic that’s not my cup of tea but is for someone else. 

And if you happen to disagree with any of these, cool! Come tell me what ships you like and why, I like to be informed and hear what you’re enthusiastic about even if our opinions are different.

Now... I guess I’ll start with TFS since that’s the most shippy season and move backwards. Also putting it behind a “read more” because this sort of exploded in length. My bad.

TFS:

The first big one that comes to mind is that I’m not really a fan of Clemerva. It’s one of those ships that I really don’t understand the appeal of. Especially if we’re talking about something that isn’t based in an AU where Minnie’s traumatic experiences with the Delta didn’t happen. There just isn’t any positive interaction between Clem and Minnie in canon and they are constantly seen as opposing and hostile forces, so I don’t really know where the kick-off point for this ship comes from. If there are Clemerva shippers out there who can explain this, I would love to hear it.

Also don’t really like Lousim. I know that’s a popular one, but I don’t get it. I think I know why in this case, and it basically comes down to me not liking the “he’s just teasing ‘cause he likes you” thing when there isn’t also some affectionate hints along with it. I feel like I see that dynamic in a lot of media and it is very hit-or-miss for me - Lousim just is more of a miss in my case. I don’t doubt they’re friends since they do clearly care about each others well-being, but I personally don’t see where the romantic chemistry is. Or maybe I’m just missing those affectionate hints that would make this one work for me, I don’t know.

As for what I wouldn’t be comfortable model swapping... pretty much anything that’s going to stir trouble. I don’t want that. I don’t have the emotional fortitude to defend other people’s ships or swap ideas for them when they can land on touchy ground.

This includes literally anything with AJ. I thought I was ok with this one since in my head I thought there are probably people out there who have a “instead of Clem finding AJ, it was (blank)!” idea, but without the context it comes across as really shippy. I bring this up because there are literally 7 requests in my inbox to have AJ (specifically baby AJ) sharing a bed with a mix of different characters. I’m not touching this one, I don’t know why I haven’t just deleted those asks, and it honestly puts me off from doing the other AJ swaps that are like “can you make AJ hug (blank)?” because I question whether this is the same person trying to coax me in with foot-in-the-door tactics. And if that is what’s going on, I’m not ok with that either.

And I won’t put James in the dancing scene with a female character. I personally think it would be ok to pretend that scene is platonic and perhaps James is teaching one of the girls how to dance because he’s secretly a master of the waltz - but I don’t think it’s possible to completely separate the dancing moment out from its romantic context since it literally only occurs in a Violentine romance route. So yeah, not touching that one either.

ANF:

I think I’m ok with most ships in this one. Though truthfully I haven’t delved that far in to it, so maybe there are ships that I just don’t know about. 

Any Javi x Whoever ship is fine, I get where people are coming from with those since he’s the protagonist and an easy projection point for people. And if there are a bunch of side-character ships going on then I don’t think I’ve seen them. So I guess that’s a case-by-case thing that I’ll have an opinion on whenever I encounter them.

Actually no, there is one ship I’ve heard people talk about from one particular fic they’ve seen... and that’s stuff involving Mariana and some of the adult men in the New Frontier - not ok with that. Not touching that one for obvious reasons.

S2:

Another controversial one, maybe, but I never got the Nuke thing. I liked seeing a strong friendship between these two where they could hug and be supportive of each other without it meaning more. I dunno, I think I like it better as them being best friends who don’t care if it looks “too familiar” when they express that. Maybe I just like that it sort of adds some normalisation to be loving with your friends in a platonic way, and if it’s romantic it sort of takes a way from that message a little for me.

I think the Luke and Jane thing comes out of nowhere and its main purpose is to stir up unnecessary drama, but it doesn’t bother me if someone elaborates on it. 

I personally find Kenny and Sarita’s relationship a little too tense to be completely comfortable with...  but again, I feel like I could come around to this one as well if it was elaborated on further. Though it’s probably going to take more to convince me of this one than the Luke and Jane thing.

As for what I won’t touch... kid ships for this season are off the table, for the obvious reasons. I think most of the other things are fine, or at least I can’t think of any big ships that would be offensive enough that I wouldn’t be ok with them.

S1:

Ummm... I really don’t know with this one. I think I’m fine with most of the common ships - unless there’s some surprise ships out there that I don’t know about.

Carlee, Mollee, Lillee, Douglee, whatever. Same deal as ANF, shipping Lee with other characters makes sense to me since he’s the protagonist and the easiest character for people to project on for shipping purposes.

The one exception is probably Kenlee. I’m not really sure what puts me off so much with this one, but I guess it’s a combination of Kenny being married with a son and also an absolute dick in my playthroughs... so yeah, this one is hard for me to get behind.

And again... avoiding the kids here as well. 

#twdg talk #long post #again #not trying to offend anyone with this #you guys do your own thing #just be nice to each other