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classyhideouthearth · 11 months
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Neji vs. A edo-tensei'd Kidomaru
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luckynightkryptonite · 8 months
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tsukuyomii45 · 6 months
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You mention in one asked that if Obito and FemObito would teamed up together as warlords in the 4th Shinobi War, it would be so batshit Insane that Madara would look proudly or just leave.
I just want to know what type of batshit insanity these two would bring together as warlords?
Just imagining them spamming a DOUBLE KAMUI makes me worry for the Alliance, LOL
Oh, these two would be the biggest fucking trolls on the battlefield.
Put a batshit crazy bitch and a ruthless calculative warlord together and Madara wouldn't even have to bother resurrecting himself. xD
These two would troll the hell out of Kakashi, Naruto and Gai, even with the Tailed Beasts by using their Kamui to move in and out of dimensions and even using their shapeshifting genjutsu to switch genders just to confuse the shit out of them. They're far more powerful than clones.
I'd like to think that fem!Obito is a powerful genjutsu user and this scares the Tailed Beasts because that means she doesn't have to sweat when it comes to controlling them.
The two of them would literally use their wood release in order to feed the flames of their fire jutsu. A double bakufuu ranbu with the alliance either trapped or skewered with the double usage of Mokuton?? Yeah.. brutal, I know.
They don't even get hurt much because of the Hashirama cells that it built into them - so a wound here and there just sizzles away and they would have enough chakra replenished to continue fighting.
Obito in the canon literally exhausted them. Imagine him and his female counterpart?
They're masters in psychological warfare, they would project all the agony and despair that they carry brutally which makes some members of the alliance resort to giving up. These two can literally turn the tides of the battle towards their favor, and with their strategic coordination they can smoke out the weaknesses of most shinobis and either exploit it or execute a merciless attack on them.
Both of their chakra combined is enough to take control of the Ten-Tails without needing Madara's power. Madara would literally just stand there with his arms crossed watching these two rain down chaos upon chaos and would be like, "What am I even doing here..?"
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Kankuro: Gaara, don't you have enough children now?
Gaara: What are you talking about? I only have-
Gaara:
Kankuro:
Gaara: How many nieces and nephews do you have now?
Kankuro: THAT'S WHAT I'D LIKE TO KNOW TOO!
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monkeydluthy · 10 months
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Getting me a Boruto tattoo today in the inner bicep area .. bring on that 4th of July PAIN!!
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renaerys · 1 year
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A Quiet Thunder (Shisui/Sakura)
Hey hi hello, I’ve swan dived into the ShiSaku fandom hard. Here’s Chapter 1 of a new fic because I simply cannot help myself. Premise is the 4th War goes wrong in the worst way, so in a desperate bid to do just one thing right, Obito magicks up the last of his power to send Naruto back in time to fix it. But, oh no! Naruto is not available, and Sakura is next best (and only) option. Rewind 10 years, and she crash-lands (literally) in the arms of one of the most powerful and renowned shinobi Konoha has ever produced. Surely everything will work out super fine, right?
Summary: Destiny has never chosen Sakura, and it’s not about to start now. But with Naruto gone and the world as she knows it on the brink of collapse, the pickings are slim. Good thing she’s too stubborn to lose. 
[Or, Obito has not stopped to consider that he’s left the future in the hands of a pair of idiots.]
Rating: E
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al-hekima-madara-blog · 11 months
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Madara & hindu cosmology
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It's a thought I had following this post here
It's interesting that Madara never wished to resurrect his loved ones contrary to Obito. It seems that Izuna's death but more precisely the valley of the end’s defeat marked for him a definitive rupture with "this world". He was not interested anymore about his own desires. If you think about it, he was not supposed to be part of this collective dream that could have longed an eternity from the perception of those inside the dream. If everything had gone according to his plan, he would be just there alone watching people slowly dying in their cocoons.
Actually, I’ve realized recently that from my western perspective, I didn't pay attention to the Buddhist cultural aspect and in some instances the hindu cosmology. There is between both religions cultural bridges that we can't really see in the West shaped in judeo-christian background but from an asian/japanese audience it's implicit. In hinduism there is this idea that the material world is but a creative dream from the imagination of a god. He manifests himself in a sort of trinity:
Brahma the creator
Vishnu the protector
Shiva the destroyer (in order to recreate a new world) and note that Shiva is also associated as the Lord of dance. Shiva Nataraja destroys the cosmos, each steps is creating movement in the dissolution of the universe. It's a doomsdays to end a cycle and allow a new one to be born.
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Shiva Nataraja, Lord of dance and destruction
Madara's plan is a way to attain this godhood state, to annihilate the world and recreate it again. We first met him during the apex of the 4th shinobi war, impersonating in a way Shiva, he destroyed the current shinobi world. From his perspective it's a failed world, or should I say a dream who turned into a nightmare, created by another god Hagoromo and perpetuated by his spiritual heirs Hashirama/Naruto. Obito in creating the Akatsuki and collecting the Bijuus, was incarnating one of Shiva's steps. He was preparing the dissolution of the world by perverting the shinobi system and hastening the apparition of the true "Shiva".
Madara’s Brahma phase can be paralleled with him being the second Sage Rikudou and having access to all the chakra on Earth and opening his third eye which represents in hinduism and buddhism the invisible one who brings mystical illumination and visions in the realm of high consciousness. If his plan would have succeeded he would have been a type of Vishnu protecting the new world. Alone, but keeping safe humanity inside his dream.
And as odditiesinnaruto said, time in a dream can be infinite. If Izumi was able to have a whole life with Itachi and "dying old", Madara must have been capable of putting someone in a dream where they exist and continue their life through their imaginary descendants for generations and generations, for centuries and millions of years which represents few seconds in real life. He would have literally created a Madaraverse inside the zombified Narutoverse (it sounds really like the movie Inception). And in his dream, somewhere the Uchiha clan and the whole world will "exist" in peace forever. It gives me vertigo!
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akatsukitrash · 2 years
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No fr the search for Tsunade arc shows how shinobi never belong to themselves even if they're from a privileged clan and have ties to important people. We know that already bc in the Wave arc Kakashi explains that even in death, shinobi corpses can be used by/against their village, but this is yet another example. Tsunade is 54 with terrible ptsd and freaking hemophobia, which makes her completly unable to fight or even heal properly, she already fought for her village in TWO great wars and lost her brother and fiancé in them (plus seeing her teammate and presumably friend Orochimaru lose his parents then become a crazy ninja scientist and torturing ppl), she just wants to gamble and drink her life away, and while she was left relatively alone for a while, which im assuming is thanks to Hiruzen being somewhat considerate to ppl sometimes, she still ended up having Jiraiya running after her ass to try to force her to be a Hokage (a position she doesnt want and despises, which he KNOWS) while simultaneously threatening to kill her if she goes against the village by...doing her job as a healer and healing Orochimaru's hands (im sorry but has naruto world never heard of the fact that doctors are required to help patients regardless of their crimes). And she was only considering that bc Orochimaru was offering her to resurrect her loved ones, who wouldnt have died in the first place if Konoha wasnt a warmongering place that sent her 12 yo child soldier brother to death. And then some blonde kid starts yelling at her bc hes jealous that shes offered the Hokage position, which again, she believes has gotten her grandfather, granduncle, brother and fiancé killed without bringing any peace whatsover. Then she reluctantly accepts and is dragged into the village to do paperwork all day everyday and risk her life against godlike ninjas like Pein and Madara, again for a village that she resents and that hurt her. And apparently in Kakashi Hiden Naruto calls her a bad Hokage. For doing better than all the Hokage before her despite being a victim of the state and hating the job. She rebuilt Konoha TWICE and kept it standing through the 4th great war. She surpassed by far the Nidaime and Shodaime Hokage when it comes to ruling, and I think she should've been allowed to destroy that cursed place as a treat.
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It's heartbreaking that the day Itachi massacred his clan, he continued to blame himself and himself only despite the Leaf leaders putting him in those circumstances. He knew how horrible the whole Leaf leadership was. He TRIED to warn his clan about their impending failure, which was inevitable, and his words were immediately brushed off without the Uchiha even considering them. Because they saw him as a traitor.
He considered himself insignificant, yet hoped the Leaf leaders would make something out of the given time that they had after Shisui died. But no... Hiruzen didn't do a thing. Itachi saw that. He noticed how the whole government wanted the Uchiha dead. He knew Hiruzen's words of kindness were a farce.
The possibility of the 4th World War, the Uchiha failing and dying at the village's hands, and then eventually being labeled the traitors and criminals forever, despite being the founding members of the Hidden Leaf Village. The coup had no positive outcome whether they won or lost. Even then, he fully understood why the Uchiha really would do this. And he wanted to be the Hokage so that the village would stop seeing them with suspicion. He worked hard to be a strong and powerful ninja. He wanted to help his clan too. He saw all the darkness of the Hidden Leaf. And he wanted to change that without any bloodshed.
But the grownups around him failed him. His parents failed him. The Leaf Village failed him. Itachi was only 12-13. A lonely kid. And Shisui's death broke him to the extent he never found himself again. The anime shows him as a complete badass king that can't lose to anybody, but he was beyond broken and traumatized as a 4-5 year old itself. He was suffering and only found comfort in Sasuke's company.
When Obito told Sasuke that Itachi was callously used by the Shinobi system, he wasn't lying at all. Both the Uchiha and the Hidden Leaf used him as a tool, refused to see him as a human, let alone a child. There was a reason why he never shared his pain with anyone. Because he knew no one was willing to listen to him. The ones with absolute authority who could have done something, didn't do anything.
He took the blame and the burden of killing his clan not because he believed they deserved to die, but because their death was imminent (Danzo made that one clear to him), and after their deaths their honour would be stripped as well.
The rest of the characters are super lucky to never have been put in the situation Itachi was. We never know how it would have turned out for them, except for the main character (because the narrative is going to make the main character end up being the right one and the winner as well).
The Uchiha were the victims. Itachi was a victim. Sasuke was a victim. They all deserved better. But their lives were destroyed because of the weak leadership of Hiruzen, corrupted ideology of Danzo and the two Elders.
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classyhideouthearth · 11 months
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luckynightkryptonite · 9 months
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cursedvibes · 2 months
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When it comes to the Shinjuku fight it kinda reminds me of how I felt reading Madara during the 4th Shinobi War Arc. Where it’s like “Well I’m not mad that Madara is strong, that he keeps getting stronger, I just wish the battle was better paced and that Madara was better set up.” same with Kaguya.
Also I’ve noticed that the reading comprehension in this community is straight ass. People seem to not really care about the narrative outside of the main main characters. People are willing to overlook flaws in the main characters writing but will be very loud and it flaws outside of them. Vice versa, people are fine with the rest of the narrative being sacrificed if it means an exciting moment featuring their favorite character (cough Gojo cough).
It’s behavior similar to what I see in idol or band communities, which boggles my mind because JJK is a story. And should be read and analyzed like a story, not an idol group or gacha game.
It does feel quite similar to the 4th Shinobi war although thankfully not quite as bad. I think we have way too many people running around to the point that they have to come up with dumb reasons for why Angel, Hana and Inumaki can't participate for example, but that's still way better than the thousands of fodder ninja Kishimoto expected us to care about, while making it clear that only a handful of people could handle Madara, Kabuto and Kaguya anyway. Not to mention killing who was very clearly supposed to be the main villain only to introduce a completely new villain, who hasn't even been so much as mentioned up to that point and needed a total reboot of the world building to make sense. Everyone knows the thing that this series about ninjas desperately needed was aliens...
JJK also has the advantage that while Sukuna is insanely strong and the protagonists only slowly chip away at him, overpowering him isn't the goal here. So it isn't like with Naruto, where the main characters have to unlock some new type of cursed energy to beat him or whatever, it is much more an ideologically driven battle, where what really counts is undermining Sukuna's philosophy, which you can do best by not buying into the obsession with strength. The problem is just that Gege is getting a little too caught up in throwing around techniques than tackling what really matters. Kind of similar to the Gojo vs Sukuna fight, although not as bad yet. Having Yuuji involved has definitely improved things. Still, I think you can again feel that Gege is struggling with writing an overpowered character and finding the balance between showing his strength and focusing on the thematic aspects of the story like they manage to do in pretty much every other fight. Again, the foundation is there, but the formulaic structure of the Shinjuku fight is not really helping. Plus you have some unnecessary intermissions like Yorozu dying to give Sukuna a weapon that does nothing and only serves as a get-out-of-jail-free card (seriously what was the point of all that, it had literally 0 zero consequences and only robbed us of a chance at seeing Sukuna in a scenario where he can't rely on his strength).
Agree that there has been unfortunately very little good analysis on these chapters. I don't know how it looks on reddit, but it's getting quite hard to find some good meta on tumblr and twitter on this fight. A lot of commentary I see boils down to either "why can't Sukuna just die already??" and "Gojo has to come back to fix everything, here's a 38 page essay on all the foreshadowing of his return that will happen any day now". I can understand the first point, these people mostly just seem fatigued by the structure of this fight (new character pops up, gets killed/gravely injured by Sukuna, someone else takes their place) and they just want it to be over. The problem is just that killing Sukuna here would for one not make sense for his power level because while it is true that the protagonists have thrown a lot of force at him and tried different strategies, he's clearly not been trying very hard ever since Gojo died (which frustrates me a lot). That has to change first. And also if he died now that would make for a very unsatisfying, premature end of this story. Nothing would be gained with that, no character arc properly resolved. It would hurt especially Sukuna's character because it would mean he really was just a strong big bad with not much motivation besides wanting death and destruction for its own sake, who had to be killed to avoid further danger and go back to status quo. Far too easy and all the setup for Sukuna being a more nuanced character gets cut off. Like I set before, it would be worse than Kenjaku's death, since that at least had meaning and found some kind of end for Kenjaku's character arc. Kenjaku changed, while Sukuna has very firmly been the same this whole time with only a very brief moment of reflection on what he is even doing here. So yeah, more needs to happen before Sukuna can die and first of all he needs to take Yuuji seriously already and be pushed to his limits, challenged. That would vastly improve the tension of the fight as well.
And Gojo coming back is just...I understand wanting your favourite character back, but even if for some reason he was revived, he shouldn't help in the fight. Him overpowering Sukuna would mean exactly nothing, contradict the whole message of the story and also means the characters regress to letting Gojo solve everything again and direct their decisions after what he wants. That's why it was so important for Gojo to die or get depowered, so the other characters could progress and make real change in the world. He was a necessary stepping stone they had to overcome. He can't defeat Sukuna because he is essentially Sukuna, but in a different, slightly more humane font.
And as for your last point, I don't think it's bad to have a character you really like, are even obsessed with, that's why we have another popularity poll coming up after all. Engaging characters are very important, it's just a problem if people warp the story in their head to revolve around this character and then get seriously upset when the story doesn't follow their headcanon and blame the author for that. I like headcanons, I like writing fanfiction, but you have to differentiate that from what is actually happening in canon and accept that canon plays by different rules. Liking your fanfics more than the actual story is fine too, you just can't mesh these two together and lose sight of what is actually happening in the manga. As long as the story follows its own premises and rules/events it has set up, it is perfectly fine. There is legitimate criticism to make about jjk, I do it plenty, but things like wanting Sukuna dead and Gojo alive and getting mad at Gege for it not happening the way they want are just not it.
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