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Is it worth it? An analysis on Louis’ stunts

Lately there has been a shift in how Louis’ stunts are being presented to the fandom, with babygate mentions growing and seemingly being pushed by Louis himself.

I have taken some time to go over some (very arbitrary) success indicators that could possibly justify this push in stunts as a marketing ploy, however I have only confirmed my suspicions that the fanbase IS NOT HAPPY and that has been translating in Louis’ numbers.

(May I add that I focused more on louis’ relationship with his fanbase and I know that’s not everyone’s definition of success so I also added streaming numbers)

I took my numbers from this website and I looked through late 2021 and 2022 mostly

Starting off, lets look at Louis’ twitter following and activity:

Number of followers

Throughout August, September, October and November 2021, louis gained between 20k and 40k followers each month, those numbers were much higher during the earlier months of 2021, so what could have sparked that change?

The first picture of louis with F in years dropped in August, which happens to coincide with the sudden drop in Louis’ following

In December, the First Christmas BS happened, and that generated a drop in his following (he didn’t actually start losing followers until 2022, but he only gained 4K in December 2021) that would be weird on its on, but paired with the start of his tour (in which his numbers should be increasing much more) it was very obviously correlated.

Now onto 2022, which was quite an eventful year

2022 marked the start of LTWT which was not only an incredible time for preexisting fans could have been a great opportunity to increase his fanbase by giving him more visibility, especially paired up with a new album. We’ll see that this wasn’t the case

The beginning of the year presented Louis with a slow, especially if compared to 2021, but steady raise in following. This drastically changed in July.

The infamous dm leak happened on July 30th 2022 and it greatly impacted the fandom, which was translated into Louis social media following. Looking at it comparatively, in June 2022 he gained 129k followers, in July that number dropped to 26k, showing the impact of those final 2 days. In August, his numbers only continued to drop.

With the album announcement, one could’ve expect a raise in following and activity, but the opposite happened, and I can’t help but link it with the marketing strategy that was chosen, with further mentions of his “personal” life, especially bbg

The promotional interviews began July 2022 still during LTWT and, at first, they were stunt free (with the exception of one Interview on July 21 2022, in which he stumbled when saying F’s name, something he seemed much more comfortable with later on).

September 6, 2022: It is during an interview with Radio Deejay Itália that the mentions truly begin. Louis brings up Freddie unprompted and says he travels to LA often to visit him, from this point forward, the kid is often brought up.

November 2022 we get all those articles saying “louis finds parenting to be challenging”, over 100 copy and paste articles of this nature were posted.

December 2022 the Christmas Bs 2.0 took place, with the kid being flown to the UK and spending around a week there, between Christmas and New Years. The only footage of louis and F interacting was posted on Louis’ birthday, in a short video of the two in a dinner with the rest of the Tomlinsons.

How did this translate in his twitter following? When FITF promo started, Louis only lost followers

August 2022 he lost 7k

September 2022 he lost 33k

October 2022 he lost 24k

November 2022 he lost 29k followers (not good right after an album announcement)

December 2022 he lost 28k followers

January 2023 he lost 43.9k (the most so far)

But did all this only happen to his twitter following? Surely that’s not the only indicator of his success and relationship with his fanbase?

I agree, although louis does seem to use twitter the most when connecting with fans, lets look through his instagram

When FITF promo started, Louis only lost followers

August 2022 he lost 24k

September 2022 he lost 18k

October 2022 he lost 30k

November 2022 he lost 49k followers (not good right after an album announcement)

December 2022 he lost 33k followers

January 2023 he lost 62.8k (the most so far)

Looking at his streaming statistics

(I’m using walls as a comparison for timeline purposes, although im well aware walls promo was far from stunt free, it seems most fans have, understandably, a harder time dealing with bbg than Eleanor)

*Walls debuted at number nine on the US Billboard 200 with 39,000 album-equivalent units

*Faith in the Future debuted at number five on the Billboard 200 selling 43,000 album-equivalent units

So there was obviously an improvement on FITF debut, but has it been consistent since the album release?

The “this is Louis tomlinson playlist” on Spotify

May 2021 The "This Is Louis Tomlinson" playlist reached 250k likes

February 2023 The "This Is Louis Tomlinson" playlist reached 320k likes

Album stream milestones

Walls

Over 100 million streams on Spotify: February 6th, 1 week after its release

FITF

Over 100 million streams on Spotify: December 10th, 1 month after its release

So, overall, the situation does not seem to be improving…

I will later go through his tour sales, but given the different venue sizes this could be a bit tricky

My interpretation of those numbers i presented is that no, it is not worth it. Regardless on your opinion about bbg, from a marketing standpoint this image doesn’t seem to be doing Louis any favors…

(Please feel free to add your thoughts, I’d love to deepen this discussion)

Also, I don’t think any stunt that furthers a queer person’s closeting could ever be “worth it”, this was just my attempt to try to see what could be their motivations for this (although if its commercial success, it’s definitely not working)

#babygate #you'd think louis and his team would see the pattern by now #excellent to see it all laid out like that

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pegging1d · 1 year

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Larry Can Come Out in 2023: Here’s Why

Many people have told Harry and Louis that coming out would ruin their careers. Many people believe it. Fandom believes it—Harry and Louis themselves seem to believe it.

It’s a concern based on evidence and precedent, that’s true. But—this evidence is from a social climate of several decades ago. When One Direction was formed—when Harry and Louis’ public personas were formed—gay marriage was not yet legalised in the UK or the US. No celebrities had come out so publicly and then gone on to have even greater success.

So, where the world has changed around Harry and Louis, they seem stuck in 2010 thinking. Straight-at-all-costs Louis; serial womanizer Harry; coming out as career suicide for both. Not much has changed for them.

Yet, the world has changed in that time. The LGBT population doubled, then doubled again. Acceptance rates have skyrocketed. In media, some of the top Netflix shows have been based on queer characters. In music, 30% of the Top 10 artists last year were publicly queer. It’s a different world.

So, given it’s now a totally different landscape, we want to argue something. We want to argue that Harry and Louis could come out in 2023. We want to argue that, given the cultural context, data, and precedents, they would enjoy similar or even greater—probably much greater—levels of career success. We want to argue that they will be happier and more fulfilled while being more successful.

We heavily base our conclusions on research, facts, provable observations, and case studies. There is at least just as much evidence showing that they would be successful after coming out as there is showing their careers would fail—if not more.

So—shall we entertain the idea for just a moment?

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This post has been written by @louiscinema and I in order to bring a little variety to the current fandom discussion, where it seems like it’s unacceptable to suggest that Harry and Louis could be out. The majority of the discourse focuses on all the ways coming out would ruin their lives and end their careers—no one seems to mention the potential upside; that it could demonstrably improve their careers and lives, and that it has, for many people like them. In all honesty, it feels like we lose every time the fandom perpetuates the idea that their queerness is a disadvantage for them and shouldn’t be celebrated publicly. We want to provide a different perspective.

Disclaimer: We acknowledge this is ultimately not our closet nor decision to make and we understand that they don’t owe us anything. The post is simply offering a different point of view with Harry and Louis’ best interest at heart.

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Contents:

Part 1: Establishing some context: 2023 Social Dynamics: It’s a Brave New World

Cultural zeitgeist has shifted: the popularity of queer media

Popularity of queer relationships specifically: in media and in real life

Modern typical reaction to celebrities coming out is overwhelmingly positive and supportive

Other popular artists’ coming outs have not affected their careers, or actually improved their careers—some case studies

Analysis of top songs & artists—sexuality is increasingly irrelevant to success

Part 2: Larry in the Context of 2023 Social Dynamics

Popularity of Larry in the band years

Popularity of Larry now/post-band

Why Larry post-coming out will be even more popular

Stunts actively undermine their careers: some facts and figures

Addressing some concerns—how might it affect their fanbases (and why)?

Part 3: Emotional Reasons for Coming Out

Keep reading

#masterpost #harry's closet #louis' closet

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pegging1d · 2 years

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harry’s situation: a masterlist

This is a mix of:

harry being shady

hshq being a mess

things we wanted to point out

By: @thatumbroshirt @chvske and myself Emotional support: @saintqueer and @suleyu

Disclaimer: I tried to put everything chronologically, but I have adhd (yes that’s my excuse) so you’re going to have to embrace the mess that is my brain. ENJOY (lol)

2019

13.12.19: ONO Los Angeles being a mess: x, x (trying to play the exclusivity card (with amex) which lead to tons of tickets having to be given away)

14.12.19: ONO London is announced only 5 days prior to the concert (afterthought much?). Partnership with amex that doesn’t make any sense in the UK + tikcet giveaway when you buy from the london popup shop only announced after most fans had already bought merch from the shop. x, x

16.12.19: the alessandro michele x harry shirt that was overpriced then bc of backlash they said some part of the profit would go to charity

2020

31.01.20: the cancelled miami show (nfl) and how they let the fans stranded when there was a weather problem/hurricane

31.08.20: harry wears the blue bandana

18.09.20: the umbro shirt: x, x, x

october: harry wears the blue bandana

03.12.20: the variety hitmakers speech. still thank jeff and tommy + thank the label for leaving him alone

10.12.20: iHeart Radio Jingle Bell Ball 2020 –> when fans started to say H looked off: x, x, x

Harry’s store being a mess: x, x, x they still haven’t improved it, never tried to make fan’s experience better.

2021

Jeff getting married but not inviting his family to the wedding??? did they fake a wedding just to launch holivia?

03.01.21: the clown car, having him papped around LA with all his friends while people were dying (peak of the pandemic in LA at the time)

14.03.21: hshq and harry not posting about his grammy win + no hq pics of him with his award

13.04.21: olivia saying she lives with jason at court but then denying it in tabloids + right after holivia picked up again

11.05.21: harry rushing off set to get to the brits + going with tommo only + thanking the people “who have his back” no mention of jeff

29.05.21: harry wears the blue bandana

01.06.21: harry wears the blue bandana

16.06.21: harry has the blue bandana in his pocket

14.07.21: canadian shows getting cancelled and H and hshq not saying anything about it

09.08.21: harry is papped in LA (with O) and is wearing a pink floyd shirt for their album “The wall”, more on that here +

04.09.21: harry not having rehearsed for the US leg showing he probably didn’t want to go back on tour: this video from the first show is very telling + not knowing the lyrics to woman

hslot being a mess band members not returning for tour, apparently being let go and not being happy about the way it happened: x no bts content of harry with his band or with anyone really

07.09.21: harry wears the peace ring in Denver

29.09.21: harry singing depressing golden lyrics while looking very depressed

02.10.21: harry wears the blue bandana (while with o)

05.10.21: harry wearing the forrest gump shoes

15.10.21: harry is papped with an “all things must pass” crewneck + more about the song

16.10.21: harry’s kinda shady speech

“We played here 10 days ago… Don’t ask me why! Someone asked me: “do you wanna do New York, New York and New York or New York, New York, down to Florida, up to Pittsburgh and New York?” and I said, “thats a fun trip, I’ll do that!”

29.10.21: hshq adding more hslot shows in azoff owned venues

01.11.21: harry going to a meeting at sony

08.11.21: hshq tweeting from harry’s account while he was on stage. we always knew harry wasn’t the one tweeting but they still kept up the appearance for harries. it all flew out the window that time.

17.11.21: HSLOT Los Angeles 1: harry signaled his arm during the “give me that adrenaline” line in medicine (this ties up to the wall song and explanation shared above)

18.11.21: harry is papped with his two managers + is used as a billboard for apple pan

20.11.21: the therapist moment where it looked like he was two seconds away from a breakdown x, x, x smiling like a maniac/sounding sarcastic

20.11.21: harry getting papped sprinting to his car right after his last LA show. He didn’t seem to be willing to participate in this one. the article was promo for pleasing.

december 2021: harry in italy with olivia fiasco

hslot not being a safe space for him anymore: x, x, x Jeff and tommy or tom always being there during tour and guarding harry. he was never seen alone, they seemed to follow him like a hawk.

the venues harry performed at during hslot saying they couldn’t take their own pictures and being given the vegas pics: x, + anthony pham not being there at every show (green: he was there, red: he was not)

HSHQ supporting olivia wilde: x, x (tagging her but not even H), x, x, >< hshq being silent about mp and not following anyone from that movie

Harry’s managers dancing with O during tour showing they are close: x, x, x, x, x + harry avoiding that part of the stage during tour

Pleasing: seem to be an azoff/harry L/molly H venture more than a H one + the pr package only being sent to hshq friends and not influencers/celebrities

2022

19.01.22: the UK shows getting cancelled and replaced with stadium shows. fans having to buy new tickets. announcing it and saying the sale is the next day so fans don’t have time to think or breathe for a minute: x, x, x (also only announcing it after harries started dragging jeff under his comments on IG)

01.02.22: his birthday party where olivia was there, harry L, molly and the whole of hshq but it seemed like he himself wasn’t.

08.02.22: harry’s shady speech about jeff, some people claimed it was british humor but I explain why I think it was shade here

14.02.22: Tom (one of harry’s manager) papped with olivia on valentine’s day. did H bail on them?

20-27.02.22: O at a restaurant with H and his team. Business meeting, what for?

15.03.22: harry papped with olivia. does it count as as it was promo?

The youarehome account having to delete a pic bc they didn’t have permission to use it. You’re planning a whole campaign but you can’t even make sure you have the rights to post the pics you want???

01.04.22: as it was is released + promo is very shirt and interviews only in the Uk through zoom + no pap pics H stays MIA

02.04.22: rob stringer interview saying how nothing is manufactured about harry styles + quote

11.04.22: the situation with lucius (tpwk)

between 16 and 22: harry maybe went back to louis, would explain why he was so tired for his second weekend

18.04.22: rob sheffield writing about harry’s songs and making them all het

20.04.22: harry’s house leaks + soon after unreleased songs and stunt songs from 1d days: is the source the same or was there a power play between harry and sony?

20.04.22: lizzo is asked to perform with harry

22.04.22: coachella week 2, harry seems tired and angry + sings I will survive (after louis played stayin’ alive after his show) + they don’t seem to have rehearsed much. was lizzo not planned? harry is a professional and coachella is a huge opportunity it seems weird that he wouldn’t put all his mind into it. Kendall being at coachella with olivia: so strange considering hshq never let his beards be in the same room. Rolling stone having a photog for coachella but not taking any pics of harry

23.04.22: harry always wears a mask around olivia + videos of his “friends” having the time of their lives at coachella while he looks like he just wants to runaway + him being extremely uncomfortable with her x, x

26.04.22: better homes and gardens interview is released. harry’s talking points are nearly all the same as for fine line. many people have deja vu. He mentions: Britney spears, how free he is and a possible future breakdown.

28.04.22: harry posted the tracklist on his IG stories, the quality of the pic is horrendous we could barely read the titles. HSHQ only post about it one hour after harry (a digital version)

30.04.22: pap pics of harry and jeff are released from earlier this month. right after the fandom started to talk about their seemingly broken relationship. Pics not used as album promo, they are used to talk about olivia getting served.

05.05.22: harry wears this shirt while out with his manager. When harry wore the “toxic people” shirt everyone said that he was shading ellen so I don’t see why the new one wouldn’t be shade too.

Holivia has been detrimental to harry’s image, yet hshq is not ending it. Do they not care about his image anymore? we all remember how fast they ended hess when she started to show how desperate she was.

Harry’s stalkers situation and his team not doing anything to protect him. he’s still papped around his public house, he’s still pretending to live there, …

All the beards since hendall 1.0 being friends of jeff azoff

Harry being a walking billlboard for full stop and jeff’s friends’ businesses or his beards’ businesses: remember that one time he got papped in london when it was freezing and he was only wearing a full stop shirt? (03.03.18)

#masterpost #masterposts #timelines #hshq #narratives

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pegging1d · 2 years

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Babygate Timeline

Not going to lie this timeline with date and stuff actually confused me...which is telling 😂 so i’m sorry if i get some things wrong. (I’m going based off what was reported) also it helps people out who weren’t here at the time or has forgotten.

On March 7th 2015 Louis and Eleanor ‘split’ due to Louis constantly being away and they don’t have time for eachother which after 4 years she would be used to.

Articles from The Sun posted that Louis ‘kissed’ a ‘mystery girl’ in a pool on March 14th 2015 at 6:30am and were kissing on and off for 15 minutes and he thought it was Eleanor until she turned around, they said Louis and Eleanor had split 2 weeks prior, 7-14th that was 1 week. Love how hard they were selling the story with specific times, also who paps someone in an inside pool. Also, what was Louis doing swimming at 6:30am.

22nd March 2015, articles confirm that Louis and Eleanor had split, they said it was following the pictures of Louis ‘kissing’ the ‘mystery’ girl, so cheating, but by this point they would have been split for 2 weeks and 2 days (16 days) before the woman. The same day Harry sang ‘I will suvive’ at the concert he was so happy, Louis didn’t seem miserable either.

5th May 2015, Briana and Louis were seen for the first time, she was an unknown LA stylist, to point out she was the main focus with the paps

11th May 2015, we assume from this, the last night of the papped club walks, was when they ‘slept together’ this was the same night that Briana tried to ‘cosy up’ to Louis after noticing the cameras but he pushed her to the side, the paps were heard saying “this one is for the sun”

12th May 2015, a fan account was made for Briana with her full name and where she lived and her job, nobody knew who she was let alone know she was going to be significant. Nobody sets up a fan account for someone that they would just assume was ‘hanging out’ with Louis or never see again.

27th June 2015, Louis and a ‘Mystery Brunette’ (Tamara Bell) were seen at Glastonbury, holding hands. Funny thing is she is Harry’s childhood friend and would also be friends with Louis, when we picked up on it, the whole situation and Tamara disappeared and Louis wasn’t seen with her again (PR)

14th July 2015, The Sun published the pap photo that was “for The Sun” with the headline ‘One Conception’ Louis and Briana have never spoke about this at the time. Briana isn’t a celebrity they could of kept all this secret like many celebrities are capable of doing.

16th July 2016, After The Sun drops the news, Louis throws a doll off stage and shouts “it’s not real” which many claim was foreshadow because he had no reason to randomly say it wasn’t real, it is a doll we can tell the doll isn’t real. Unless he was hinting at something.

4th August 2015, One Direction was on Good Morning America where Louis confirmed the rumors and said he was ‘excited’ about it. All the boys were quiet and awkward, the interviewers delibrately picked on Harry and asked him if he was okay because he was quiet lol, just before the interview there was pictures of Louis crying and Lottie and Lou Teasdale were seen wiping under his eyes with a tissue and re-applying makeup. There were also pictures of Harry touching Louis’ knee almost like it was for ‘comfort’ and more pictures of Louis seemingly stroking Harry’s cheek which if anything proves that their friendship/relationship hasn’t been affected at all.

August, Briana was seen 3 months pregnant but there wasn’t a bump insight, then later the same month she posted with a bump forgetting she had already got papped.

What i will say is i’m not sure where all of these fit in so i am going to mention it here but i am sure sometime after the article dropped a fan had DM’d Briana and asked about the rumors to which she denied and said she wasn’t pregnant or at least she didn’t think so, after 11 weeks she would know, Especially since the press seemed to know before her. She also had it in her head that she was going to marry Louis, her family created (BrianaTomlinson.com, BabyTomlinson.com etc). It was also reported that Briana was a ‘close friend’ of Louis.

September, she attended a 1D concert and she had a bigger bump.

RBB and SBB (plus Freddie Reign’s name foreshadow)

In 2014, a Rainbow Bear was thrown on stage at a 1D concert. It was kept and it later showed up with electrical tape on him, making it a bondage bear. Josh Devine, the band’s drummer took a selfie with it and was capture around the stage, the bear even got it’s own twitter and it’s twitter handle @bondagebear.1d literally advertised on a sign at the concert telling people to follow it.

The posts were just pictures of the bear partying but then it made a reference to Judy Garland who was a gay icon, (talking about watching a Judy Garland film). She was famous in the 50’s and 60’s as a Gay actress, if you were to say that you were a friend of Judy or a friend of Dorothy (the role that she played in Wizard of Oz) it would be code for being gay.

A few days later the account got suspended and the bears weren’t seen again for the rest of the tour, (people say that management might have discovered it)

In 2015, during the band’s last tour the bears make a reappearance but was this time wearing cute outfits, people thought Josh was behind it due to the fact he was feature with the bears before. Then pictures were posted of the bears dressed up as Freddie Mercury.

The next day, another bear appeared, this one was smaller and given the name Sugar Baby Bear (SBB) and the big one was named Rainbow Bonage Bear (RBB)

RBB is then caught reading a book, it is called ‘all you can get is me’ this book uncovers k.d’s deep emotions, it talks about commitment, animal rights which threatened to ruin her career and coming to terms with her sexuality which made her a poster girl for the gay and lesbian community. The boys never acknowledged the bears but they were right in front of them at every concert.

Then there was this picture:

This picture is what made people associate the bears to ‘Larry’, SBB (the small bear) has some Mcdonalds fries while RBB (the bigger bear) has an ice cream, well the day before, Louis was papped at mcdonalds and Harry was papped getting some ice cream. This picture was taken a few days after Louis ‘acknowledged’ the baby for the first time, notice how there is a baby bottle featured in the photo.

The bears them start referencing Judy Garland again, RBB was seen with Blue and Green stickers on it’s boots, they have always been Harry and Louis colours, it’s the ‘larry’ colours.

On the 24th September 2015 bears are dressed up in wedding outfits (brides dress) with a photo of Larry Grayson and it is signed ‘Love Larry’ once the boys came on stage the picture was removed, well, the 28th September is the famous wedding rumors.

October 10th 2015, the bears got a new twitter account with the handle @ rbbsbbofficial, Josh Devine is the first to follow the account but later denies any involvement by this point he is the first person to talk about the bears. Someone then starts taking pictures of the bears in ‘behind the scene’ areas, RBB is stood next to a wall.

October 20th 2015, there is a countdown and the bears then stop coming to the shows.

October 22nd 2015, the boys cancel there first ever show, half an hour after they were suppose to be on stage, it was said that Liam was sick but it was doubted as all the boys had performed while sick before, (broken knee, pucking backstage etc) that same night the music video for perfect is dropped at 2am out of nowhere. Louis then tweets and most likely leaked a song called ‘Home’ which didn’t make it to the last album, the song is widely associated in the fandom as a ‘Larry’ song, as it seems to be about someone discovering their sexuality (“so many nights i thought it over, told myself i kind of liked her but there was something missing in her eyes”) and finding someone who understands you (“still high with a little feeling i see the smile as it starts to creep in it was there i saw it in your eyes”)

October 25th 2015, after the countdown ended, a sign was posted which said ‘Danger, bears are coming out of hibernation’ then that same night the bears were wearing football uniform that both Harry and Louis have openly supported, the bears literally had their own security guards and some very intense green and blue lights were focused on them.

The night after RBB had a photo taken with one of Harry’s childhood friends the FBI’s figured out where the bar was that they were at, Sunset boulevard in Newcastle it was a gay bar. Louis was then seen at a gay bar across the road at a gay district in Newcastle, he made sure everyone knew where he was that night and that is something Louis wouldn’t normally do.

The day after the bears tweeted that they were outside the Newcastle football stadium, this picture is then tweeted in B&W signed and initialed just like what Harry does with his IG, ‘Being fabulous, all day everyday makes me exhausted’ RBB 28/10/15 then during the show there is a certificate for the bears that said “To RBB ‘for being fabulous’ from: SBB 29/10/15 it also looked similar to Harry’s handwriting.

The bears would the appear on twitter every few day and there location would change depending on where the boys were.

On December 3rd, one month before the baby is born and by this time Briana’s cousin Ashley has already DM’d a bunch of Briana stan accounts and asked them to post stolen pregnacy photos and say that they are Briana. RBB appears on stage with a microphone dressed as Freddie Mercury, and the picture is old from the last time in 2014. At this point everyone is confused, 1D were scheduled to perform on James Corden’s carpool karaoke so people thought they were going to perform a Queen song.

A few hours later Josh said in an interview that neither him nor the boy have anything to do with the bears and that it’s fun and the fans read into it to much (if that is the case then why is it all so secret and why can’t they tell us who is really behind the bears)

The day before, for the first time the boys were asked about the bears, they all immediatly stopped what they were doing and became silent, they did all brefly glance at Louis and well i think Niall got whiplash with how quickly he turned his head towards Louis, Harry said that he believes the crew kept it and now it is taped to a scaffolding. Harry kept saying he ‘believes so’. Liam said that he didn’t even know the bears existed but with how obvious the bears were on stage, i doubt that very much.

December 8th 2015, the bears twitter location had changed to Home, soon to return. Harry left LA and arrived in London which then had the location change immediatly and Louis was still in LA, but as soon as Louis got home he tweeted 🏠 emoji. Harry was home, Louis was ‘soon to return’ home and when he is home he tweets a home emoji which was the same emoji used in his tweet about the song ‘home’ which is associated with HL and Louis never tweets about where he is coming and going place, (you can’t make this up).

The next day the location had changed to ‘London’ and we caught Louis’ reflection in the glasses of RBB so since then the bears glasses have been blurred, when fans realised the picture was then taken down.

December 12, there was another mention of Judy Garland, everyone thought by this point that Judy Garland was probably just the bears go to icon, until they looked at some of her songs: “i’m just wild about Harry” and “skip to my lou-”

December 18th 2015, the bears tweeted a photo of them putting a CD into the DVD player. In the top left corner of the photo there is a book by Bette Davis with a library sticker on it that says HCPL (Holmes Chapel Public Library) Harry’s home town. The book is all about Media Manipulation.

The was a picture for christmas of the bears, a christmas card made an appearance where some handwriting on it looks simular to Louis. During this time Briana posted a photo of her baby bump, 2 days later a family member posts a picture from the same day and her belly is completely flat, not a belly in sight, you could even see her arms on the other side when she was sat down which if she had an 8 month pregnacy belly and she was sat down from the side you wouldn’t be able to see her arm on the other side but you could, absolutly flat.

RBB then changed their icon to George Michael in a jacket he wore in 90’s freedom from his album ‘faith’. By now, we should know who George Michael is but if not then he was a singer forced to hide his sexuality most of his life and sued his label SONY due to a contract is said was slavery. Then a photo of RBB was taken outside a pub, with a huge sign behind him saying ‘Freedom’ it was taken at bears house inn, which was 5 minutes away from holmes chapel.

January 21st 2016, Louis ‘son’ is born, Freddie Reign, (Freddie as in Mercury and Reign as in Reign to the throne - Queen) someone DM’d Briana asking when the baby was born and she said 20th January, Louis then tweeted on the 23rd that his son was born ‘yesterday’ meaning the 22nd. The photo that Briana and Austin had of the baby look different to the picture that Ruth Clark (Brett’s mum) posted with the baby one of the babies was tinier. Briana’s nail polish changed colour over night and they stole birthing photos from a mommy blog, there was picture of Brett sneaking around (why sneaking?) with two bouquet of flowers, if this child was acually through IVF and is Brett and Tammi’s (he is) then the two bouquet of flowers could be for, the surrogate and Tammi. Brett and Tammi where having a hug looking super happy, could be that they had become grandparents so they were hugging or it could be that they are the parents, Tammi was the one in sweats while Briana was in make up, ripped jeans and carrying the carrier, (why was she dressed so nice after ‘having a baby’ did she know the cameras were there?)

February 1st 2016 all the boys officially left modest and it is Harry’s 22nd birthday, later the bears tweeted a picture of them with a chocolate cake an the number 22 candles, then they were shown with the cake all over them (like they had eaten it) this was the first time RBB was seen without his glasses (not counting 2014) and the first time SBB wasn’t tide to string. The smashing of the cake could also be a reference to 2011 at the G.A.Y club when Louis had a cake smashed all over him.

Also the bears are now dirty so they would have to be washed, which goes back to 2014 ‘laundry day’ the same year Harry tweeted about it all ‘coming out in the wash’ which is probably what it was referenced.

3rd/4th February 2016, Louis said he doesn’t need to take a paternity test because he believed her (she did say that she slept with someone else around the same time)

February 2016, didn’t seek in custody battle, made arrangements between them

12th February 2016 the bears account was deleted.

Freddie was papped 4 times in his first week of life, walking out of hospital, doctors, the beach everywhere.

4th April 2016, Louis was papped in LA with his mum, stepdad, Freddie, Danielle, his grandad, Ernest and Doris. The twins has there faces blurred but Freddie didn’t.

Throughout the year, they exchanged the kid in a PRIVATE parking lot where they were PAPPED, Briana’s mum Tammi and Stepdad Brett were also at some of these exchanges.

New year/Jan 2017, Louis and Danielle split

Louis and Eleanor get back together

Louis is papped on exchanges at parking lots again

Last public interation, Brett hugs Oli and they hand Freddie over

Louis sells his LA house

Someone asked one of Louis’ twin sisters how old Freddie is on a live and she said 2 in February (his birthday is January)

Briefly speaks about him during interview for his music in 2018, they ask him what his first words are and he starts by saying “i know he isn’t a dog but...” then he says it was a mix between ‘mummy and daddy’.

On the Xfactor 2018, Simon mentions children and Louis makes an excuse to leave. Louis says “all my friends are getting married and having children and i’m here like what do i do” (in other words he has totally forgot he has a child)

2019

They ask Louis what Freddie went as for halloween last year, he said a pumpkin. No he didn’t he went as a pumpkin when he was one, in 2018 he went as a pirate. They told Louis that Freddie looked like him, Louis said he did when he was a baby (all baby’s look the same) but Freddie doesn’t look like him so much now (his words)

On Freddie’s birthday, Louis was seen in Copenhagan, when asked about this birthday in an interview they asked him about the cake and Louis said he got him a big one (he wasn’t there)

One week before, Father’s day, Joe Jungwirth (Briana’s dad) said that Louis never sees Freddie and he is a ‘deadbeat’ father who starved Briana of money and it was Briana who raised him for the past 4 years (in other words Louis isn’t that childs father) he also said Freddie’s first word was ‘Dada’ (Louis said it was ‘mummy’ and ‘ daddy’) She followed Louis on IG but he didn’t follow Briana back.

Father’s day, Briana mentions it for the first time ever and posts a photoshopped picture the day of the birth, (it is now archived) Louis never said anything, he hasn’t since 2017. Freddie was with the Clarks that day because of a picture posted and Louis might have been in doncaster that day due to a voice that sounded like him in Calvin’s IG.

He hasn’t spoken or mentioned Freddie since Jan/Feb 2020

Things to remember:

Freddie has called Tammi and Brett ‘Mommy’ and ‘daddy’

Family friends have said that Freddie is Brett’s ‘mini me’ and Austin’s twin

Freddie and Austin have been called ‘brothers’ numerous times

Freddie had been photographed and papped for the past 4 years

Louis can’t get facts right about Freddie

Louis has not proper memories of Freddie after 2017

Harry banned Briana and Ashley from his show (why would he do that?)

Louis has NEVER spoken about Briana or her family ever.

Briana has recently unfollowed Louis (and archived that photo)

Brett’s grandma responded to a comment about Louis being gay saying “so? Why does it matter”

Louis’ sister always used very old photos of Freddie the only ‘new’ ones are for Tammi and Briana’s account.

Louis doesn’t follow Briana on IG where pictures are of his kid but recently followed Harry who he “isn’t friends with anymore” because we “ruined” their friendship.

During the bears, they had a phone during a concert with a number on it, fans were texting the bears and they had messages come up on the phone such as ‘larry is real x’

Everything comes back to Harry, Louis was seen holding hands with Harry’s friend, the interviewer aske Harry if he was ok after the baby confirmation, Harry banned B and A from his concert, Louis mentioned about Manchester being the inspiration for “We Made It” because of his girlfriend, Liam said Manchester is Harry’s hometown. Also...

Who did Louis share a single bed with...

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here’s my babgate: cool way to go insane powerpoint. it’s uploaded to google drive as a pdf, which means the videos i embedded in it are… not going to play. other than that, everything should work fine :)

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SO YOU’RE TELLING ME THAT THEY WOULD HAVE EVERYONE BELIEVE…

1. Louis knocked up someone he wasn’t dating, who happened to be part of an organised pap shot

2. Louis remained completely silent on the claims until GMA and his only words were

3. Father to be continues clubbing, taking home various girls, smoking weed, and generally carrying on with his carefree, laddy-lad single life

4. Nothing more is said about the baby, with many reporters claiming that it is a blacklisted topic during MITAM promo

5. Literally no-one, from his large, child-loving family to his child-loving bandmate, Harry Styles, has said a word about this baby. They have nothing to say about this?

6. Up until hours before this birth, Louis is parading around with a new girlfriend while his baby mama is going through this entire pregnancy by herself, without Louis ever saying her name or acknowledging her as the mother his child.

7. Louis went to see the birth of his son and then immediately thought, you know what would make this life event even better? Sunglasses.

8. An update account claims that Louis, on the evening of the birth of his first child, decides to go clubbing in West Hollywood. The Sun claims that Louis is now a “devoted dad” since he attended the birth because apparently all men have to do is show up to be a devoted father. After straight up blanking questions about the baby hours earlier, Louis tweets that the baby has been born and then minutes later One Direction’s official account tweets about The Brits

9. Because one tweet about fatherhood isn’t enough after nine months of almost complete silence, Louis (apparently still clubbing in West Hollywood) tweets “Daddy daddy cool” followed by a string of smiley faces, still neglecting to mention the mother and still not having said any actual words out of his face about this child.

…Keep calm indeed.

While stories of Louis’ philanthropy and his love for children have been buried over the past year as claims that he is a womanising, deadbeat father have run rampant, it is clear that there has been a steady and aggressive attempt at complete character assassination. If Louis was actually the kind of person who would act this way, no publicist in their right mind would let a word of that go around the media and yet One Direction’s management has been downright negligent in the handling of Louis Tomlinson’s image.

Why, as One Direction is beginning a hiatus, would they focus so much negative energy on Louis? With rumours that One Direction are leaving Syco, it almost seems like the kind of attack one would make on someone who isn’t your client, like someone who could be competition. Someone who started their own record label last January…

Would you really put it past Simon Cowell to try and destroy someone in such a manner?

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MP - Babygate Resources

Hey! I was trying to find a mp with all the basic things about baby gate but I couldn’t find one, so I create this one with all the basic things about it; some of the blogs were deactivated so all the links are rbs that I’ve done.

Terminology, Concepts and Abbreviations x @louismyantidote

BABYGATE

What is BBG? x @28nachos

Babygate in general Terms x @ziamscolours

Analysis @obviouslygenuinely

Bbg Faq x @verily-i-say

BBG Powerpoint x @rosesau

BBG MASTERPOSTS

by @tellmethisisnotlove actual @tellmethisisnottumblisnextfuckup

Part 1 - Introduction Party!Boy Louis

Part 2 - Foreshadowing babygate

Part 3 - The announcement and the reactions.

Part 4 - Those few who DID speak up until the birth

Part 5 - Louis during babygate (until the birth)

Part 6 - The bum that changed size, dimensions and disappeared.

TIMELINES

TMZ Timeline x @tellmethisisnottumblisnextfuckup

BBG Timeline x @princesspark2011

PATERNITY TEST / CUSTODY

Part 1 x @28nachos

Part 2 x @hazlouquitefinished

IF YOU BELIEVE IN BBG

If you believe you CAN’T… x @thestrongestlarrie

You’re contradicting yourself if… x @skepticalarrie

PHOTOSHOP

Videos x // x // x

Photos x // x // x // x

EXTRAS

The Inconsistent Stunt x @larrieshomelat

Why…? x @theirstoryofevents

The Players x @28nachos

Some… x @tellmethisisnottumblisnextfuckup

The fake birth certificate x @lovemylarents

The name ‘Freddie’ x @sexatoxbridge

Tamara Bell x @theystudyrainbows

Boobiegate x @billiejeanenthusiast

“This is for The Sun, bro”

Gif x @quietasides

Video x @larrieshomelat

Sunglas Hut x @theystudyrainbows

*I’ll be updating this if I find something else important*

VERSIÓN EN ESPAÑOL

Updated - 11/02/21

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RBB & SBB for Dummies

This post is meant to be a concise, chronological explanation of the rainbow bears. It doesn’t go in depth on minute details, but rather shows HUGE clues and how the bears progressed to where they are now and why people link them to Louis and Harry. This is the post you show your friends and family members when they ask why you’re crying at 2 AM.

AGAIN: This post doesn’t include EVERY Rbb tweet/picture, only the most relevant ones necessary for explaining why they’re important and why people believe Louis and Harry run them.

Thank you to everyone whose posts have contributed to this post!

Updated August 27, 2016

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Tellmethisisnotlove’s biggest tags aka thank you WayBackMachine

aka you cannot remove piss from the ocean, even if you tried.

Babygate tags here.

LARRY STILL GOING STRONG:

BIGGEST LARRIE (scroll for more larry tags) – ALWAYS THERE – SAME EVERYTHING - EVERYONE KNOWS – TOMLINSONSTYLES – STILL THE ONE – LIVING SITUATIONS - HARRY ABOUT LOUIS – LOUIS ABOUT HARRY

FOR DOUBTERS/NON–BELIEVERS:

COINCIDENCES - DOUBTERS TAG – LIVING IN DENIAL – THEY ARE NOT JUST FRIENDS – THEY NEVER BROKE UP – ANYONE BUT LOUIS – LARRY STARTER PACK

FOR NEWCOMERS:

LARRY STARTER PACK – NEWCOMERS – CONVERSION STORIES

CSI LARRY STYLINSON:

LOOKS: SUBTLE LOOK LOUIS –SUBTLE LOOK HARRY – SUBTLE LOUIS – SUBTLE HARRY– SUBTLE BOYFRIENDS

TOUCHES: SUBTLE TOUCH LOUIS – SUBTLE TOUCH HARRY – WHEN YOU CAN’T TOUCH– SUBTLE TOUCHES AND LOOKS – TOUCHING BOYFRIENDS – HANDHOLDING – LARRY KISS – LARRY HUG – LARRY KISSPER – LARRY WHISPER – BOYFRIENDS

DOMESTICITY: DOMESTIC LOUIS – DOMESTIC HARRY – DOMESTIC BOYFRIENDS

PROTECTIVENESS: PROTECTIVE LOUIS – PROTECTIVE HARRY SUPPORTIVE: SUPPORTIVE LOUIS – SUPPORTIVE HARRY – SUPPORTIVE BOYFRIENDS

TEASING: DON’T TEASE HARRY AROUND LOUIS – HARRY TEASING LOUIS – LOUIS TEASING HARRY – LARRY AND SPORTS

DREAM TEAM: DREAM TEAM

BANTER/INTERACTIONS: INTERACTING BOYFRIENDS – LOUIS IS THE FUNNIEST – HARRY IS THE FUNNIEST

JEALOUSY: JEALOUS LOUIS – JEALOUS HARRY – JEALOUS BOYFRIENDS

FOND: FOND LOUIS – FOND HARRY

ALWAYS WATCHING: WHERE IS MY SHIP – WHERE IS MY COMPASS – HEY YOU DISAPPEARED

LIVING SITUATION: LIVING SITUATION – HOUSE IN LA

SAME EVERYTHING: SHARING IS CARING – MIA AT THE SAME TIME – SICK AT THE SAME TIME – THIRSTY AT THE SAME TIME – WEE BREAKS – SAME PLANE – SAME CAR– SAME FRIENDS – SAME THEME SONGS – SAME ROOM – RIDER – SAME HOTEL ROOM – SAME HOTEL – NEXT TO YOU

MIRRORING/MORPHING: SAME PERSON – MIRRORS – SAME EVERYTHING

TATTOOS: LARRY TATTOOS – CSI TATTOOS – NAUTICAL

SOCIAL MEDIA: TWITTER LARRY

THEIR FAMILIES: TOMLINSONSTYLES

CONCERTS: LYRIC CHANGES – SERENADE – AFTER YOU – ALL HIS LITTLE THINGS – WATCHING EACH OTHER ON THE BIG SCREENS

LARRY BEING EXTRA: L – STILL THE ONE – ONLY YOU – NOTHING CHANGED – SIZE DIFFERENCE – BLUE – GREEN – BLUE AND GREEN – BLUE BANDANA – LARRY SONGS – LARRY AND KIDS – LARRY AND LOVE – LARRY AND FATE – GOOFING LARRY– LARRY NICKNAMES – WATCHING EACH OTHER ON MONITORS – LEFT SIDE RIGHT SIDE – VIBEY– CHICKEN WRAPPED IN PARMA HAM… – WHO RUNS RBB

18+: LIPBITING HARRY – BRUISES – SEXUALLY FRUSTRATED LOUIS – SEXUALLY FRUSTRATED HARRY – SEX

DENIALS: DENIALS LARRY EDITION

RECEIPTS: LARRY RECEIPTS – LARRY DATE – LARRY VIDEOS

BEGINNING: X FACTOR LARRY – FIRSTS – I MET YOU IN THE TOILET

INSIDERS: EVERYONE KNOWS IN THE INDUSTRY – OUTINGS – CAPTAIN NIALL – CAPTAIN LIAM – CAPTAIN ZAYN– COMING OUT TO FAMILY – LOTTIE KNOWS – FIZZY KNOWS

OUTSIDERS: EVERYONE ELSE IN THE ROOM CAN SEE IT

FUTURE: RINGS – HOME – MARRIAGE – LARRY WEDDING – LARRY FUTURE – EVEN AS YOUNG AS YOU ARE – HAPPY ENDING

FANDOM STUFF/HEADCANONS: AU – WHAT IFS – CSI FANDOM – LARRY TIMELINE

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Tellmethisisnotlove’s biggest tags aka thank you WayBackMachine

aka you cannot remove piss from the ocean, even if you tried.

Babygate tags here.

LARRY STILL GOING STRONG:

BIGGEST LARRIE (scroll for more larry tags) – ALWAYS THERE – SAME EVERYTHING - EVERYONE KNOWS – TOMLINSONSTYLES – STILL THE ONE – LIVING SITUATIONS - HARRY ABOUT LOUIS – LOUIS ABOUT HARRY

FOR DOUBTERS/NON–BELIEVERS:

COINCIDENCES - DOUBTERS TAG – LIVING IN DENIAL – THEY ARE NOT JUST FRIENDS – THEY NEVER BROKE UP – ANYONE BUT LOUIS – LARRY STARTER PACK

FOR NEWCOMERS:

LARRY STARTER PACK – NEWCOMERS – CONVERSION STORIES

CSI LARRY STYLINSON:

LOOKS: SUBTLE LOOK LOUIS –SUBTLE LOOK HARRY – SUBTLE LOUIS – SUBTLE HARRY– SUBTLE BOYFRIENDS

DOMESTICITY: DOMESTIC LOUIS – DOMESTIC HARRY – DOMESTIC BOYFRIENDS

PROTECTIVENESS: PROTECTIVE LOUIS – PROTECTIVE HARRY SUPPORTIVE: SUPPORTIVE LOUIS – SUPPORTIVE HARRY – SUPPORTIVE BOYFRIENDS

TEASING: DON’T TEASE HARRY AROUND LOUIS – HARRY TEASING LOUIS – LOUIS TEASING HARRY – LARRY AND SPORTS

DREAM TEAM: DREAM TEAM

BANTER/INTERACTIONS: INTERACTING BOYFRIENDS – LOUIS IS THE FUNNIEST – HARRY IS THE FUNNIEST

JEALOUSY: JEALOUS LOUIS – JEALOUS HARRY – JEALOUS BOYFRIENDS

FOND: FOND LOUIS – FOND HARRY

ALWAYS WATCHING: WHERE IS MY SHIP – WHERE IS MY COMPASS – HEY YOU DISAPPEARED

LIVING SITUATION: LIVING SITUATION – HOUSE IN LA

MIRRORING/MORPHING: SAME PERSON – MIRRORS – SAME EVERYTHING

TATTOOS: LARRY TATTOOS – CSI TATTOOS – NAUTICAL

SOCIAL MEDIA: TWITTER LARRY

THEIR FAMILIES: TOMLINSONSTYLES

CONCERTS: LYRIC CHANGES – SERENADE – AFTER YOU – ALL HIS LITTLE THINGS – WATCHING EACH OTHER ON THE BIG SCREENS

18+: LIPBITING HARRY – BRUISES – SEXUALLY FRUSTRATED LOUIS – SEXUALLY FRUSTRATED HARRY – SEX

DENIALS: DENIALS LARRY EDITION

RECEIPTS: LARRY RECEIPTS – LARRY DATE – LARRY VIDEOS

BEGINNING: X FACTOR LARRY – FIRSTS – I MET YOU IN THE TOILET

INSIDERS: EVERYONE KNOWS IN THE INDUSTRY – OUTINGS – CAPTAIN NIALL – CAPTAIN LIAM – CAPTAIN ZAYN– COMING OUT TO FAMILY – LOTTIE KNOWS – FIZZY KNOWS

OUTSIDERS: EVERYONE ELSE IN THE ROOM CAN SEE IT

FUTURE: RINGS – HOME – MARRIAGE – LARRY WEDDING – LARRY FUTURE – EVEN AS YOUNG AS YOU ARE – HAPPY ENDING

FANDOM STUFF/HEADCANONS: AU – WHAT IFS – CSI FANDOM – LARRY TIMELINE

#masterposts #link collection

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I so need a Larry receipt like this today!!

#receipts

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Yes, Of Course, Always

This was sent to me by a (”beautiful, intelligent” there, I covered you!) source. I took out the parts that would reveal too much in terms of identity. Enjoy:

“_” met them the first time when they made an appearance at an event in late 2013. Harry was very sweet, personally looked for “_”, introduced himself and confessed his admiration about both “_”’s professional and personal achievements. He said that he was eager to follow his steps as soon as he could and openly talked about Louis and mentioned they had been together for 3 years (so since 2010).

Next time “_” ran into Harry in LA, at a private party of a common friend. Harry was in a very good mood, said things were fine and had recently come back from a birthday trip in Cuba (or Jamaica, “_” was not sure) with friends and boyfriend.

[It was Jamaica. x x]

”_” is probably the most reserved person in the world, you wouldn’t believe, but he said that Harry had been so cute and open hearted the previous time that he didn’t want to sound disinterested and jokingly asked if it was still the same boyfriend of the last time. Apparently Harry was a little taken aback, then smiled fondly and hurried “yes, of course, always” (which, ❤️❤️❤️).

Finally, “_” casually met both Harry and Louis last fall in London while having a private dinner out with his own boyfriend. They just said hello and exchanged brief talks before parting ways.

#receipts

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So I was emailing a friend last night from work where I volunteer. And she had a story to tell me. I texted her a few questions afterwards just to clear things up a bit. She is giving me permission to post, and the friend who told her what happened also said it was okay, and that she didn’t mention the year just in case but you can assume when it was by “four years”. Also, she uses my birth name here, because I’m not out to everyone, just keep in mind. The blacked out parts in the second pic (third and fourth email) are about work so I didn’t want to include it. Names are protected for reasons, as I know both person A and B to some extent. *ignore any spelling errors. It was very late last night*

#receipts

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The Larry Stylinson Timeline by CosmicLeeds

This is a collection of the video series The Larry Stylinson Timeline by @cosmicleeds. This series is one of the best crash courses to Larry you can get. Required viewing for all new larries, in my humble opinion. It is painstakingly accurate yet very watchable. The evidentiary version of fimq if you will! (pour one out for fimq, we miss you)

The series consists of 11 videos; one for each year from 2010 to 2020. I will insert the 2010 video here and the link the rest below it as Tumblr only allows one video per post.

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Video 2: The Larry Stylinson Timeline 2011 (38:48)

Video 3: The Larry Stylinson Timeline 2012 (26:10)

Video 4: The Larry Stylinson Timeline 2013 (27:52)

Video 5: The Larry Stylinson Timeline 2014 (24:39)

Video 6: The Larry Stylinson Timeline 2015 (45.59)

Video 7: The Larry Stylinson Timeline 2016 (24:16)

Video 8: The Larry Stylinson Timeline 2017 (32:03)

Video 9: The Larry Stylinson Timeline 2018 (18:28)

Video 10: The Larry Stylinson Timeline 2019 (15:53)

Video 11: The Larry Stylinson Timeline 2020 (27:01)

#addition #timelines #masterposts #videos #Youtube

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Really unpopular opinion: I don't exactly care about harry saying that ws it's about female orgasm. Obviously, when you put in the public narrative about him being straight and a womanizer the situation gets bad, but we can't be sure(not that it is possible to know exactly how the person labels themselves without that person talking)about him not being attracted to women. I obviously don't believe in any of his public relationships or random women who talk about sleeping with him, but I don't see it as impossible for him to be attracted to women so for me it was something that just maybe correspond to his sexuality.

Still on that subject, I don't understand why the fandom, at least from my experience that is a few years, is so reluctant about them being attracted to women.

*Before anyone brings this up, I don't think they cheated on each other or actually dated their public girlfriends.*

Regarding the “female orgasm” comment, I think people were mostly upset by it. The purpose of it didn’t sound like it had anything to do with his sexuality but rather how it was presented. It was really unexpected and out of character for Harry to comment on it, especially during a show. He was fidgety and awkward and mumbled through it. The whole moment was just weird and uncomfortable. I also think some people found it inappropriate to say during a show where young fans were present.

Up until that point, Harry had never confirmed WS was about oral sex with a female. And suddenly, during a tour where fans were encouraged to bring signs at shows that showcased sexual harassment, the “female orgasm” is suddenly mentioned. Harry’s current fandom is fuelled by fans who are obsessed with the sex-crazed narrative HSHQ has been stirring up since 2017. He basically “confirmed” it to an arena filled with them. The comment didn’t feel like a statement about his sexuality and expression like Medicine does; it felt like a quota to be filled to guarantee money in someones pockets. That’s why fans don’t think it was genuine.

To be fair if we want to discuss Harry or Louis being bi, I’d like to bring up the fact that multi-gender attraction is NEVER brought up when discussing Louis sexuality. When he’s technically the only one who has dated a woman in his private life. We don’t see it as impossible for Harry to be attracted to women either, but maybe consider the narrative and public perception at hand. There is a reason individuals brand Harry as bi daddy and Louis as a gay twink. It comes down to fans (Harries and some Larries) WANTING him to be available to women, and wanting Louis to be submissive to men and feminized. If you actually consider the kind of LGBTQ+ media/art/writing (specifically) Harry engages with, it is often related to mlm rather than related to multi-gender attraction. Fans (who believe Harry is gay and attracted to men) consider these long-standing aspects when acknowledging or discussing his sexuality. I’d check out this excellent post by @tellmethisisnottumblisnextfuckup.

Fans are not reluctant about HL being attracted to women. A lot of them believe they likely not attracted to women due to their public perception (surrounding women), their closets (where their ‘parters’ are women, not men), and their many failed PR stunts with women. It is simply not bi-erasure to consider that they haven’t shown any actual interest in women. A lot of what people in the fandom claim as biphobia actually isn’t, and they give actual biphobia a free pass.

As a bisexual person myself, I was initially invested in the idea of Harry sharing my identity. And he very well could, we can’t be positive one way or the other. However, I came to the realization that my investment in the idea of Harry being bi (why never Louis?) was largely because of the demand of his public image that he be sexually available to women. An image that has been pushed since the boy was merely 16. Unpacking that as a fan is vital no matter what you think he might identify as!

#harry's sexuality #harry's music #narratives

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