Just finished rewatching Ep 06 with Kenya and watching the Echelon briefing again had my brain firing and I wanted to just share and get your thoughts? Because youāve been so prolific with the commentary so far Iām hoping you can help me tell if Iām onto something or nah.
1. Rick was testing Thorne when he came back and she failed. And we think she said that thing about changing her mind on giving up especially because the upper Echelon would get to save people they love. She saw this as her path to getting back that person she lost.
2. So many people are saying Okafur was just as bad as Beale or a bad guy full stop and I completely disagree. This man bombed his own wife rather than kill a city. He was in deep but Iāll bet the MOMENT he got that briefing, it did not take and he started planning. He killed himself inside just like Rick you could see it in his performance he was half a person. He knew he could not have been the sword/bomb. He became the shield. He kept Rick alive. To save the world from the CRM. That is not evil or anything like Beale IMO. Itās very gray but I donāt mind gray in this universe. He found his sword/bomb in Rick and was not giving that up, he would say what he had to to get Rick to Bealeās desk ā it was a one time shot because of how long it took (theyāre reading up on the Cold War man come on) ā and even threatening Michonne that one time, he was saying āIām lost, they got me, I canāt get close enough but YOU CAN.ā He knew that if his plan worked Michonne and Rickās family would be safe anyway. He also knew the value of Rick propaganda just like Beale thatās why he said āyou already have the powerā because Rick had power Okafur could never. His story of bombing his wife was a good one but Rickās? Invaluable. So instead of dropping a bomb on his wife, he dropped Rick (and Michonne unknowingly) on the CRM. To be honest I donāt even think he thought Pearl was an A, but knew he could use her to keep an eye on Rick. And itās not like he planned to die. He likely would have done exactly what Rick and Michonne did with the Republic if he couldāve lived to stand next to them after. They would see Okafur coming (Beale did sort of but the temptation of Rick was too juicy for Beale to resist so he let that bomb get closer and closer and when it didnāt blow up in his face right away he accepted the gift).
3. What you said about Beale is so spot on. Everything he said in that briefing gave it all away. He killed his past to become king of the mountain and REALLY THOUGHT he was gonna be a dictator because of his B program and Rickās loyalty. He keeps saying āIā - he alone made moves. HE decided on civil war in Philly. HE decided the answer to 1 million strong Walker hoards was to seize the opportunity and make himself a world out of the old one. But that wasnāt conviction. It was cowardice. Beale hates himself. Likely a product of his fatherās abuse. He spent years in the military trying not to hate himself but he failed. Now he gets to fashion a world that accepts him, looks up to him, and has no idea who he used to be/hate. But our baby boy Rick took him down so easy because Rick ACTUALLY HAS CONVICTION. Hell yeah he got taken down in disbelief, an elderly military guy who likely hasnāt actually had to fight since he became a military leader before the turn. Hell yeah Rick ran him through with his own fraudulent sword, because heās a weak coward facing off with a man who chopped off his own damn hand just for love.
Ok I know thatās all a word salad but I hope I make some sense?
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Iāll try this in points like you did:
1. Thatās an interesting point and I did kind of see it - though in Ep 04/05 he says to Michonne āsheās one of themā, and theyāre even like gossiping about how hard she was going for the CRM. So yeah, I think he knew where he stood with Thorne, but also maybe hoped that there was some room for him to maneuver (or maybe he was trying to figure out how much room). But ofc she failed terribly.
2. I have posted some thoughts on Okafor and Iām actually working on a post re:his relationship with Power (compare-contesting with Bealeās - the books that the show decides to label them with are RICH in meaning), so Iāll be returning to this, but I guess the TL;DR is: Beale was broken before the apocalypse, while Okafor was broken by the apocalypse. They landed in the same place coming from essentially opposite trajectories, but their final meeting point remains the same. Intentions and their own personal narratives (the ones they tell themselves) aside, they do land side by side. So yes, degrees of evil, and incidental evil, but stillā¦Iām much less confident that he would have gone with Michonneās plan. Iām still working on the other post, but I will point out that Munenori and Ueshiba (the authors referenced by Beale and Okafor respectively) were both traditionalists, and Ueshiba very much a nationalist.
3. Ooh I like the bit about conviction because I do think Beale had āconvictionā meaning he was convinced of his own greatness? But the rest was all bullshit so consciously or unconsciously he was standing on a sand castle. Meanwhile Rick like you said, he had the realest most solid of motivations. And (you know, cause Iām me) from a historical/institutional pov, we know these fellows are cowardice personified so I love that detail too, because itās very true to life.
Rick Grimesās TOWL journey and George Orwell P1:
āWe are the deadā is my favourite quote from 1984. Itās stayed with me through the years because to me, itās such a perfect distillation, a sort of shorthand for what Big Brother and the Party were trying to accomplish: reshape humans into empty vessels to be filled with ā¦whatever the regime chose to pour into them.
There are real life parallels to this - I keep referencing Pinochet in my posts and maybe this is why: every time I think of that coup, I think of Victor Jara, of how Roberto Saviano likes to frame the story of Jara as effective activism (and a threat to the Pinochetist vision) precisely because how his music prioritised personal and emotional connections, and fascism canāt abide by that. Your life, your loyalty must belong to the leader. To the cause.
Theyāre not gone, we are Thorne says to Rick, and that becomes the theme of the show. Who exactly are the ones who live? What does it mean at the end of the world, when itās all said and done, to really live? The show keeps pushing Rick to answer this question over and over and over -six episodes in a row.
At the top of Episode 01, we find Rick in a tug of war between two opposing forces: his humanity (Michonne, his children, his community), and the demands of CRM. And listen, props to the guy, he holds. I mean, the hand thing is really the least (though most visceral thing) he does. But by Episode 04 itās clear heās been fighting it out in his mind and resisting the break for eight fucking years (like. Respect ok? I get depressed when the sun doesnāt come out for a week!). Itās a kind of staggering feat (more than killing a dude with his teeth) that he lasted as long and as well as he did, when he could have blamelessly given up -but itās the strength of his yearning and love for his family that sustains him, and ultimately itās the very real fear that his family will be put in danger that lets the CRM side win out.
BUT!!! the show does this amazing, incredibly beautiful thing that is even more noticeable in retrospect: through the episodes we see the burning motif, as Rick clings to the idea that by following his fathers footsteps and doing something terrible, something good can come out. But what the character seems unaware of is this: unlike his dad (who was clearly an asshole and a dumbass and I will happily go into why on a whole other post so maybe donāt ask me), unlike Okafor who killed his wife, unlike Beale who burned down his whole city, Rick will only put himself in the chopping block -heāll burn himself, heāll maim, kill himself, but he will not risk his wife, his family or even this new strange city as it turns out.
Heās happy to go zombie-like along with whatever right until Michonne shows up. Episode 03, right off the bat heās out to con Thorne, lie to Beale, deal with Jadisā¦heāll beg borrow or steal, heāll murder, anything to make sure Michonne is safe and makes it out alive. Because his life he can give up on, his humanity (through Michonne and the children), not so much.
I learned how to be dead and keep on living. Having the beloved main guy on a show about zombies say thatā¦if he had been bit, it would have been less heartbreaking. What does it mean to live? When you canāt even look at your wife, hold her without your breath catching in fear; when the news of a new child makes your blood run cold. How do you live like that? You canāt come here and make me feel alive againā¦What if she catches fire like in his dreams? What if they all do? Heās so terrified of losing them that heāll endure anything to maintain even just the fiction of their well-being. Because (thank you show, I love you show) heās NOT Okafor and he is NOT his father.
Me at Scottās and Danaiās and Andyās doors begging them for more: You canāt just leave us like that. I donāt even want a story. Just get together and film some scenes of what live at the Grimesā is like now. It doesnāt have to follow a big narrative arc or anything. But I do need to see it. What type of activities and the likes does Rick do to spend time with his kids and get to know them? What does Michonne do to āmake upā for the year she missed? How do they adjust to being now a 4 person household? Where is it seamless? Where do they struggle a bit? How does Rick occupy his kids when he needs some alone time with his wife (that man is not done, ok lol)? Rick being the most attentive and present father to be there has ever been during Michonneās pregnancy (listen, sheās already pregnant, itās not up for debate lol). What incredible heartstopping declarations of love does Rick keep dropping on Michonne? What little gifts does he keep finding for her? I need to see all of this and so much more. PLEAAAAASE. Who do I need to bribe??? What do I need to do??
This is why the world needs fanfiction writers šš I hope all the richonne fanfic writers don't go back into hiding again. Now is when we need them the most!!!
The most disappointing thing about Thorne was her hypocrisy. She kissed and pledged allegiance to the sword. Iām assuming the offer Beale gave to Rick, allocating resources to bringing back loved ones was the same given to Thorne. I donāt understand how Thorne can hear the echelon briefsļæ¼, along with the plan to gas Portland and kidnapping the children and still be ok with everything the CRM was doing. Guessing Thornes age, Iām assuming she was around during apartheid. Youād think her bullshit radar would be higher. I donāt understand her motivations.
This is a broad ask, but since I did make a crack about book lists on my notes about Thorne, gonna assume itās about that and go with it.
First of all, I always rec Ecoās Ur-fascism l, which is a great meditation on the topic. Also J.M. Bergerās Extremism is a bit more academic but very very short and a solid intro to how Extreme movements build and recruit.
A bit more in the weeds maybe, but Berger also wrote something recently on The Five Dystopian Narratives which gets to the heart of the Echelon briefing myth making in-universe: essentially a narrative meant to activate and mobilise the new recruits by making them the āchose onesā, and providing a vision of the world that could possibly end well if only they would do their part.
On the topic of fascism among military officers/vets, Katheryn Belew has been on this beat for -well over ten years now, Jesus. Her book Bring The War Home is fairly short, very accessible, but still well-researched and rigorous.
Relatedly, if youāre into podcasts, Leah Sotileās Two Minutes Past Nine (BBC4) ties into Belewās work by exploring the Oklahoma City bombings, which were perpetrated by an accelerationist who some people would like to forget was also a vet. And if youāre more into documentaries, āAgainst All Enemiesā goes also into it from a different angle (I wasnāt a fan of the framing but if it gives people stuff to work with, who am I to complain).
More generally, on fascism, Ruth Ben Ghiat has been writing about it since before it was cool (literally more than 20 years), and her book Strongmen does a nice roundup of fascist leaders from across the world - itās very accessible by design, as it was meant for a general audience not academics (as it should be because clearly more people need to read about this stuff). She also wrote a textbook on Italian Fascism if thatās more your speed. Brian Klassās Corruptible is a survey along the same lines as Ben-Ghiatās Strongmen, so I should add.
And finally, may seem like a weird tangent, but given that what the CRM was proposing to do is comparable to our own North Korea (and they were already in effect holding the city hostage), I have to drop a mention for Anna Fifieldās The Great Successor.
Iāve scene weirdos complaining about Rj being useless and not being a badass like his father. Iām glad RJās not like that. of course Rick would want for Judith, RJ, and other children to be capable (letās me honest, michonne is definitely pregnant again). But he wouldnāt want them to be unfeeling sociopaths. The theme over and over again has been thereās strength in empathy. at this point, why do some of these people watch the twd/ towl in the first place? theyāre purposely missing important themes.
Any hope of me getting sleep is out the window (Iām literally drinking coffee right now) so letās talk about how that ending shows what a spectacular mum Michonne is, yeah?
Judith āI didnāt want you to feel aloneā
RJ: āI believedā
Like. I donāt know if yāall here, on tumblr dot com, the monsterfucking while the horrors continue unabated website, have noticed, but raising happy hopeful children in our current mess of a world is a fucking high task. Raising kind, hopeful children in the aftermath of the zombie fucking apocalypse?? As a single mum? Listen.
I better not catch anyone saying a bad word about my Queen after this. Even Rick wonāt beat me to the first punch.
NO because Rick hallucinated Michonne on the bridge and they kissed on their knees and then Rick PROPOSED to Michonne in the woods and they were on their knees and Iām unwell š«
one small and so DEVASTATINGLY beautiful detail they put into Rick's headspaces is that, at the CRM he almost always slept with his prosthetic (like a gun under a pillow) but whenever he's with Michonne, he sleeps without it!
Guys! Just like how Michonne says she's only safe with him, Rick is shown to feel safe with her too!
Does anyone else think those 3 idiots were suspiciously clean/healthy and sane? if they were surviving and living by ā dog, eat dogā mentality, they wouldnāt have survived as long? Over and over again the show has a emphasize the importance of pulling together, showing empathy, compassion, and brutality only when itās necessary. If they lived by Shaneās motto they wouldāve died a lot quicker. Not everyoneās is as forgiving as Rick and michonne. Or theyād have gone totally insane, dirty, inhumane and basically like the walking dead themselves. The only person I felt sorry for was the girl who seemed to want to do the right thing.