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Any Beetlejuice Discord servers I can join?
Preferably musical!juice, but I’m also down to talk about the cartoon & the Keaton movie(s).
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Hazbin Hotel - COULD Adam Come Back As A Sinner?
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(Note - this is NOT meant to pressure anyone on Hazbin Hotel to include or exclude Adam from future seasons. DO NOT USE THIS TO HARASS ANYONE INTO DOING ANYTHING WITH ADAM!!!!! BE BETTER THAN THE VOLTRON FANBASE!!!!!!! These are just all the points that could support or disprove Adam returning next season, compiled by a very bored person who’s suffering from a terrible case of Alex Brightman brainrot.)
Evidence supporting Adam being gone forever:
Perma-death has been established many times in Helluva Boss & Hazbin Hotel.
We see Adam’s dead body on screen. He doesn’t get dragged away to an uncertain fate, or die off-screen - we get to watch Niffty put lots of new holes in his vital organs (or where his vital organs would be if he still had any - how exactly DOES Angel physiology work?)
Adam was stabbed many times with Angelic Steel, which is supposed to be the ultimate weapon & guarantees perma-death. Maybe. It’s Kryptonite for Princes of Hell & puts down imps & demons, and is the only substance that harms angels.
Adam’s very much a Baby’s First Boss Fight. The practice baddy the heroes defeat in the first season before facing more nuanced, terrifying threats in future seasons. Like Zhao in Avatar the Last Airbender, or Nightmare Moon in My Little Pony. And next season promises to do some interesting stuff with Lute, Sera, and possibly Lilith as primary antagonists.
Adam’s kind of the worst. He has his fans, don’t get me wrong, and there’s something intriguing about such a major asshole. But I wonder how many folks like Adam for Adam, and how many like Adam because Alex Brightman’s having a ton of fun voicing him.
Evidence supporting Adam’s return as a Sinner
Dramatic Irony. Adam spent all of Season 1 dumping on Hell & its citizens, made his mark as the leader of the Exorcists, and has a whole villain song about how “Hell is Forever.” Imagine how he would feel to find himself trapped in Hell with all the other Sinners.
While perma-death DOES exist in Helluva Boss & Hazbin Hotel, the folks who HAVE died were demons, imps, Hell Hounds, angels, and sinners who made no effort to redeem themselves prior to biting it. The majority of which were never human and, presumably, never had souls. But Adam was a human - The FIRST Human, as he’s always bragging, and therefore has a soul. Just as Sir Pentious’s sacrifice led to his soul being redeemed enough to get him into Heaven, maybe Adam being killed by Niffty for all of HIS sins would land his soul in Hell to think about everything he’s done.
If Sir Pentious is going to be in Season 2, it means Alex Brightman will still be part of the cast. So if he’s recording for Pentious & background vocals, it’s not TOO big of a lift to have him record for Adam.
We haven’t had proper introductions to Lilith or Eve yet. It might be interesting to see how they interact with their first husband. Watching Lucifer heckle Adam before beating the crap out of him was entertaining - I’m kind of curious to see what Adam’s exes have to say about him.
If a Sinner getting into Heaven would shake things up, imagine how much chaos would ensue if folks found out they could be cast out of Heaven for being hypocritical jerks.
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Oh, God. This whole scene is just. . . . . UGH!!!
First off, Lydia didn’t say ANYTHING about getting rid of Beetlejuice, or replacing Beetlejuice with her dead mom. Heck, when she goes to talk to the Maitlands, she gives no indication that she thinks Beetlejuice should go. But Beetlejuice has been used & cast aside so, SO many times, he can’t help but hear his inevitable eviction when Lydia talks about bringing back her mom.
And he KNOWS if he’s out, he’ll go back to what he was before. A ghost of a ghost, aimlessly drifting with no one to talk to. Lydia & the Maitlands are unicorns - he may never find another living person who can see him, or another Recently Deceased person who will give him the time of day.
Oh, and I almost forgot to mention the lighting. I think prior to this everything was lit in bright greens & yellows while Lydia & Beetlejuice were having their fun. But as soon as Lydia left to get the Maitlands to open the handbook, the lighting changed to purple. Beetlejuice’s hurt & heartbroken, but didn’t have time to get himself & his clones offstage for the hair & makeup shift. Even during “The Whole Being Dead Thing/Good Old Fashioned Wedding,” I think there’s some purple in the lighting to show Beetlejuice’s rage comes from his pain.
The worst part, though, is how much Beetlejuice is willing to sacrifice just to be accepted. He bent over backwards for Lydia during their Haunt Fest, and probably would’ve brought back her mom if it was possible or if he understood how much Lydia was hurting. But when he thought he was being rejected AGAIN, he decided to go for broke & get himself a new lease on life. The lyrics of “Good Old Fashioned Wedding” suggest that in order for Beetlejuice to become alive, he’d have to not only marry a living person but also give up all of his demonic powers. His clones, his magic, his mood ring hair - Beetlejuice was willing to give up everything that made him, him, just to be seen by others.
This poor stinky bug man has too much trauma that could never be unpacked in a 2 hour musical. He needs a hug, a bath, a mug of hot cocoa with extra marshmallows, and a kitten.
*Sigh* Everyday I WISH “That beautiful sound reprise” was on the Beetlejuice Album…
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I thought this was fitting for them tbh
this is so messy idk if I’ll try cleaning it up yet💔💔
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He is SUCH a dad in the show! I love how much he adores his adopted daughter!
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me drawing these two: okay but what if BJ was just constantly carrying her around for no reason b**tlebabes/pro ship freaks dni. she's baby.
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I couldn’t not draw this after Justin posted that damn video. I’ve had this on the back-burner for a month. It’s finally freaking finished.
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You’re All Enablers
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Turns out my job gives me Juneteenth off this year, which means I could see Beetlejuice TMTMTM when it opens in my town on June 18th and not have to wake up early the next day for work! The Universe is conspiring, but I can’t decide if it’s for me or against me.
I want to be close enough to see how they pull off some of their tricks (I.e. skewering Beetlejuice, the extra arm & leg, the pig), but not so close as to miss what’s happening downstage.
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Pros of seeing Beetlejuice by myself either before or after seeing it with my family:
My sister in particular hates seeing stuff live with me because I get too invested. Idk if I clap & cheer too loud, or whisper too much about the stuff I like as the show is going on, or if it’s just a Me Being Her Annoying Little Sister thing, but it always feels like her agreeing to be seen in public with me is a huge sacrifice on her part. If I see the show by myself, I can have one Core Memory of enjoying the production without worrying about embarrassing her.
My brother’s being a bit of a sad sack right now, and God knows how long his moping will last (long, stupid story not worth recounting). Hopefully he’ll be better by June, but I’m not holding my breath. Again, seeing the show by myself means I’ll have one memory of it being just me & the Bug Man (and a few hundred strangers).
My relationship with my dad is . . . complicated. He said yes to seeing the show, but I think it’s because he had nothing else going on that night. He doesn’t have the ambition to reach out & ask others if they want to hang out, and I got tired of always initiating. And it might be kind of awkward watching Charles & Lydia go through THEIR complicated relationship while my dad is right there.
Our seats for the show aren’t the best in the house. We’re way in the back next to the sound booth. Good shot of center stage, I’m sure we’ll see everything that happens. But I wish I’d bought the tickets sooner so I could be in one of the Audience Interaction Zones. If I’m gonna be the only weirdo saying “AWWWWWW” while the rest of the audience is laughing at Beetlejuice’s abandonment issues, I want to be HEARD, God damnit!
Stinky lonely pansexual bug man make brain go brrrrr.
Cons of seeing Beetlejuice by myself either before or after seeing it with my family:
Money. I think tickets are a little over $100 a pop. I make enough money to make it fine to spend almost $500 on tickets to see a show with 3 others, and I can definitely swing an extra ticket to see it by myself. It’s more the principle of the thing. Is it WORTH spending an extra $100 to see the same show twice? (The part of my brain that’s hyperfixating on Beetlejuice is screaming “HELL FUCKING YEAH!!!”, but the practical side of my brain is annoying & whispering “you have bills to pay, your cats need to go to the vet, what if you lose your job even though you have crazy stupid job security”)
Availability. If I decide to see the show by myself, I have to decide NOW because tickets went crazy fast (or maybe they went super slow but were available for ages & I didn’t know because I just got bit by the BeetleBug last month). I was lucky to find four seats together for the show I’m already booked for. Finding one seat by myself won’t be quite as hard, but they might be gone by June.
My family will judge me. Not really a con, more of a fact of life. They already judge me for the rest of my “personality quirks” (aka my problems that they’re already aware of). Does it really matter if they have yet another reason to give me the side-eye at holiday gatherings or complain about me to friends, coworkers, and the rest of the family? I can think of at least one company of performers who would say life is WAY too short to deny myself simple pleasures.
Pathetic as it is, I DO have a life. Sort of. I don’t want to be dead on my feet at work or when I’m supposed to be taking care of my niece, and I don’t have the time to spare for the matinee. Or maybe I do - I probably won’t know until it’s too late to get my ticket.
I have no idea how long this brain rot is going to last. It’s burning hot & bright right now, but it could burn itself out before I see the show in person. It seems unlikely, but there’s still a risk.
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manifesting
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Beetlejuice 1988: Only forces Lydia into marriage because he needs an anchor in the mortal realm & Lydia’s the only unwed person around, but shows absolutely ZERO sexual interest in Lydia even while he was in snake form & openly looking up Delia’s dress. Also, he’s literally the only person to give a shit about Lydia’s desire to die. If the Deetz’s knew she was depressed, they either didn’t care or didn’t take her depression seriously. The Maitlands cared about Lydia, but were too caught up in their own shit to give Lydia the attention she needed apart from telling her death won’t do Jack to solve her problems. Beetlejuice is the ONLY one who asked her WHY she wanted to die, then immediately tried to backtrack because he didn’t want to give the impression that there was a decent person under the asshole conman.
Beetlejuice TAS: Obviously adores Lydia like a daughter, teases her sometimes but will do anything for her well-being, pays more attention to her & her needs than her breathing parents. Lydia’s loudest cheerleader, would kill & die for her.
Beetlejuice TMTMTM: The siblingest siblings to ever sibling. Beetlejuice states several times that he has ZERO sexual interest in Lydia, and reiterates the 1988 explanation that marrying Lydia is JUST to give himself an anchor in the mortal world.
Beetlejuice the musical: *says multiple times that Beej being with Lydia is gross and not okay*
Beetlejuice: *hits on the Maitlands*
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Beetleb@bes shippers:
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STOP. moment of gratitude for those precious times of breathing from your nostrils when you don't have a stuffy nose
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Me: Don’t you hurt the little angel!
The little angel:
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The choreography is INSANE! They flipped off that table 8 times a week? Alex had some guy backflip THAT CLOSE to his face 8 times a week? Live theater is insane, my dudes!
Alex Brightman and Sophia Anne Caruso perform “That Beautiful Sound”
Also note that I will be in constant pain trying to learn this dance number
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I See Your “Beetlejuice has Werewolf Energy” & Raise You “Beetlejuice is a Cat”
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Has mastered the feline duality of “super aloof, DEFINITELY not attached to anyone” and “please don’t leave me, you’re my One True Person!”
Dogs can sometimes violate personal boundaries, but usually because they’re not aware of said personal boundaries. Cats KNOW about boundaries & CHOOSE to violate them whenever it’s convenient for them. Guess which one best describes Beetlejuice.
Dogs have the decency to look ashamed when they’re caught doing something naughty. Cats will stare you In The Eye as they shatter the urn with Grandma’s ashes. I have yet to meet a cat with any true sense of remorse.
This madman will ABSOULTELY run from one end of your house to the other at 3 am for no discernible reason. Even if you ask him, he’ll have no idea why he just did it.
This. Absolute cat energy right here. (Not sure if I linked it correctly, but it should be an Instagram clip of Justin Collette backstage during intermission kneeling & crying for Lydia, even when she walks onstage to see what he’s doing).
Also this.
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I can’t explain it, but Beetlejuice looks like someone who would arch his back & hiss if someone tried to mess with him (or if someone sprayed him with a water bottle).
He also looks like he’d purr if someone scritched behind his ear or under his chin.
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