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Brad Dourif as Charles Lee Ray | CHUCKY 3.07 There Will Be Blood

#gifset #brad dourif #chucky syfy #chucky spoilers #charles lee ray #my beautiful old man #i love you old man #god he killed it #his first time physically playing chucky in so long and he just smashed it #I need so many more episodes of this #I don’t care if he’s getting shittily greenscreened into blood elevators I need as much as possible #this whole episode had me giggling one second and then screaming and crying the next

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So the script actually doesn’t specify the age of either. What’s strange is I always thought it did and assumed it was pretty much canon that Franklin was the older sibling.

Other moments in the script though do seem to contextualize their relationship a bit and build up the detail. I’d suggest reading it yourself but a good example is:

This is Sally immediately understanding that Franklin is doing his complaining because of being injured when he fell. She doesn’t seem to be teasing him, and he just gets a little bashful. It’s a genuine moment between them while the van group clatters about them and talk over one another.

However it’s not just this moment that got cut. Most of Sally’s lines honestly did. She was much kinder to her brother in the original text.

One moment that stands out as confusing is an interaction with Nubbins. He’s fixated on both siblings given the moment, and asks a lot of questions.

This, at first glance, reads like they aren’t siblings with the same parents. However, Sally in the front of the van can’t really hear Nubbins and Franklin talking, and assumes he meant something different. He just wanted to know if her parents lived in Houston too (which they do when the answer is clarified.)

I think this interaction doesn’t clear up the age debate, but it does provide a strange, interesting detail. A degree of desperation between them. Nowhere in the script do they mention that they’re siblings, not even when Nubbins wrongly assumes they have different parents. All they ever mention is their grandfather.

This is usually the way the Sawyers’ relationship goes, except in this version of the script, it isn’t. They are all three directly referred to as brothers.

So when Nubbins mentions his brother working at the slaughterhouse and being good at making headcheese, he does indeed mean Drayton and not Bubba. That was changed to be less clear later on, and in that respect the two sets of siblings, Sawyers and Hardestys, swapped places a bit.

Their dynamics are already parallel, given they feature a lot of the same traits and treatment of each other, and these details being swapped is, I think, part of why.

So what I suppose all that gets at is that there isn’t an expressly clear answer that I can pull out for this question, but I will share my input!

Sally is something called a “glass child” because her brother has a disability. Not entirely sure when this term was coined since I’m not the biggest fan of it, but it’s fitting for her since she does entirely break by the end of the film. Her relationship with Franklin is also glass-like in that it’s extremely fragile.

In the film she is bitter and harsh and angry with him at every moment she can be. I see this being typical younger sibling attitude *plus* glass child syndrome. It’s also very clear that she doesn’t want Franklin on the trip with her and her friends, but had to bring him along.

That’s for two reasons in my eyes. One being that obviously they’re going to check on their grandfather’s grave, the second, that if Franklin were the older brother, he could’ve been forced by their parents to go along and watch after her.

She doesn’t want watched like a child though and chooses to rebel, until she watches him get slaughtered and it puts her whole world into perspective.

Going back to the idea of parallels (as @ofthehands brought up I’ve mentioned before) the reason Sally is such a fascinating and crucial figure in the story isn’t just because she’s the victim, it’s because she’s a mean victim. She’s cold to her brother when he’s seeking comfort as much as she is.

That’s deeply significant to what it means to be a Sawyer. Aka a poor, disabled, no-parent family who fall victim of the system and turn into a blood thirsty family of cannibals to survive.

In that sense I do feel that Sally could parallel either Drayton or Bubba. In the case of Drayton, she treats her brother callously, the same way he does but less severe. Like a watered down version, maybe what he would’ve been like before his brothers were old enough to face his physical punishments. But like Bubba, she’s also naive, and afraid, and loud. Her discomfort is everybody’s problem once she starts screaming her head off.

Franklin can also be like Bubba. He’s anxious and prone to being emotional. Franklin wants all his ducks (Sally) in a row as much as Bubba does. Still, he’s like Nubbins as well. They both got a fascination for death and are wishy-washy, changing things up after they’ve already said something.

So what they means is they can be paired. Franklin like Bubba and Sally like Drayton, or Franklin like Nubbins and Sally like Bubba. They’re aggressor and victim. Just depends on the moment which is which.

Way I see it, as a disabled person who is deeply empathetic towards Franklin for the situation he’s put in, I do tend to view Sally as the one pushing the buttons and causing the trouble, but it can be viewed either way. Essentially, they both would fit in the role of older, bossier, sibling.

Though since I personally view Sally as younger, I do think the sort of battle for dominance between them is because they’re really close in age. Maybe an Irish twins situation. Because there is no easily distinguished role of older and younger. Franklin is the dependent sibling yes, but that’s because of his disability, not his age. And Sally, conversely, takes charge and won’t listen, but that doesn’t have to be because of her age either.

The thing that makes her seem most young to me, is how she clings to other people. She didn’t want to go anywhere without Jerry and was just as panicked as Franklin was. Jerry was a crutch for her and when she lost that she lost her composure. Same for Franklin after he was killed. I mean she totally loses herself and becomes catatonic when she has to return to her life and trauma without him. As the younger sister, Sally never would’ve known life without someone there to guide and assist her.

Do you guys see Sally as the younger or older sister? Her lack of care for Franklin makes me lean towards her being the younger one. Then again, while older siblings are usually associated with having a protective instinct, that's not always the case.

#tcm analysis #sally hardesty #franklin hardesty #nubbins sawyer #bubba sawyer #drayton sawyer #tcm 1974

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The original girlboss

#others art #vanita brock #stretch tcm2 #streeeeetch!!! the lady ever!!! I love sheeeee #love the quality of the materials #I think it’s marked not sure but mask you killed it hell yeah #love cartoony and exaggerated colors always #hoooray for stretch!!!! #<3 <3 <3

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Ed Neal revisiting the role of Nubbins Sawyer in Ministry: tapes of wrath dvd compilation (2000)

#nubbins sawyer #others gifs #omg hiii #older nubbins older nubbins older nubbins #he so slfjaklgakshfjakflkandallc a #guy that makes me go yippee!!! yippee!! hooray!

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the two rats hiding in the cupboards eating all the cheese and crackers

#others art #nubbins sawyer #chop top sawyer #bobby sawyer #they live in my brain and look like this 24/7 #I like the empty look behind their smiles #cute cute cute #and very nice colors #yay!! yippee!!

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^ Here’s Bill and Caroline side by side with their respective doubles! Notice that the doubles have more muscular builds than both actors.

Now watch through the entire end sequence and you can spot them by their physique alone. Bill’s double had quite broad shoulders and neck so his vest fit different. Caroline’s double had a slightly different looking pair of shorts.

One thing to also look for is smudged makeup. They had Tom Savini on set to constantly reapply the makeup to Bill, but didn’t always fix it when his double’s got messy. Anytime the white is starting to look kinda grey or black, it’s probably the double.

Also, Caroline’s double had to wear a wig. You can spot her any time her hair looks weirdly tall, or loses its shine, or is just too short in the back.

related to the previous post, not sexual or suggestive, but I was honestly impressed when I saw that audibly went "damn", impressed chop top, or even the actor himself bill moseley could do that

Like damn dudes strong

I don't write on confessions usually, but, I have to break the news to everyone... Bill Moseley had a stunt double.

I believe that his stunt double was Daniel W. Barringer. (I can find one site that says that he was specifically, but in the credits, the stunt casting just has the generic "stunts" title for all the characters. Like Bob Elmore played stunts for Bubba, and so did Tom Morga, and they're both listed there). In any case, Bill Moseley didn't do all the climbing scenes himself 😅

So it's definitely something that Chop Top did and he is definitely strong AF in the canon of this movie, but it's not something Bill did, specifically.

#bill moseley #caroline williams #tcm 2

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Nightmare Angel starring Bill Moseley

Made in 1986, this film was inspired by J.G. Ballard's "Crash" and "The Atrocity Exhibition".

Pretty sure most of his fans haven't seen this, as it's hard to find. Enjoy!

#bill moseley #nightmare angel #watched this forever ago but might do it again sometime soon #it’s a crash adaptation so many trigger warnings apply #BUT it is better than the cronenburg version in my opinion. like much better #love love love love LOVE his scar #just learned how to make prosthetics like that and this one is so sexy and smooth and clean looking #suits him well but tbh what doesn’t

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the thrilling sequel ✨

#bill moseley #jane moseley #cornbugs #bmo being the weird guy of all time and his daughter being like a super model is always going to be so funny to me #instagram is a lawless place #random ass dudes being freaky as hell in janes comments pisses me off everytime #like man just because you watched her dad in a movie doesn’t give you any right to talk about her body that way like cmon #so here’s a reminder that she’s weird and inherited bmos sense of humor and she can be as strange and offputting as she wants #matter of fact this specific image pissed those losers off cause of the caption she chose #whatever man she’s the child of the vegetable man get over it

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The sillies

#others art #franknub #franklin hardesty #nubbins sawyer #yippeee the sillies are on here too!!! #BIG fan of nubbins’ birthmark being the only color #drops to my knees and shouts YIPPEE to the sky #I love them I love them I love them I lov

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Bill squared

#bill moseley #bill johnson #tcm 2 #peep the tiny glimpse of jim siedow in the back of the first pic #posting in celebration of their reunion in gettysburg (hoping desperately that I’ll find a photo of them in their costumes) #both pics from bmos insta

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expression practice from a little while ago

#others art #nubbins sawyer #the him!!! #the meat in the background is so gnarly (affectionate) #will always love these colors #subdued warm hues my beloved #and also nubbins’ face my beloved <3

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Noticed this picture frame on Ed’s booth at creep.ie con...

All four pictures in the frame are of him and Marilyn Burns :(

#edwin neal #marilyn burns #tcm 1974 #the way he looks at her in the taste like chicken one #man they were the best friends of all time #I just feel so so sad for him #rip marilyn we all love you girlie #and future kill was an iffy movie plot wise but I’m glad they were in it together and kicked ass #i think it’s funny how Marilyn killed him in both tcm and future kill lol #also their costumes were awesome <3

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More miss Buttercup on this fine day ✨

#bill moseley #cynthia 2018 #honestly between this and the photo op otis wigs #blonde suits him #and we all know he looks damn good with white hair #the guy ever <3 #anyway stan buttercup #I was actually surprised that when he posted her semi recently there weren’t as many hateful comments as the last time #as an avid pearl wearer I love her

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I wanna frame this and hang it in my living room.

#bill moseley #richard brake #sheri moon zombie #otis driftwood #baby firefly #foxy coltrane #I’ll forever be obsessed with otis in dumb overalls #every day of my life I wish I coulda met rich brake at horror realm #he’s so lajgkalfjalfalabl #okay I like that baby gets to wear pretty dresses while foxy and otis looked like a couple of slime balls (affectionate) #but it’s set in the 80s! I wish she coulda wore a cute 80s ponytail too! let’s get some self expression in this bitch! #they’re all three so fine 3fh isn’t fair

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Chapter 2 is now live! Heed the tags and the warning at the beginning of the chapter please <3

Otis and Foxy as kids fic. No ships, just an exploration of family dynamics!

#otis driftwood #otis b driftwood #foxy coltrane #winslow foxworth coltrane #my writing #hotc

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#edwin neal #nubbins sawyer #man he just looks so done #I’d have been worse behaved and ruined every shot doing this #my favorite thing is tcm actors ruining shots on purpose because hooper pissed them off #two other examples being Jim siedow staring directly into the camera when Marilyn was having a meltdown and Gunnar throwing the live saw #they hated this shit and I don’t blame them #anyhow I was looking for a photo of this but gifs is even better #love he

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All of this, I agree so much!

I’d add too that Bubba shows remorse and fear most openly. Meaning Bubba is the kind of victim they find easy to empathize with. There’s a very real issue in fandoms with victim blaming and denying compassion to victims who are violent or mean as a result of their circumstances. Nubbins is thus denied his humanity and treated as the ultimate monster. Even Drayton who is seen as the instigator of abuse in the family gets some of the blame taken off of him, by giving it away to Nubbins, because he feels and shows guilt in the dinner scene.

It’s all a game of being the perfect model of who somebody else wants them to be. The Sawyers can’t be treated fairly by this level of pathologizing because their circumstance isn’t fair to begin with.

Also, body type. Fandoms have a very weird thing about fat bodies as being “cuddly” and “soft” and babying fat people. That kind of mindset can translate into seeing Bubba as a whole as a delicate person, ignoring that he can and will murder without remorse. Except body type has nothing to do with upbringing and social conditioning and intrinsic personality traits, so that’s an element that shouldn’t matter in his perception.

The opposite somewhat applies to Nubbins, with his body usually being described by negatively conotated words, things like- skeletal, boney, lanky, unhealthy, and so on. But what needs to be acknowledged there is that Nubbins has a disability, and criticizing his physical appearance isn’t helpful or conducive to perception of Bubba in any way. That’s just belittling another disabled body instead. Demonization for the sake of it, whether or not that’s originally the intention.

I’ve seen it so many times that perceptions travel through every little character detail, even subconsciously. Analysis really does run that deeply. So it’s always important to dissect where opinions come from instead of upholding them.

One of the things i find really interesting about Nubbins’ character is peoples perception of him depends a large amount on what their character interpretation of Bubba is.

I’ve noticed that fans who interpret leatherface as being a victim of his family, or not much of a person outside of his disabilities, tend to have a more negative view of Nubbins, often lumping him in with the abusive family member label (even though the opposing canon shows him being the one abused). This being further carried by the Jason x Leatherface comics, solidifying this interpretation of the character to some viewers.

Despite being in the same home circumstances as Bubba Sawyer and despite also being mentally disabled (Both Gunnar Hansen (leatherface) and Ed Neal (Hitchiker) referenced real life mentally disabled people for their performances) his character is treated as more capable and held to higher scrutiny not only by fans but by Drayton Sawyer himself in canon.

My own character interpretation of Bubba Sawyer affects my opinion on Nubbins also, which is probably why I like him so much. I see Bubba as someone who is more capable than people give him credit for. Especially within the family dynamic. He’s not just the physical strength of the family but he has the skills of all family members combined whilst also filling in for the roles of family members which are missing (aka grandma).

Maybe it’s his violence being more on the unpredicatable side or a specific scene or interaction that people are put off by him. I would love to know other people’s thoughts on it bcs I could be slightly biased.

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