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Every time an anti-endo implies that non-traumagenic systems and trauma-formed systems are inherently different, ten more non-traumagenic systems are born from the hills like a herd of especially delightful goats. They're many, they're here, they crave the mineral. You can't ignore them. Baa.

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It's literally in the ICD-11!

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The DSM sort of implies this but doesn't make it quite as explicit. But the ICD-11 makes it painfully clear that you can be plural without trauma. Of course, "plural" is a community term, so it doesn't use that word. What it says instead is that DID is characterized by having "two or more distinct personality states."

Then it establishes that you can experience the presence of two or more distinct personality states without a disorder in its boundary with normality:

(Normality in this context means it's not pathological or a disorder. Not that it's common.)

This is about as clear as you can expect a diagnostic handbook using clinical terminology to get to "you can be plural without trauma." Or at least to "you can be plural without a disorder." (Although I feel the lack of trauma as a cause for this non-disordered plurality is also implied.)

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When I think of how I prefer to refer to myselves and how I want others to refer to me-us, my plurality takes precedence over any kind of gendering.

I don't want people to look at me and see a man, woman, or anything else. I want them to see a system. I want them to refer to me in the plural. I want my plurality to be explicit, up-front, bold and in your face each time you talk about me. Make it as casual, as undeniable, as sure as stone; I am a system and that is just as, if not more, important as anything related to my gender(s). It's a core part of who I am.

I'm not just a sibling, brother, or sister; daughter, son, or child; niece or nephew – I'm a system, and that colors my relationships with family. I'm not just a boyfriend, girlfriend, joyfriend, datemate, partner – I'm a system, and that colors my relationships with potential partners. I'm not just a miss, mister, mistrum, mixter, masteress, or any other kind of honorific – I'm a system, and that colors my relationships with everyone who crosses paths with me; with everyone who knows me well enough to refer to me in such ways. My plurality heavily impacts how I navigate the world, and how the world navigates its relationship with me – so why not reflect that?

If I could, I'd be requesting people use not just plural pronouns to refer to me, but an entire category of plural explicit language. There are some words like that here and there, but I hope in the future we'll be seeing more coined and built and carved from the languages we use, as systems become comfortable and confident enough in being openly themselves that they can push not just for acceptance, but explicit inclusion.

The future is plural. And that future includes language for systems like We-I, who – to put it lightly – are dissatisfied with our current options in how we are referred to.

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My apologies. 99.9% of the time when people say in response to "My plurality doesn't cause me distress or dysfunction so it's not a disorder for me" "You probably do have these other symptoms causing issues" it's about nondisordered endogenic systems. Especially when it's posted in the syscourse tag.

The same is true though for nondisordered traumagenics. Most don't have significant memory issues, issues with general dissociation, or difficulty functioning in regular life as a result of those things. For most nondisordered systems regardless of origin, their plurality helps them function better, especially with those who have other mental or physical health conditions. It's even true for folks who do have general dissociation - being not grounded fully in your body helps you function if you have chronic pain issues, for instance. It can help with dysphoria too, both gender and otherwise.

There's definitely room for "Please remember that there's other parts of DID that may lead to it being dysfunction-causing" but that's usually not something people are missing. If it sounds to you like they're focused on the plurality, that's typically because that's the only CDD symptom they have.

God the "you have to find your plurality distressing to call it a CDD, I don't find my plurality distressing therefor I'm not disordered" is really not understanding what the "disorder" part of "Dissociative Identity Disorder" means.

There's other aspects of CDD than the presence of alters. Sure that's what sets CDDs apart from other dissociative disorders, but the "distress" part of a CDD diagnosis is not specifically about feeling distress towards having alters.

Some people find the amnesia distressing. Some people find the dissociation itself distressing. Some people may not feel distress but the "disordered" aspect comes from being impaired by the disorder. Impairment can and often looks like "well I'm doing perfectly fine" while they end up losing jobs and friendships and relationships and missing appointments but they don't see it as a problem because "well I can still get by minimally". Distress and impairment can be caused by the symptoms listed under the diagnostic criteria and the symptoms listed under "Associated Features".

DID isn't plurality disorder. It's a disorder that happens to include the presence of alters as part of its diagnostic criteria.

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sysmeds: pro endos NEVER give genuine sources, they just link a pluralpedia page or tumblr post and thats not a valid source!!!

also sysmeds: heres this biased carrd with no links to any actual sources supporting it talking all about how endos are bad

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If plurality is the only symptom you have, and that doesn't cause distress or dysfunction, you don't have DID or OSDD-1. Nondisordered endogenics don't have amnesia or general dissociation or related issues with taking care of their external life responsibilities. So they're plural but don't have a dissociative disorder.

God the "you have to find your plurality distressing to call it a CDD, I don't find my plurality distressing therefor I'm not disordered" is really not understanding what the "disorder" part of "Dissociative Identity Disorder" means.

There's other aspects of CDD than the presence of alters. Sure that's what sets CDDs apart from other dissociative disorders, but the "distress" part of a CDD diagnosis is not specifically about feeling distress towards having alters.

Some people find the amnesia distressing. Some people find the dissociation itself distressing. Some people may not feel distress but the "disordered" aspect comes from being impaired by the disorder. Impairment can and often looks like "well I'm doing perfectly fine" while they end up losing jobs and friendships and relationships and missing appointments but they don't see it as a problem because "well I can still get by minimally". Distress and impairment can be caused by the symptoms listed under the diagnostic criteria and the symptoms listed under "Associated Features".

DID isn't plurality disorder. It's a disorder that happens to include the presence of alters as part of its diagnostic criteria.

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Elites see student loans as a way to discipline poor people.

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you have to stay alive. you're going to be such a beautiful middle aged freak. young freaks will see you in the street and know that things can be okay.

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reblog for bigger sample size!

#Depends on which of us you ask #We have a domestic cat therian (Russian blue #A bird who is a whale therian #And a Willow dryad who is tree kin #And us Willows as a whole are tree hearted

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hey

hey friend

dont kill yourself tonight ok

you have a really pretty smile and i know its not always easy to manage one but itd be a bummer if we never had the chance to see it ever again

youre really important and you matter a lot so stay safe and try and have a nice sleep

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We have been in therapy for a decade. Our psych teams (therapist and psychiatrist) that we've seen over that period of time have all supported our plurality and encouraged us to lean more on each other, as that's what's healthiest for us. Our case was even discussed with the lead editor of the DSM's section on dissociative disorders, Dr. Richard Loewenstein. He said that since our plurality doesn't cause us problems, it's not a disorder.

If you really have to dip into ableist insults when your beliefs are challenged with sources and facts, that proves you've got no real argument. You're wrong and you're too much of a wimp to admit it. Grow a pair - balls or ovaries it doesn't matter which.

This blog is not safe for endogenic “systems” or people who genuinely believe you can have DID/be a system without trauma.

Some of you silly fucks need to go outside a bit more! Endogenics are NOT backed by medical science, I have never seen one once of proof from actual certified medical papers of such a thing existing and when I ask for such proof I either get

A) a tumblr post as “source”

B) a link to pluralpedia of all fucking sites (where its own “sources” are tumblr posts)

C) they never give a source and block me (cowards… just proves y’all can never back what you claim with actual sources!)

I may not intentionally go out of my way to bully endos but if you come into my home (dms/ask box) I will BULLY you, I will laugh at you, I will call you stupid. If you’re the sort of endogenic weirdo that claims minors are also endos or generally systems just because of a small fraction: it’s dangerous. You cannot fucking diagnose people online.

But go ahead, I invite you to come into my ask box.

#Syscourse #Yes “get help” is ableism #You're saying that the person you're talking to is too crazy to be believed #Which is fundamentally ableist

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I still find it funny that opposing discoursers once piled on the hate for me being a fan of a book series that contains child torture and violence towards children.

It was Animorphs, guys.

The war story disguised as a series about kids turning into animals to fight aliens. Written at a third grade level and marketed towards middle schoolers. Which does, in fact, contain extreme violence (lightly described, not in exquisite detail) and torture. (There's a whole book where one of them gets captured and tortured.)

Animorphs.

Rofl.

#animorphs #discourse

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Here's a 30 page Google Doc with links to sources and relevant excerpts from those sources.

It include multiple studies and research papers, both major diagnostic manuals, and my personal favorite - a chapter from a book written for mental health care providers by a doctor with the highest honor you can get from the American Psychiatric Association, peer reviewed by and published by the American Psychiatric Association.

This blog is not safe for endogenic “systems” or people who genuinely believe you can have DID/be a system without trauma.

Some of you silly fucks need to go outside a bit more! Endogenics are NOT backed by medical science, I have never seen one once of proof from actual certified medical papers of such a thing existing and when I ask for such proof I either get

A) a tumblr post as “source”

B) a link to pluralpedia of all fucking sites (where its own “sources” are tumblr posts)

C) they never give a source and block me (cowards… just proves y’all can never back what you claim with actual sources!)

I may not intentionally go out of my way to bully endos but if you come into my home (dms/ask box) I will BULLY you, I will laugh at you, I will call you stupid. If you’re the sort of endogenic weirdo that claims minors are also endos or generally systems just because of a small fraction: it’s dangerous. You cannot fucking diagnose people online.

But go ahead, I invite you to come into my ask box.

#Syscourse #Also we HAVE “gotten help” #We Crew have been in therapy for depression anxiety and ptsd for a decade #Our case was even discussed with Dr. Richard Loewenstein who is the lead editor of the DSM's section on dissociative disorders #He said that since our plurality doesn't cause us problems it's not a disorder #He was told about our origins and everything #We've had three main psych teams in the past year #Therapist and psychiatrist combos #All have supported our plurality and encouraged us to lean on each other more as that's what's healthiest for us to do #The sole exception was a church pastor who thought we were demon possessed #In spite of over half of us being Christian #And he didn't know that at that time it hadn't been called MPD in 20 years #So yeah we didn't take his word very seriously

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An attempt was made... (where r/systemscringe tries to discredit a doctor's work affirming the existence of endogenic plurality.)

Wow! The American Psychiatric Association just publishes and attaches their name to anything, huh? That's pretty wild that such a reputable organization would just publish junk science with no review!

Yeah... as you might have guessed, that's nonsense.

The Truth...

This is a pretty big misrepresentation of what the book says. Now, it does have a paragraph stating books published through them represent the views and findings of the individual authors, and do not show necessarily reflect the policies and opinions of the American Psychiatric Association.

That much is true...

But a book not representing the policies and opinions of the American Psychiatric Association is a far cry from "the book is not endorsed by the APA."

If the American Psychiatric Association didn't endorse a book, they wouldn't publish it.

In order for a book to be published by the American Psychiatric Association, a book is expected to align with their mission and represent a novel contribution to the field.

Now... as for the book being supposedly not peer reviewed, as far as I can tell, there's zero basis for this. The APA Publishing website states that they use peer review in both selection and final approval of publishing projects.

And I've found no evidence that this book was somehow an exception to these practices.

As far as I can tell, the claim that the book isn't peer reviewed is a total lie!

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And once you get through all that misinformation attacking the credibility of the book, of course the r/systemscringe user resorts to personal attacks against the author, calling him a hack.

And as far as I can tell, this is motivated entirely by the book's position on endogenic and non-disordered plurality. Eric Yarbrough is a Distinguished Fellow of the American Psychiatric Association, the highest honor the APA gives, and his record is squeaky clean.

It's incredibly disturbing that r/systemscringe is smearing a doctor who has been so instrumental in promoting LGBTQ values in psychiatry simply because of his view on endogenic plurality.

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So, yeah. In conclusion, the book is endorsed by the American Psychiatric Association's publishing division, it is peer reviewed, and sysmeds are increasingly desperate to discredit the growing number of academics who support endogenic plurality.

I covered these exact tactics in my anti-endo playbook, and you can see those screenshot below the cut.

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