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Johnny/Cherry parallels

I had always noticed the parallels between Bob and Dally, both of them being direct foils to each other, but whilst analysing them, I noticed that two other characters were also set up as foils (whether intentionally or not), especially in regard to their relationships with both the aforementioned boys. I wanted to dive deeper into that.

1) Their relationship with Bob

Bob, despite being a major character with his death being the catalyst for the events of the novel, only appears in two scenes. Anything else about him we know is from accounts by Johnny, Cherry and Randy. 

Through his relationship with Johnny, we see him at his worst; A cruel, violent and callous person who had hurt Johnny to such an extent that Ponyboy remarks that Johnny would kill if someone tried to hurt him like that again, long before he actually proved it. As the novel is from Ponyboy’s POV, and this is the side of Bob that he showed Greasers, we mostly trust Johnny’s accounts and the few glimpses of Bob we see.

However, Cherry (and Randy) tells us of a different side of him, one more positive and sympathetic. Cherry recognizes Bob’s faults, but she also knew him to be friendly, nice and someone worth looking up to. 

This isn't much to remark on in itself, until you take Dally into consideration.

2) Their relationship with Dally

Dally is essentially Bob, but lower-class. Like Bob, he’s mean and violent (He had been arrested, he got drunk, he rode in rodeos, lied, cheated, stole, rolled drunks, jumped small kids--- he did everything), but because we see him in Ponyboy’s POV and his relationship with Johnny, we know first-hand of Dally’s capability of goodness and his better qualities, in a way we aren’t privy to Bob’s. 

Cherry states that she’s scared of Dally, and, while a part of her is attracted to him, she sees him as a genuinely bad and terrible person, calling him dirty and considering him one of the worst Greasers she’s seen, with Dallas’s advances and forcefulness towards her, not helping his case. It’s one of the times in the novel, we see Dally acting as mean as we’re constantly told he is. 

On the other hand, Dally is at his best with Johnny who gives him hope that goodness exists in a cruel world, and that a person who has suffered so much could still remain kind and soft. Johnny is the only person who’s able to stand up to Dally, with Dally actually listening to him, without a fight. It’s worth noting that Cherry also stands up to Dally, despite knowing what he’s capable of, something not many people do due to fear of him.

"Leave her alone, Dally." ("Huh?") "You heard me. Leave her alone.” // "Please leave us alone," she (Cherry) said. "Why don't you be nice and leave us alone?"

Johnny managed an admiring grin. "You sure didn't show (that you were scared). Nobody talks to Dally like that." // She (Cherry) smiled, "From what I saw, you do."

3) Their individual relationships with Dally and Bob 

Bob is to Cherry as Dally is to Johnny. Both of them recognize their faults and shortcomings, without being blinded by their biases towards them. But at the same time Johnny and Cherry describe these men who are so upfront about their cruelty and callousness, as capable of admirable qualities. 

Johnny and Cherry are both great judges of character, have strong morals and are extremely observant, being able to see things others are blind to, so Ponyboy, while incredulous to both of their statements, having a strong dislike for the boys, is contemplative of it.

"Dally's okay," Johnny said defensively. "He's tough, but he's a cool old guy." // “You only knew his (Bob’s) bad side. He could be sweet sometimes, and friendly.”

"Yeah... in the manners bit, and the charm, too, I guess," Johnny said slowly, "but one night I saw Dally gettin' picked up by the fuzz, and he kept real cool and calm the whole time. They was gettin' him for breakin' out the windows in the school building, and it was Two-Bit who did that. And Dally knew it. But he just took the sentence without battin' an eye or even denyin' it. That's gallant." // “I know I'm too young to be in love and all that, but Bob was something special. He wasn't just any boy. He had something that made people follow him, something that marked him different, maybe a little better, than the crowd. Do you know what I mean?”

Another unrelated parallel is that, like Johnny stood up to Dally, Cherry can and will call out Bob if she thinks he crosses a line.

"Leave her alone, Dally." ("Huh?") "You heard me. Leave her alone.” // "Cherry looked mad. "A little (drunk)? You call reeling and passing out in the streets 'a little'? Bob, I told you, I'm never going out with you while you're drinking, and I mean it. Too many things could happen while you're drunk. It's me or the booze."

Cherry’s fear of Dally parallels Johnny’s fear of Bob. While it can be argued that Dally didn’t hurt Cherry like Bob did Johnny, he crosses her boundaries, speaks derogatory of her and verbally torments her (in the movie, he forcefully grabs her, so for once, movie!Dally is actually worse than book!Dally), to the point Johnny, who is known as non-confrontational, intervenes.

4) Their relationships with Ponyboy

Johnny and Cherry are special amongst the entire cast, for their mostly positive relationship with Ponyboy, the protagonist and narrator of the novel. Apart from Soda, they’re the only two people Ponyboy feels comfortable and able to be himself with. 

"I know," I said. "Well," I said, thinking this over, "you ain't like any of the gang. I mean, I couldn't tell Two-Bit or Steve or even Darry about the sunrise and clouds and stuff. I couldn't even remember that poem around them. I mean, they just don't dig. Just you and Sodapop. And maybe Cherry Valance." 

But Johnny and I understood each other without saying anything. Nobody but Soda could really get me talking. Till I met Cherry Valance.

They both appreciate and admire Ponyboy’s intellect, innocence and sensitivity, despite people usually thinking of such qualities as useless and signs of weakness and naivety. While others like Two-Bit and Darry also do, Cherry and Johnny are more upfront about it and think of them as Ponyboy's strengths.

“Stay gold, Ponyboy.”

‘When you're a kid everything's new, dawn. It's just when you get used to everything that it's day. Like the way you dig sunsets, Pony. That's gold. Keep that way, it's a good way to be.’

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"You read a lot, don't you, Ponyboy?" Cherry asked. "-I'll bet you watch sunsets, too."

“You're a nice kid, Ponyboy. Do you realise how scarce nice kids are nowadays?”

Unrelated and I don’t have much to say on it, but these two scenes are fairly similar, with Ponyboy snapping at Cherry and Johnny respectively, after they say their thoughts which go against his current views whilst he’s emotional and upset, which end up changing further in the novel (Darry hating him/Bob being an irredeemable person).

“An' you can shut your trap, Johnny Cade, 'cause we all know you ain't wanted at home, either. And you can't blame them." // "I wouldn't want you to see him. You're a traitor to your own kind and not loyal to us. Do you think your spying for us makes up for the fact that you're sitting there in a Corvette while my brother drops out of school to get a job? Don't you ever feel sorry for us. Don't you ever try to give us handouts and then feel high and mighty about it."

5) Their roles and understanding of societal roles

Apart from Ponyboy, Johnny and Cherry are the characters who most despise the existence of the Greasers and Socs dynamic, the rampant classism in Tulsa which victimises both sides of the class division, especially children, and the societal roles forced upon them.

“I’ll kill myself or something (when talking about the Socs).” “It seems like there’s gotta be someplace without greasers or Socs” // “We’ve got troubles you (Ponyboy) haven’t even heard of. You want to know something? Things are rough all over.”

"Useless... Fighting's no good" // "I can't stand fights... I can't stand them"

Whilst most other people think of them as unfair, they also accept it as a part of life. Cherry and Johnny represent those who can’t just accept it, but also can’t do anything against the system or to save themselves from it and are destined to live and die as a byproduct of this system, rather than escaping it. After a life of abuse and trauma, Johnny dies before he is ready to, while Cherry still adheres to societal norms, and is forced to hide her true self, as shown as she ignores Ponyboy at school. 

They’re also set as foils to Ponyboy who is an anomaly among Greasers and Socs, and, like them, understands that the class dynamics of Tulsa should not be considered as just a part of life, instead recognising how they hurt everyone, turn kids against each other and cause prejudices that blind them from seeing their humanity. But Ponyboy has the power to not only escape Tulsa and its classism someday but also to actually act against it, by writing the Outsiders.

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reblog this if you’re still stuck in the outsiders fandom

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Went through The Outsiders: Rare and Unseen book <3

The Patrick Swayze memorial 😔💔 rip

But it’s very worth the price !! I have more photos I can post too :)

Hope you guys like my carpet lol

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Sliven, Bulgaria.

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in light of the recent rekindling of people's love for vampires, I'm inclined to let y'all know that, in Bulgarian folklore, once a vampire can step out of their grave in a physical body, that body lacks any bones and is propped up by cartilage alone. Meaning they appear quite soft and literally jiggle with every step. Also, they can appear in various forms, including that of a bagpipe-like leather canteen, except instead of water they're full of blood and able to roll around indepently. Looking forward to these very accurate details being included in the next Hollywood reimagining of vampires!

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the day people realize

animation≠kids content

kids content≠only for kids

is the day i can rest

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Different Love Stories by Yingzong X

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Disney Debunking #2:

Prince Florian is over twice Snow White's age?

This one has been bugging me since I heard it. Apparently "the internet" thinks Snow White's Prince is over double her age: 31 years to her 14, to be exact.

According to KnowYourMeme and a bunch of "internet news" sites, this number is attributed to Twitter's @diordeux, who "did the math" and posted the following:

Convenient that the source url on that google search is obscured by the image... 🤔

Diordeux has since deleted the post, set their account to private, and changed their profile picture to the kid from The Boondocks. I could have reached out to him/her, but... Yeah, social interactions are a big NOPE for me. 😅

Doing a Google search myself, I can't find any reliable sources stating the Prince's age. Nearly every website just says "it is believed..." or "it is speculated..."

This is where wikipedia (or your English teacher) will give you a little "By whom? Source needed" note.

I did find another site , however, which linked back to a reddit post containing the following image:

Source:

https://www.reddit.com/r/dataisbeautiful/comments/f3pk57/oc_the_surprising_age_gaps_of_disney_couples/

The creator, one Zachary Bisenio, apparently got this information from "Other Various Sources". Yeah, the dude just gave us the Mary Ann treatment.

(Imagine there's a Gilligan's Island gif here. My connection is crappy and the gif library won't load tonight.)

This reddit image was posted only "1 year ago", so it seems diordeux may have been another "Various Source". I have no idea where this 31 years number came from, aside from someone pulling it out of Ferdinand the Bull's butt.

So how old is Prince Florian really? A few Quora.com writers speculate he's only 17-18, mostly based on the fact that he's short (not much taller than Snow White). Dude has a *very* manly voice though. And a man's voice can continue to change/deepen until he's 25. Depending on the angle, Florian goes from looking boyishly teenaged to a serious case of old-face. Disney animators reportedly had a very hard time drawing and animating him.

Some pictures I'd be willing to say he's 15, but... That voice kills it for me! Waaaaay too deep and settled. I'd have to guess he's anywhere from 17-25 years old.

I can't find the source of the following image, but as this post constitutes Fair Use for the sake of analysis, I'll have to post it without attribution. If anyone knows the source, please DM me!

Whichever book that image is from, it shows how more modern depictions show Florian looking much younger.

Final Verdict: This one is false. Prince Florian is definitely not 31, and no reliable source can be provided he is. Due to his younger appearance in post-film media but his deep and manly voice, I would guess he is between 17-25. Hopefully 17. Still one of my least-favorite Disney Princes though.

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Ignore the spelling mistakes ^^

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Wishing a very happy Pride Month to everyone, but especially to my fellow Bulgarian (& Balkan) trans folks. We will survive and thrive against all odds! 🏳️‍⚧️🏳️‍🌈

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A taste of your love to quench my thirst.

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Rochelle Goyle, Daughter of the Gargoyles

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Made a Monster High oc! I imagine her to be Viperine’s step-sister 🐍💖

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the urge to read hamlet for the 1027349812374 time this week just to feel something

#why has my ap lit class led me such a dangerous road #hamratio #shakespeare #shakesqueer #willy shakes #hamlet #angsty #macbeth #ophelia #alls well that ends well #romeo and juliet #depressed #sad #im sad and lonely #im sad yall #im sad okay #shakespeeps

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the dabloons trend on tiktok is curing my crippling loneliness. it's okay that i don't have any friends, at least my cat is a broke student at dabloon university, works at dabloon mcdonalds, has 200 loafs of bread and a gun, is a member of a rebellion, and gets robbed every other video.

#i have no irl friends lol #i want friends #dabloontok #dabloonsona #dabloon economy #dabloon tiktok #tiktok #cat #kitten #dabloon inflation #dabloons #four dabloons #dabloon cat #dabloonville #cats #kittens