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tremorsismyhero · 1 year
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Just watched the movie Desk Set and wow it would make a fantastic Fitzsimmons AU fic. I really do need to start getting back into writing
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tremorsismyhero · 1 year
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Talking about season 5 and unpacking some of my issues with it also makes me wanna write a rewrite fic of that season too, which now I have to prioritize which to pick first.
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tremorsismyhero · 1 year
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I can see that. I do think part of my problem comes from my personal aversion to “multiverse” type time travel, partly because the conflict is often resolved similarly to how Shield did it, which as I said I find a bit cheap, narratively, and partly because I think too much about how, in multiverse type time travel, I think the hero’s feel less heroic bc they’re not technically “saving” anyone, so much as setting themselves up to be in the timeline where everyone is saved, which comes with the glaring reminder to me that there’s still a multiverse where everything goes to shit, and it often feels very “fuck you, got mine”-esque, even when it’s clearly not the writer’s intention.
It’s probably why is generally prefer season 7, because at least they pretty much just say outright my “what about the other timeline, though?” Problem outloud in the finale (although I think how it’s brought up always feels a bit sloppy but that’s a conversation for another day)
The multiverse type time travel stuff is just unavoidable in the MCU at this point though so it’s not just the AOS writer’s fault.
In general, time travel is something that is very hard to get right to me. The best kind in my opinion is when they thread the needle of time being fixed but what the characters are aware of is vague enough that their choices/actions matter. As much as I’m over Harry Potter bc of JKR, I think Prisoner of Azkaban is my ideal time travel, where the timeline *always* happened the specific way where they saved Buckbeak and Sirius, but they didn’t have all of the information so they still had to choose to do the right things in order to set it all in motion (I.e going back in time at the right moment, Harry casting his patronus instead of waiting around for his dad). Unfortunately, it’s pretty impossible to do it that way when you’re starting premise is “the earth is literally in fragments”, so it was probably destined to be unsatisfying to me from the get go.
Season 5 is just not my favorite, and a lot of that is how I really, really don’t like the direction they took the characters in 5b. I don’t like how contrived the conflict between the characters is, I don’t like how they had characters either dumbed down or made into the cruelest version of themselves or had the characters completely allergic to nuance or listening to their teammates. All it did was make me angry and wish for the season to end.
However, something that is also EXTREMELY aggravating about season 5 is just how cheap the central conflict of the season is. We are told again and again that time is fixed, that the future is rigid and unchanging, etc. It wasn’t just a claim that Fitz made, it was textually supported in the show by Spacetime in season 3 and by extension the season 3 finale, and by the causal loops in season 5a. Then in order to ‘break the loop’ in season 5 they just… do it. And they do it in a way that feels entirely driven by out of character choices.
The loop breaks because Daisy has the centipede serum, which would imply that this is the only timeline in which Coulson gives it to her, something that’s absolutely ludicrous. Even if this weren’t out of character, the idea that breaking a causal time loop is as simple as a character just making a different choice is on its face lazy. It makes the establishment of the loop feel unnecessary and just for the sake of artificial conflict. Seriously, how could the loop even happen to begin with if characters could just decide to do whatever at the most convenient time? What is purpose of the narrative choice to include a time loop at that point?
I have no problem shows establishing and breaking and rewriting established rules of a universe, that’s part of storytelling and frankly it’s inevitable in long form media like television.
What I have a problem with is when you break rules in major, status quo changing ways with little to no explanation simply because you raised the stakes so high that you have no way of resolving your narrative without doing so. It feels incredibly lazy. “How do we solve this massive threat wherein the only solution is counter to the established rules of the narrative? We just do. No more question.”
Season 5 just comes off as incredibly unpolished and lazy for all of these reasons, and it’s made even more noticeable after season 4, which is one of the most polished, tightly written, and well paced seasons of television I’ve ever seen.
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tremorsismyhero · 1 year
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That’s where I disagree.
I don’t care much about the MCU at all, and I’m so, so glad we got season 7, as it’s my second favorite, and I’m even grateful we got the good stand alone episodes and some of the mini arcs we got in seasons 5 and 6. I think the MCU’s obsession with the interconnectedness of a bloated franchise universe only hurts each individual story. Shield’s first film crossover was also the only one that was really good, and the show got better the further it drifted from the films. The hamfisted Thanos stuff at the end of season 5 ultimately didn’t go anywhere anyway and they could have just dropped that plot and given Talbot literally any other major threat, and it probably would have been a marginal improvement.
As far as being banished to a different timeline, I don’t really care tbh. The Feige Stamp Of Approval ™ is meaningless to me. Although he technically hasn’t un-canoned it and the end of season 7 supposedly put us back in the correct timeline but idk and idc.
As much as I would like to see Daisy and Coulson back because I adore them, I don’t think I would have preferred random stories featuring some of the characters interacting with random MCU guys to more time with them together. Part of the magic of the Shield team and what kept me invested in them is the fact that they’re a team, they’re stories work best together. Seeing Fitz and Tony doing science would do nothing for me other then a temporary “Oh dope!” moment, and I wouldn’t want it at the expense of more time with shield and their story as a whole.
Season 5 is just not my favorite, and a lot of that is how I really, really don’t like the direction they took the characters in 5b. I don’t like how contrived the conflict between the characters is, I don’t like how they had characters either dumbed down or made into the cruelest version of themselves or had the characters completely allergic to nuance or listening to their teammates. All it did was make me angry and wish for the season to end.
However, something that is also EXTREMELY aggravating about season 5 is just how cheap the central conflict of the season is. We are told again and again that time is fixed, that the future is rigid and unchanging, etc. It wasn’t just a claim that Fitz made, it was textually supported in the show by Spacetime in season 3 and by extension the season 3 finale, and by the causal loops in season 5a. Then in order to ‘break the loop’ in season 5 they just… do it. And they do it in a way that feels entirely driven by out of character choices.
The loop breaks because Daisy has the centipede serum, which would imply that this is the only timeline in which Coulson gives it to her, something that’s absolutely ludicrous. Even if this weren’t out of character, the idea that breaking a causal time loop is as simple as a character just making a different choice is on its face lazy. It makes the establishment of the loop feel unnecessary and just for the sake of artificial conflict. Seriously, how could the loop even happen to begin with if characters could just decide to do whatever at the most convenient time? What is purpose of the narrative choice to include a time loop at that point?
I have no problem shows establishing and breaking and rewriting established rules of a universe, that’s part of storytelling and frankly it’s inevitable in long form media like television.
What I have a problem with is when you break rules in major, status quo changing ways with little to no explanation simply because you raised the stakes so high that you have no way of resolving your narrative without doing so. It feels incredibly lazy. “How do we solve this massive threat wherein the only solution is counter to the established rules of the narrative? We just do. No more question.”
Season 5 just comes off as incredibly unpolished and lazy for all of these reasons, and it’s made even more noticeable after season 4, which is one of the most polished, tightly written, and well paced seasons of television I’ve ever seen.
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tremorsismyhero · 1 year
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I see where you’re coming from, but to me the show has made it completely arbitrary which choices matter and which don’t. Choices didn’t matter in Spacetime and they didn’t matter enough to save Lincoln in the season 3 finale or the world in Deke’s timeline, but they magically matter at the end of season 5, when absolutely nothing about the nature of choosing has changed. It’s not Fitz’ fatalism, it’s a fact of the universe of the show, right up until the point where the writers had literally no other way out of the problem they wrote themselves into for higher stakes.
It’s just such cheap resolution to the plot, and it has very little to say about the nature of choice as a whole, given that they are arbitrarily effective. We even know that the sequence of events that led to the earth being saved were virtually identical to the ones that led to its destruction, given we see the footage of Daisy storming out of the quinjet in the future. That puts the the change either in Coulson giving her the serum in only the corrected timeline, which is completely contrived, or Daisy only noticing the serum in the corrected timeline, which defeats the choice theme entirely, it’s just random chance, and I think would be an even worse resolution than Coulson only giving her the serum in one timeline, which is already pretty bad.
Also, it’s thematically hollow in that the choice was made by people who always believed there was a shot at changing the future. There was no lesson for them to learn, and the person who did have a lesson to learn was killed before he could learn it.
Narratively speaking, it’s also the case that any of the characters who believed they could change time, would have always chosen what they did in the corrected timeline. We’re given no explanation *why* they chose differently this time, they just did. What was different this time?
Choices matter is a great theme, but it’s a bit lazy and incomplete to not even attempt to explain why they only just started mattering with regard to time, or why the choices were different enough to have an effect this time vs in the original time loop.
There’s also the question of whether or not any of it needed to happen at all. Even without Robin and Enoch’s intervention, Shield would not have let anyone get infused with gravitonium, and without all that prophecy and future knowledge, none of the events leading to Talbot getting it would have happened. Having the catalyst for the problem be an attempt to avert it is a great concept, but having the resolution and outcome to that be fundamentally the same as it would have been if they never attempted to avert it anyway becomes less good. Just one big “what was the point”, narratively. It just felt like everyone needlessly suffered (most especially Daisy), and again, doesn’t do many favors for the choice theme.
Ultimately, the season 5 writers just wrote themselves into a corner with the massive stakes. Having the characters time travel to a future where the earth is completely destroyed, in a universe where time is previously established to be fixed, where the resolution to that conflict is simultaneously dependent on them breaking the loop to save the world, and also *not* breaking the loop, because there are necessary narrative beats dependent on that causality and world saving information they get because of the time loop, is setting yourself up for failure.
Unfortunately, realistically the only way out of that set up was the one they went with, but they did that to themselves. The whole entire season needs massive rewrites imo. I understand why some people like it, I think it has some decent stand alones and the themes it’s attempting are interesting, but I think it does not stick the landing even a little bit. I think you’re definitely right about them not making up their mind about what they wanted to say. I *think* they were going for nuance and ambiguity but it came out as contradictory and muddy and confused. It’s incredibly frustrating.
Sorry for the rant it’s just such a massive issue for me whenever I do a rewatch and I get to episode 7ish and I’m like “oh maybe it’s better than I remember” and then I get further and I’m like “oh no it’s not”
Season 5 is just not my favorite, and a lot of that is how I really, really don’t like the direction they took the characters in 5b. I don’t like how contrived the conflict between the characters is, I don’t like how they had characters either dumbed down or made into the cruelest version of themselves or had the characters completely allergic to nuance or listening to their teammates. All it did was make me angry and wish for the season to end.
However, something that is also EXTREMELY aggravating about season 5 is just how cheap the central conflict of the season is. We are told again and again that time is fixed, that the future is rigid and unchanging, etc. It wasn’t just a claim that Fitz made, it was textually supported in the show by Spacetime in season 3 and by extension the season 3 finale, and by the causal loops in season 5a. Then in order to ‘break the loop’ in season 5 they just… do it. And they do it in a way that feels entirely driven by out of character choices.
The loop breaks because Daisy has the centipede serum, which would imply that this is the only timeline in which Coulson gives it to her, something that’s absolutely ludicrous. Even if this weren’t out of character, the idea that breaking a causal time loop is as simple as a character just making a different choice is on its face lazy. It makes the establishment of the loop feel unnecessary and just for the sake of artificial conflict. Seriously, how could the loop even happen to begin with if characters could just decide to do whatever at the most convenient time? What is purpose of the narrative choice to include a time loop at that point?
I have no problem shows establishing and breaking and rewriting established rules of a universe, that’s part of storytelling and frankly it’s inevitable in long form media like television.
What I have a problem with is when you break rules in major, status quo changing ways with little to no explanation simply because you raised the stakes so high that you have no way of resolving your narrative without doing so. It feels incredibly lazy. “How do we solve this massive threat wherein the only solution is counter to the established rules of the narrative? We just do. No more question.”
Season 5 just comes off as incredibly unpolished and lazy for all of these reasons, and it’s made even more noticeable after season 4, which is one of the most polished, tightly written, and well paced seasons of television I’ve ever seen.
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tremorsismyhero · 1 year
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Will do! I have the basic outline in my head but it’s a matter of effort now so that may be a bit harder!
The feminine urge to do a season 7 rewrite fic about what if Fitz was there….
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tremorsismyhero · 1 year
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Season 5 is just not my favorite, and a lot of that is how I really, really don’t like the direction they took the characters in 5b. I don’t like how contrived the conflict between the characters is, I don’t like how they had characters either dumbed down or made into the cruelest version of themselves or had the characters completely allergic to nuance or listening to their teammates. All it did was make me angry and wish for the season to end.
However, something that is also EXTREMELY aggravating about season 5 is just how cheap the central conflict of the season is. We are told again and again that time is fixed, that the future is rigid and unchanging, etc. It wasn’t just a claim that Fitz made, it was textually supported in the show by Spacetime in season 3 and by extension the season 3 finale, and by the causal loops in season 5a. Then in order to ‘break the loop’ in season 5 they just… do it. And they do it in a way that feels entirely driven by out of character choices.
The loop breaks because Daisy has the centipede serum, which would imply that this is the only timeline in which Coulson gives it to her, something that’s absolutely ludicrous. Even if this weren’t out of character, the idea that breaking a causal time loop is as simple as a character just making a different choice is on its face lazy. It makes the establishment of the loop feel unnecessary and just for the sake of artificial conflict. Seriously, how could the loop even happen to begin with if characters could just decide to do whatever at the most convenient time? What is purpose of the narrative choice to include a time loop at that point?
I have no problem shows establishing and breaking and rewriting established rules of a universe, that’s part of storytelling and frankly it’s inevitable in long form media like television.
What I have a problem with is when you break rules in major, status quo changing ways with little to no explanation simply because you raised the stakes so high that you have no way of resolving your narrative without doing so. It feels incredibly lazy. “How do we solve this massive threat wherein the only solution is counter to the established rules of the narrative? We just do. No more question.”
Season 5 just comes off as incredibly unpolished and lazy for all of these reasons, and it’s made even more noticeable after season 4, which is one of the most polished, tightly written, and well paced seasons of television I’ve ever seen.
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tremorsismyhero · 1 year
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The feminine urge to do a season 7 rewrite fic about what if Fitz was there….
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tremorsismyhero · 1 year
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Bobbi and Hunter should've been in the finale hologram Zoom call. That's it. That's the post.
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tremorsismyhero · 1 year
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Bus Kids // Christmas AU
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tremorsismyhero · 1 year
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Fitz will say “Christmas is overrated” and then be knee deep every year in the most extravagant, over the top, computer controlled, synced-to-music light display ever seen because “well, Alya really love the lights, Jemma, we can’t disappoint her”.
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tremorsismyhero · 1 year
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Daisy went through a bazillion different looks and every single one was 10/10 flawless. She’s so iconic
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tremorsismyhero · 1 year
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Daisy and Sousa work so well together that I, someone who was a staunch “either give daisy a GF or keep her single” believer and preacher since about midway through season four, am obsessed with them. I wish we had gotten to see more of them.
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tremorsismyhero · 1 year
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After a while she stops doing it and Fitz forgets all about it and Simmons and Fitz get married and have Alya and life is going great.
Daisy visits the Perthshire Cottage ™ with Sousa during their fabulous honeymoon slash shield assignment. They eat dinner and after dinner they’re playing a game and Fitz and Daisy are on a team together and Sousa and Simmons are on a team together Alya chooses to team up with Daisy and Fitz until Sousa and Jemma start winning, and she switches her allegiance, and she and Jemma start taunting them. Daisy leans over and whispers into Fitz’s ear
“She’s turned the weans against us”
Headcanon that when she first joined the bus Daisy wouldn’t stop doing Limmy quotes at Fitz and when she realized how bad he thought her accent was and how much it irritated him she especially wouldn’t stop doing Limmy quotes at Fitz.
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tremorsismyhero · 1 year
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Headcanon that when she first joined the bus Daisy wouldn’t stop doing Limmy quotes at Fitz and when she realized how bad he thought her accent was and how much it irritated him she especially wouldn’t stop doing Limmy quotes at Fitz.
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tremorsismyhero · 1 year
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I’ve been holding on to this URL way too long I need to start Posting here.
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