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impossiblepackage · 2 years

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Adding this in at the end because I started this post in one place and came to some new conclusions by the time I got to the end, but I think that the entire Locked Tomb series is about love and all the different ways that love can manifest, up to and including evil shit.

99.99% sure that John's imperialist efforts for the last ten thousand years are only possible, only happen the way they do, because one of the ships got away. They killed the planet and left everyone to die so he really killed it and the rest of the solar system to make sure they didn't get to just go on, but he failed, and they got away. Think about that for a minute.

Imagine what it must have been like to finally find where those trillionaire assholes went. Suddenly discovering a group of people living somewhere you and the people you killed and resurrected have never been. Going somewhere entirely new, and finding humans where you expected to find nothing. I imagine he first thought "what the fuck, how did they get here?" At least until he realized how they got there. They lived like gods back on earth, and fucked over everyone along the way right up until the end when they hijacked the "save humanity" project to save themselves and only themselves. They lived like gods back on earth, but now he is a god. A vengeful one, at that.

I dunno. Obviously John is an evil, selfish, hateful man, but this all started with trying to save the world and watching a bunch of powerful people decide that they didnt want to save the world. In a lot of ways, the Locked Tomb series is about love. It's about a bunch of other things, too, but I think it's mostly love. Every character, every story beat is in some way about love. Love haunts these books. It looms.

Harrow is made because her parents love their House, and they love her in their own weird kinda fucked up way. They wanted the absolute best they could give her and it turns out that evil space wizards cand give a lot. Gideon isn't loved by anyone her whole life, and craves it so so so much. The necro-cav pairs of the 4th and 5th love each other and others so much that they're willing to die twice. Ianthe loves her sister and her self and most of her choices are fueled by that. Camilla and Palamedes love each other, and the Lyctors all love their cavaliers. I could go on, but honestly I can't think of any plot points that aren't driving by at least one person's love for something or someone. Which leaves John, Emperor Undying, Necrolord Prime, TurboHitler, Complete Bastard, and....scientist? The story of his rise to power is the story of a scientist his compatriots trying desperately to save as much of humanity as possible. A single ship is about to escape, chock full of the rich and powerful, their loved ones, and their servants employees? Not if my suitcase nuke has anything to say about it. He tells the world "if these fuckers try to leave us here, I'm gonna blow them to hell" and they said "lol. Lmao, even. We out." and next thing you know, he killed the entire solar system and some of them still got away.

I dunno man, I feel like if John didn't love the world, he wouldnt have been trying to stop the ship. He would have been trying to get on that ship.

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raven · 1 year

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I’m not trying to get you crucified here but tbh I would love to hear your locked tomb criticisms and feel validated in mine

So like im not a professional hater for it bc i simply didnt like it and i only make well thought out analyses if i enjoy the thing a lot for whatever reason and to me tlt is more of a whimper than a bang. so this isnt the most well thought out & its been a year or maybe 2 since i read it. but lets go. i read the first 2 books & not nona the ninth btw, and i enjoyed gideon for the most part due to I Love Murder Mysteries. but once its no longer a murder mystery(& confined to one location) i felt like the whole thing fell apart. (That being said i will suffer through a LOT for a murder mystery) harrow the ninth was like.. confusing and i know thats the point but it couldnt carry itself well enough. like i like confusing narratives i like nonsense and i like it when it doesnt make sense. but it just like. wasnt.. good? i really cant elaborate without rereading and i dont really want to. Also it was very predictable which, how can u be confusing and predictable, idk, ask harrow the ninth

so like anyways the writing is pretty annoying. i cant say its bad writing because it's competent enough but it's like oh my god you referenced this meme from 2016 tumblr you are SO. FUNNY. like i felt like as soon as i would be like "ok this is real im getting into it" someone would drop the dumbest line in the entire world that was a reference to an outdated meme. (I wish i took notes in my book to give you an example but like... you know exactly what im talking about if you've read any of it lmfao) people are like "gideon is just annoying" and yeah, she really was, but her narration in the first book had much fewer meme references and it was therefore sooo much more tolerable imo. Like harrow was genuinely SO bad for it. but both books i read felt very very juvenile. like people will be like "it is NOT ya" but then why does it feel like ya. like ya isnt just subject matter, i would argue that the defining feature in all the ya i read as a teen was in its tone and style. and tlt totally has a similar tone. in an annoying way. like "oh funny and relatable" but like due to everyone talking like a 17 year old from tumblr.com in the year 2015 it was not like, atmospheric at all. and a lot of harrow the ninth is about The Vibe. And the vibe was not coming across well. it just completely prevented me from feeling like i was in another world in like, any way. and this is a pretty fantastical setting..

and now we move on to the fandom of it all. i saw a really good post a few days ago that i did not reblog or save but it was criticizing how ianthe specifically was written like, intentionally playing into fandom troping and it genuinely shows so hard and it's really annoying. like. ok. so i told my friend that ianthe was just discount nanami from utena. and they were like "that is not true because ianthe is a discount homestuck character, also how dare you say that about nanami." (Idk anything about homestuck so i cant tell you any more there) but isnt that crazy. she is a knock off of many. anyways so like her whole purpose is to i dont know. fuck things up in an incredibly non threatening manner? like she was not necessary but its like Omg #Failgirl! god i wish i could find the post because i am not putting it into words

i also generally found the relationships and characters to be pretty uncompelling. like i didnt really care about gideon and harrow it was like woah they like each other now. wasnt really feelin it. i know a lot of people like it and thats fine though. the characters i liked the best were camilla and palamedes and then they dropped the bomb that palamedes was a heterosexual and i was genuinely so upset. like the man had fag vibes. "Oh he could be bisexual" the thing is that he wasnt though. soooooo. this is like so unimportant but i really did feel very betrayed. bc like gay people exist in the series. and not him..? fuck off

Ok thats all for now good bye if anyone want me to reread the books and take notes and critique for real give me money i would do it and i would be so thorough. but i know i dont do these things often so you cant really trust my analysis skills so thats fine. anyways. yeah. um anon if you have thoughts on the books let me know i love to read them tbh. sorry this post is so long i am on my cell phone and i feel like it doesnt deserve a read more. sorry

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