#to basically be *it* with Marcille and Falin's interactions. Like there's just so little between them. Falin is barely in it.

[death-rebirth-senshi]

Now that I've finished dungeon meshi I have to say, while I understand the disappointment with fandom's constant obsession with shipping two dudes in fandom typical ways and ignoring the women/men that don't fit a certain mold and basically ignoring the entire rest of the story...

People acting so indignant that people would do gay or even straight shipping, because this manga is such a super women-led yuri show that's all about the power of Marcille's all-consuming love for Falin, are absolutely fucking bonkers and have lost the plot.

That is not to say that these shippers are not insane or can't be annoying in the typical ways that they are, or that Marcille/Falin aren't the most shippable pairing and just about the closest you're gonna get to something romantic in Dungeon Meshi (it's a platonic ass story and I love that), or that it wouldn't be nice for the fandom around something to stay mostly devoted to the closest to a canon pairing most shippable F/F ship. It would. But like. I don't know I'm kind of upset by that attitude now

And my intention is not to be super negative about Marcille/Falin fans, because they are certainly not all like this, it's just. WHOO! That is just so not remotely what Dungeon Meshi is about to a degree I still wasn't prepared for despite being aptly warned.

#dungeon meshi tag #like this isn't a case where you'd have to shove every female character out the way to do your gay shipping exactly. #Again. I would not call these men very shippable with each other. And I would never tell anyone not to bitch and be snobby. #Bitch and be snobby always! #I'm just saying this attitude more than anything else is what gave me a different impression of what the show would be like #and the refusal to engage with a work for what it is is one of the annoying things about fandom shipping culture #like I wasn't expecting the relationship between Marcille and Falin to be SO understated. I wasn't expecting the bathroom hands #to basically be *it* with Marcille and Falin's interactions. Like there's just so little between them. Falin is barely in it. #And being super indignant that people would dare to ship Marcille with what the story clearly acts like is basically boy Falin #a character she actually spends the entire manga with and has a developed relationship with and that she clearly loves #(I think in general there are a few too many posts to my liking that toe a line towards 'gay shipping icky' for my tastes. But I get it) #I don't think I've been this gaybaited by something on tumblr for close to a decade which is also part of what's grinding my gears

[britcision]

Not gonna lie, we’ve been watching YuYu Hakusho alongside the release of Delicious In Dungeon and uh

It’s been illuminating

Like on the one hand hoooooooboy you can taste the 90s animation techniques (and the Netflix version is somehow more strobey and seizure bait, and they’ve fucked random chunks of audio?? I have the dvds I can prove they’ve fucked around)

On the other hand… yeah, it really, really highlights what people have already been talking about with the Delicious In Dungeon - the pacing issues, especially with going shot for shot from the manga instead of embracing their own medium

Cuz I will stand by YuYu Hakusho being the best anime version of a manga I’ve ever seen. It’s true to the manga, but keeps up the pacing and fleshes things out by leaning more into the side characters, and particularly our audience surrogates, Koenma and George

The fights all pace well because we cut to the people watching them, so it’s not just repetitive punch punch punch shots (although we do get those)

Whereas this week’s episode of DunMeshi in particular…. Really suffered from skewed pacing on that fight

They had way too much time just standing around talking, both with the harpies and in between Falin’s attacks, and I’d bet even an anime-only fan could pick out which shots were literal panels in the anime because nothing moved to flow between them

Those shots of the separated groups especially; this is anime, not manga. Those people could have been moving, interacting, doing things instead of panning over a still

I get that it takes more time and money but this was a really significant fight and it does make me worry a little for season 2, because the red dragon fight also had some pacing problems (although to a much lesser degree) and season 2 is when the combat pops off

I really do appreciate them wanting to do a faithful interpretation of the manga and sticking close to Ryoko Kui’s vision, but anime is its own medium and by sticking too closely they’re not taking full advantage of that medium

You have more time to fill in an animated episode vs a manga chapter because your characters literally move and flow, and three panels of action happen in a second

They’ve been folding two or three chapters into each episode, but this week’s especially (ep 17) really played too close to that two chapter timeline, instead of taking out the important story beats and the time to fill and working out how to pace around that instead

(Funnily enough though, they actually nailed the exact same kinda pacing issue in the exact same episode for the Laios and Shuro fight; that one was fucking great, it was clear that action was ongoing even while we focused on other people, and it had good weight and emphasis despite being largely offscreen, just like the harpy fight should have been

I. Guess. They coulda put more work into that than the Falin fight? Cuz it’s a huge character moment but for fuck’s sake Chimera!Falin SHOULD be the bigger one! We the audience got hints but this was the REVEAL)

Honestly just… the 1000% disinterest in the harpy fight was jarring, and it leading immediately into the Falin fight that was basically stop motion without the time lapse didn’t help

Cutting to Marcille and Shuro on the shirt tear was fucking great though, chef’s kiss, someone out there is still watching over us, I just hope they work out a happy medium soon

I get that there’s lots of iconic and fantastic panels in the manga, I made a complete summary of every single chapter, but the anime shouldn’t be showing them as stills

The characters should be moving in between them, not snapping from one face to the next like a slide show

In a perfect world I’d also love some more little character asides and things a la YYH, but there just isn’t the same easy audience characters to cut to

But but but

Thistle reacting a la Koenma to some snippets of the bullshit in his dungeon would give me fucking LIFE he can’t be watching all the time for obvious plot reasons but I want him to find a veggie golem

I want him to see the kraken and find some leftovers and be searching for Delgal and plotting their dinner and wondering why he can smell something delicious and what is it and can he make that

Move the background stuff that got cut from the Tances’ episodes, cut to Namari and the twins hanging out and talking about leg guards, there’s SO MUCH supplemental material

It might be less one for one to the manga but it’d stop the weird dragging out and give us something more, something extra to appreciate the anime on its own merits

It’s nice to have an anime experience that is very close to reading the manga, but it’s something really special to have the anime shine and add to the experience on its own

Anyway next week is the shapeshifter and I’m so hype for that and wondering if they are gonna include just a smidge of meta knowledge since Kui did tell us whose impersonations are whose 👀

#dungeon meshi #delicious in dungeon #dungeon meshi spoilers #delicious in dungeon spoilers #yuyu hakusho #yu yu hakusho #dungeon meshi anime #spoilers for ep 17 of delicious in dungeon

[eclecticopposition]

falin/marcille and laios/kabru. mav/kcom. alizarin/neon. octave/kor. friss/aleen/dianida. friss/blitz (puttin' on the fritz). kalrin/rythis. kalrin/valope. ohnyxx/mesuid. mesuid/kalrin/ohnyxx. regius/bezzle. argyro/randoh/dolome. so many questions, so little time. leaving dynamic and nature of relationship intentionally vague, giving free license to talk as much as you want about any or all of these

you're a war criminal. we love you.

these are our first vague dartboard instincts. we might change our mind about these as things go. looking at it again, these results are skewed because the ships are all pretty good. everything would be way further to the top left if there were actual ships that we don't like on here. like, you've got baseline "yeah, I could see it" interest eyebrows.

Starting from the bottom left and working counterclockwise...

Marcille/Falin: This is basically canon, we just don't care much. Good art though.

Laios/Kabru: We like both of these characters a lot and we can see where people are coming from. We also just mostly don't care. Maybe slightly more than Farcille because we actually like seeing them interact with each other and want to see where it goes? It's hard to get us on a ship without good dialogue.

Regius/Bezzle 🕺: WE HATE HIM GET HIM OUT OF OUR HALLWAY. OUT. WE'RE COMPELLED TO THROW THINGS. GOD. FUCK OFFFFFFF

Bottom right, now...

Ohnyxx/Mesuid: We can see the dynamic, we just don't like it. It is very one-sided, but it is also very funny. We could be talked into putting it higher with a good pitch.

Kalrin/Mesuid/Ohnyxx: We like this one a little more because we think Kalrin should get bullied and Ohnyxx should get mad about it and Mesuid should get in over her head. One very good fanfic could convince us.

Alizarin/Neon: Ah, they who run the gamut. Love these two. Two utopians who just won't stop.

Top right. Hi we love you.

Friss/Blitz: THEEEEEEE MOST TOXIC SHIP with a potential competitor in any ship Aleen has ever been in. It's SO bad. We want Friss to take complete control of this relationship and self-destruct so badly. We want to see Blitz be a smartass. We want to see Blitz overestimate themself. We want them to both be composed icy assholes with an unbelievable amount of history because one of them helped kill ALMOST EVERYONE FRISS KNOWS. You KNOW we are on this shit on some level we LITERALLY wrote them having a martial arts duel where for bug gender reasons they both mostly use their legs

Mav/K-Com: You know this is so funny. You know it is. They have chemistry. This is a classic for a reason.

Kalrin/Valope: See we could SEE it. You know we could see it. These two would go together. Give us one really good fake dating AU because you know they are doing it for more fucked up nefarious reasons than any that have ever been seen before. They could kill each other. Kalrin canonically likes her. Are they attracted to each other? Probably not. Or like, maybe a little. But that never mattered. What matters is the scheme.

Kalrin/Rythis: This is cheating. This is cheating you can't do this to us. You know we love Rythis. You KNOW that this whole thing is a disaster that actually works because we TOLD YOU. You can't take out this thing that we said would start to fix Kalrin Pyrhis knowing that we SAID that for the first time in their life they would catch feelings and then get FUCKING DUMPED and ACTUALLY BE SO MAD ABOUT IT

And the laudable top left;

Friss/Aleen/Dianida: Two things. 1) This ship is canon, Dianida just doesn't know it. And 2) We oscillate between being like "meh" and being like LOOK AT OUR AWFUL OLD WOMEN. LOOK AT FRISS. LOOK AT THIS TRAGEDY. COME PLAY A KINGDOM GAME WITH US. This is a case of "sometimes can't muster two words, sometimes can talk for an hour."

Regius/Bezzle 😔: OKAY. FINE. YOU GOT US. IT'S EXTREMELY COMPELLING. THESE HORRIBLE MEN GOT US. OKAY? ARE YOU HAPPY? WE ARE COMPELLED BY THIS SHIMMY SHAKING CREEP AND THIS EVIL YOUTH PASTOR. WE WOULD ONLY BE MORE COMPELLED IF THEY GOT EMOTIONALLY INVOLVED. ARE YOU KIDDING ME? THIS WOULD SKYROCKET TO TOP-SLIGHTLY RIGHT IF THEY GOT EMOTIONALLY INVOLVED. IF THEY WERE EVEN A LITTLE BIT IN LOVE INSTEAD OF JUST BEING FUCKING AWFUL QUID PRO QUO GOLF PARTNERS. WE WOULD BE ON THE EDGE OF OUR SEAT. CAN YOU IMAGINE. CAN YOU *IMAGINE.*

Octave/Kor: Listen. We just. Sometimes you draw things. Sometimes you think about things. These two are actually good together. We don't even know or care if it's romantic. There is a trust and they are both such angry competent people. Parentified children in a world with no parents. This is so important to us as the biggest, most vital relationship that Octave makes for themself. This is a legitimate loyalty bond.

Argyro/Randoh/Dolome: IT'S SO FUCKING GOOD. THREE OF OUR ALL TIME FAVORITE GUYS. THIS DESERVES THE EPIC OF THE CENTURY. IT'S. UNBELIEVABLE!! IT IS UNBELIEVABLE. TWO GUYS WHO DO NOT KNOW WHAT HORS D'OEUVRES ARE AND ARE TRYING TO FUCKING FAKE IT SO BAD. ONE GUY WHO KNOWS EXACTLY WHAT HORDERVES ARE AND IT'S YOU. WHAT IS THAT VERY FAST MAN DOING ON YOUR ROOF. ALEXA PLAY TASTY FISH

#LONG ASS POST. WE LOVE DOLOME. THANK YOU #cal #long post #asks #just. posting this as it is before it kills us. laundry time