#thots and prayers.tm

[noctvrnal9999]

Ascended Astarion, Cazador Szarr and how they are NOT alike (at all)

Some of you probably saw this coming already, that I would go out of my way to talk about the whole "Ascended Astarion is Cazador 2.0" thing because it's such a ridiculous notion. Here it is, my personal take on why I disagree.

First and foremost I will address the whole: "Oh my GOD Astarion follows the Four Rules right from the beginning!" mindset. Here they are, the rules as Vellioth passed them down onto Cazador:

First, thou shalt not drink of the blood of thinking creatures.

Second, thou shalt obey me in all things.

Third, thou shalt not leave my side unless directed.

Four, thou shalt know that thou art mine.

Rule one is pretty obvious - don't drink blood of thinking creatures. That's one of the tools Cazador used to keep his Spawn subservient and demoralized. We don't get any in-game information that Cazador went back on this rule in any instance whatsoever, seems it was very much set in stone for him. Ascended Astarion (which I will shorthand to AA from this point on) breaks this rule the moment he Ascends with his Blood Bride/Groom. Not only he gives player character his blood (willingly, I will mention), he speaks also about drinking PC's blood and they drinking his:

Already breaking the very first rule he himself had to obey for two centuries. And in-game mechanics support this of course, PC can use Bite action on anyone who is not classified as undead (like Astarion, for example, PC can freely chomp on him if they wish so).

Rule two is also obvious - Cazador compelled his Spawn through his bond as their master. That is evident in the scene where Astarion's siblings attack the camp:

They have no choice but to obey Cazador's command even if they struggle. The only reason Astarion is free because of the tadpole. We could apply same logic to Bride/Groom PC, that Astarion cannot compel PC only because of the tadpole. However, PC can ask Astarion about this:

To which he replies:

The implication here is that he thinks he can compel PC but he's choosing not to. Now, whenever you subscribe to the theory I presented before that he can't compel PC and is lying or not, it's up to you, but if we're taking this line at face-value only it's very very clear - AA is not going to compel PC, to him it's a ridiculous idea (Why would I need to?). He trusts that PC and him are on the same page (and personally I read the second part of his sentence as being cheeky, but maybe that's just me.)

Rule three, just like first two, is simple and easy to understand - don't leave your "master" unless directed. Cazador sent out his Spawn to lure victims for two hundred years, however, Astarion, if we believe he can compel PC, is not even attempting to make PC stay by his side (or send them away, for that matter). All he says is this:

And this is in conversation about not being able to walk in the sun, which is about his newfound powers being extended to PC. Nothing in any dialogues (that I can remember) suggests that he commands PC to stay by his side. The only such dialogue option appears in the epilogue (keep in mind that epilogue was added later) and if you legitimately argue with AA (I would never do it but there's some crazies out there, stay safe xoxo) but to be completely honest you can ask for your freedom:

To which he replies:

Even if we take this as "daunting" as some people portray it to be, we still see AA acting more like a brat-tamer than a cruel master Cazador has been. Try putting these lines into Cazador's mouth and tell me they work lol.

Rule four is self explanatory. And this one we can definitely apply to AA. From the moment of Ascension he insists confirming to PC that well, they are his, but he also emphasizes that he is theirs in turn (if blood drinking line is anything to go by). Vampires by nature are possessive, it makes sense that AA feels the need to speak about it. PC is the only person he ever loved, now he's expressing that love, albeit maybe a tad intensively (according to some).

But on the flip side, where AA can be seen as possessive as Cazador, AA does 180 and shares his power and status with PC. There's an incredible amount of lines in the game where he speaks about being equals, sharing power and standing side by side, unlike Cazador.

And these are just couple from same conversation, there's so many more, but pay close attention how many times he says "we" or "you and me". PC is not just a spawn to him, not someone to be controlled but a true equal, sharing power, wealth and goals.

Which leads me to another point that needs addressing and emphasizing - AA is still a vampire, just like Cazador. Yes, these two creatures are power-hungry, that's in their nature, in any vampire's nature. I'll draw attention to the fact that even as a Spawn, Astarion is hungry for power and freedom. Once he has freedom, his goal still remains power. While Cazador's goal was to become Ascendant, AA's is well, world domination, basically. He surely has the time if not power to try and achieve that. However, this doesn't make him "just like" his former master, it just makes him a vampire.

And let's not forget that even before becoming a vampire Astarion was already power-hungry, which is clear from his choice of career as a Magistrate. Albeit a far shout from world domination, he still sought positions of power even while alive.

So to summarize before this becomes too lengthy - AA is simply a vampire. Not a reflection of his former master. They share some traits because they belong to same caste by the end of Astarion's personal quest, but that doesn't make him any more similar to Cazador than any other Vampire Lord or even Strahd.

Simply put - AA is a monster. Vampires are classified as monsters and they are Lawfully Evil aligned in DnD. Just because he has unpleasant traits, it doesn't mean he took them from Cazador. It just means that he has unpleasant traits. Make the man accountable for his own flaws (or just generic vampire traits), after all, as Ascendant, I'm sure he take it :)

#lord astarion #ascended astarion #thots and prayers.tm

[noctvrnal9999]

Thinking about how Astarion constantly blames Cazador for taking things away (the eye color he forgot, the reflection he doesn't have, for turning him into a vampire) but it's like... it was his own choice to become a spawn. He makes it out to be as if he was given no choice - not true. Vampire lore is known in Baldur's Gate and I will assume here (and build on this) that it was known 200 years ago as well. With that logic - Astarion knew perfectly well what becoming a vampire will entail if not what will being a spawn to a vampire lord will.

So no, Cazador didn't take things from Astarion, he gave them up willingly for immortality and then didn't like that Cazador didn't pamper him like a spoiled brat. Vampires are evil aligned in dnd, it's a fact, Astarion must've known that it's not going to be wine and roses if he signs up and yet he still did. What that says about who he was before becoming a spawn? Quite a bit but that's not what I'm talking about here.

Point is - Astarion rarely takes any accountability for being a vampire, for choosing to be a vampire and blames everyone and everything for his own choices. Cazador didn't take away things, Astarion surrendered them. How Astarion is presented to Tav is through a very human lens and that's why he succeeds making people hate Cazador. But I have been fan of vampires since I was a little kid, my perspective is simply this - he is pathetic as a spawn, he rebels after he doesn't like what he himself signed up for and when he gets punished for it he again blames Cazador for doing what a vampire lord just... simply does - manages his spawn to keep them in toe. Yes, Cazador is awful even by vampiric standards but it just shows that he's not a great leader of his coven lol. Maybe he's only this much sadistic because he has no other way to control the spawn. But I digress.

My point is - whole sob story Astarion presents and that so many fans eat right out of his palm is him refusing to take accountability for his own choices. And that's why ascension is something he desires and will achieve if not talked out of by Tav (with a dice roll when helping him right away requires none of that iirc). He wants power and he wants freedom and again, by vampire standards he's just getting what every vampire desires, there's no amorality involved because morals are already shady at best for vampires as a whole. The whole discourse about Astarion ascending or not literally only comes from human houlier-than-thou attitudes and ignoring that yes, Astarion is an awful person from the very beginning. I mean who attacks you with a fucking knife when you have your back turned? Even Lae'zel faces you upfront. Who attacks you in the night for blood instead of talking? His excuse is lame too "oh you would've staked me" and finding him bent over tav's sleeping form with horrible intentions would not lead to that? You even have an option to stake him several times during the whole scene. He's deceptive, manipulative and he will weasel and lie in every interaction to protect himself. He's not your little meow meow or whatever, he's a vampire. And Astarion himself says that he would trust a devil over a vampire any day.

So all the girlies who think Astarion is this cuddly prince that suddenly becomes a monster the moment he's allowed to become who he always was meant to be just get a reality check. He isn't changed, he's just showing his true colors and finally coming into power that he craved for so long (not ascension per se, just power in general and ascension gives him ultimate power). Does he deserve it - that's another matter. But he craves it and needs it. To quote Astarion himself: "Because those with power can do whatever the Hells they want."

And he's right.

#ascended astarion #baldur's gate 3 #random thoughts this morning #and listen I love Astarion pre and post ascension #what i'm saying here that he's deeply deeply morally corrupt lol #and i love him for that but i'm not going to be ignorant that he's fucking awful #thots and prayers.tm

[noctvrnal9999]

Ascended Astarion, Blood Brides & vampirism

After seeing this post by @missbaphomet (who asked to be tagged, so here you go) I decided to do a semi-deep dive into what it's all about.

Now I'll preface this that I'm more knowledgeable in Vampire the Masquerade tabletop than DnD but if there's vampires I'll be there.

For the purposes of this post I have looked into various guides, e5, Van Richten's guide to Ravenloft, briefly skimmed Curse of Strahd and consulted not one, not two, but three Dungeon Masters. So take my post as you will.

More under cut, this will be long.

It is well known that Astarion is aware of Strahd even before he's Ascended. We get his line that is basically "Strahd wouldn't put up with this shit." So, while it's only a subtle nod to von Zarovich, we still have it in game as canon line.

Now, I find this a very curious line in and on itself. Not only Astarion knows Strahd, he says the line with anger, which is clear indication that he sees Strahd as someone to look up to in one way or another. If you don't know Strahd I encourage you to google and at least read his wiki, he's a very fascinating man and very important in vampirism as a whole in DnD. He's THE vampire, THE villain. But moving on...

So Astarion definitely sees Strahd as someone who would not let himself be disrespected, it's obvious that Astarion if not aspires to be like Strahd, then definitely sees himself as capable (or capable in the future) to be as "revered" as von Zarovich is. That's a tidbit I want you all to remember.

We don't know just how much Cazador spoke to his spawn about vampire politics but they weren't just beasts locked in cages, they were going out, although to get victims for Cazador, they were still out and about. They talked to people, to each other and most likely ran into other vampires or spawn along the way in the centuries that they have been doing Cazador's bidding. This is just simple logic.

So how much Astarion and other spawn could know about Strahd, for example? There's very good reason to think that Strahd's escapades were known in Cazador's palace, as well as among other vampires. We know that Astarion likes to educate himself with whatever might benefit him ("Meanwhile, I think I'll spend some time studying the art of infernal negotiations." Act 2). It's also proven when he desperately wants to have Necromancy of Thay in hopes of finding a way to free himself from Cazador. Astarion seeks knowledge. Again, it's just pure logic to conduct that he knows more than just Strahd's name and that he's a vampire. Otherwise, why would he have the line comparing himself to him in a way that reflects that in some way Astarion reveres Strahd at least to a degree.

We established that Astarion very very likely knows a lot about Strahd, as well as other spawn alongside him. Which leads to this:

Astarion very likely knows about different ways to turn mortals into vampires.

While his own "becoming" has been a simple Spawn creation (with draining blood, burying and needing to dig oneself out), he must know about creation of Blood Brides (and Grooms, but for the sake of less words I'll use she/her and Bride but rituals I'm about to discuss can be done on any sex). Why? Because he must know about Strahd taking brides. If not, his own curiosity about his condition would have led him to learn about different rituals anyway. So based on Astarion's nature and the fact that he seems not only to be aware of Strahd but know the man to a degree of respect, I have no reason to doubt that Astarion knows about Blood Brides.

Keeping this in mind, let's move onto the night of Tav's "becoming". The scene is very clear: whatever path you choose, gentle or not, Astarion bites Tav twice in the cinematic. To become a Blood Bride one needs to be bitten trice, then given blood from the vampire. It's a whole ritual of draining her to delirium, then giving her blood. Now the vampire in question needs to fight his new bride off otherwise she will succumb to madness permanently. Astarion openly mentions he gave Tav "one drop" and seems he bypassed the need to fight her off him by most likely holding her down until his new Bride fell into a coma that leads to death. Generally the feeding is allowed from the neck but Astarion mentioning "one drop" indicates he's trying to be smarter than other vampires. Now this is interesting because to be a spawn one doesn't need their creator's blood. And they do get buried as well, just like Astarion was, while Tav never gets buried. I'm not going to detail how Larian strays from lore such as that vampires still need the dirt they died upon to rest, but we're going here by facts that should align with DnD.

Since we established that Tav is not just a normal Spawn, she was not created in a way other Spawn were, not even Astarion himself. So what IS she? Answer is right here, after all. Not only Astarion chooses her as his partner, he also ensures that she remains as such forever. Remember: Astarion does actually believe he is bestowing a gift when he turns Tav into his Bride - the gift of freedom from aging and death and to be by his side forever. "You are beautiful and you will be beautiful forever" (paraphrasing here).

I see DnD loremasters already shaking their pitchforks at me: can Astarion even do it? On a night of his own transformation? Creating a Blood Bride is something that vampires with a label of Ancient and up can perform, and even then not always successfully. Creating Spawn is much easier than creating a Bride (or several, if we're looking at Strahd). Well, what is an ancient vampire varies from version to version, but ultimately it does not matter. Why? Because Larian homebrewed an entirely new breed of vampire: the Vampire Ascendant.

Larian did not bother to explain in full what does that mean and what actual changes Astarion is going to see in the future once he becomes more accustomed to his powers. But it's completely reasonable to believe he's capable of creating Blood Brides. Simple because a - he attempts it already and succeeds (Tav is turned into one). That's it. Astarion follows the Bride Ceremony and indeed ends up creating a Bride. Not only he performs the ritual in exact way it's described in lore (we see part of it but his words the morning after confirm the rest), he also is capable of doing so because Larian made it canon by letting Tav become a Bride, successfully. She gains the Bite, confirming her transformation and there's not a single conversation piece indicating that Astarion CAN compel Tav in any way. He simply says "Why would I need to?" without establishing that the rules are different for Tav. He also hammers on that point several times: "Spawn is an ugly word, I really do prefer consort." and confirms that Tav will drink his blood without any implication that it's going to be just one time thing. Astarion obviously believes in drinking each others blood as a form of bonding and love.

Tav is not merely his Spawn, she's his Blood Bride. Every fact in game and DnD lore confirms it. And not even once Astarion actually tries to compel Tav (or is able to). Not even when confronting Elder Brain, he has a line encouraging Tav to control the brain, trying to convince her to take the power, instead of compelling her like Cazador used to compel him. There's not a single instance were Astarion controls Tav so the conclusion is simple - he can't. Tav can even argue with him at the epilogue party if she wishes so. That's not behavior of someone controlled, abused and manipulated. She has her free will to the point that she can talk back to him without being punished (something unseen with Cazador, for example). If she can leave him, well, that's another topic altogether, but I'll just say this - I think she can leave him, but he won't let her, not because he can command her to stay but because he's possessive of Tav.

Anyway, here it is, my semi-deep dive into the topic. Keep in mind I'm not a Dungeon Master.

Useful resources:

http://thecampaign20xx.blogspot.com/2016/02/dungeons-dragons-guide-to-vampires.html

https://www.worldanvil.com/w/barovia-billorileycyrus/a/bride-ceremony-article

https://www.dndbeyond.com/posts/1467-playing-as-a-vampire-in-d-d

http://mojobob.com/roleplay/monstrousmanual/v/vampire0.html

https://www.reddit.com/r/CurseofStrahd/comments/126n5yd/creating_vampire_brides_and_grooms/

#ascended astarion #baldur's gate 3 #thots and prayers.tm #some thoughts are messy but forgive me

[noctvrnal9999]

Y'kno what's the best feeling? Finally finding a community that I feel like I belong to. Even if I don't have many mutuals or people I talk to in private or whatever, just seeing people post and talk about shit I agree with is so fucking refreshing. And I mean this specifically for Ascended Astarion. Ever since I got the game I felt like 'spawn ending truthers" are a rabid gang of dogs who will tear you to shreds if you don't share their goodthink. And I was so frustrated.

For months I felt like people are being silenced for liking Ascended ending, I legitimately shut myself out of social media because I couldn't handle people telling me (indirectly) that how I feel and how I read this piece of media is wrong and I'm an awful person for it. It legitimately got me doubting my own trauma, just think how fucking wild that is.

And then... and then tumblr did its magic. And I found people to follow, I found people that agree with me, I found some mutuals and am finding more.

All I'm trying to say - AA fans, I see you, I love you, you're a found family, in a way, and after months of feeling miserable, after months of feeling that there's something wrong with me and how I see things... I feel good again, happy. So thank you all, for existing, for posting, reblogging, commenting, sharing thoughts, etc.

You are all so valid and appreciated.

#ascended astarion #thots and prayers.tm #yeah this shit is sappy as hells but let me get emotional at least sometimes lol

[noctvrnal9999]

Thinking about extremely possessive Cazador tonite. That man absolutely has attachment issues. Bad time. If he finds one person to actually like in any capacity he's clinging to them with feral aggression. He saw his close ones being killed as a punishment for his failures. Can't stop thinking how protective and possessive he'd be of someone if he managed to trust again once he's a Vampire Lord. Phew

#I have feels now yall witnessing them #thots and prayers.tm #cazador szarr #baldur's gate 3

[noctvrnal9999]

Okay, I have a thought again about the whole Astarion cannot compel Tav thing.

It only now clicked to me why I'm so convinced that he can't. As mentioned in my original AA & Blood Brides post I'm more knowledgeable about VtM. Which includes VtMB game. You have one of the NPCs literally dominating you in-game (several times) and making you do what they want

This is how it looks like. And yes it's an RPG as well.

I'm just saying, this game is literally 20 years old. Larian could've easily implemented something similar to show just how poorly Ascended Astarion is treating Tav or/and if he's able to compel them. But there's nothing like this in game. Literally nothing at all.

I rest my case.

EDIT: Idk how I didn't think about this before but if AA can compel Tav then why they are able to break up even after agreeing to be a vampire. Like, why would he let go of a freshly created Spawn if he can simply make them stay.

#ascended astarion #thots and prayers.tm

[noctvrnal9999]

Thinking about how Cazador's content in the game got reduced to almost zero when he was supposed to be semi-major villain in Upper City so all we got left with is "this guy is Astarion's abuser" and while that is correct, that's also not the full intended picture and the only glimpse we have left into what Cazador is outside the "abuser" mold is extremely unlikely scene where you open his coffin without Astarion.

I mourn that cut content.

#cazador szarr #think about Sarevok and Viconia the only reason they don't have depth just like Cazador is cause they are in bg2 #and even then larian did them dirty in bg3 #but Cazador was supposed to be their own invention and they had plans to make him as scary as Astarion paints him to be #but then it doesn't end like that #and I am convinced they are beefing up Cazador's fight with each update to compensate for that grand disappointment #because as I said Astarion talks about Cazador with fear and paints him as BIG BAD and then it's just a fight #it's not an easy fight but still disappointing #thots and prayers.tm

[noctvrnal9999]

people being like "I'm not into Ascended Astarion BUT-"

yes you are, yes you fucking are, embrace it

#like they thirst after him then it's like they are ashamed to admit that they like AA #like girliepops there's whole bunch of us that love AA there's no shame in liking him lol #ascended astarion #thots and prayers.tm

[noctvrnal9999]

I did it, after 1.5k hours I finally DID NOT ascend Astarion.

Never felt more disgusted in my life when playing a game lol. How is that supposed to be the "good" ending? All I heard from him (on a romance path too) is him horribly coping.

At first I failed to pick right options during the Cazador scene and he fucking just left and I was like "you know what, yeah, he should dump Tav's ass for this" and my bf spent at least 30 mins trying to convince me to reroll a save and do it right (I wanted at least one goody-two-shoes playthrough).

Epilogue is so horribly unrewarding too. The romance path ends up with just him... barely even acknowledging the relationship (big big contrast from Ascended where he constantly reminds Tav that they are together) and there's only one miserable "uwu" line when asked about what Tav is to him?

I legitimately don't get how people prefer this. I feel icky for not Ascending him and I'm never doing it again but at least I did it once to have all the save files for reference and I guess that's enough.

Yuck.

#ascended astarion #if you hate ascended this is not a post for you #just piss off there's plenty spawn posts #this is a post for girlies who feel like I do #thots and prayers.tm #Also i have more thoughts than this but I need to digest them and step back

[noctvrnal9999]

Okay, so what about when Astarion says, after you break up with him after Ascension that he would've twisted your love and that he respects you for your choice? Because to me that reads clear as day.

Heh, alright, let's talk about this.

You can read this convo in three ways:

1 - you read it as it is, that the moment he ascended his love for Tav immediately turned malicious which is... such a braindead take I cannot even comprehend how people completely miss who Astarion is as a person the moment he ascends. He's not a different person, not fully and not entirely. He's changed, but he's not different.

2 - you can read it as Astarion being genuine and I mean that he still says what he means but with no malice behind his words. That he truly thinks that in the long run - he would've "corrupted" Tav and their love for him because he's self aware for only that conversation and suddenly realizes that he's a horrible person now (lol)

or

3 - you can see him as coping. First he yells at Tav and flaunts his power, telling how he could've turned them against their will, how he's better without them, how he doesn't need them. I have issue with the whole post break-up conversation (when you refuse to be his spawn) and about how one sided it is. You either tell him he's Cazador 2 (which is utterly absurd but I won't go into that here) or you tell him that you miss the boy he was before ascension which not only shows that Tav haven't listened to a single thing when Ritual of Profane Ascension was discussed AND has an unhealthy view of this man in the first place. Not to mention that you call him a boy, you know, something Cazador did to demean his manhood and independence? Yeah, that. And then somehow people are surprised when he doesn't respond positively. He's not Gale, he's not going to cry in the corner, not anymore. He's stronger and more powerful than he ever was and he won't let Tav who just abandoned him see that he's hurting.

So why the responses about ruining Tav's love and respecting them for the choice? Timing. First he lashes out and shows his fangs like an animal, showing that it doesn't phase him. Only some long rests later he will talk to you when he's calmer. Do you think he's hurting any less? I don't think so. He's hurting, badly. The only person he ever trusted, loved and truly wanted in his life just up and left him, citing how he's "not the same person" anymore. Telling him that they love him exclusively just for certain traits and habits, that his worth resides only in certain aspects of his state of being. Tav is telling him that when he's afraid, when he's weak and when he's unsure and lost is what they prefer. Does that sound right to you?

So what does Astarion can even say in this moment? He still loves Tav, elves rarely fall out of love or remarry, no way his love faded in a mere matter of a handful of days. He loves them, dearly and he's in pain. And now that his anger is lesser after being initially dumped - he still tries to do right by Tav. He tells Tav all the things they want to hear: that he's awful, a monster, that he would've twisted their love. He takes on this image that Tav projects onto him and he wears it as a badge because he knows he cannot have them back, that's settled, but the least he can do is not make Tav regret their choices, either now or later. For their sake.

(and sorry if I'm forward but I'd also like to hear your thoughts on this @bananasfosterparent if you don't mind!)

#ascended astarion #baldurs gate 3 #thots and prayers.tm

[noctvrnal9999]

I see a lot of people started following me recently, so I'll put this as a disclaimed - I fucking love Cazador. I will be posting about him and any other character I love.

The only reason I see to make this post is cause some Astarion stans can't comprehend that people can like both characters. I do. They are pixels, I promise Astarion is not mad at me for simping for Cazador. He won't be mad at you either if you like him. He's pixels, all of them are.

Plus, I just like hot vampire villains ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

#thots and prayers.tm #like i've seen purity police being like OMG YOU LIKE HIS ABUSER YOU DON'T LIKE ASTARION AT ALL THEN #first of all fuck off you can't tell me how i enjoy fictional characters #second of all I WILL FUCK Cazador in front of your salad just to spite you

[noctvrnal9999]

Most hilarious part of my playthroughs is that I gain Astarion's approval like super fast. I reach 40 by second long rest if not more. So usually how it goes I get the bite scene and then when I have to talk to him he's like

"Hey, wanna fuck :)"

And it's endlessly hilarious to headcanon that Tav willingly giving him blood makes him horny.

#I also love the line from him that's like “oh it's just an excuse if anything to sleep with you” and like #yeah my buddy #i see your googly eyes for a Tav that is on the same wavelength as you #thots and prayers.tm #baldur's gate 3 #astarion

[noctvrnal9999]

someone give me some good Cazador content for my soul please because my friend is destroying everything I believe in

#i'm in the trenches being headshot while begging for mercy #thots and prayers.tm

[noctvrnal9999]

@cottonfiend

didn't want to make a long post longer so I'll reply like this.

It's timing. You can't let bite scene trigger so no long rests, bee-line for Gandrel. Kill Gandrel (also unique conversation there). Once Gandrel is dead (and letting Astarion kill him that way is very satisfactory, man just stabs the Gur in the eye and that's it, not even a fight) then cast speak with the dead on the body, Gandrel right away says Astarion is a vampire spawn (among other detaills). Then you can press Astarion why he was so eager to kill the monster hunter. You have at least 2 (maybe 3) dialogues about it.

Also you get wonderful lines such as:

and this is where he can tell you about Cazador

#thots and prayers.tm

[noctvrnal9999]

live picture of me theory-crafting how I could Ascend Astarion, keep Cazador alive and then keep them both as boyfriends ᵒʳ ˡᵉᵗ ᵗʰᵉᵐ ᵏᵉᵉᵖ ᵐᵉ. (Also Raphael is there too)

#thots and prayers.tm #i'm ignoring tasks i should be doing so i'm shitposting instead

[noctvrnal9999]

One thought, so Astarion has several moments like this where comments on Cazador's palace being dirty, dank, etc. But when you actually get there, yes, it's definitely a vampire lair but there's also servants who do nothing but yap how they need to clean everything.

So what's the truth here?

#personally besides like a messy carpet Cazador's place DOES look clean so idk what Astarion is on about constantly #and the palace is my fav place in the city so I've snooped every corner of it #thots and prayers.tm