#tatarigoroshi-hen

[dawn-in-the--adan]

higurashi no naku koro ni: tatarigoroshi-hen (curse killing arc) vol. 1 - 2

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[rosycheekies]

Higurashi no Naku Koro ni - Tatarigoroshi-hen by Ryukishi07

#higurash no naku koro ni #higurashi no naku koro ni - tatarigoroshi-hen #higurashi #when they cry #tatarigoroshi-hen #pastel pink #pink #pinkcore #pink manga #horror manga #manga #manga cap #miyo takano #takano miyo #ryukishi07

[connan-l]

Long Rant incoming, but I finished playing Yoigoshi from the Higurashi console arc and god, it really reminded me of how much I hate how it handles Yae Towada's character.

I like Yoigoshi in general, I even think it's one of the best Higu side-arcs, but man the entire abuse narrative has such an insensitive and gross undertone and framing.

There’s always been criticisms about how Ryukishi handles abuse, especially in Umineko, and generally I'm more lenient than most on the topic because I think that Ryu still manages to portray it in a very nuanced complex way, but damn Yoigoshi is the only instance where I’m really like "hey fuck this." The story is just so insistent to tell you it was Bad that Yae killed her abuser that it ends up feeling like insidious victim-blaming.

I have no problem with humanizing abusers or portraying abusive relationships as complicated. I think it's even important, because that’s often how it is in real life. But there's a difference between giving depth to an abuser, and putting the abuser's feelings over those of the victim and then downplaying and shifting the blame of the abuse, and Yoigoshi 100% fall in the latter. I think what pisses me off the most is especially... the implication that Somehow her boyfriend was about to get better; that if she'd just waited long enough instead of taking matters into her hands then he would have stopped abusing her and their relationship would have turned out for the best. Even though there is zero evidence that he would have stopped hitting her, and that we know how these stories turn out in real life, with the girlfriend dead. But here we're supposed to believe that she's in the wrong for killing him, and so the story put the blame on her for not… loving and trusting the guy who put her in the hospital enough somehow??

And like, okay, obviously it's awful she ended up having to kill him, and usually I always respect and appreciate Ryu's insistence that violence only breeds further violence and is never a good answer to problems, but here the general vibe feel so much like a "well okay it sucks he was abusing her, but murder is still worse" and highlighting the fact she "made a 'mistake' instead of properly trusting him," which comes across as just so unsympathetic towards her situation and how she was still the primary victim in all this. Honestly fuck the boyfriend, he had it coming

The other thing that bothers is the other characters' reactions too. Like okay Journalist Dude is an asshole so him victim-blaming makes sense, but none of the others actually defend her? Everyone agrees she’s 100% in the wrong?? The most sympathetic is probably Otobe, but even then he’s pretty mild. I genuinely feel it's insulting that Mion, who has a personal experience with abuse victims via Satoko, doesn't try to defend Yae at all, even saying Journalist Dude has a point, like what.

The console arc actually makes it worse tbh because we're stuck in Journalist Dude’s head who is just The Worst + Miyuki having this horrible speech at Towada and victim-blaming her even more, wtf?? (which, okay,  she's a cop to be fair so that does feel in line with what cops do orz, but that still feel so wrong because Miyuki within the story is portrayed as a pragmatic, intelligent person, like she’s a voice of reason, and no one call her out on her bullshit speech either, so that just frames it as if she’s Objectively Right about this when. She’s just not!!)

And then Yae’s sidelined after the reveal, play no role in the final confrontation when even Journalist Dude get to play hero and just show back up at the end so that we know she'll "pay for her crimes" and go to prison.... urgh, I hate everything about it. The only way I’m staying sane with this ending is by headcanoning Shion afterwards being all "nah that’s bullshit" and busting Yae out of prison thanks to her Sonozaki connections so that she can live free without having to throw away years of her life because of her abuser.

To continue on this, suddenly it hit me how Yoigoshi actually feels pretty similar to Tatarigoroshi regarding their narratives about abuse; however the difference is that to me Tatari manages to works in what it’s trying to say, or at least that it manages to say it in a more sensitive and compassionate manner, whereas Yoigoshi fails badly at it.

The two arcs have that same premise of having a victim stuck in an apparently inescapable abusive relationship, and the solution the characters comes up with is to remedy to it via violence in killing the abusers. Doing so result in the situation becoming worse and making them lose what they wanted the most. The message put forth that in the end violence only ever creates more violence and problems, and that no matter how horrible the situation is there are always (peaceful) alternatives to be found.

Ryukishi always had a general emphasis in all of his stories that violence only breed more violence and for a push to find other alternatives solutions instead (with a few exceptions and muddy framing here and there), and this is something I usually like. Tatarigoshi/Minagaroshi are specific narratives that function really well when it comes to this, and manages to do so while being (mostly) respectful to the abusive circumstances and the victim it portrays. The reason why I believe that Tatari/Mina is able to work compared to Yoigoshi comes down to two central differences:

First, there’s the fact that in Tatari the one killing the abuser is not the victim of the abuse (Satoko), but an outsider (Keiichi). Tatari’s second part really highlight the fact Keiichi becomes increasingly self-righteous in thinking he’s the only one who truly cares about Satoko and that he can solves the problem by himself; he doesn’t consult his friends or any adults properly (not about the murder), and more importantly he certainly doesn’t consult the primary concerned, Satoko --- something the narrative reproach him, and in the end 'punish' him for in how he completely wreck his relationship with Satoko and ultimately even fail to protect her at all, when that was the goal in the first place.

In Yoigoshi, the killer, Yae, IS the abuse victim. Unlike Tatarigoroshi, she’s the one with the agency deciding to carry out the murder because she feels she has no other ways of escaping. Neither of these are ‘better’ than the other per se, but that’s an important distinction, because Tatari puts into perspective the thing Keiichi’s murder really does in the end is denying Satoko’s input and agency as the victim and dismissing her own feelings on the circumstances; something a lot of people tends to do in these situations, thinking they already have the whole thing figured out without actually listening properly to what the primary concerned feels and what they want to do.

The second point is the entirety of Minagoroshi. Tatari has the benefit of proposing an actual alternative on the murder, and by doing so emphasis it has to be done with 1. the help of a community; even with the system failing Satoko badly, the story says there’s still hope in relying and working with people he trusts. 2. It finally let Satoko have agency and highlight her feelings as the victim; SATOKO is the one who has to makes the final decision to leave her abuser, to tell the social services that she’s abused. No one can makes that for her, and this is what saves her. In the end, the others can offers her help, but SHE’S the one who has to save herself.

But Yae, on the other hand? Yoigoshi doesn’t have a ‘Minagoroshi’; the only alternative Yae is offered is that she should’ve... just trust that her abuser was going to be ‘better’ now, because he said so and found a job he hasn’t even started yet. That she should just believe he was going to stop hitting her; despite the fact even in the brief scenes we're shown with them together before his death he's still seen as having to actively force himself to not be violent with her. No community or support is offered to her; she vaguely mentions having friends from college but she never seems to be in contact with them, we're told nothing about her family, or about having any kind of support network who could help her, really; we’re told she thought about leaving, but the story never really explore that more that it. Yae’s only alternative to murder is just... to blindly hope that her boyfriend was truly going to 'change.' (I suppose you *can* make an argument the story say it was just the murder that was bad and that she could’ve left him afterwards, but it’s never hinted at anywhere, be it in them manga or the VN). And there's nothing offered of the sort a the end of the story once she committed the murder either, except for her going to prison.

Tatarigoroshi/Minagaroshi and Satoko’s original arc are very important to me and ones of my favorite aspects of Higurashi.

I’ve seen criticisms of it because of how passive Satoko seems to be in them, only being there to be ‘saved’ --- hell, even Ryukishi himself said last year GouSotsu had kind of been written because he wanted to give her more spotlight because she felt too much like a ‘damsel in distress.’ There are some ideas and premises about GouSotsu I do enjoy and respect, and Satoko never having a proper spotlight in the original Higurashi is a fair criticism, but calling her a ‘damsel in distress’ actually annoys me, because as I’ve said here, she was anything but; she’s an abuse victim whose story is entirely about how her agency should be prioritized and how in the end she’s the one who saved herself, and I’ll always cherish how much Higurashi consistently make a point  in saying and showing that she is genuinely a very strong and brave person.

And Tatarigoroshi/Minagoroshi is able to do all this all while acknowledging that yes, generally, murder and violence are wrong, but even in Tatarigoroshi the narrative never entirely blame Keiichi for coming to this solution --- and that's pretty clear in how it treats Satoshi too, whose situation was pretty much the same as Yae’s, and who is offered a lot more compassion and understanding on the matter, here too emphasizing that even if he did murder his aunt it was only because he was a child everyone around him failed and that he felt he had no other options.

Yae Towada’s story /should/ have been more like this, because in the end what she did was very similar to what Satoko did. She saved herself, the only difference being that there was no community to help her out like Satoko had, and so she had no other choice but to resort to violence.

The story does makes a point in saying she’s determined and, in some way, a strong person, but it seems to be mostly there as a weak attempt to parallel Rena, and the attention focus more on the fact that she made a ‘mistake’ that she has to pay for at the end. What Yae was led to do is definitely a sad thing, but one that was done out of desperation; and as it is, the framing only makes it seems like the narrative’s punishing her for this, when just like Satoshi it certainly should not be something she should be blamed for.

#Higurashi no Naku Koro ni #Higurashi #Yae Towada #Yoigoshi #Satoko Houjou #Yoigoshi-hen #Houjou Satoko #Towada Yae #Abuse #Tatarigoroshi #Domestic Abuse #Connan's Ramblings #Long Post #Higurashi When They Cry #Minagoroshi #Connan's Posts #Putting it out there too cause why not

[hibiscera]

Tatarigoroshi-hen

#higurashi when they cry #higurashi no naku koro ni #miyo takano #keiichi maebara #when they cry #i've actually been sitting on this for months. #this might actually be from 2021. #when i was rewatching the anime with a friend #but i got here in the vn today so i release it into the world now #car crash mention #mir doodles #higurashi

[legy]

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#9. Higurashi no Naku Koro ni - Tatarigoroshi-hen

oh my god this is the hypest shit ever. this ruled. this is SOOOOOOOO much better than onikakushi and watanagashi. tatarigoroshi really feels like ryukishi starting to cook with the settings + characters + mystery. this episode in general is very willing to break away from the established formula in a way watanagashi wasnt by having the horrors start hitting well before the festival and also being willing to cut away when the club starts yet another fucking board game lol

higurashi kind of permanently lives in the shadow of "this work lead to umineko, which i think is one of the best novels ever written" so a lot of the moments i really like, i like in the context of it being an inception point or the first traces of content found in umineko. not to say it doesnt stand on its own but so much of the mystery in this episode is like oh fuck this is just like how people perpetuate beatrice on rokkenjima. this imagery is just like magic. etc

#media tag 2024 #higurashi no naku koro ni

[poorgay]

putting childe in my fave series to see if he'd survive is my new favorite past time

higurashi-.... at first i was like no... but he like... likes kids but hes also mentally unstable so.... hed def do a tatarigoroshi hen

umineko - ... i think he could survive but i dont think he would be able to solve it

one peas-..... hm..... hm... immediately hed had a devil fruit but would he be a marine or... a pirate..... hmmmmm

pokemon - oh hes having the time of his life, take the trek up mount silver weekly, catch n release all the legendaries, .. him n blue would get along great probably, gym leader/elite 4 probs

p3 - if minako could do it he could too

limbus - ... hed be having the time of his life but in the way kids eat too much candy then crash

gg - part...gear... bounty hunter... would try to fight sol

touhou - one man falls into gensokyo befriends one vampire lady and trys to 1cc lunatic mode everyone

utena- ... im sorry son ur stuck in the coffin

madoka - turns into a witch eventually

#new need childe furandor bff locket #♡ genshin ♡ #♡ umi ♡ #♡ higu ♡ #♡ op ♡ #♡ pokémon ♡ #♡ p3 ♡ #♡ limco ♡ #♡ gg ♡ #♡ touhou ♡ #♡ utena ♡ #♡ madoka ♡

[villapaitapeli]

Finished reading Yoigoshi-hen and I'm too tired to make a coherent post of it so here are some notes I made along the way. Negative stuff is mostly just nitpicks and I liked the arc overall 👍

The addition of Miyuki, changing the mc and differing ends make the reading experience worthwhile even if you've read the manga

Arakawa works as a MC surprisingly well, they toned down his comic relief -ness and fleshed his character but he still feels like the same failguy from the manga

My boy Akira however was kinda done dirty and ends up being kind of annoying and pathetic and not even in a funny way. The voice they picked for him also doesn't help, he sounds kinda dweeby and not sadboy enough

The arc is based on a weird fragment, which is apparently Tsumihoroboshi gone wrong + Tatarigoroshi, since K1 (and Shion for some reason??) thinks he can curse people.

The above is probably because they wanted to make it Really Clear that it was Arakawa's dad interviewing K1 in Tatarigoroshi epilogue, which is just unnecessary imo. They could've just mentioned that Arakawa's dad interviewed the survivors (just not K1 this time because he's dead) and drowned later and readers would've connected the dots (and also realized that K1's "curse" is just a coincidence)

Milfon hot

Was this supposed to be read before answer arcs? If so it's a poor choice since there are so many supernatural elements that can muddy the waters. Many of the console arcs suffer from this, spoiling the mysteries and twists of the original in the content that's supposed to be read along the original arcs

#did they think people forgot about tatarigoroshi epilogue #because if someone did they didn't read it in the first place A+ kino higu moment #mryyy #when they mryyy

[annebrontesrequiem]

Continuing the friend Higurashi watching saga, Tatarigoroshi hen (Curse Killing Arc) is hardly my favorite - I like the Atonement arc - but it still manages to get to me every time.

The tragedy of how Keiichi loves his friend so much he’s willing to kill for them, but still cannot trust them or any of those around him is heartbreaking. He is still a child, one who realizes in the worst possible way how the adult world can fail you. And yet he refuses to be complacent.

Yet that refusal is not heroic, it is only tragic. Teppei’s death is a tragedy because Keiichi has lost his innocence, his sanity, himself.

It just gets to me

#feeling emotional again tm #and this is the arc I’m on in the VN haha #higurashi #tatarigoroshi #keiichi maebara #bern speaks

[imlebsian]

thinking about tatarigoroshi-hen again bc like. the whole back half of it could be avoided if they'd just told keiichi what they were doing. even if he was 100% normal and healthy it would freak anyone out if every person around them was pretending they hung out the day before. like they didn't think about it at all

#higurashi no naku koro ni #gaslighting arc.... #it just bothers me bc i'd be paranoid too 😭😭

[cosmothecosmicstar]

unpopular Higurashi opinions

Saikoroshi-hen is a terrible arc, it should’ve ended with Matsuribayashi-hen

Hanyuu shouldn’t become a ghost again, her gaining a body was one of the best things that happened to her, her becoming a ghost again is terrible

Higurashi Kira is amazing, I love it (besides the first episode, what the fuck was the first episode)

Higurashi being connected to Umineko feels wrong to me, I love both of them but I don’t like to connect them (also I don’t believe Gou and Sotsu to be a prequel to Umineko)

Higurashi should’ve ended a long time ago, it’s getting old now

Matsuribayashi-Hen > Minagoroshi-Hen > Meakashi-hen > Tsumihoroboshi-hen > Himatsubushi-Hen > Onikakushi-Hen > Watanagashi-Hen > Tatarigoroshi-Hen > Saikoroshi-Hen

Higurashi’s anime is better than the VN (this might be a bit controversial)

that’s all for my opinions, see you next time!

#higurashi #higurashi when they cry #higurashi no naku koro ni

[dawn-in-the--adan]

"Her last word to me was "fall". What a hopeless, sad ending. Those once-shining days in Hinamizawa... Where in the world did they go? No, where did it start to go wrong?" Higurashi no Naku Koro ni - Tatarigoroshi-hen (2006)

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[rosycheekies]

Higurashi no Naku Koro ni - Tatarigoroshi-hen by Ryukishi07

#higurash no naku koro ni #higurashi no naku koro ni - tatarigoroshi-hen #tatarigoroshi-hen #when they cry #higurashi #pastel pink #pink #pink manga #horror manga #manga #manga cap #miyo takano #takano miyo

[akatokuro]

What are your thoughts on Tatarigoroshi-hen?

Best version of Keiichi, and very sad that it was essentially "lost" after that fragment came to a close.

#akatokuro vs askbox

[taicangmountain]

i really like the atmosphere of ep 7 so far...it reminds me of the generally “off” vibe of tatarigoroshi hen, esp with regards to the music

#umn lb #seagulls blogging

[legy]

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#14. Higurashi no Naku Koro ni - Meakashi-hen

god FORBID women do ANYTHING

very much a fun read. shion is an awesome character to explore a POV of especially as she starts completely fucking losing it. i think (fitting for it being the first answer arc) this is probably the first example ive noticed of higurashi kind of introducing ways to read itself. like obviously this is billed as the answer to watanagashi-hen (which it absolutely is) but having a look into the mind of someone who we know started killing people is a really good insight into tatarigoroshi and onikakushi where keiichi is the POV and gets killing

also shoutouts to the console arc "bad ending" for this one where its across-the-board a happier ending for the cast except keiichi just spontaneously keels over and dies while mion is off taking a dump. the real mystery of higurashi is why keiichi keeps exploding

its also very funny to think about how shion's entire life revolves around satoshi who legitimately, did not know she existed for entirely the entire time she knew him. due to the twin swapping. and also my god hes a soggy piece of bread

#media tag 2024 #higurashi no naku koro ni

[catboykeiichi]

...hey satoshi.

#higurashi #when they cry #tatarigoroshi-hen #manga edit #maebara keiichi #hojo satoko #hojo satoshi #keiichi #satoko #satoshi #☆arts