as a frequent phil viewer i understand that he wasn't trying to come off as scary when talking to sunny, but man from an outside perspective/ sunny's perspective he did sound pretty mean :/
i think it's sweet that he has been trying to encourage tallulah's decisions and letting her decide who she likes and who she does not, but imo he is taking it a bit too far
you could even see afterwards how much it affected sunny and they started blaming themself bc of that conversation, even though it's not her fault :( so even if phil didn't mean anything by it, he just made things worse
let's face it sunny has valid reasons not to like or trust phil, he hasn't been the nicest to her from the start which she has adressed a few times, and i'm interested in seeing where all this goes !
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I’ll get off my soulfire posting in a minute but how different do you think it would be if they didn’t hold back, if tubbo loosened his hold on bads leash, if they weren’t afraid.
Speaking of that actually, I wonder how much tubbos duel with etolies in the beginning changed things. Idk how to describe it but I think loosing that fight made a big shift in his character (it was also such a cool moment, a fight in a desert. No one else around, honorable and equal) like it changed his perspective on things
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Everyone wants the eggs to be diverse complex characters with their own problems up until they actually do and have genuine conflict with another egg or person based on their own opinions and not on being a neutral entity that can do no wrong.
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do you think sunny immediately mentioned to fit and pac that tubbo hit (misclicked) her because she wanted to see if she would be safe on this new island. because she wanted to see if they would let that slide. it's been said, but the breakfast eggs give off the vibes of abused kids. do you think sunny was seeing if she'd be hurt again.
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yeah, most of the phil defenders are unintentionally making him sound worse imo. just accept that he has accidentally hurt the feelings of a child and hope that the two of them will build a better relationship once they spend more time together. they've only interacted like twice, it's not that deep yet, it doesn't mean phil is a horrible person and he doesn't need to be defended at the expense of a child. every character has flaws and makes mistakes. also if you actually watch sunny (tubbo's pov) she's clearly very young so imposing real morals on them before they've had a chance to learn is a little weird.
No one is perfect, and no one is gonna be perfect with every kid they meet especially if they were in grieving. It’s unnecessary to defend him, I’d prefer if people made more complex analyze of his relationship with Sunny that I could read, instead of accidentally shooting themselves in the foot. It would be horrible if Phil was imposing heavy moral standards to the point where he deems punishment is necessary on a child, arguing that is what he’s doing to defend him is just odd. People make mistakes, and Phil made a mistake and he’s hurting a kid with his comments, and I hope in the future he’s able to learn and grow from that.
Just to state it outright; I highly doubt Phil is imposing a weird moral standard about stealing on Sunny, when he’s completely okay with all the other eggs doing it.
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The sad thing is
1) She has said sunny isn’t her family. And she doesn’t consider her family (She might have sorta befriended her now but Sunny internalized this)
2) Sunny Definitely feels like a burden and alone. And that only Tubbo who is off his rocker is the only one that loves her.
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hii, foolish main here :D ! leo is very stubborn, for better or for worse. foolish HAS tried to get her to be nice to sunny, even before she met them ( since she didn't trust any of the new eggs at first, like she wanted pepito DEAD. ) but that ultimately just led to them having (1) civil short conversation when they first met.. which was after an hour of convincing.
but, before foolish is a roleplay parent, he is an enabler if somethings funny—and he finds the egg baby beef funny so while he doesn't actively encourage leo, he doesn't try and stop the beef after their 1v1 gun fight.
ah alr that makes sense from foolishs pov at least. sunny def views it as some kind of bullying tho 😭 she doesnt outright say the word bully (i dont think. i havent watched every sunny clip ever) but she implies she feels that way whenever she talks to tubbo about leo
yeah tho makes sense streamer man gonna do what streamer man thinks is funny tubbo does that all the time as well so cant fault foolish for that lmaoo
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this idea wormed itself into my brain last night so i gotta doodle this
here have a doodle of sunny and basil in milgram :)
Extra: eyepatch buddies!
sunny and fuuta would be a hilarious combo ngl
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