#stncy doesn't have anything like that and makes no sense thematically which is why i just don't see it coming back at all as i was saying

[maddy-ferguson]

you make great points. and it's such a pet peeve of mine, because here in this fandom we are criticizing mlvn and saying they're gonna break up bc they're having problems and they introduced will's love for mike in this season... and i'm like... if that situation were applicable to other ships, then a *certain ship* also would be pretty much in trouble (jncy) and as much as i hate to say it, just bc a couple is having relationship problems doesnt mean theyre being setup for a definite break up. and s3-s4 exists. and yeah, jpper got together in s4 but they were so badly written in s3 lets be real. and lumx? i adore them in s4 but the way they were written in s3...? and like you said, jncy outright said that they dont understand each other anymore in s3, and s4 rolls we still see them having relationship issues that are not solved yet. if jncy is definitely endgame why mlvn wouldn't in that case...? and iknow, iknow... there are ''certain differences'' between jncy and mlvn but like... why bring the steve thing back then in the penultimate season if its not going anywhere?

all out of 'logical criticism' that are being used for mlvn could also be used for other couples, and are mlvns really wrong when they expect mlvn's relationship issues to be fully resolved and them becoming better in their relationship? after all, they still have not even broken up yet, and the monologue exists, the fact that they still havent fully resolved their issues yet (like certain other couple/s) might just mean that they are gonna resolve them fully in s5. and many of this stuff might be based on different interpretations, but the fact that we hold mlvn to such a selective standard and try to use ''logical criticism'' regarding the way they're written with problems/compatibility meanwhile not doing the same thing to other couples creates flawed readings here.

thank you for saying i make great points🫂

yeah i just think it's funny like this side of the fandom prides itself on its analysis skills and "media literacy" but it's still...definitely biased because if the standard to which we hold mlvn were applied to other ships none of them would hold up. which just means that, again, we have a bias against it (which like, duh), but also that the way they write relationships isn't as consistent as people make it out to be/seem to think it is? literally everything about s3 jpper...what was that. and it's not like it was just silly bickering, he literally didn't trust her intuition anymore and was acting like she was crazy when him telling her that this whole time she was right is such a big pivotal scene in season 1? like what sjdskjds

i'm not saying i don't trust the writers and i'm not saying pointing out the flaws in mlvn is pointless and i still think they're heading towards a breakup and all that but like...some of it doesn't hold up😭

but yes of course mlvns expect their ship that's been fighting and lying for two seasons to end up together...most bylers expect jncy to be endgame when they've been doing exactly that. i still don't think steve coming back as a potential love interest means they're getting back together because we've seen that film before and didn't like the ending and because thematically it still doesn't work, but yeah. it's just funny

#really the only thing you need to see byler endgame is the fact that will's words inspired mike's confession. but i don't exactly blame #people for missing it because WE missed it for a minute right after volume 2 because if you think the duffers hate gay people you're #very likely to think they just used will's feelings in a very ugly way to fix mlvn #looking back i can't believe we were so confident before volume 2 because that's THE proof everything else feels like a bonus #stncy doesn't have anything like that and makes no sense thematically which is why i just don't see it coming back at all as i was saying #yesterday. but yeah if we're saying couples that have serious fights and lie to each other aren't endgame #well... #and jncy's s3 fight isn't about their relationship not really it's about external factors. but idk #idk man #i just really wouldn't be as sure as most bylers seem to be that they're endgame #well yes obviously since i'm not sure and think they aren't #anti jancy #i guess? sorry #ask

[maddy-ferguson]

Ppl who think that jncy is 100% endgame and there was and is no feelings from nancy towards steve sounds like ppl who refuse to see that el, mike and will situation is a love triangle. I am sorreeey but it aint making sense with the logic here chief

not you sending this to me, someone who thinks there was and is no feelings from nancy to steve💔 i mean it's not like i think she was never into him i just don't think she ever Loved him. and continuing that line of thought, in season 4 i genuinely dooon't see her feeling anything deep enough for her to uproot her relationship with jonathan.

to me either way they brought stncy back to remind us that no relationship we've been used to since season 1 is safe.

which could mean, for this particular love triangle, that they're gonna have steve and nancy end up together (which just doesn't make sense. thematically. i don't see it happening. at all. which is why a lot of people aren't really worried about jncy). or that while stncy doesn't come back the relationship we've been used to since season 1 (jncy) is still not gonna be endgame. or that this is all gonna strengthen jncy and that the no relationship we've been used to since season 1 is safe thing only applies to mlvn

#but i know what you mean #to me it's still a little worrying lol but like i don't know! #it's just that a lot of the time people (myself included sometimes) go well stncy can't be endgame for this list of reasons which means #that jncy is. which doesn't really work for me because while you can say mlvn doesn't work for list of reasons thus bylr is endgame for #jncy...idk. the difference between the two is that mike not ending up with either would make no sense since he's only been with el and they #'introduced' will as a love interest for him in s4 right. but jonathan and nancy have been together. and are together. same with nancy #and steve obviously #it's just idk nancy's s1/2 love triangle obviously mirrors mike's but we're talking post-s2 jncy post-love triangle resolution #like they're doing their own thing now. i still don't think they're gonna have her be with steve again but her not being with steve doesn't #necessarily equal her being with jonathan yk? #they could be fine yes definitely but the love triangle coming back at all just makes me very unsure that they will be #but maybe it is a fake out and jncy are gonna stay together 4ever and the only 'main' couple everyone is gonna have to say goodbye to is #mlvn #i'm still 100% sure stncy is not endgame though and that will only change if i see nancy say wow steve i wanna raise your six nuggets in s5 #single nancy truther 4 life #ask