#ok so i already talked about how i think loki and zuko have a lot in common and now i see that

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my thoughts on c!dream and what they're going to do with his character; a long very long post

all this all is /roleplay and /dsmp and tbh im just info dumping to organize my thoughts

ok so, c!dream is a villain. this is obvious for many reasons (he has a list with all of his crimes on his wiki page LMAO) but the main fact why he's a villain is because the story isnt told by his perspective.

villains are villains because we don't know their view, the story is never about them, someone else says they're the bad guys and everyone (the other characters + the audience) goes with it.

for example, when we took villains that had a "redemption arcs" we can identify 2 patterns: the villain/ bad guy learned from their mistakes and became a better person or we see their past/what they've been through/ their intentions and why they act the way we act so we can understand and justify what they do.

zuko from avatar? become a better person

loki from marvel? we understand his pov

snape from harry potter? we see his pov and he (tries to?) became a better person at the end

even if a villain doesn't necessarily have a redemption arc, we can like them and even support what they do when we see why they do that (personal example: in bnha, shigaraki tomura hate the heroes and that mf is RIGHT the heroes society is rotten and he has personal motivation to hate them - his family)

what i'm trying to say is, that's why c! dream has so many apologists. we don't see the true motivations or why he canonically do what he does, but people can speculate. "he just wanted them to follow the server rules" "he just wanted a happy big family" "he wanted to make everyone happy but power corrupted him"

the only dsmp dream streams we have are those from the begging, mostly before the lore, where dream (who became c!dream) was a funky happy guy chilling with his friends. he never wanted wars.

however, i don't think c!dream is like this anymore. i think he, for some unknown reason, became a bad guy. but again, we can't know WHY he is the bad guy. is he just a bad person, who made bad choices? does something happened? we don't know because he doesn't stream his pov, and just like a movie, the villain story became a narrative from the "heroes".

ok now with all of this, what they're going to do with c!dream? I very much doubt he will stream lore, so the "i get why the villain is like this because now i know his pov" strategy won't be used.

what they can do is what they already did: c!dream telling his story to others, saying to c!sam his motivations or what he wanted, saying to c!tommy why he did what he did etc, but the character + the audience cant tell is it's his genuinely sad true or if he's just lying and manipulating the situation.

aaaaaand of course

character redemption <3

what c!dream has been through is like, to not say worse, what c!tommy had to go through during exile. (i HATE comparing them because they're different situations with different contexts bUT ANYWAYS)

months without seeing the light, without talking with anyone, being mentally & physically tortured and the list goes on. both c!tommy and c!dream were suffering and that's horrible and it doesn't matter what they did before, because at the moment, or when/ if c!dream goes out, both or them will be fragile and traumatized.

with baby steps, c!dream could realize how evil he was to others. he can say he feel in his own skin what happened to c!tommy, and say he wants to change. he has a lot to think about after sam's last lore stream (c!sam directly said to him that everything he's going though, himself had planned to c!tommy).

the way they're writing the lore is to slowly make c!sam and c! quackity look like the bad guys, but we can still understand their pov and their past and WHY they're doing all of this.

same with c!techno. he scaped, he's gonna save (or try to save?) c!dream, his position in morality chart will go up /hj

conclusion c!dream had really really bad takes and he did really bad stuff but he's not necessarily the bad guy until we fully understand his pov and i can't wait to see what they're going to do when he canonically, finally scapes the prison for real

#help this is so long and im still confused #anywyas #dream smp #dsmp #dsmp tumblr #dsmpblr #dreamsmp #not really a dsmp theory im not theorizing but yea #c! dream