#its a notp but i dont have an issue with the shippers whatsoever

[sxpiosexualx]

I heard some s*ns*n shippers complain that their ship didn't happen on the show because D & D cast an actor who's twenty years older that book!S*ndor. But I also heard that GRRM himself approved of this casting choice and when fangirls protested about that in his LJ, he said that S*ndor is a lot older than Sansa in the books too. Could that mean that s*ns*n was never supposed to happen even in the books? What do you think?

Hi anon!

To my understanding, Sandor Clegane is in his late 20′s in the books where Sansa is 11. Sandor is about 5 years younger than Gregor Clegane, and the latter was 17 during the time of Robert’s Rebellion(which took place 15 years before the events of AGOT) when he was knighted. This would make The Hound ~27~ at the beginning of the series. ACOK(2nd book) would have occurred a mere year later making him ~28~ and Sansa ~12~ when the unkiss happened.

Considering the actor was in his late 30′s at the beginning of Game of Thrones I think 20 years is an exaggeration. Most of the characters were portrayed as older than they should be in the show, Ned’s generation especially. Sean Bean(Ned Stark) was in his 50s when they filmed the first season despite Ned being in his mid 30s in AGOT. Similarly, Peter Dinklage was in his 40′s when they started filming despite Tyrion being in his late 20′s and yet the Sanrion marriage was an important enough factor to include - the only difference being they didn’t make the actors undress and thankfully so for Sophie’s sake.

I don’t really get why they would complain considering I was under the impression that some of the sansan shippers claim they ship the older versions of themselves after a reunion where they would both be consenting adults. If that’s the case then an age bump would scarcely make that much of a difference. There are some things the show missed out in terms of how accurately shot the scenes they meant to replicate are, but that applies to the entirety of the show as well. The gist is still there, they wouldn’t have discarded scenes if it was that important in the endgame unless they knew they could afford to not adapt it. But I empathise with the disappointment.

As for whether or not I think Sansan was never supposed to happen in the books… that’s tricky. I never saw The Hound as a suitor for Sansa, he was always more of a character to shake her out of the disillusionment. Are there romantic undertones to him saving her from the mob and his interactions? Sure. But I fail to see GRRM’s romantic intent behind Sansan. So when you ask if I think it was never supposed to happen it’s not a straight answer for me because on one hand, I’m sure everything GRRM put into the books was done so with intent but as for Sansan developing further than what’s established, I see no narrative point. 

Whether or not they reunite - which I hope they do too for the heck of it - is another issue but it almost feels as if that would border on fan-service, to have these two characters reunite and realise how much they both have changed. Admiration could of course follow but again, is there room for a Sansan endgame? Considering how important a factor Sansa is being the key to the north, and even if in the books Jon succeeds Robb as his heir, I have a feeling Sansa would still be made to embrace her title as the Lady of Winterfell - bearing importance on her claim once more. Would it be wise for her to enter a marriage with house clegane when she understands the importance and dire need of alliances for the north?

Much as I want Sansa to have agency(which she will, to a degree - much like Lysa Arryn had a choice) in choosing a suitor, I don’t believe she will marry someone solely out of love. Her arc has built her up too much and nailed in herself that her marriage would be done out of duty and the thing is, Sansa herself comes to acknowledge this in ASOS and decides she’ll make it work, “If I give him sons, he may come to love me.” She is content with her role and while the realisation that they want her claim saddened her in the beginning, she chooses to look forward to the life she can build with her future lord husband anyway.

**Similarly, in a case where Jonsa happens - which would, of course, be my preference - Sansa would first and foremost be marrying Jon after parentage reveal for the sake of safeguarding his position over Winterfell and The North, through her claim. This means that it’s a political marriage first before anything, but one exceptionally done out of love. Whether you choose to believe it’s romantic love(which would come at a shock considering they both were not aware of the prospect of a marriage between them until a few moments prior - though if there really was a repression of emotions not deemed appropriate which the books would make clearer, then parentage reveal would give way to catharsis), or a more platonic love that sees her wanting to protect him, love is still involved, and love can come into fruition after.**

In short I don’t see Sansan happening at the end of the series because I think that if Sansa were to survive, she’d have a much bigger role to play especially in the reformation after the war, and if season 7 was any indication to where her arc is headed(and I take this with a grain of salt), then I think we’ll see a better(because of her Vale plot) fleshed out version of this Sansa in the books to follow as well. 

That being said, I understand wanting Sansa to ride off into the sunset with a lover of her choice, but that’s not likely to happen. I would remind you however, that with GRRM carving her out to be an unreliable narrator, Sansa seems to rewrite her memories with a romanticised touch - the unkiss being an instance - but this doesn’t mean the interaction between her and The Hound was meant to be taken by the readers that way because we know more accurately what happened. Sansa tends to avoid thinking of certain events and rewrites her memories, and that’s her way of coping with traumatic events whether she acknowledges it or not. GRRM does well in portraying ptsd and the different ways it affects his characters, look to Bran and how he cannot come to terms with his fall and can’t bring himself to piece together how it came about - freezing over and experiencing a knot in his stomach whenever it’s brought up.

I’ll leave you with this wonderful and thought provoking meta @shinynewrevulsions wrote regarding seeing Sandor Clegane and Ser Dontos - along with the other men in her chapters - and what they represent in Sansa’s arc :)

“I’m certain that, after re-reading the Sansa chapters where she interacts with the Hound, he is not supposed to be a character who is meant to be viewed in isolation from the other men in her story. It’s about the Hound and Dontos together, representing two extremes, one cruel and the other foolish. Both are drunks. Both guide Sansa through her journey. Neither are relationship material.”

Thank you for the ask! x

#anti sansan #jonsa #its a notp but i dont have an issue with the shippers whatsoever #i want no beef

[thisgodwontforgiveyou]

I'm going with the generic choice of reimu and hoping other people bring up rhea and heather to you too

favorite thing - my favorite thing about reimu is that shes the heroic protagonist of a massive franchise spanning decades and shes just a COMPLETE sourpuss about it. she hates her job and would rather do literally nothing but cant help herself when it comes to saving the wrold

least favorite thing - i honestly have zero issues with the way ZUN has written reimu whatsoever so i dont know what id ever say that i dont like. i guess it sucks that being the main character shes sort of locked out of any meaningful development with minor characters and can only routinely interact with the other playable heroes

favorite line - my memory is shot to shit when it comes to touhou so i cant pull the ABSOLUTE best reimu line off the top of my head but all of her canonical reactions to seiga are fucking hilarious

brotp - marisa. i dont think this is really a controversial opinion even for the most bizarre of diehard reimari shippers like theyre canonically best friends they are first and foremost bros before all else

otp - obviously reisui is my favorite reimu ship but i think almost anything works for reimu

notp - outside of stuff that is just ethically questionable (yukarei is really borderline no pun intended because reimu was like 16ish when they met) i guess reimari is the closest to this... like i dont hate it or even dislike it but its so ultraprevalent that i really kind of feel mild annoyance at it unless its doing something really unique or fresh. its not a true notp but its a pet peeve to see the same exact cookie cutter content for it for the 11th year in a row. in theory its very good though

random headcanon - the only thing i really headcanon about her thats substantially divergent from canon is that shes a lot more tan because of all the time she spends outside yelling at fairies

unpopular opinion - i dont think theres a single thing i could say about reimu that at least 10000 different people wouldnt agree on but i guess that she puts a lot more thought into her relationship to youkai and gensokyo in general than she lets on. i mean this is literally canon so i dont know if it qualifies as an opinion but people misinterpret her extremely frequently

song i associate with them - this is a problem because im never going to associate any touhou character with anything but their actual in game theme. boring answer

favorite pictures of them - 

bro i am just sitting here