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[b2w2-hugh]

Once again I dissect Maxie and Archie.

I think Maxie values the whole of humanity over the individuals within it; loss is fine as long as humanity itself still exists.

While I interpret that Archie values the individual over the whole of humanity; himself and those closest to him. Loss on a grand scale is fine if those he values are safe.

This is why they get along, then argue.

I imagine they were both othered by society and found solace in each other, or any reason they'd both be ambitious and on the same team.

They likely both talked about making the world better, but they didn't talk about how, until they argued and split into Team Magma and Aqua.

Maxie always thought Archie would enjoy his ideal world, because it'd benefit humanity as a whole, and Archie is human, no exception; while Maxie was/is someone Archie is close to, and so Archie thought he'd value being chosen over the whole of humanity.

This would also explain why Maxie is distant and cold despite his goal being to help people, and Archie is friendly despite his plan being selective. Archie values the individual, so he will be more friendly, while Maxie values the world and will toss aside connecting to an individual if he views it nessacery for the world.

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[b2w2-hugh]

I'm so normal about Maxie. He's so complex and the general fandom never reads his ORAS dialogue enough to understand that.

He's distant and formal, yet somewhat sensitive and dramatic (as seen in the Seafloor Cavern). He's rash and stubborn, but has a strict moral code and follows it heavily, meaning the best for humanity (just corrupted by the mentioned stubbornness). He can be read as a perfectionist, and likely relies on routine to feel stable (the morning meeting). He cares about others but tends to be impulsive (In Pokemas it's more evident, he has dialogue where he says he tends to ramble, and in the delta episode he apologizes for not thinking of Courtney first, so he is likely not only impulsive but by the time Groudon's settled, he's aware of it). I personally read that he has HIGH compassion but struggles with empathy (actually reading people's emotions) because of the scene in pokemas where he's like "And I know his feelings are real." About Archie...

I read that scene as implying part of why Maxie continues the rivalry, is not only for his own ideals, but because he assumes it's best for the both of them. He doesn't hate Archie, to me; he wants to improve the world for people, I don't think he'd exclude Archie from it over some personal quarrel (and the symbolism of the model boat). He still wants Archie to thrive and grow, just not. Biblical flood. But, given his rigid morality, he can seem like he hates Archie with the harshness, when he merely hates Archie's ideals.

He can also be overconfident, yet seems insecure in a way to me(?)

I might be biased, but his harsh view toward himself after breaking his own moral code (scene after you catch Groudon) strikes me. I think he's very turbulent in his view of himself and/or others (perfectionism too). He does something right and his mind displays overconfidence, but crashes into near self-loathing upon mishaps, as well.

And the general, non-pokevillian specific fandom just. Doesn't notice. The TrueGreen7 poll for the villains where Maxie and Archie were last fucked me up because DOES NOBODY READ THE DIALOGUE?? DID NO ONE PLAY ORAS??? DOES NOBODY SEE WHAT I SEE???? IN THIS MAN???? Give him a chance. He's not a "simple character" YOU JUST. DIDN'T. LOOK.

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[b2w2-hugh]

I know I just posted the Giovanni one, but here's more analysis because I shamelessly despise Rose slander!

For Chairman Rose, I like to wield his anime and game backstory, and mix it together.

He was Peony's brother, and was the golden child, while Peony was left with being the second best to their parents. (Obviously Chairman Rose didn't exactly ask for his parents to be fucking shit to Peony)

So neither are at fault, and Peony doesn't like seeing Rose. (I don't think he'd blame him, but he's 100% tired of being around him, if that makes sense)

And I think, since their dad died mining coal when they were like presumably 10, Peony missed their dad less and moved on faster than Rose, which caused tension between them, and is why Peony left the league after Rose became Chairman.

Because Peony takes insult to perceiving his brother caring more for their dead dad than the one he was raised alongside!

And, y'know, Rose meant well with his plan, and geniunely looked after Galar, and didn't want anyone to have to die in coal mines, just for Galar to be safe in terms of energy consumption.

So neither are at fault (their parents are), and Rose likely would want to still talk to Peony, but Peony has his daughter and doesn't want to be around Rose anymore. Peony already vowed to be a better parent, and be almost overbearing with Peonia, because his parents didn't care. He wanted Peonia to know he cared as her dad.

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[b2w2-hugh]

I'm analyzing the Silver and Giovanni argument scene, and imma lose it.

In the hgss Celebi event, Giovanni walks away first. He says that one day Silver will understand, and then walks away, and Silver shouts that he's a coward after him, before running off and bumping into Ethan, Lyra, and Celebi

In the Generations version, they argue, and after Giovanni says one day he'll understand, he stays. Silver goes on about he's a coward and runs away. As Silver runs off. Giovanni just stands there. He doesnt leave the scene fades out.

It's a perfect example of how their characterization of him as a father changes, but usually fits two different themes.

I think he geniunely cares about his son, but is distant to everyone emotionally and has a certain distrust for the world (his pokemas dialogue about everyone being manipulative like...) and that strained his ability to be a normal father (explanation not excuse). He wanted Silver to avoid naively trusting everyone around him, and take charge to make it out fine.

This, to me, either leads to him walking away first, to go missing to train and be stronger, to be the failed role model he was to Silver and/or get stronger to continue to last in the world he percieves as true.

OR Silver running first, as Giovanni was trying to teach him a false lesson he thought was correct, and Giovanni runs after hearing how Silver lost faith in him as a role model.

And I geniunely lose it with the pokespe manga (the pokespe manga and pokemas dialogue carry my characterization of Giovanni)

They're so dysfunctional family and it makes me ill.

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