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OUMA’S DEFENCE LAWYER PART2A

Yes. There’s more. Here’s part 1:

http://kroneeeee.tumblr.com/post/166569354474/oumas-defence-lawyer-here

WARNING: this argument is super. super. long.

OOoookay, now that we’ve established that his nature isn’t to be an evil asshole, now comes his intentions. Why did he make Gonta the killer? Why did he come up with such a plan involving his death? Why did he try to be the mastermind? Well, this is my interpretation on it-

I’ll start it off with discussing Chapter 4.

Again, let’s establish facts before diving in:

Ouma was the first to know about the outside world. The outside world is supposed to be the worst thing ever, where no one was alive, and there was absolutely no hope left for any of the survivors. It was used as a motive to bring people to despair and thus kill people.

Ouma did manipulate Gonta throughout their time in the VR world after Gonta himself volunteered to watch over Ouma.

Ouma used Gonta to kill Miu to save his own ass.

He’s smart enough to figure out that she wanted to kill him beforehand.

Throughout the trial in Chapter 4, he’s been manipulating everyone and using his lies to bring Shuichi to the truth.

Ouma did not know of Gonta’s memory loss/error. Nor the fact that his avatar had some paralysis setting on him.

Yeah, Ouma did keep pressuring Gonta at some point about him being ridiculously dumb.

He was really angry at both Gonta and Kaito for stalling the killing game by not accepting the facts.

He had a genuine breakdown and wanted to die with Gonta before his execution.

In the end, after the execution, he suddenly had a change in character and became very antagonistic. Hm, how fitting for an “Ultimate Supreme Leader”.

Anyways, facts over. Time to explain why. Why he did such things. Why he did those asshole moves. Why he chose Gonta. Why he broke down. Why he tried to act like the mastermind. Those 10 facts are gonna be my truth bullets this time. C’mon, let’s treat this like a class trial.

First off, why did Ouma choose to manipulate Gonta for his murder towards Iruma?

Honestly, you’d think it could be a number of reasons- Maybe because Gonta was strong- NOPE. Sorry, but Iruma gave everyone equal strength ability in the VR world. That won’t explain why he chose Gonta over anyone else.

Because he’s the most manipulative? Plausible. Even though, as seen in the 4th class trial, he’s able to manipulate everyone, he chose Gonta because of his gullible personality- WRONG AGAIN. This isn’t possible. If you look again when they entered the VR world, Ouma never once hinted on Gonta to join him. In fact, look at the 2nd fact:

Ouma did manipulate Gonta throughout their time in the VR world after Gonta himself volunteered to watch over Ouma.

It’s true. Although when Kaito said something like “Geez, he really knows how to manipulate people.” He thought, along with influencing all the players, that Ouma manipulated Gonta into being his bodygaurd, which is false. Fact is, Gonta volunteered to help which motioned Ouma into manipulating him and thus using him to commit a murder he didn’t do. Ouma didn’t specifically choose, he was just given the chance. And he took it. Although he didn’t know about his paralysis setting until the investigation, Ouma stated that he knew that Iruma must’ve already thought of a way to prevent him from fighting back, which was why he needed someone to do the dirty work.

In conclusion, Gonta being his murder buddy was just. a. coincidence. He only took action after Gonta volunteered to be his bodyguard.

OKAY, SO IS THIS QUESTION SOLVED? GOOD.

Moving on, why did Ouma manipulate Gonta the entire time to kill Iruma?

TO SAVE HIS ASS GODDAMNIT. HE DIDN’T WANT TO DIE. I mean, look at the third and eight fact.

Ouma used Gonta to kill Miu to save his own ass.

He was really angry at both Gonta and Kaito for stalling the killing game by not accepting the facts.

Dude, the lil’ supreme leader just wants to stay alive. He’ll sacrifice whatever he has to to do so.

NEXT.

Uh, thirdly, why did he turn into such an asshole towards Gonta after exposing that he’s the culprit?

We already know that he was such a huge dick for orchestrating Gonta’s exposure as the culprit by just... bluntly saying it. However, he became even more of a dick when he started condemning Gonta for being a stupid idiot. Looking back, was he not trying to imply to Gonta to just fess’ up? Didn’t Ouma give that kind of vibe when condemning Gonta? Especially when he said “If you aren’t the culprit, then you gotta prove that you aren’t!”

And when Gonta kept insisting that he doesn’t know anything-

He became especially angry. But why? Why was he so sick and tired of hearing Gonta refusing to back himself u-

Hey.

Hey, wait.

Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.

I think we’ve got it all wrong.

I think this trial made us interpret this scene wrongly.

Because I don’t think he said that to force Gonta to fess’ up.

But rather, to get him to defend himself.

....

Wouldn’t that look more plausible?

ALRIGHT, TIME TO DISCUSS THIS SHIT.

I’m assuming we all know that Ouma didn’t see Gonta only as his pawn, seeing from his reactions and narration after the Voting Time. He found Gonta as someone with more value than a simple bodyguard, a simple pawn. I won’t clarify exactly how he saw Gonta, but it’s clear to say that Gonta’s life held some importance to Ouma after some point in the game.

^That’s a fact. The 11th fact.

So using this fact, and also taking into mind of how ridiculously smart Ouma is (e.g. planning his entire murder with script lines for Kaito to say and trying to beat the game itself all under a short period of time), wouldn’t it also be possible for Ouma to give Gonta some sort of plan on how to escape this, making the killing game more fun?

Wouldn’t that also explain why he was so angry that Gonta wasn’t trying to back himself up? Because he thought Gonta would follow through with his plan? I’ve never seen Ouma literally lose his shit over someone not giving something he wants.

Something. He. Wants.

He wanted Gonta to talk back, to give arguements. But Gonta couldn’t because he forgot everything. But Ouma didn’t know that. So he thought Gonta was being really stubborn, and if you were Ouma, you’d probably think Gonta would be an idiot too. Which could be why he was so upset that Gonta wasn’t saying anything.

^Okay, but giving Gonta a plan to defend himself is just speculation. In other words, my opinion.

However, Ouma losing his shit because he didn’t get what he wanted from Gonta is a fact. And Ouma not knowing is a fact too. Look back at the screenshots. If Ouma knew he forgot his memories, would he really, truly, lose his shit like that? “Cut it out already!” “I’m sick of you saying I don’t know!”

Wouldn’t he have just teased Gonta with his stupidity by saying “Heh, so he’s really this dumb after all! Not remembering his own murder.” (Which he did say something similar like this by the way, only after he found out about Gonta’s error.) So can you see the difference in his actions before and after learning about the error? He literally had a 180 change of attitude.

So let’s leave this question with the conclusion that Ouma was terribly upset because Gonta wasn’t being an obedient boy.

Alright, next problem. Why did Ouma break down after the Voting Time?

This is a common problem people ask each other all the time. Well, here’s how I see it:

Like I mentioned in the part1 post of this, Ouma is a kid who strictly followed a “no kill” policy So obviously this killing game has impacted him so much. All in the worst way possible. You know, like, actually committing a murder? Although Ouma didn’t stain his hands with blood, he still indirectly killed Iruma and Gonta. And I’m pretty sure, for a kid like him, it would be pretty fucking traumatising and loaded with guilt. Which is exactly why he’s seen breaking down.

Other than the fact that he held Gonta’s life with some importance, it’s highly likely that Ouma has guilt all over him. Which is why he tried to “fix” things by offering Monokuma to kill him instead. Because, well, like they all say-

“Those who break rules are scum, but those who abandon their friends are worse than scums.” Well said, Obito.

He broke the “no kill” rule. He hurt many people. He led the poor Gonta, who has no memory of the killing, to his death.

Isn’t that just sooooooooo despair-like?

Something that’ll reeeeaaaaaaaalllyyyy devastate Ouma?

People say the crying was just part of his lying act. Well then do enlighten me. What reason would he have for breaking down, assuming it’s a lie, instead of rubbing it in Gonta’s face some indirect way or another. Instead of saying something witty or saying that he’s such a fool? What other reason could he have for breaking down in front of everyone in the room, other than actually crying because of guilt and sadness?

Please. Enlighten me.

Oh? You’re gonna use the “but he’s the mastermind and felt no remorse” excuse at my face? Gosh, I at least hoped your argument would be entertaining. Sighs.

Well then, let’s move on to the next question-

We already know he wasn’t the mastermind, but why did he act like one?

Well, remember this?

Did we ever actually see Ouma fulfill that promise? I mean, did he even try to fulfill it?

The answer is yes, tumblr.

You must remember that Ouma is a liar. And he shows his concern (e.g. shuichi) through his lies (idk go do his free time event you’ll see). With all his good intentions in his heart, it’ll always come forth through a lie, with a lie, by a lie. He always used his lies and confusing words to bring forth the truth in class trials, though he lets Shuichi hog the glory. Though, the fact remains that he does help the class trial with his lies. He grows bonds through his lies. He helps people through his lies.

I’ll let you figure out how that happens if he’s lying all the time. Now, remember the last fact?

In the end, after the execution, he suddenly had a change in character and became very antagonistic. Hm, how fitting for an “Ultimate Supreme Leader”.

Why? Why did he suddenly change to become so antagonistic? Yes, maybe he showed himself to be more of a dick than usual, but we already know why. So then in that case, why the bloody fuck did he suddenly pretend to be the mastermind?

Why did he lie to be the mastermind if he’s not?

To answer that, remember what I just said? With all his good intentions in his heart, it’ll always come forth through a lie, with a lie, by a lie.

Doesn’t that make his mastermind role-play the biggest lie he’s ever told to them? (Stfu about “but he lied about his talent. he’s not the leader of a 10,000 member secret organization isn’t that big” bullshit. We already established in part1 why he did so)

And wouldn’t his promise to Gonta be the only promise, yet hardest, to accomplish? I mean Gonta asked Kokichi Ouma, the most dickhead of them all, to make sure “everyone forgive each other and be friends”.

But Ouma can only lie. He can only tell the truth through his lies. He can only help through his lies. He can only guide people through his lies.

I’m sure you know what I’m trying to get at.

BUT JUST IN CASE YOU’RE THAT BLIND TO SEE, YES, HE PRETENDED TO BE THE MASTERMIND TO FULFIL HIS PROMISE TO GONTA. BECAUSE THAT’S THE ONLY WAY HE KNOWS HOW TO DO IT. HE CAN’T POSSIBLY “Okay guys! We need to team up and bring this mf Monokuma down!” BECAUSE IT’S NOT HIS CHARACTERISTIC TO DO SO.

So by playing the mastermind, didn’t he bring everyone more together by making everyone target him? What better way to give hope to people than to get them to unite through a similar feeling. Sadly, that similar feeling would be their hatred towards Ouma. But if that’s how Ouma accomplishes Gonta’s wish, so be it.

However, if Gonta were still alive, he’d probably tell Ouma he’s just as idiotic as Gonta. Because “Gonta want Kokichi to also be friends with everyone. Kokichi cannot be left out!” or something.

So, yeah, that’s just Ouma’s way of fulfilling his promise.

SO IN CONCLUSION OF CHAPTER4,

No one said anything about Kokichi Ouma being forgiven for his action. Even Kokichi Ouma doesn’t want to be forgiven. For fuck’s sake, he wanted to kill himself after that class trial. No one said Kokichi Ouma should be forgiven. All I’ve explained was why he did those things. Do you see me justifying his murder? Do you see me justifying why it was right for him to do so? All my arguments may have been leaning in favour of Ouma, but come on look at the title of this post....

With that being said, this is part2A. Yes, there’s a part2B which is my final closing argument of Kokichi Ouma. I’ll cover up Chapter5 and ending off my analysis of Kokichi Ouma.

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ts-hvv4 · 4 years

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EPISODE NINE: “NOW THINGS ARE GETTING MESSIER” - JAKE

So full disclosure, this is the first time i've ever really betrayed a close ally in TS and it feels bad ???? IDK i'm not used to being the bad guy. Honestly, say what you want but Chris' blood is all over my hands. I'm the one who went around telling people that Chris/Malik/Dennis were close and I am the one who was there for the villains as their extra number. I'm not relying on my physical game this season and it's a way different vibe..... should make for an interesting game moving forward

Well, at last nights tribal Chris went home 5-4-3. I was not shocked, I knew that would happen. I also knew that by taking part in that I was pretty much cutting my ties with Dennis and Malik. Malik seems really mad at me, which yeah I get but also I think it wouldn't have been smart to tell him. I needed to show my loyalty to the villains; most of whom do not trust him. I think I've gotten in close enough with the people that have sway in this game (minus Jake) to do some damage moving forward. I am taking this all one day at a time at this point.

WHEW SOOOOOOO the first merge vote happened...I feel like the devil but I look good in red so hehe. BASICALLY I was able to get everyone to target Chris instead of one of the Armonia heroes which was high key about to happen. Both Matt and Nicklas wanted Ned gone and Ned is a ride or die for me so they really thought. Unfortunately it meant the only way I could get the target on Chris was by exposing his idol, because I couldn’t without it. So I told Ned to tell Sarah knowing Sarah would tell The Huntresses. What I did not expect to happen was for her to tell me first and IMMEDIATELY after Ned told her. I think she really trusts me???? Am I starting to trust her???? Do girls really run the world???? So anyways Sarah and I devise a plan to split the vote between Chris and someone else, Matt and Sarah push for Malik and I really wanted to fight it. Not because I wanted to save Malik, fuck him to the fuckteenth degree. But I would have really loved to NOT split the vote against the two only black people on the tribe (now we said it.gif). But standing up for Malik puts a target on OG Armonia and at the end of the day Malik has proven he doesn’t want to work with me so forget you, go home, good bye. I just feel so bad for Chris because I’m the reason he was the target...but it was the best move for me and I don’t care how nice you are, I will always do what I need to, to win. That’s why I’m a villain, that’s why I’m a two time winner, and that’s unfortunately why Chris is the merge boot. Now looking at the merge and my relationships, Ned and I are better than ever. We had another heart to heart and he’s such a stand up guy, I’ve grown to care for him alot in the game. Because of that I can’t betray him at this point, but it’s nice because I don’t think I need to. His inactivity reminds me a lot of L’Shei. A smart loyal ally who only really talks to me...that’s not a bad deal when it comes time to who you vote for at the end. And I’m trying to get him to push his relationship with Sarah and get close to her, so that she will protect him and I won’t have to reveal how close I am to him. Plus with Sarah and I getting closer, I could see us goils going really far together. The only wrench in that is Nicklas knows I was a part of a plan to take her out, so Nicklas continues to be a threat to my game. I want him out faster than a queer in college. BUTTTT it’s hard because he’s tight af with Jake. If I look at the threats to me winning objectively, it’s Nicklas, Jake and Kurt…Nicklas and Jake because they are smart enough to know they need to take me out. Kurt because he’s so likable, he hasn’t pissed anyone off (because I’m doing that for us), and he’s enough of a gamer. Like if Kurt wins against me it’s earned, if I win against Kurt it’s earned, our games are pretty tight. I have no issue getting rid of Nicklas, I have no issue getting rid of Jake when I need to because I know he’ll do the same, I don’t know if I can take Kurt out...I really don’t....I would feel like the worst human on earth. Last time I played I knew there was no way I could win, but this time I want that third crown. The question towards the end of the game is going to be: how fucking much bitch...how fucking much.

*a little bit lateR*

I know that now that i'm not winning immunity FLAKJDS that I need to protect myself. As much as I DESPISE Malik, I know it’s smart to get him on my side right now because he has no one and is desperate...and y'all know how I love desperation hehe, it's a delicious meal with a side of unyielding loyalty. He wants to get an alliance going but I'm telling him that's impossible because of everyone's intertwining connections and the best thing to do is to keep our allegiance to each other a secret so we can keep each other safe from our opposing sides. This is necessary because if people want to make a move against me, they are going to think Malik is an easy number to do that with, so they are going to go to him to make the move, and then he's going to come to me. Covering my bases and this thicc ass. I’m also not going to tell Jake about this, point blank and the period I don’t trust him right now and I need to play him like I did Sid in Tonga, wait for him to start the foundation of a move against me not realizing I got bear traps all along his route. I’m not sure what this next vote is, all I know is I need to keep Malik protected without people thinking Armonia is getting the band back together. Right now my three biggest targets are Nicklas/Dennis/Andreas because I have no relationship with them and I have a relationship with everyone else. I don’t know how to get the vote on one of them because they all have deep connections in the game, but I need to think of something and soon because if not, an Armonia person is leaving and that hurts my game drastically. If I could get the vote on Chris when it was supposed to be Malik or Ned...I can do it again. Also catch my fake ass talking about destroying tribe lines at tribal council KFLJASD

Wow so tribal went very smooth, like butter. Chris is gone, his idol is gone, his kindness is gone, we have no room for any of that here. This is a villains season. And this is great because I’m like “villains strong omg guys” but in the back of my mind I know these shady motherfuckers are gonna start plotting, it’s inevitable. I’d be naive to think otherwise. The only problem with this vote was that it involved lying to Malik which is literally what I’ve been doing this entire game, but this time it’s more direct. It will be exposed and for the first time I risked burning that bridge with him entirely. Luckily he is very easy to manipulate and I feel like after literally two paragraphs and some guilt trips later (because he didn’t include me in on how he was voting, oh boohoo poor me), he was back in my pocket. God I love being evil and beautiful.

I sucked at immunity, which is great! I do not want to come off as a comp threat and give anyone any reason to come at me. I know that sounds like bullshit and it’s like “come on, one immunity won’t kill”. See, I entirely agree, but I want people to underestimate me and consider me weak, at least until f8. The other issue is that I actually already won an immunity this season, pre merge, but it was still individual immunity. I don’t want to rack up wins quite yet. If people think I’m easy to beat, at least comp wise, I have no issue with them keeping me around for that sole reason.

Last night was not good for me!! Once again no one was chatting, while Sarah was keeping me up to date on whats happening in the villains and huntresses groups. THEN Nicklas comes at me from left field and tells me that people know me and Sarah are close friends which was inevitable but I think puts a huge target on me. I took a big risk last round turning on the heroes and if the villains aren't willing to work with me right now I might be in a tangly spot.

Also okay so Andreas did some sleuthing and found some stuff.... SO I was on the wiki and saw this random account edited the Santorini page? So I was curious and clicked on the profile, and it turns out to be Sharifa. Cool enough. SO THEN i see she's active on this 'Survivor: Side Seasons' wiki ???? So once again im curious, I click on it. She made her first edit on this wiki in 4 years on Feb 19th, 4 days after the game began. She removed herself as listed as a host from a season, and turns out that kurt and matt both played in this season. Interesting and also questionable.

Sry I haven’t confused in a hot minute. Okay so we merged and right off the bat it was a little messy between sharifa and nicklas because I’m trying hard to get them to trust each other but sharifa thinks that Nicklas is too smart and will clock us. Tbh at this point I think it’s a lost cause. At the beginning of merge, Kurt tells me that lukas told him that ned told his last tribe that I wanted him to be Ammonia strong, and then Nicklas confirmed that to me and that everyone on his old tribe knows. So I blew up on Ned, who tells me that he told Malik who told Chris and Dennis because they’re close and that he’s really sorry about it. So was kinda annoyed that he was barely on but had time to accidentally almost ruin my game! So the votes happening and all of a sudden the villains chat is working together? Like oh? Someone found out that Chris has an idol and I am fully onboard to target his trio. We decide to split the votes between Chris and Malik and Chris goes. Now things are getting MESSIER. Someone told Sarah that sharifa has been saying her and andreas are friends which is a yikes. I only ever told Nicklas that but never mentioned sharifa saying it. I was hoping for an Andreas blindside because he has connections and is close to Sarah who has an idol, but clearly we got RATS on this island. (Eyes Lukas) Soooo things are probably going to be messy af tonight but I would like to work with Dennis to make a move since he tried building a bridge w me yesterday, but I also know he did it to multiple people so it might not be truly beneficial to me... whatever we’ll see!

Honestly sharifa thinking ned is loyal to her is so funny He told me about chris’s idol and he told sharifa and she be like omg ned pls tell sarah this so we can both know Bitch i already knew bc andreas/ned/I are close af Anyways, nick is starting to say that were close and we just merged so i really dont need that shit so im trying to convince sharifa and the others that he needs to GO matt is awol again so we really need to sort thay shit out. Im in a villains alliance but i want to be the first person to switch on it bc ned/andreas are heroes and i cant have the villains just completely demolishing them bc thats ugly Anyways its so fucking hard protecting them when im in an alliance with CRAZIES

So villains have agreed unanimously again that we’re going to pick off another hero, and because Ned and Andreas proved last tribal that they were willing to work with us, we decided to spare those two. That means once again the vote came down to Malik and Dennis. Sarah and Nicklas were both very outspoken to multiple people that they didn’t want to vote Dennis, which definitely raised some red flags. Why lobby to keep Dennis if you’re not aligned with him and Malik is the perfect goat? It was just very suspicious. ANYWAYS, we convinced Sarah to vote Dennis due to Lukas and I using the logic that Dennis is a much smarter player and it’s dangerous to keep him in, and of course if sarah did have something going with Dennis or any reason to keep him, she sure as shit wasn’t going to fight logic in the villains alliance chat. That would expose her. And she only does well at blowing her shit up behind the scenes, not in the open. So basically where I’m getting at with this is that the vote is going to Dennis by the looks of it.

I realized I won’t give these people the satisfaction of seeing me upset if I leave. It’s not even with the energy or to see them smile and laugh like they accomplished something in their life. Imma just do what I usually do these days is laugh it off and wish everyone the best of luck. Because that’s what a true player does.

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