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monboyfs-seesaw · 7 months

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ALRIGHT THATS ALL THE OLD MOVIES I actually really liked spiral, not as much as the original series, but it felt like it belonged with them, less like a self insert fanfiction like jigsaw. I think it did so much better by making someone shape their own motivations into John's form rather than someone literally just plagiarizing him (nelson)

Page break so I can carelessly go on a long tangent kgsgks

Yes schenk was also copying John but it was different than how Nelson did it. Nelson literally recreated the entire game itself just to change out the final two players. Schenk designed his own entirely new game and format while still keeping the jigsaw motif. You can wear your inspiration on your sleeve, just don't let it become coping, or whatever nightmind once said lolol schenk also took it a step further, challenging the format in a new way by not just trying to reshape people, but systems. It was a great way to extend the life of the series. The reason all the sequels didn't get boring is because they kept building on the plot of his apprentices. This is where Nelson suffered. He wasn't building on anything. He was essentially if we just remade 2 and said he was the new Amanda igdhikfh. It didn't further the original plot OR play with it in a new way (like spiral)

Jigsaw had its merits yeah but it just kinda fell flat in comparison to me. It definetly had the best camera work of the whole series (to me), but the story just kinda had me :// I also liked the games/traps in it more than spiral, but spiral was much more focused on the mystery than the games themselves so, yknow.

Tldr; jigsaw kinda sucked but spiral was pretty good and now I've completed my watch through of the series. So ready to watch X that I will eat my hands if I don't get to see it soon

SIDE TANGENT NELSON WAS LITERALLY JUST GORDON WHY WOULD YOU MAKE A NEW CHARACTER JUST TO BE EXACTLY THE SAME CHARACTER KBFDLBKDB AND WHY DO BOTH THESE NEW ONES HAVE SUCH A WEIRD MISOGYNISTIC STREAK?? WAS IT JUST TO PAINT THESE PEOPLE AS ASSHOLES?? THE OTHER FILMS DID THAT JUST FINE WITHOUT BEING VERY ODD TOWARDS WOMEN? Like horror movies overall have never been good to women thats just par for the course but like? In both the newer films they were oddly aggressive and demeaning towards women. Like how they treated elanor in jigsaw and how banks talked about women in spiral. I suppose for both of them you could make the excuse of "were trying to make banks and holloran clearly bad guys" but like?? These movies have succeeded for a long time by not really using that tool. We made the bad people cruel, or manipulative, or apathetic. Idk just making a character racist or misogynistic just so the audience can tell that they're bad feels? Cheap? Like at least banks has a little nuance to him to make it clear why he thinks like this (his divorce) but that could have only been done because he's "not ACTUALLY the bad guy, he's just mean" whereas holloran gets no elaboration because he's "just bad"

Then again. These movies are 90 minutes. How much story do I think they can tell.

#saw franchise #saw movies #spiral #jigsaw #rant #just some thoughts kbkhflfj i did enjoy them both despite what i say here

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