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stil-yr-sand · 1 year
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1, 11, 21, 27 for the ask game? also hi beloved hope youre having a good week
 Do you have freckles? 
I DONT its my buggest flaw j feel like my face and nose is sipposed to have freckles bjt i dlnt
What color are your eyes? 
like blue green grey ill find a pic some where
How was your day today? 
IM SO HAPPY U SEMT THIS ive been wanting to tell someone abmy day
ok so i had a dentist app so i woke ip souper early (8 :() and it took loke an hour and on the way home i got a coffee from dunkin but it was way too sweet and also too big but i stoll fonished it but most of it at kight snd then slso we stopped ag the bougie boutique roch people store to het a presrnt for my sister (crow u wuld love ot there so many pretty thi gs)amd then i Fianly went home ots loke 10:30 now amd i play somr animal jam and put on my Day Pyjamas and then i went to BOYFTIRND!!!! AT 11:30!!!! amd we had brucnh with his mom and sister and other sister and sister friend and jt was really mice his family is lovely hes always like my sisters r so weord but i reall like them and then we went and cuddled for like 5 hoirs straight im mot even kiddin g his bed is so comfy snd at soem point we tried to watxj oceans elevm bc hes never seen it (FREAK) but we got lik e 20mkns in and were borh falling alsleep so we decide to take a nap and i hadnt felt thag loved smd safe smd cozy in s while i love him alot BUT THEN MY ALARM WENT OFF bc i set an alarm bc last time we dwll asleep my mlm sjowed up andwas upset thag she had to wait dor me amd so the alsrm went off and it was 4:30 ( km smart and set it for half hoir before leave) and santi was like sand we gotta get foing amf i was like no and so we cuddled for half am hour more snd i love him so mich oh and then i weny home snd its -8 F rnand snow so thata cool i guess if u like snow but it means no drive for couple days which means no biygriend (evil) and um i went home and watched chrismas vacation (best movie) and had dinner and plaued ankmal jam. over all bdry good day lots of cuddled
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warm embraces & sudden kisses | ot7
↬ ᴘᴀɪʀɪɴɢ: ot7 x reader ↬ ɢᴇɴʀᴇ: fluff | requested | drabbles/headcannons ↬ ᴡᴀʀɴɪɴɢs: none ↬ ʀᴇQᴜᴇꜱᴛᴇᴅ ʙʏ: anon ↬ ʀᴇQᴜᴇꜱᴛ ᴡᴀꜱ: “ENHA REACTION TO YOU KISSING THEM OUT OF NO WHERE OR JOW THE CUDDLE WITH YOU PLS AND THANK YOU 🙏” ↬ ᴀ/ɴ: 
since this is the 100th post on this blog I decided to do an ot7 one
simultaneously, this was a request so it worked out !!
anon said or but I decided to try & write both in here :$ so there’s kinda 2 mini scenarios for each member
also i wrote this on my phone in my notes while i was out today which is why everything’s lowercase :)
anon if you’d like me to rewrite this less as scenarios and more as bullet points just lmk!
Lee Heeseung
[a light’s on in the kitchen]
you wake up with the feeling of warmth no longer around you. looking around, you see that heeseung’s no longer in bed with you. your hand makes it way to your phone on your nightstand, 3:07 am greets your eyes and you hear faint sounds from outside the room. you get up with a yawn, the haze of sleepiness still on you as you make your way around the apartment the two of you share, a light’s on in the kitchen. he’s making ramen, you think to yourself. he stands tall by the stove, your footsteps are quiet as you hear him singing a song. when you get to him, your arms arm around his waist as he turns around to greet you, you jump up to give him a quick kiss, intending to meet his lips but because of how tall he is, your lips meet his cheek. he smiles, pulls you in closer to him, tilting up your chin but teases you by pressing a kiss to the top of your head.
[finally home]
you’re nestled up on the couch while a movie plays on the tv. today wasn’t a good day, to say the least. you woke up late which didn’t give you a chance to eat breakfast with heeseung, when you ordered lunch the fries were burnt and the food undercooked, and when you got home heeseung texted you to let you know that practice was running a little late which meant he wouldn’t get to have dinner with you. your eyes stayed settled on the tv until the sound of the apartment door greets your ears, bringing you out of that movie marathon haze you were trapped in. heeseung smiles as he sees you, makes his way to you, as he hands you a takeout bag.
“i bought some food on my way home, i’ll change and then we can eat, yeah?” he notices that you’re sad but doesn’t press you on about it. you nod, taking the bag from him. when he comes back, the two of you eat while a new movie is running. when you’ve finished all the food, his arm wraps around your shoulders and his head rests on top of yours.
“you ok?” he asks. his embrace is comforting and safe, similar to what it feels like when a blanket is draped over you just before you fall asleep.
“i am now that you’re finally home.”
rest of the boys under the cut !!
Park Jongseong / Jay
[flustered and red]
jay’s making dinner in the kitchen while you’re setting the table. you hear him chattering, more to himself than anything as he tries to make dinner the best that it can be. with how busy his schedule was and how much you’ve been swamped with your own work, the two of you haven’t had much time for each other. so, the you both having a free day today was something you were definitely going to take full advantage of. after setting the table, you head into the kitchen to see him slicing up lettuce for a last minute salad. you let out a smile as you see him make a honey based dressing and decided to surprise him by hugging him from behind. usually, he does it to you. despite his confident appearance and composure, you can already tell that he’s getting all flustered and red.
“Yah, who said you can sneak up on me like that!” he says, but makes no effort to pull away. You move so that you’re in front of him,
“If that’s how you react when I hug, how will you react when I do this?” Going on your tiptoes, your arms make their way around his neck as you feel the softness of his lips on yours. Guess honey was good as moisturizer…
[i built us a house]
jay was sitting in his gaming chair, his gaming set up in its own room while you were in the living room doing your own thing. while you were typing away on your laptop you hear your name being called, causing you to look up.
“i wanna show you something,” he said.
“i’m busy, hon,” you reply.
“real quick, i promise.” you sigh, knowing damn well jay wasn’t going to leave you alone until you went with him. so, following him into his game room he sat on his chair.
“why am i here?” you asked. he patted his lap, motioning for you to sit on him. as you did, one of his hands moves your hair to the other side while an arm stays settled on you. you can feel his breath on your neck, the butterflies in your stomach now doing somersaults.
“i built us a house.” your eyes look at the screen to see it on his minecraft server as his character walks around. you smile, turn your head so you’re looking at him,
“this is our house?”
“one day i’ll make it happen in real life.” despite the large promise, deep down you knew jay was going to find some way to make it a reality.
Sim Jaeyun / Jake
[just a little more]
you were on the living room couch, layla’s head on your lap while you pet her. as you do, you’re typing on your phone with your free hand. jake makes his presence known by sitting next to you, his head popping into your line of sight. you set your phone aside, smiling as you pat his hair. he frowns,
“you’ve been giving layla your attention all day, what about me?”
“layla’s cuter than you,” you reply with a teasing smile. he frowns, sighing slightly as he looks at the sight of all your attention on layla. jake heads to your room, glad that you loved layla as much as he did but wished you loved him just a little more. you head to the room, seeing jake seated by the edge of the bed, you settled yourself so that you were sitting on his lap, your legs around his waist.
“i want your attention too.”
“someone’s jealous.”
“naur, i’m not jealous,” he says, looking away. you lean forwards, pressing a kiss to his lips that lingers on for a few seconds longer than it should.
“yaur, ya are,” you tease. he smiles, kisses you again as his grip on you tighten slightly,
“it got you here, didn’t it?”
[a pair of fuzzy socks]
you’re half asleep when you feel warmth to your feet and suddenly a pair of fuzzy socks have been placed over them. you say nothing, wanting to go back to sleep more than anything. a few seconds later, you feel a dip on the bed, two actually, and you’re aware of both jake and layla around you. jake lifts up your head gently. you hear him whisper,
“layla, don’t wake up your mother,” and the feeling brings tingles to your heart, fireworks spreading throughout your body. he snuggles closer to you, intertwining his legs with yours as he traces random patterns on your back just before falling asleep.
Park Sunghoon
[cold]
for as long as he could remember, park sunghoon has lived life cold. on the ice he was cold. towards people he acted cold. you entering his life was like the sun rising after a freezing winter night. you were the heat that rid himself of the icicles stuck to his cold exterior. you melted the snowflakes of winter and turned them into roses of spring. you were the warmth he never knew he was missing. he was in your apartment, washing the dishes after you made lunch. you headed to him placing your hand on his arm. he looked over to you, smiling as you hugged his side. you leaned up as you kissed him, he couldn’t hold back his small laugh. as he felt your lips on his, heat rose to his cheeks. but despite the shyness in him about to take over, he fights it, leaning into you and kissing you once more.
[cold hands]
sunghoon has always had cold hands. and whenever he cuddled with you, he made sure that you knew it. the two of you were joking, running around the apartment when you and sunghoon both ended up on the bed. a glint appeared in his eyes, a plan forming in his head. the tips of his fingers met your stomach as you started bursting out in laugher.
“HOON WHY DO YOU HAVE COLD HANDS,” you yelled as you tried to fight him off. he smiled, vampire teeth showing in all their glory as he settled next to you in bed. his hand rested on your stomach as he brought you to him, his cold feet pressing to yours.
“you’re my personal heater,” he said, pulling you closer to him.
Kim Sunoo
[a little too close]
sunoo has always been clingy around you. some days, he’ll grab your hand out of nowhere and start fiddling with your fingers. at the most random times, he’ll play with your hair and think about how to style it. being in sunoo’s embrace is something that you’ve always welcomed. you were sort of the opposite, accepting and welcoming his touch but never really initiating it. until, today that is. you noticed someone talking to sunoo getting a little too close to him. you didn’t think much of it knowing how friendly sunoo was towards people and how others naturally gravitated to him. but, you couldn’t help yourself when you made your way to them and held onto sunoo’s hand, practically staring down the other person. sunoo smiled, intertwining your hands together while bringing you into the conversation. unsurprisingly, the outsider moved closer and without even thinking, you kissed sunoo’s cheek. his eyes slightly got wide as he looked at you, but it was an action he was glad for. in return, he kissed your cheek with a smile and couldn’t stop talking about it for the rest of the day.
[a tough day]
you were having somewhat of a tough day, having cramps, on and off headaches, and an annoying ringing in your ears that you just couldn’t get rid of. sunoo came home to find you layed on the couch, his heart breaking at the sight. he got some things and brought it to the living room,
“what are you doing?” you asked.
“spa day!” he replied excitedly. he rubbed lotion on your hands, placed cucumbers on top of your eyes, and combed out your hair. the night came to an end with you and sunoo laying on the couch together, him patting in the face mask then rubbing soothing circles on your stomach. with sunoo came a bubble of warmth you never wanted to leave.
Yang Jungwon
[make me]
jungwon’s in a playful mood today and with that playful mood comes teasing you. you’re in the living room where he decided to grab your sketchbook and hold it up above your head.
“won, give it back!” you exclaimed in annoyance, glaring at him. he has the audacity to look amused and he tells you,
“make me.” he’s always found joy in teasing you for your height and right now was no different. a plan forms in your head as you take some steps backwards. as you practically run to him, his eyes widen with fear as he’s forced to let go of your sketchbook to catch you and you end up latched onto him like a koala. you kiss him, in those few seconds the entire world stops and it’s as if no one but him exists. the kiss lingers on a second or two longer than you intended as jungwon’s grip on you tightens so that you don’t fall. on his face you see him smiling and those dimples that you’ve always loved appear. jungwon was never good at hiding his emotions, his love for you no different. you close your eyes as he leans down, you expect a kiss returned but instead, he kisses the top of your head. lightly flicking your forehead gently,
“that’s what you get for being short,” he says.
[i'm here]
with all his responsibilities and the things jungwon needs to take care of at such a young age, coming home to you is the one constant in his life. to him, the second he’s able to wrap his arms around you, revel in the scent of your shampoo, and gets to hold you, everything is just complete. at 1:06 am, he came home. it was late, he was exhausted and all he wanted to do was sleep. he headed into the room you two shared, only to see you still awake.
“you’re up?” he asked.
“no, i’m asleep,” you reply sarcastically. he sighs, setting into bed next to you, “someone’s tired,” you said.
“i want cuddles,” he mutters unable to hide his need for your affection. you shift and his head lays on your shoulder. you run your hand through his hair while you kiss the top of his head,
“i’m here.”
Nishimura Riki / Ni-ki
[bungeo to his ppang]
more than anything, ni-ki liked to be by your side. whether it was while he was watching something on his phone, showing you a new dance routine, or asking you to dye his hair, as long as you were just with him, he was happy. sleeping is something that ni-ki has always enjoyed, how could he not when it grants him a few moments of peace before a busy day? the two of you are in the car, he rests his head on your shoulders. unlike normal, he doesn’t fall asleep this time. he pretends to, he closes his eyes, stays still while enjoying your warmth, but he’s not actually asleep. you didn’t seem to notice, he feels you messing with his hair a bit, something he’s never minded as long as it was with you. he hears you talking about how cute he is, practically fangirling over him. he feels you kiss the top of his head lightly,
“sleep well, ni-kitty,” he hears you whisper. he doesn’t move, doesn’t show any sign that he’s affected by your sudden actions of love. but deep down, he feels a happiness around you that’s greater than how he feels when he’s on stage. when he performs he enjoys the thousands of eyes that watch him but all he thinks about are how your eyes look at him with adoration and pride. it was in this moment that he knew, you were the bungeo to his ppang.
[take a break]
after dinner, you’re sitting on the floor of the table in front of the tv, trying to get some work done. suddenly, you feel a weight on your lap. you look down to see ni-ki’s head on your lap, his eyes closed but he’s clearly still awake.
“yah, get off,” you said, slightly lifting up your leg.
“no.” you roll your eyes, deciding not to pay attention to him as you go back to sleep our work. it seems that ni-ki had other plans as he took your one of your hand and starting fiddling with it.
“ni-ki, i’m busy.”
“take a break,” he said. you look down at ni-ki… how could you refuse? you put away your things, shifting so that your full attention was now on him. he smiled up at you, fiddling with the edge of your clothes while saying the most random things that made you laugh.
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if anyone’s read up to this point pls lmk how it was, i’m not really good with ot7 scenarios typa things 😭
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potatosliving-blog · 5 years
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Hi there to anyone reading this,probably no one right now since i've just started this account,i already have another one but i never have the gut to post whatever i want there,bc you know, people i know irl and don't want them to think i'm a weird ass, mentally ill,awkward, desperate person who is trying too hard to recover,no thank you, i'll keep the cute,shy,funny, a bit sassy -whose sassiness comes out of nervousness and weird ass self defense mechanisms that i don't even know when or how the hell have i developed-person they think i am.so yeah, this account has no other purpose than documenting my journey throught my recovering,fingers crossed🤞🏼
You might think "well,get your shit together and go seek help you rotten potato,we ain't your therapist" well,i swear i tried to. I went to an expensive ass therapist,without my mom knowing,bc my sister is also diagnosed with depression and went to the same exact therapist,my mom was already so frustrated about that,i heard her cry every night in her bed,i saw sadness and helplessness in her eyes everyday, so i chose not to tell her,it would kill me to see her even sadder than this,she doesn't deserve this, she deserves the world and that's what i will bring her one day, although i LOVE talking to her whenever i'm going through severe depressive episodes, she might not have the best answers,she doesn't offer me any kind of do-able solutions,it just give me a sense of relief that i never feel talking to anybody else,it's enough for me to see how much she cares about me without waiting for anything in return.Unconditional love ,that's the word. Yeah i've totally forgotten my main point here,i found out that therapist,who swore to me that i can talk freely and she would never tell anyone about it or even reveal my identity to other patients and that it was her job,told every other patient about my story,she even told her secretary,yeah it sucked, especially that i kept going there for a while without knowing that i'm revealed in front of all those people,even when i'm with her she would tell me about other patients' stories with their names and i felt that wasn't just right. So yeah i stopped going to her,and that gave me a mountain of trust issues that i'm dealing with right now. The city i'm in doesn't provide a good number of therapists so there is no possibility of seeing a therapist rn. After this i decided that from jow on i'm gonna help myself and would not need anybody to do that for me,let me tell you, it has been 4 years already and not a single day have i felt that i was getting better.maybe a temporary feeling,but everything goes back to how it was ,and sometimes even worse. So I decided to make a blog or an annonymous account to let all my feelings out,i've been repressing them for a very long time and i can't take it no more. I'm exhausted and my soul is tired and worn out,if that's the word.so this account doesn't any purpose other than documenting my recovery journey, posting memes maybe,share beautiful moments of my life,helping people who are just like me and trying to begin their journey,bc no one ever deserves to live in such a self-destrctive and devastating manner,everyone deserves to witness the feelings to relief,happiness,pure joy,satisfiction,achieving,having their shit together.
If you reach this point of the post you ate such a patient and caring and amazing person and i love you and we can be friends so dm me so that i can send u memes🐶
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isangboses-luma · 3 years
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The Comment Thread for the previous post
Nash Tysmans Tight tight hugs for you and your family. 1
Yami Pagaran-Dy Condolence Rem1
Jaime Yabut Hernandez Jr Amen. They, too, will be waiting in anticipation of that great day of the Lord. 
ActiveR E de Leon*Hugs Kuya Jaims
Ecca BiMy condolences, Sir.1
Jean MigrasoThank you for sharing Rem..our hearts goes with you and your whole family.1
Lynette Carpio-SerranoHugs from us, Rem.1
Kathrina Lara NavalCondolences to you Sir and to your family 1
Jabez FloresAmen! Thank you for your life, Ninong Lani! 2
Vincent SilardePakikiramay.1
Jose D. VictoleroTrue, indeed, Rem. He had lived his life with much impact in the lives of others2
ActiveR E de LeonThanks Kuya. Miss you very much.
Elaine Quimio VillalinoCondolence1
Maggie AlmoroSending you love and prayers R E de Leon. 1
Honey de PeraltaMy condolences, Rem. Prayers for you and your family.1
Brinks AloCondolences and prayers 1
Cleofe TorresWe praise God for your father's faithful walk with Christ. Condolence,Remi.We wont forget his warm accommodation of us when we visited and slept in your home years ago in La Union.1
Emy GinonLast night Ninong Omar and me, watched Jesus's story based on the gospel of John.So familiar with that gospel, but I better appreciated when the role of Jesus and each artist give life to God's words.Yes, It is finished! Jesus died in obedience to th… See More1
Luz GhernandezAmen... God used your Dad and made an impact in the lives of many...All glory to Him.... They raised you well n your siblings too..2
Erica Gonzales(more hugs)1
ActiveR E de LeonThanks for always being around Doc EK1
Edmund CentenoCondolences, Rem.1
Kitchen KatNakikiramay ako, Rem...1
James Bryner ChuThis is a beautiful hope-filled tribute, Rem. Thank you for sharing. I look forward to meeting your dad in the Morning. May Christ our Lord comfort you and your family through this time of sadness and longing.1
Myrna FloresAMEN AMEN!1
Jaime Manalo IVThis is beautiful. Thanks for sharing this, Sir Rem.
Jonathan Nambu sending our love, prayers, and virtual hugs to you, R E de Leon and the whole family, from me and Thelma Galvez Nambu1
Mark Vincent Nuñez Nakikiramay ako.
Che Medrano Mahigpit na yakap, Sir Rem.1
Eula Garzon Thank you for sharing this. Praying for the family, Rem.1
Eric Ramos Amen Rems. We will miss Sanko Lani very much 1
Adrian Arcega Nakikiramay, Rem.1
Natasha Bondoc Condolences, Sir Rem 1
Chris Linag Pakikiramay sa inyong pamilya, Rem.1
Indirah Dee MacIver Nakikiramay po, Sir Rem.1
Marianne Sopena Condolence Sir. Prayers for his soul1
Gen Viva Prayers, sir Rem. 1
Rainier Cantre My condolences Sir Rem.1
Eustace Karlo Escalante Condolence kuya rem1
Marian Vielle Patience Condolence po, Sir. 1
Ailyn Zabala Cuesta Condolences to the bereaved family.1
Eufemio Agbayani III Nakikiramay po. The Lord be with you always as He has been with your dad1
ActiveR E de LeonThe last church he spoke regularly in was UCCP Tubao, La Union. He taught the sunday school classes before the service.2
Henry VillanuevaAmen. Well done good and faithful servant Ninong Lani. We love you so much.1
Gerard IanCondolence sir1
Celia Dela VinaA touching lovely tribute to your dad, the kuya Lani of the Navs...hugssss to you Rem, your mom and the whole.fam 1
Aleks TanCondolences, Rem The Lord comfort you and your family.1
Geralyn Rigor-HagströmCondolences Sir Rem1
Michi Arcangel-NombradoCondolences, Sir Rem.1
Danny MedinaTwo thumbs up to Kuya Lani.1
Bea DoloresNakikiramay po..1
Danny MedinaHi Rem musta ka na bro. God bless you and accept or sympathy. Condolences to your family1
Jannette PinzonAmen, Rem! Praise God for this Truth! Looking forward to that Grand Reunion in God's unfailing love, grace and faithfulness. Our prayers are with you-- may God's comfort embrace you in this time of grief. 1
Socorro CruzAmen!1
ActiveR E de LeonTe Elsa ingat kayo diyan palagi. Praying.
Danny MedinaHi Rem I miss those days a ACLC long time ago sa LA union noong teeners PA lang kayo Nina Joshua Lee De Leon. Hahaha those were the days.1
Marjan Nur Salonga SalandananNakikiramay sa inyo, Rem!2
Joy Cañas RebulananPraise God for His faithfulness in your father's life, Sir Rem. May God's comfort and peace be with your family at this time.1
Matell LiamsonMy condolences, R E de Leon.1
Gloria SaguitAmen!!!1
Beejay BautistaCondolences to your family1
Fjel MarananWhat a beautiful tribute. Hugs and prayers, best.1
Pamela RodelasMy Condences po..1
Jena Victoria Baril-PiñonCondolences. 1
Krista GarciaCondolences Rem1
Roma Villareal-SantiagoCondolence Rem. *hugs*1
Chinky Lagon MoraldeCondolence, Kuya Rem.1
Geremie M. NobleGlory to God for your father’s life sir R E! Eyes on eternity!1
Mel Mahigpit na yakap, Remi.1
Heidi Colom I am so sorry for your loss. RIP.1
Roo Estrellanes Virtual hugs bro to you and fam.1
Roselle Lijauco-Ibuna Our prayers and condolences1
Arman Capili My condolences to you and your family, Sir Rem R E de Leon...1
Florence Ann De Castro Condolences po... Praying with you.1
Tracy Ortiz Beautiful Rem.1
Yvette Geroleo Condolences Sir Rem and to your family po.
Triccie Cantero condolence to you and your family, Rem.
ActiveR E de Leon Thanks Triccie! I miss hanging out at your shop!1Triccie Cantero R E de Leon those were the days talaga.
Belen Aquino I am thankful because the life he lived is a manifestation of God's love for us. Hugs Rem, Ate Yollie, Joshua, Jonathan and Ate Lita
Belen Aquino R E de Leon miss na namin kayo lalo na si Ate Yollie virtual hugs for her Rem. Oh how we love you with the love of the Lord
Digna Mac Paner Condolences Rem....1
Joel Imbing Ortiz Hugs, Rem! Love & prayers.1
Chard De Vera Condolence and .1
Inez Ponce de Leon condolences and prayers to you and your family1
Jerome Lodevico My deepest condolences insan. Take care and God Bless.1
Irene JoWe will miss Tito Lani so much, para na rin namin siyang naging tatay. Praying for you and your family, Kuya.2
MrsHazel BrunoCondolences 1
Cherry Rose Piñon Condolences, sir.
Dearyll Gonzales Our deepest sympathies
Paolo Garces My sincerest condolences.
Lady Ga Condolence Rem
Regina Layug Rosero Oh, I'm so sorry Rem
Dennis Garcia Thank your Rem for sharing your Dads life to us.
Tatcee Dava Macabuag My condolences
Kharren Palacios Condolences, Sir Rem.
Sunshine Munar Condolence kuya rem ...
Gneel Palines Magno Condolence Bro!
Jean Francis Ayo Barcena nakikiramay, rem. praying for you and your family.
Len Cee When I hear the song "Find Us Faithful", isa si Tito Lani sa naalala ko talaga. He will be missed.1
Jenniliz I. Olarte He lived out Christ, and now will gain greatly in the arms of our Lord—the same One who will comfort and sustain you and your family. Thanks for sharing his legacy of faithfulness. To God be the glory!
Hope Trinidad Condolence Rem and the whole family...take care of Ate Yolly
Duday de Villa-Custodio Condolences, Rem. Sending hugs and prayers to you and your family...
Anna Skat Rau Amazingly said Rem.
Angela Camille Azaña Labiano Prayers and condolences Sir Rem
MindyMax Gironella Padura My sincerest condolences.. Sending prayer Sir Rem1
Ma. Ciejay J. Calara Condolences Rem1
Mila Chu Moving remembering of your Dad. Thanks Rem for sharing. Our prayers are with you and Yolly and the entire family.1
Lanie Suguitan 1
Jaykee Jaykes Our sincerest sympathy to the whole family, Remi...Jk&deo1
Sheena Lozada Balite Condolences po Sir Rem! 1
Ning Matulac Seven last words as gleaned from your dear departed father’s life. My condolences Remi and family, yes he will be with those risen from the dead to be with the Risen Lord.1
Rico Pamplona Condolence & prayers for you, Rem & the whole family. I’ll surely miss your Dad.
Andie Cosio condolence Sir Rem...
Rowie Quincena Jucal Our condolences Rem and to your family... surely we will miss Sanko Lani
Mariel Kierulf Asiddao Condolences Rem, this is a beautiful tribute to your dad
Gloria Saguit Amen!!! To God be the glory !!!
Marion Renolla Retuerne i thank God upon every rembrance of you...we love you,ate n the 3 boys(men n pala)...hugs
Norilyn Carpio With deep sympathy and sadness with you and your family Rem. Lalo na ke ate Yollie.Walang pag sidlan ng lungkot ang pag kawala ng dad mo at kuya namin. Wala ring pagsidlan ang saya na kaparte kami sa pamilya nyo.It is a great honor Rem...thank you!… See More
Casey Copengco So sorry for your loss Rem. My condolences.
Antonina Ruth Bruno What a beautiful tribute to a man of God! Praying that the Lord Jesus Will Comfort your heart and those of your family at this time. My mom went home to be with Jesus 2 years ago and I'm always reminded of the hope we have, because Easter was her favor… See More1
Joanne C. Marges Nakikiramay, Kuya Rem.
Wendy Clare Beautifully said...the resurrection means all the more when our saved loved ones go ahead of us. Praying for comfort here and a joyful reunion on the other side whenever the Lord sees fit to take you home. <><1
Tommy Matic IV My most sincere condolences Rem.
Nem CastroCondolence Sir Rem and family!
Elnora Ebillo Condoling with you and family Rem. May His peace that passes all undersranding be in your hearts.
Cecile Bacarisa Fajardo Sorry for your loss sir rem
Pearl Bambico-estrada The wound is deep, remi, your words made me cry while reading... but after reading, the wound may heal but i don't know when, because kuya lany have really touched our hearts and our lives.... we love you all...1
Chin Chin Condolence, sir.
Avie Olarte Our deepest condolence to the family .. rest in everlasting peace aurea and benny olarte and family
Milagros Racacho Baldemor Our deepest sympathy on your loss. Praying for his eternal repose.
Bett E. Ram Our condolences Remi, may he rest in peace
Mya Rosos-Tenorio Praying for the family.
Cheska Kyx Young Pakikiramay po at panalangin para sa inyo Sir at sa inyong pamilya.
Mabel Sudaprasert Sincere condolences to you and your family, Rem...
Emerita Trases It such a great blessing to be a part of your family.
Janice Dalaza Baradi condolence po.
Clerisse Payson Condolences to you and your fam, sir!
Cheska TaculodCondolences sayo Kuya Rem... God’s comfort and peace be upon you..
Sier C Menis Condolence Rem
Moki Magpantay Condolences bro
Franco Antonio Regalado My condolences.
Burt Gabot My deepest condolences, Red. I know exactly how you feel.
Gege Cruz Sugue Thank you for sharing this, Rem.
Leovic Arceta Condolences.
Alexa Lhei prayers
OLa Paula Condolence
Niña Irene Reyes Condolences Kuya Rem and fam
Ronito Regacho Ting Condolence Rem...RIP po Tito
Michael Lim Thank you, Rem. May it be that in death as in life, he may usher people into God’s kingdom.Til we meet again!
Grace Marie B Gonzales Condolences and prayers
Fely Medina Gonzalgo Condolence rem we are one with you in your loss.
Romualdo Picar De Ocampo Condolence Rem!Paul said,I have fought the good fight, I have finished the race, I have kept the faith. (2 Timothy 4:7)
Bernadette Ruth Milagros Orencia-biasbas Condolence Rem...
Mildred Moscoso My heart goes out to you and your family, Rem. May the Lord send you His comfort during these times.
Elsie Coloma We Will Miss u Brother/Compadre
Jean Tumanon Condolence Rem and to the whole family. Praying for God’s comfort.
Maria Celeste Habito Cadiz A life well lived and given. Prayers for his eternal rest and comfort for his loved ones left behind.
Joanna Victolero Blessed by this post po, kuya Rem. Condolence po to the family. Praying for everyone po
Sharon Corpuz Aytona Condolence Rem..
Kate Palma de Jesus Prayers for his eternal rest..
Kristopher Dela Cruz Condolences bro and fam.
Romeo Hernandez Nakikiramay ako sa inyong pamilya Rem salamat sa magandang naiwang alala ng inyong Tatay sa pamilya nyo at sa maraming tao na natulungan nia isa na ang pamilya namin. Sobrang na blessed kami sa buhay ni Lani at ni yoly n sa inyong magkakapatid. Ang huling talk namin ni Lani ng irequest nia na paano simulan ng formal na program ang grupo sa cubao bilang isang church. At nagawa naman nia i hope magpatuloy ang grupo at isang magandang alala sa ating lahat ang kaniyang ginawa. Salamat Rem sa naipost mo nkaka touch naman again tanggapin nyo ang aming taos pusong pakikiramay sa inyong pamilya.
Drew Santos Condolences Rem and to your family.
Julie Holmes Reeves So sorry for your loss!! Glad he knew Jesus!! Hugs your way!!
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The House of Smoke and Fog
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November, 1916
During the Somme battle and through the winter months, the Germans created a fortification behind the Noyon Salient that would be called the Hindenburg Line. This line of fortifications ran from Arras south to St Quentin. British long-range reconnaissance aircraft first spotted the construction of the Hindenburg Line in November 1916
-follow me- Crawley said. And Blake followed, as if Crawley was his big brother. He missed Jow more than anything now.
It was their first mission. They didn’t know it, but they were in the middle of what History would have called the Battle of the Ancre. It was the last big British operation of the year, Blake thought: the weather would have kept both sides occupied for a couple of months. He didn’t want to disappoint anybody. He wasn’t happy to be there, but that’s where he wanted to be: it felt strange, as if his body and his mind always wanted opposite things.
The first attack on Serre failed, although a brigade of the 31st Division, which had attacked in the disaster of 1 July, took its objectives before being withdrawn later. After 5 days, Blake and Crawley were following their mates: their unit was ordered to support the Canadian 4th division. They had conquered Regina Trench. Their next target was Desire Support Trench.
-always look ahead, keep your eyes opened for the Boches.
-never look away, got it- Tom said. Erin’s face coming to his mind: ‘never look away’ was how she said goodbye to him every time they parted.
Good luck, Tom.
Good luck, Cro
-silence now- whispered the Sargent Barnes.
That’s how it began.
By the end of the battle, Blake was sitting in the mud, covered in blood. He couldn’t even know if it was his blood or someone else’s: the barbed wire had trapped him right after they went out of their trench. He almost got killed because of it. He almost immediately lost Crawley. When they finally got the Desire Support Trench, the Canadians moved forward. The commanders ordered to go ahead and gain as much land they could. It was a massacre. They met a fortification, trench made of solid concrete. The Hindenburg Line. They withdrew, and finally rested as the day was coming to an end and the rain started falling.
-they knew it was there, they knew about the line, they must have seen it from the planes, they’ve been flying over it for days. What was the purpose of moving forward? We’ve lost more men trying to Go back here, then conquering two trenches. Bloody bastards
Soldiers were complaining all around Blake. He was unusually silent. Unusually dark. Unusually lost. Crawley’s body was right in front of him. His face deformed by a bullet that ended his life. He had never lost Blake. He was always there right behind him. ‘Sorry, mate. I can’t fallow you where you’re going now’, he whispered.
His memory went back to when he told him about Erin that past summer, while they were in training, smoking Crawley last cigars under an incredibly uncomfortable tree.
-what happened then?- Crawley asked -how did you get from I love you to not even writing to each other.
He genuinely wanted to know. And Blake told him everything
-on 1916 some politician came up with this Military Service Act, which would have introduced conscription later on that same ear. No one else wanted to volunteer anymore. The government had finally realised they were running out of men. I was running out of time, instead. It was my last chance to enlist and prove I was no less than my brother, no less than those who were fighting. My last chance to prove I wasn’t a coward. How was I supposed to go to college , go on with my life and get a job? Who would have ever employed a coward? And without a job I had no future, nothing to offer to Erin. Nothing. So I enlisted. You can imagine how my mother reacted. She rushed to Church in tears. She spent the whole day there, praying. I guess she met Erin on her way back home from school. She noticed something was wrong. My mom tried to dissimulate, but she’s always been a bad liar. She’s like an open book. Erin followed her home. I had just finished to pick up the last cherries in my mother’s orchard. I used to do it with Joe. It was our thing. I wanted to finish it before I left. And then I heard her voice, like a whisper behind me. She wasn’t crying she sounded more as if she was breathless. As if her lungs were collapsing under a weight she couldn’t bear.
-it’s true, then. You really did it- she said.
I couldn’t bear to look at her. She was so beautiful, even in anger. Her white dress and the cherry blossoms were one whole. She was there, right in front of me, all dressed in white. I didn’t want to leave. I only wanted to take her to Church and marry her. But I couldn’t.
-I knew it - she kept saying. I tried to approach her, but she pulled me away.
-I knew three years would have been too much for you. I expected you to fall for some other girl, I could have understand that. I’m not a beauty and I am not easy, I’ll give you that. But I’ve never imagined you would have given up on me for rifle. A. BLOODY. RIFLE- she screamed, hitting me. She wanted to hurt me, I think but at the same time she did nothing too harmful. She could have gone for the head. Kick me in the ass. Punched me. I would have never reacted and she knew it. But she didn’t truly hurt me. She was just venting her anger.
-I hope you will survive, Tom Blake. And that you will spend the rest of your days on this earth with your precious baionette, cause if it’s mental you prefer, then metal you shall have. I’ve never thought you could have the courage to kill a man, and I admired that. But I suppose I was wrong, you’re just like everyone else. I thought you were just being a bit of a blowhard when you talked about how much you’d have enjoyed to kick some boches’ asses and get your big brother home again. But you weren’t. You were serious. Just like everyone else. Go then. Get married with your rifle. I hope it will take care of you in the years to come, cause I won’t for sure. I will go on with my life, just as planned, wether peace will come or not. I will live. Not survive, waiting for someone who picked death over me. And when you’ll be there, in the mud of a trench, among the rats Joe talked to you about, don’t you even dare to think about me. I won’t be there with you, you won’t be in my thoughts. I won’t wait for you, looking at the horizon like a pathetic shell of a woman you can read a bout in a shoddy novel. For three years We kept telling each other to keep our eyes on our future, to keep going forward, you even like when I tell you ‘never look away’ more than when I say ‘I love you’... you lied to me, you BASTARD! You’ve been looking away the whole time. To bloody French trench. I am so angry with you for not saying anything... you should have told me you wanted to enlist. You should have told me
-And then? What happened then?- Crawley asked.
-she caressed my cheek one last time. She struggled, as if I was fire. She almost couldn’t touch me. And then she walked away. I tried to follow her, but she told me to not to. And the way she did it hurted me more than anything else, cause I was hurting her just by being there. As if my presence was stabbing her. I followed her from afar, then. She didn’t notice me. I made sure she reached her home safe. I watched as she disappeared behind he door. That was the last time I saw her. I went by her door every night, before I left, hoping to see her shape in the backlight of her bedside table’s lamp. She used to leave it on for me, sometimes, as a sign. And I used to climb over the porch, get in by her window and sleep with her. But this time she didn’t turn the light on.
-I see... did you ever think about writing to her?
-all the time. There’re so many things I’d like to tell her
-but ?
-but she doesn’t even want me to think about her, how on earth could I dare to write her? She asked me not to, and I must respect that.
-you must... uhm. What did she mean by ‘you even like more when I tell you to never look away, than when I say I love you’?
-it was just a thing I had... I didn’t like to say I love you. I meant it, but I didn’t want to say it.
-You lost me
-how can I explain it... everyone says I love you. It’s on war postcards, unknown women working in helmets factory write it on an old piece of newspaper and hide the note inside it, lovers at the train station, actors in movies, characters in books, everybody says I love you. Many times they’re lying. Or faking it. You can even find it on Valentine’s pralines. I don’t want to express my feelings for Erin by saying something you can chew. We had our secret tongue, Erin and I. One day she was comforting me, cause I had panicked for my finals, I felt like a good for nothing and she told me ‘when you’re scared, think about all the amazing things that are waiting for you. Keep your eyes on your future. How could you be a good for nothing? You can succeed at something everyone else’s failed: making me happy. Remember: Never look away’. And it just clicked my mind. From then on that’s how I told her I loved her.
-just write her that
-she would burn the letter.
-mate, I’ve been married for a decade. Listen to me. Write.
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Hey guys sorry I haven't been active today. I got in a rage when my sister laughed at me when my mom hung in on me. I may or may not have hit her with y the phone and gotten in major trouble. So as of now, I have no phone and we are talking about it tomorrow.  I'm just gonna say the story cause I need to get it off my chest.
1. Mum left for Walmart,  told us to unload dishwasher
2. I started unloading and my sister help at first so I put up silver wear and cups and left the rest for her
3. She got mad and called my mother.
4. Sister told me that mum wanted myee told o fold clothes. I went to myeeake sure just pants . I don't fold rowers told o hey hate me. 
5 mum didnt answer so sister laughed at me. I hit her with the phone on her head in a small burst of anger angered I felt 100 times worse.
6 mum called back, heard sister crying I told her I hit her, she rushed home
7. Gets home tells me told he yo go upstairs. Whips me with angered belt, which she almost never does with her hand, much less belt.
8. Tells me to get my shoes on, I don't belong in the house. We get in the car, in scared half told death, she gives me angered kankri worthy lecture until we get on my grandmas street.
9. We look at a house for sale. Doesn't tell me anything about what inms happening, don't even have shades to mask my eyes so anyone who came by could see my red as firetruck eyes still scared shit less that she is gonna leave me here over night.
10. We leave and gonna to walmart.I try and be as less as an annoyance as I can so I walk and stand like I'm at attention inms marching band. She gets me light up earbuds. 
11. Go home. I shower, read, she comes in to look at my injuries. No bleeding but major swelling has occured. Tells us to go to bed. I finish book
12. Now um here. I see an anon, really happy about that, I see an aesthetic I had asked for a while back. Cheered me. Now I have anxiety so you can imagine what was going through my head the whole day. 
I'm gonna post this jow, sorry for grammer, typed this as fast as I could.
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Never Say Die: The Warrior Mindset of a TCM Practitioner
Plum Dragon Podcast Series, Episode 2: Kenton Sefcik, TCMD, R. Ac
The Warrior Mindset of a Traditional Chinese Medicine Practitioner
“I have really learned that if I can just have a stubborn ‘stick-it-out-ed-ness,’ I will survive, I will win.  I will be able to influence my community with health and healing, and I will be able to feed my family. This mindset took a lot of time, and it took a lot of other people’s involvement in me, mentorship in me.  There’s no way that I just kind of woke up one day and said, ‘Oh I am the never say die kind of guy.'”
Welcome to the new Plum Dragon Herbs Podcast Series “Staying in the Game.” In this podcast series, we will have conversations on achieving greater health and fitness and natural ways to manage pain. In this, our second episode, we’re talking to Kenton Sefcik, a seasoned acupuncturist and TCM practitioner as well as martial artist, author, and mentor. Kenton is also the creator of TCM Graduate TV where he provides online education to up and coming acupuncturists and naturopathic doctors.
Kenton discusses how his ‘never say die’ attitude has served him well in life, and how developing this warrior mindset of mental toughness didn’t happen overnight and took a lot of time, effort, and mentorship.
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EP02 Never Say Die: The Warrior Mindset of a TCM Practitioner
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View the complete transcript of the show (at the bottom of this post)
Show Notes:
0:42 Introduction to how Kenton got into acupuncture and martial arts
5:14 How acupuncture school impacted his martial arts training
6:38 Traditional Chinese Medicine principals: The body has an innate ability to heal itself
“The body has an innate ability to heal itself.  All that i think I am doing it is reminding it and coaxing it back to health. We don’t really force anything to happen.”
9:10 How Chinese medicine zooms out on the person to see the whole picture
11:24 Most gratifying experiences as an acupuncturist and TCM practitioner
17:28 “Never say die” attitude in life and his mantra: “Whoever lasts the longest wins.”
19:05 Being patient with people who struggle to have a positive mindset
24:23 Getting your mindset right takes time; what to do while developing mental toughness
29:00 Some patients aren’t ready for change; their fixed mindset is serving them somehow
30:40 Being patient and developing rapport with patients to help them adopt new healthy practices and mindsets
“I learned that not only could I hurt somebody, I could also heal….so a big part of martial arts is self-defense.  Putting somebody down. Getting control of them. And the Chinese medicine is the other side of that coin. It’s the helping healing member of your community…so they definitely compliment each other….so you’ve got the hurting and the healing, if you will.  They really compliment each other. The yin and the yang.”
31:42 Teaching the importance of  “BPM” (breathing, posture, movement)
35:30 Using acupuncture and practicing BPM on himself
39:20 The role of Chinese herbs in his practice and his experience with Plum Dragon products
40:00 Dit Da Jow has been around forever and has played a huge role in martial arts training
42:50 Pain is bad but discomfort is good
43:40 Why the RICE method (Rest, Ice, Compression, Elevation) doesn’t work
46:30 How to get in contact with Kenton and not be afraid to approach him on any health topic
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 Full Transcript of Podcast:
Janelle: You’re listening to “Staying In The Game,” a Plum Dragon Herbs Podcast, where we have conversations on achieving greater health and fitness and natural ways to manage pain. I’m your host, Janelle Leatherwood. Joining us today is Kenton Sefcik, a seasoned acupuncturist and martial artist, author, and mentor. He is also the creator of TCM Graduate TV, where he provides online education to up and coming acupuncturists and naturopathic doctors. We’re thrilled that he can join us today. Kenton, welcome to our podcast. We’re so glad to have you here with us today.
Kenton: Thank you.
Janelle: And I would love to have you introduce yourself to our guests.
Kenton: I’ll do my best. So my name is Kenton Sefcik. I’m a registered acupuncturist and I’ve been practicing acupuncture and traditional Chinese medicine. I’m in my 11th year. I’m also a martial artist. I’ve been practicing traditional Chinese kung fu for 24 years.
Janelle: Wow, that’s amazing.
Kenton: So I got started…my usual story, how I kind of tell everybody how I got in all these things, many patients asked me, “So how did you get into acupuncture?” And I say, “Well, I have to back you up to when I was 14 years old.” When I was 14 years old I was living in my parent’s basement. And a commercial came on at about 2 am. And it was a white-haired guy beating up ninjas on a bridge.
Janelle: That’s great.
Kenton: So I woke up the next morning. And I said, “Mom, you have to take me to this kung fu school.” And she said, “No, way. You’ve quit soccer. You’ve quit piano. You don’t ice skate anymore. There’s no way that I’m taking you to a kung fu school.” But my mom’s a little bit of a softy for me. I’m adopted. I’m an only child. It only took me about an hour. I was joked at. I won her over pretty quickly. And you know, within a couple of days she talked to my dad and said, “Okay, fine. We’ll take you to this kung fu school.” And I’m so grateful that she did because, you know, here I am 24 years later. You can do the math on how old I am there. And I’m still practicing Chinese kung fu, martial arts. I’m obsessed with movement. Martial arts has been a great way for me to relate with the world of today.
And it was through martial arts that I made a very good friend by the name of David Rose, who practices in Calgary, Alberta Canada. And Dave and I became really good friends. And he was the one… He was thinking about Chinese medicine in college, of all things. And he said, “I don’t even know where to start.” And he wasn’t very internet savvy at the time. And so I jumped on the internet and found a website. I said, “Well, there’s this school, the Alberta College of Acupuncture and Traditional Chinese Medicine in Calgary. This is the only place that’s here.” So he started going to school there. And it wasn’t until he was in 3rd year. And I wasn’t really too sure what I wanted to do with my life.
And he was the one that kind of put it back on me. And he said, “You have to go talk to the dean at my college.” And I went and talked to the dean (excuse me)..and that’s kind of where that happened. I had also had a skateboard injury. I grew up skateboarding and listening to punk-rock, and hip-hop in Calgary. And I hurt my foot really, really badly on sliding off a curb, and I went to the usuals. You know, I went to the medical doctor. I tried copious amounts of physio. Nothing was happening. Then we rewind the clock again. So Dave was not in third year. He was in first year. He says, “You have to go see a 3rd-year acupuncturist. It’s only $20.” I said, “I could afford that.”
I went in there for two sessions. They put like two or three needles in the ball of my foot, and I’ve never had any pain in my foot since. So you kind of put all this up in the air into the mix. And that’s how I got into Chinese medicine. And that was the dean of the college. I was completely blown away. I thought, “Wow, this has helped my foot pain. I can help everybody else’s foot pain.” And I learned very quickly that Chinese medicine was a complete medical system. And I could treat anything from sleep, to digestion, to fertility, to mood. It is a phenomenal system. So yes, so that’s kind of my story and on how I got into all this stuff.
Janelle: Oh, wow, that’s amazing. And so you enrolled the next year?
Kenton: Yes, so we kinda got…
Janelle: Or did it take you time?
Kenton: No, I enrolled immediately. And so I talked to the dean. And that fall I was in there. I was just super passionate about the programs and it became…it came a little easier to me. And later on, I wondered why? And I figure it’s due to the fact that I spent so much time training Chinese kung fu. I would go hang out in Chinatown. I’d read Taoist and Buddhist texts. And I think that’s had a huge impact on my life.
Janelle: Right, because they’re all integrated to some extent. And the philosophies really work well together of martial arts and alternative medicine.
Kenton: For sure.
Janelle: How did that education shape your view about martial arts? Did it impact your training at all?
Kenton: It did in the sense that I learned that not only could I hurt somebody, I could also heal. So, a big part of the martial arts is self-defense, putting somebody down, getting control of them. And the Chinese medicine is the other side of that coin. It’s the helping, healing member of your community, all those sorts of things. So, they definitely compliment each other. I didn’t have the opportunity to learn. You know, what’s really cool is that I’ve met lots of people that have partook in kung fu classes.
And their instructors taught them some form of healing. Oh, well, you hit your partner. They’re a little sore. They ask the partner to come over they do a little [inaudible 00:06:02]. They do a little bit of, you know, acupressure, that sort of thing. And that was maybe part of their martial arts education. I didn’t get to have that. So the other side of it was that I went to Chinese medicine college. I got to have it from that side. So, you’ve got the hurting and the healing, if you will. So, they really compliment. The yin and the yang, they complement each other.
Janelle: Yes, definitely. So tell us what are some of the most fascinating things that you find with Chinese medicine?
Kenton: That’s a great question. The most fascinating things about Chinese medicine? That the body has an innate ability to heal itself, and all that I think that I’m doing is just kind of reminding it and coaxing it back to health. We don’t really force anything to happen. I can’t force a patient to have their menstrual cycle return. But, I can maybe build up enough blood stores so that their body can facilitate that. We often hurt ourselves really, really fast. But, it takes time to heal. Chinese medicine has taught me patience, perseverance, one foot in front of the next. And, martial arts has done that, too, on martial arts practice.
So, the other thing that’s totally amazing about Chinese medicine is the things that it can help. I often tell my patients if you are a tree, because in Chinese medicine you are not different from nature. You’re a part of nature. When the pressure changes outside, and all of a sudden it goes from plus 10 to minus 10 Celsius in a matter of hours, people get headaches. And, so, we are totally affected by the seasons, by what’s happening and going on outside. So, we often relate human beings to being a tree. If your branch is broken or on fire, you need to go to the hospital because Western medicine is phenomenal at treating that kind of life or death or very serious concerns. But, if you have a slow growing fungus on your tree, there’s not a very good chance that Western medicine is going to take care of it. It’s just not built for that sort of thing.
So, I absolutely love how Chinese medicine really fills in the gaps and complements Western medicine in these situations. So, that’s what I really, really love about Chinese medicine. And what’s amazing for me is no two days are the same. No two hours are the same. A new patient is coming in. They might have headache just like somebody I saw last week. But, we have a saying in Chinese medicine. Same disease, different treatment. Different disease, same treatment. Now, what this means is, we’re diagnosing according to the branch and the root, again using a tree metaphor. So, I’m zooming out and looking at a patient as a whole person. Western medicine is phenomenal because it zooms in as far as it can go. And, it fixes very small parts. It doesn’t look at the whole system. And that’s okay. But, Chinese medicine zooms out. And it says, “Well, these three branches of the tree are actually related to the same root cause.” So, that’s why we have that saying.
So, if I have a patient that has headache again, and I can line up five people that have headache, well, three of them might have the same mechanism root cause. And, two other ones have two different causes. So, I have to approach them from a totally different angle from a Chinese medicine point of view. However, if I had somebody who has a headache, I have somebody else who has pain from menstruation, I have somebody who is very irritable and they’re having lots of irritability symptoms, I can line all those three people up, and I can treat them the exact same way. So, Chinese medicine has caused me to do what I call like the “zoom out” on. So, I zoom out on my life. I zoom out on relationships. I zoom out on situations. It allows me to see the bigger picture. So, that’s definitely how it’s influenced my life and what I love about it.
Janelle: I love thinking of it like that. And it is true because Chinese medicine is addressing the whole body and the whole person and looking at all the factors that could be influencing their pain and whatever affliction they have at the time. And I…you know, it’s interesting and good to hear you talk about how it compliments Western medicine, as well, and that it can work together and each play a role in person’s health.
Kenton: Definitely, I think one thing that doesn’t serve us as Chinese medicine practitioners is to poo-poo anything really. I’ve had a couple of hernia operations. Western medicine has, you know, kind of, if you will, saved my life, so to speak, or made my life a lot better. And Chinese medicine has made my life a lot better. So I think that I think they need… you know, I think we just all need to get along. And, we need to know what our strengths are and what our weaknesses are. And, then we can help each other out.
Janelle: Yeah. What are some of the cases that you’ve had that have been interesting and fascinating for you to try and heal? And what was your approach in trying to help those people?
Kenton: My approach to help anybody is to try and put myself in their shoes. What I try to do is think about, if I was this patient with my knowledge and experience, what acupuncture points would I perform on myself? What herbs would I prescribe for myself? Would I prescribe myself a movement therapy, whether it’s qi gong or tai chi? Would I eat certain foods?
So that plays a huge part in my practice, and I’m very passionate and almost aggressive, if you will. I really like to get in there and do things, especially when I’m training martial arts and that sort of thing. So, that approach is what I take in my clinic. So, what I’m saying is when I put myself in my patient’s shoes being the impatient, passionate, aggressive wanna get stuff done guy that I am, I’m always thinking about, “I want my patient better yesterday.” And, so, that’s a huge thing for me.
One of the most… there’s been two cases over the last 11 years that have been the most gratifying, if you will. One gentleman, he was over 80 years old, and he had had four back to back strokes. And he went from driving his car to when he walked in my clinic, he was using a walker. And, I was probably in my second year of practice and feeling still pretty green in both things. And he said, “Can you help me?” And I said, “I have no idea. But let’s try.” And, I’m the let’s try guy. I’m not the used car salesman type. You don’t come to see me three times a week for the rest of your life. I’m not gonna try and sell you something. If you’ve got something serious, let’s try three. four, five treatments, whatever your time and your financial ability you can stand. He came in for no [inaudible 00:13:30] like four acupuncture treatments. And he was driving his car again.
Janelle: I love that.
Kenton: He got his license back. So that was, like, completely mind-blowing. And you know, I often tell my patients this. and I tell upcoming practitioners this. When we’re trying to communicate to our patients how long it’s gonna take for them to heal, oftentimes we don’t know. We have good ballpark figures. So, you know, most conditions once a week for 8 to 10 weeks. Menstrual conditions, once a week for 12 weeks. So, that ends up being, like, three cycles, if you will. You know, skin conditions, hair growth, alopecia in women, you know, can take up to 30 weeks of treatments.
And we have to like almost like build blood from the base. And, that’s really difficult to do with just acupuncture alone. Herbs help a lot. So here I had a patient, four strokes, four treatments, back driving his car. I remember having a patient in student clinic, tennis elbow of all things. She was a draftsperson at nine acupuncture treatments. And, then, she’s just started to get results. So you know, where the logic in that is I have no idea, but, again, influencing the body to heal.
Another really, really cool story was I knew a gentleman that also practiced martial arts. But, I didn’t know his background. Him and his wife had been trying to get pregnant for years, and they had two failed IVF’s that they paid obviously out of pocket for thousands and thousands of dollars. And, they were even looking at adoption. Like I said, I’m adopted, and adoption has changed so much over the last, you know, 30, 40 years. And, I remember him lamenting to me that there almost were treating him like a criminal.
And, he almost just wanted to give up because the adoption process was so caustic, and costly rather. And, I just said to him, I said “Do you know what I do for a living?” “Yes,” and I said, “Why don’t you try. I think, like, let’s just try it.” So I said, “The best is when we don’t blame everything on the woman.” So, I treat a lot of fertility concerns. But, if all of a sudden only the woman’s coming, I said, “No if you want top results, both parties involved should come.” Two acupuncture treatments, each: twins.
Janelle: Oh, my goodness.
Kenton: So…
Janelle: That gave me the chills.
Kenton: These things just completely blow me away. So those are, you know, the gentleman with the stroke, the couple who had two failed IVF’s and were unable to get pregnant, and it was, you know, two acupuncture treatments later. You know, those are great victories in my practice. And, at the same time patients have come in for tennis elbow, nine treatments, back pain… can’t fix it. And, they’ll find out… oftentimes, when I can’t fix something, however, I find out that it’s broken, if that makes sense. It’s not a functional problem. A lot of times we have somebody who comes in with knee pain. But, you find out that they’ve completely torn their tendon or you find out that somebody has broken their back. You know, those are quite serious. And that’s when again you go see your Western medical professional because that’s their specialty, but yeah. So, I’ve had my victories and I’ve had my losses in clinic, for sure.
Janelle: Yeah. I love those stories. That is really amazing. And I can’t believe the changes, you know, that occurred in those people’s lives from the acupuncture treatments. That’s really cool. So, let’s see. I wanna talk to you a little bit more about who you are and what makes you tick, Kenton.
Kenton: For sure.
Janelle: Tell me a little bit about your mindset and philosophy in life.
Kenton: I have a never say die attitude. And, in business, in life, I kind of have a mantra that I can repeat over and over. It’s whoever lasts the longest, wins, because one of the elephants in the room that I talk about on, you know, on Instagram, on podcast and all these things is that the elephant in the room is that when the Chinese medicine graduate passes their provincial or state examination, they are officially a small business owner. They’re officially an entrepreneur. And this is extremely disconcerting for lots of people. And, I’ve torn down and built practices a few times in my career so far, and I have really learned that if I can just have a stubborn, stick-it-outedness, I will survive. I will win. I will be able to influence my community with health and healing. And, I’ll be able to feed my family.
This mindset took a lot of time, and it took a lot of other people’s involvement in me, mentorship in me. There’s no way that I just kind of woke up one day and said, “Oh, I’m the never say die, guy.” Like, no. It took a lot of personal and self-growth to kinda get to the point where now when I make a decision, it’s just as fast as a light switch. And, I have to be very cognizant of the amount of personal growth that I’ve had because if a patient comes to me and says, “I wanna quit smoking,” my quick flippant response is, “Well, quit smoking already because if you said you want…” And they say, “Well, it’s addictive, and my friends smoke, and my partner smokes, and I like smoking on break.”
I said, “But, wait a minute, you just told me you wanted to quit smoking. So why don’t you just quit smoking?” And, I know it’s more complex. And, being you know, a Chinese medicine practitioner and a healer, I know it’s more complex than that. But due to mindset training, if you will, I almost… I have to… I’m always trying to figure out how I can get my patient to do what I do and do what other people do, and that’s make quick decisions. So, that’s kind of my mindset and like I said it… I think we’re all on a journey, and I think that it takes time. If you want something, keep at it. It’s worth it.
I have absolutely no problem telling people that it took me about a year and a half to two years to get really, really good at acupuncture, like, out of school. Like I…but that was due to the amount of mentorship that I had. But, it took me over 20 years to get good at martial arts, kung fu. And that was due to the lack of mentorship until I got to about year 20, and I met a gentleman by the name of Suki Gosal out of DC (originally from the U.K). And, he was a huge influence on mindset training. He was a big believer in mindset first, conditioning second, and then skill sets third, in that order.
Janelle: Can you repeat his name for our listeners?
Kenton: Yeah. Suki Gosl S-U-K-I and then G-O-S-A-L.
Janell: Okay.
Kenton: And, just a phenomenal martial artist. If you Google his name, you’ll come up with…I’ve interviewed him for, you know, martial arts magazines. He was instrumental in my martial arts career, and he put me kind of on a path to reaching out, if you will, and looking for mentors from afar, I would call it. So, while, you know, we would send e-mails, they wouldn’t be e-mails. They’d be novels. And then MSN Messenger was a big thing and then texting, of course, and FaceTime and all this sort of thing. So. he spent countless hours over an eight-year plus period with me mentoring me, helping me. But, that kind of influenced my ability.
You know, I did a lot of research on a gentleman by the name of Geoff Thompson, who is a top U.K. martial artist, and that led me to Al Peaseman [SP], the top U.K. martial artist. And, these gentlemen were really, really big on mindset. Of course, that kind of led me to people like Eric Thomas. Also, he was known as the hip-hop preacher. And, I watched his journey in the early days of, you know, quitting his job and going on YouTube and creating inspirational and motivational videos. And now he’s got contracts with the NBA and the NFL, and he goes in and he does motivation. He doesn’t really call himself a motivational speaker, but that’s the best way to describe him, and his mindset affected me.
And then, of course, there’s people like Gary Vaynerchuk, who is a big proponent of “Consume my stuff. But eventually, you’re gonna have to stop consuming my stuff and you gonna have to go do what I do.” I follow him on Instagram. Syatt Fitness, who is Gary Vaynerchuk’s personal fitness trainer, he’s a hoot to watch on Instagram. But, again, he’s got a similar message like, “Don’t watch what I do. Do what I do.” So yes, so when it comes to the mindset, I’m always looking at the winners, the people who are affecting change. I’m a huge Tony Robbins fan. I think that, you know… His stuff led me into like researching an NLP (neuro-linguistic programming).
I think anybody who’s been a martial artist for a long period of time, you know, does these things and starts to branch out because initially, you think that… at least I thought, and people are probably along the same boat as me, but initially, I thought that by learning a kung fu skill, I would be good at kung fu. And, you kind of get into this… I got into this thing where I was thinking all the time, “If I just learned how to do this properly, if I just learned this new technique, or if I just learned this new approach, I’ll finally get good.”
And there is a part of that because if you learn crap martial arts, you can get into trouble, and you don’t function well when you’re against somebody who you’re pressure testing with. But, a huge part like [inaudible 00:24:13] said was just mindset. So, once I got my head right… and he knew that it would take me time to get my head right. So, what he told me to do initially was run hill sprints, skip rope, you know, push ups, sit ups, heavy bag, lift weights, do stuff. And, so that was the conditioning process.
Remember, like, mindset, then conditioning, then skill set, in that order. But, when we approach things, we approach it generally in reverse. First, we get the skill set and then through training the skill set, then you get your conditioning. And then those combined over a long period of time and hopefully in situations that are healthy for you, that builds your mindset. So, it’s kind of a funny way of going about things. We kind of go about it in reverse. And, maybe we should go about it the other way. And, maybe we should have everybody in all types of fields and their mindset first.
Janelle: Yeah. And that isn’t easy to learn. Like, you said it took you a lot of…
Kenton: It takes time.
Janelle: Yeah, it took time and mentorship. Do you feel like, you know, one of your other hats that you wear is being a therapist because…
Kenton: Right.
Janelle: Yeah, you’re trying to explain you know, how your patients’ mindsets can affect their overall health.
Kenton: Right, and one big things that I do in clinic… I’ll never forget, kind of a light bulb moment went off for me. I was teaching for a Chinese medicine college, and I had one of my students who is actually a physiotherapist who was going back to learn Chinese medicine, which was a phenomenal idea. And, she said to me when we got out of… she watched me perform acupuncture on a patient coming into the student clinic, and I was helping the students learn how to do acupuncture in the clinic.
And she said to me, “Have you ever noticed the language that you use in the clinic room?” I said, “What do you mean?” She says, “You say, ‘Perfect. Great job. You’re doing a phenomenal job. This is what this acupuncture was.'” She said the language that you use is always positive, uplifting. You’re always complimenting the patient on how they’re putting up with you, putting stainless steel inside their body, etc. And, that was kind of a light bulb moment for me when I realized “Wow, in a therapeutic exchange there is so much going on.” We know that when we go see any type of medical practitioner, Eastern, Western, whatever, if they don’t have good bedside manner, as we kind of call it here in the West, then we’re not really gonna get along with them.
And we kind of poke fun at the specialists or, you know, the anesthesiologist who has a bedside manner of a door. But, these things really, really matter. So, when you talk about what happens in clinic, I’ve really put a lot of effort into, after that light bulb moment went off of me, I have put a lot of effort into the language that I use, the body language that I use. And, how I do this is I point a finger back at myself and I say, “How do I feel my patient wants to view me? Do they want the Kenton that just got cut off by three people on the way to work and, you know, had a fight with you know, his best friend? Do they want that Kenton? No, they don’t want that Kenton. They want the Kenton that is going to uplift them, exact change. And we have to match those.
And if I have a patient that came in that just put down their golden retriever, I’m not happy, bubbly Kenton. But, I’m compassionate. But, I may be one notch above them, instead of five notches above them, because I still want them to benefit from that therapeutic exchange. I have absolutely no problem with placebo. I think that saying that placebo is a dirty word is wrong. When I walk in, again, to a medical office and see a medical doctor, if they’re meek and shy and they think, they say, “I think we should do this…” What do you mean you think?”
Janelle: Yeah, exactly.
Kenton: It kind of puts me off. So, the therapeutic exchange used in the clinic is important, and there’s a dance there happening, for sure.
Janelle: Yeah. Definitely, you don’t wanna go to a practitioner who is not sure what they’re doing to treat you. I’ve been in that situation. It’s not very fun and it’s not comfortable. And then you don’t trust the therapy.
Kenton: Yes.
Janelle: And, I think that, in itself, will, can affect whether you heal or not, if you don’t believe in what is happening for you.
Kenton: Yeah, I mean, it all plays a part. I tell my patients all the time, “If it’s you versus me, you win. If it’s you versus my herbs, you win.” So there has been a handful, five patients in my career, let’s say, where I’ve actually you know, let them go or, “Do you really wanna get better? Is this pattern of emotional disharmony, if you will, is that pattern serving you?” Yes, it is serving me.” “Okay, well, when you decide that it’s no longer serving you, you come back and see me.”
I can take the biggest skeptic off the street and make them a believer. The trick is, if you will, with any therapy… and, just like you said, they’ve got to want to get better. “Do you wanna get better?” There are people… and, I don’t fault them, because of whatever happened in their childhood or their life situation or whatever, they might be stuck in a pattern that is serving them. But, when they decide that that is no longer serving them and that their patterns are actually damaging to their health or their life situation, that’s when I think that anything and everything can really benefit them.
Janelle: Yeah, yeah, that’s so true. So Kenton, when you are talking to your patients, what are some of the advice that you give them for daily practices of health? And what do you do yourself to stay healthy?
Kenton: Yes, that is kind of a two-parter. I’ll talk about my patients first. One thing I try to not do is proselytize anything to my patients. I try to have a very organic conversation with my patients. We talk about compliance a lot in Chinese medicine and Western medicine. “Oh, are your patients compliant? Are they taking their pharmaceuticals? Are they taking their herbs? Are they eating what you told them to eat and not eating what you told them to stay away from,” and all these sorts of things. I think having those conversations with our patients takes time. And, it takes rapport.
So, I would absolutely love nothing more than my patients to switch out their diet for eating what I call real food, to adopt a movement practice, to belly- breathe. I have my own personal acronym that I share with my patients. And it’s called…and when I teach qi gong or tai chi or even kung fu, it’s called BPM. And, it’s breathing, posture, movement. And, I really believe that if we have a breathing practice where we have… we can control our abdomen and we can do diaphragmatic breathing, I think that’s extremely beneficial.
Posture. Adopting a very good posture, head up high, shoulder blades back and down, butt tight, which neutralizes the lower spine, soft knees. And keeping this alignment that is taught through Chinese martial arts when we pull our lawn mower, when we pull our snowblower, when we lift groceries out of the car, I think this would help a lot. Squatting to pick up a pen that you dropped instead of bending over at the waist, this is important. I think learning how to lift weights is extremely helpful. When you learn how to squat and dead-lift, when you learn how to do a pull-up or chin-ups, these body mechanics are present in through daily life. And, then, last but not least, movements. And, I kind of talked about that already, but having some sort of movement practice.
So I would absolutely love to just hit my patients with everything. You need breathing, posture, movement, and a clean diet. But, I can’t because exercise and diet especially are emotionally-charged topics. So, what I have to do or what I try to do in clinic is I just start to develop a rapport with them, but exacting change through acupuncture and Chinese medicine therapies that hopefully builds rapport. And then it opens the floodgate to having this dialogue where somebody says, “Well, why do you think I have so much phlegm?” Well, looking at your tongue and your polyps and all these other symptoms, do you consume any dairy products? “Yes, I consume lots of dairy products. I have dairy products seven times a day.” Okay, so do me a huge favor. Let’s just try no dairy products for six weeks. “Okay.” And, so, sometimes I get some compliance because they just wanna get better, darn it. And they’ll try anything.
And sometimes I’m met with, you know, an obstacle “Well, but you’re not gonna make me give up cheese. I love cheese.” But, that at least we start the dialogue, you know, and magical things happen when that…when a patient starts walking a certain path. And, patients have shocked the heck out of me by telling me, you know, three or four treatments in, “Hey, guess what? I stopped eating dairy. I have no more post-nasal drip, and I found a yoga studio that is convenient for me, and it’s on the way home from work, and I’m absolutely loving it.” Wow, I’m totally floored.
So, that’s, kind of, to answer your question. So, I do have these dialogues with my patients when I have built rapport. And, I am very careful to tippy-toe around these conversations because the minute you tell somebody that they can’t eat something or that they have to exercise, we view it almost as I guess shaming. And, I am extremely careful. I think that everybody is just perfect and beautiful in their own way. That’s the yin. And then the yang is, improve yourself, darn it! So, you know, I play that card with myself too. I say I’m great the way I am on one side of the coin on the inside. And, then on the yang side is I still have lots of room for improvement. So, I see that with my patients. And I’m always trying to do a little bit of a dance to not offend them while stoking a little bit of a fire, while trying to be a catalyst for change, as Bruce Lee would have said.
My own personal practices include breathing, posture, movement and a lot of self-acupuncture. We have a saying in Chinese medicine, it’s probably present in lots of other medicine or practices is, “He who treats themselves has a fool for a patient.” And, that’s something that I was taught in Chinese medicine college. And, it’s something that I think is wrong. As a health professional, how am I to know what works on my patient, if I don’t even know if it’s gonna work on myself, so to speak? So, I think it’s important for me to practice on myself. And the older I get, the better I get at Chinese medicine because eventually, you become, I don’t know, 32 years old, and you get shingles for the first time. And, because you have a totally stressful episode in your life and you get shingles for the first time, well, I know how to treat this with Chinese medicine.
But, maybe I’ve never treated in the clinic before this or the other things you treat yourself, and one of the best things that happened to me is I worked in a multi-disciplinary clinic for almost 10 years. So, I got to work alongside naturopathic doctors and massage therapist and physiotherapist and doctor of chiropractic. And, you really learn how to, kind of, heal yourself. So, a big part of my health routine is to give myself acupuncture anywhere from two to three times a week, and this would just look like me sitting down watching Netflix and putting a few needles in me to, you know, just to relax muscle tension, to help digestive motility, those sorts of things.
I train martial arts, and I move my body a lot, and, you know, you’re not gonna find me downtown at the club getting into a fight, getting drunk, all these kind of things. I’m in a, you know, totally different zone in my life now. You’re either gonna find me out doing martial arts, you’re going to find me at work, or you’re going to find me at home. I don’t drink. I don’t smoke. I don’t do drugs. I don’t gamble, I don’t do anything that I feel would affect my martial arts practice. My martial arts practice is like huge for me. And, when somebody calls me up and they say, “Hey, you wanna train Sunday morning at 8 am,” I can say, “Yes, I can,” because I’m not gonna be hung over. And, so martial arts has become a movement practice for me now in the latest, in the kind of middle-age stage of my life. I just recently took up hip-hop dancing for the first time.
Janelle: That’s so cool.
Kenton: I’ve never danced a day in my life. Of course, when you know, six years old and you go to a wedding and your mom is like, “Oh, you’re such a good dancer,” that’s your mom saying you’re a good dancer. You don’t know if you’re a good dancer or not. But, I took up hip-hop dancing, and that has been phenomenal for my Chinese kung fu practice, my Brazilian jiu-jitsu practice. It is making, you know, we have this beautiful shell that we’ve been given for an undetermined about of time. We should figure out what we can do with it.
Can I pick heavy stuff up with it? Can I pick my body up with it? Can I dance with it? Can I punch and kick and grapple with it? What can I do with my human body? So, yeah, so the movement, eating real food and, you know, giving myself lots of self-acupuncture and taking the old Chinese herbs when I know exactly the pattern that’s going on in myself. I don’t mess around too much. Those are ways that I keep myself healthy.
Janelle: How much did your training involve Chinese herbal medicine when you went to the acupuncture school? I assume it goes for a lot of it.
Kenton: Yeah, there was a huge amount. When you go to Chinese medicine college, you learn single herbs. Then you learn how to pair herbs. Then you learn what’s known as Chinese patterns. So, those are little black balls you get down in Chinatown. And, then you learn formulas. So, there’s a huge amount of Chinese herbs. I’ve used the Plum Dragon products. I absolutely love them.
The first thing I noticed when I opened the package of the Dit Da Jow… I wrote this on my Instagram and I said, “You know, I’m not getting paid for this. Like, I don’t want anybody think like I’m endorsed by this or something like that.” But like, I really wanted to try the products. I’m a huge fan of Chinese medicine in general and old practices. You know, Dit Da Jow has been around forever. And it’s always been a huge part of health and healing, especially in a martial artist’s life. And the first thing I noticed when I opened the Dit Da Jow was the smell. It smelled like Dit Da Jow. It didn’t smell like camphor or menthol in some, you know, kind of our usual rub, a 535 stuff.
It smelled like, you know, Chinese rice wine and herbs that have been sitting in a vat and fermented. You know, really potent stuff. And, it just brought me back, you know, to… I don’t know. It just brought me back to like old Kung Fu days. Especially, you know… so, that was the first thing I noticed. I apply it to… we do a lot of punching in Wing Chun kung fu and non-classical kung fu who was… Bruce Lee’s first student was Jesse Glover. And, Jesse Glover taught Suki Gosal. And, he taught me some Wing Chun’s stuff, but mostly the non-classical kung fu punching [inaudible 00:41:05]. So, there’s a lot of action happening with my knuckles. So, I apply the product before I punch, especially when I punched the focus mitts, and I apply after it, and my recovery time is a lot faster.
And that is a huge thing because if I’m gonna do a lot… Like I said, I’m probably training martial arts five to six times a week. I’m punching mitts. I’m punching mitts. I’m punching mitts. It’s really, really important. I’m lifting weights. Maybe I strain my knee, and I’ll put some Dit Da Jow on my knee after because I’m already putting it on my hands. So, it’s definitely helped my recovery time. That’s not something that’s in my head. I’ve been at martial arts for long enough to tell. You know, as a martial artist who wants to train and has to train, if you will, multiple times during the week, recovery is what it’s all about. So you know, not only do I have to get good sleep. I’ve got to stay hydrated. I’ve got to eat real food. I’ve got to watch comedies, stay positive mindset, all that kind of stuff. If I can get a little bit of an edge with something like a Dit Da Jow, I’m on it.
Janelle: Yeah. It’s so fascinating to me how, like you said at the beginning of our conversation, you know, your job is to heal people. But, you’re also in a form of art that hurts people and hurts yourself. And, so, your life revolves around pain basically.
Kenton: You know, I don’t know if I can jump in there. But, you know, what I think is really important is that and it’s something that I try to teach people that train with me or that maybe I have a long-standing rapport in the clinic with, is that pain is bad. There’s no question. If I have lots of weight on the bar and I squat and my knee screams at me, we’re done for the day. I have to figure out what I’ve done wrong. Did I not torque my legs over? Like, I’ve got to figure out what I did wrong. Discomfort is not a bad thing.
We have a saying in Chinese medicine that, “Ice is for dead people.” And, that is why I like herbs like that Dit Da Jow have in it are usually, they’re very hot. They promote blood circulation because they’re very hot. If I sprain my ankle the first thing that we’re gonna do is we’re gonna put ice on it. But, in Chinese medicine, we say “No, that’s not right.” And Dr. Mirkin back in 2015, I think, on his website… if you go to drmirkin.com, He’s the guy who created Rest, Ice, Compression, Elevation, the RICE acronym that got written into all of the physiotherapy and medical textbooks. He recanted his statement and said, “I am wrong.” So, it’s been in there since the ’70s. How are we gonna change that? But, what I’m trying to say, get to, is that Chinese Medicine says, “Ice is for dead people. Put heat on it.”
So we’re big proponents of heat. So, hot water bottle, Magic Bag, Moxa, which is the burning of mugwort to heat the area. If you…if the boss…if I sprained my ankle, and I’ve got swelling and heat and pain, and I have pain because I have heat and swelling, what’s gonna happen when I put heat on my ankle? It’s going to increase my body’s ability to heal. Mirkin said, “I’m wrong with the ice. It slows the body’s ability to heal.” I’m sore. Well, let’s put heat on it. Well, guess what’s gonna happen? The pain level’s gonna go up. The discomfort is gonna go up. We are a weak bunch of human beings, I tell you, Janelle. We wanna move away from discomfort. We should move away from pain. There’s no question.
But we want to move away from discomfort. But, where discomfort is, that’s where the magic happens. I would say where the discomfort is, that’s the gap. Don’t move towards pain. That’s bad. But discomfort? You wanna go get a doctorate? You wanna go get a Ph. D.? That’s gonna be uncomfortable. You wanna go get acupuncture done, and I’m gonna create deqi a little bit of an agent sensation? That’s gonna be a little uncomfortable. You want to get your black belt in a martial art? That’s gonna be uncomfortable. You want to raise a bunch of wrangly teenage kids into adulthood? That’s gonna be uncomfortable. But where the discomfort lies, that’s the magic. I really, really think so.
Janelle: You know, it’s interesting, you’re talking about the practice, the common practice to ice things. We actually have a blog post, “Why ice is not nice” that I wanna send you.
Kenton: Right on.
Janelle: Well, before we wrap up, was there anything that you wanted to share with our listeners or any anything that you felt like you had come prepared to talk about and haven’t talked about yet?
Kenton: I don’t think so. I don’t think so. We covered so many things. I almost warn people, if you’re gonna get me talking about Chinese medicine or Chinese martial arts, I’m gonna have a hard time shutting up. So, I think we’ve covered a lot of ground. At the end of the day, you know, I try to…I’m trying to be here to help. So, if anybody has any questions about Chinese medicine, Chinese martial arts, feel free to reach out. I use Instagram a ton on TCM, so Traditional Chinese Medicine. Tcmgraduatetv is my handle on Instagram. And, I have lots of people, I do, you know… I help the up-and-comers in the Chinese medicine field. This is kind of my goal.
I want people to feel more confident in the medicine that they went to school for. That’s a big shtick of mine. I feel like I was mentored so heavily in martial arts land and also in Chinese medicine land that… and, not in a pompous ass way, but I feel like I have this…I had this or maybe I have [inaudible 00:47:11] for advantage. And, I feel like people aren’t being mentored enough these days. I think that mentorship is an important thing in life, in business, in finance, in martial arts, in Chinese medicine. So, yes, so don’t be shy. Feel free to send me a DM or ask a question on one of my posts. And I will respond.
Janelle: Yeah, and I can vouch for that. And, being an avid reader of your Instagram posts, you know, I can also vouch for the fact that there’s no question that you won’t answer. Like, you’ve talked about, you know, whether it’s fertility issues or backaches or neck pain, you know, you’re able to help people with their questions and problems. And, you don’t avoid any topics, which I love. That’s great.
Kenton: No, I don’t, and when I teach, you know, for continuous education seminars or conferences and that sort of stuff, I really try to develop rapport quickly with the audience, because I want them to ask me about the pee and the poop and the fertility and the business side. And, let’s have honest conversations about everything, because I think that just helps with everybody’s growth.
Janelle: Yeah. Yes, raw honesty.
Kenton: Yes.
Janelle: That’s great.
Kenton: With compassion.
Janelle: That’s true. It’s so true. Well, thank you so much. I know we appreciate your raw honesty and being so real and sharing your thoughts with everyone that’s listening to this podcast and on your social media platforms and letting us take a peek into your life. And, that’s been fun for me, and I’m sure it’ll be fun for other people as they hopefully start to follow you and see what you’re all about and to learn from all that you can teach them about acupuncture and Chinese medicine and how you’ve grown with martial arts.
Kenton: Perfect. Well, thank you, for this opportunity. It’s super fun. I hope we get to chat again.
Janelle: And, thanks to all our listeners for joining us today. For more great stuff from Kenton Sefcik, be sure to visit us at PlumDragonHerbs.com. We will post show notes and ways to connect with Kenton. And, if you like the show, send us a comment on our YouTube channel. Until next time.
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Never Say Die: The Warrior Mindset of a TCM Practitioner
Plum Dragon Podcast Series, Episode 2: Kenton Sefcik, R. Ac.
The Warrior Mindset of a Traditional Chinese Medicine Practitioner
“I have really learned that if I can just have a stubborn ‘stick-it-out-ed-ness,’ I will survive, I will win.  I will be able to influence my community with health and healing, and I will be able to feed my family. This mindset took a lot of time, and it took a lot of other people’s involvement in me, mentorship in me.  There’s no way that I just kind of woke up one day and said, ‘Oh I am the never say die kind of guy.‘”
Welcome to the new Plum Dragon Herbs Podcast Series “Staying in the Game.” In this podcast series, we will have conversations on achieving greater health and fitness and natural ways to manage pain. In this, our second episode, we’re talking to Kenton Sefcik, a seasoned acupuncturist and TCM practitioner as well as martial artist, author, and mentor. Kenton is also the creator of TCM Graduate TV where he provides online education to up and coming acupuncturists and naturopathic doctors.
Kenton discusses how his ‘never say die’ attitude has served him well in life, and how developing this warrior mindset of mental toughness didn’t happen overnight and took a lot of time, effort, and mentorship.
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Show Notes:
0:42 Introduction to how Kenton got into acupuncture and martial arts
5:14 How acupuncture school impacted his martial arts training
6:38 Traditional Chinese Medicine principals: The body has an innate ability to heal itself
“The body has an innate ability to heal itself.  All that i think I am doing it is reminding it and coaxing it back to health. We don’t really force anything to happen.”
9:10 How Chinese medicine zooms out on the person to see the whole picture
11:24 Most gratifying experiences as an acupuncturist and TCM practitioner
17:28 “Never say die” attitude in life and his mantra: “Whoever lasts the longest wins.”
19:05 Being patient with people who struggle to have a positive mindset
24:23 Getting your mindset right takes time; what to do while developing mental toughness
29:00 Some patients aren’t ready for change; their fixed mindset is serving them somehow
30:40 Being patient and developing rapport with patients to help them adopt new healthy practices and mindsets
“I learned that not only could I hurt somebody, I could also heal….so a big part of martial arts is self-defense.  Putting somebody down. Getting control of them. And the Chinese medicine is the other side of that coin. It’s the helping healing member of your community…so they definitely compliment each other….so you’ve got the hurting and the healing, if you will.  They really compliment each other. The yin and the yang.”
31:42 Teaching the importance of  “BPM” (breathing, posture, movement)
35:30 Using acupuncture and practicing BPM on himself
39:20 The role of Chinese herbs in his practice and his experience with Plum Dragon products
40:00 Dit Da Jow has been around forever and has played a huge role in martial arts training
42:50 Pain is bad but discomfort is good
43:40 Why the RICE method (Rest, Ice, Compression, Elevation) doesn’t work
46:30 How to get in contact with Kenton and not be afraid to approach him on any health topic
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Janelle: You’re listening to “Staying In The Game,” a Plum Dragon Herbs Podcast, where we have conversations on achieving greater health and fitness and natural ways to manage pain. I’m your host, Janelle Leatherwood. Joining us today is Kenton Sefcik, a seasoned acupuncturist and martial artist, author, and mentor. He is also the creator of TCM Graduate TV, where he provides online education to up and coming acupuncturists and naturopathic doctors. We’re thrilled that he can join us today. Kenton, welcome to our podcast. We’re so glad to have you here with us today.
Kenton: Thank you.
Janelle: And I would love to have you introduce yourself to our guests.
Kenton: I’ll do my best. So my name is Kenton Sefcik. I’m a registered acupuncturist and I’ve been practicing acupuncture and traditional Chinese medicine. I’m in my 11th year. I’m also a martial artist. I’ve been practicing traditional Chinese kung fu for 24 years.
Janelle: Wow, that’s amazing.
Kenton: So I got started…my usual story, how I kind of tell everybody how I got in all these things, many patients asked me, “So how did you get into acupuncture?” And I say, “Well, I have to back you up to when I was 14 years old.” When I was 14 years old I was living in my parent’s basement. And a commercial came on at about 2 am. And it was a white-haired guy beating up ninjas on a bridge.
Janelle: That’s great.
Kenton: So I woke up the next morning. And I said, “Mom, you have to take me to this kung fu school.” And she said, “No, way. You’ve quit soccer. You’ve quit piano. You don’t ice skate anymore. There’s no way that I’m taking you to a kung fu school.” But my mom’s a little bit of a softy for me. I’m adopted. I’m an only child. It only took me about an hour. I was joked at. I won her over pretty quickly. And you know, within a couple of days she talked to my dad and said, “Okay, fine. We’ll take you to this kung fu school.” And I’m so grateful that she did because, you know, here I am 24 years later. You can do the math on how old I am there. And I’m still practicing Chinese kung fu, martial arts. I’m obsessed with movement. Martial arts has been a great way for me to relate with the world of today.
And it was through martial arts that I made a very good friend by the name of David Rose, who practices in Calgary, Alberta Canada. And Dave and I became really good friends. And he was the one… He was thinking about Chinese medicine in college, of all things. And he said, “I don’t even know where to start.” And he wasn’t very internet savvy at the time. And so I jumped on the internet and found a website. I said, “Well, there’s this school, the Alberta College of Acupuncture and Traditional Chinese Medicine in Calgary. This is the only place that’s here.” So he started going to school there. And it wasn’t until he was in 3rd year. And I wasn’t really too sure what I wanted to do with my life.
And he was the one that kind of put it back on me. And he said, “You have to go talk to the dean at my college.” And I went and talked to the dean (excuse me)..and that’s kind of where that happened. I had also had a skateboard injury. I grew up skateboarding and listening to punk-rock, and hip-hop in Calgary. And I hurt my foot really, really badly on sliding off a curb, and I went to the usuals. You know, I went to the medical doctor. I tried copious amounts of physio. Nothing was happening. Then we rewind the clock again. So Dave was not in third year. He was in first year. He says, “You have to go see a 3rd-year acupuncturist. It’s only $20.” I said, “I could afford that.”
I went in there for two sessions. They put like two or three needles in the ball of my foot, and I’ve never had any pain in my foot since. So you kind of put all this up in the air into the mix. And that’s how I got into Chinese medicine. And that was the dean of the college. I was completely blown away. I thought, “Wow, this has helped my foot pain. I can help everybody else’s foot pain.” And I learned very quickly that Chinese medicine was a complete medical system. And I could treat anything from sleep, to digestion, to fertility, to mood. It is a phenomenal system. So yes, so that’s kind of my story and on how I got into all this stuff.
Janelle: Oh, wow, that’s amazing. And so you enrolled the next year?
Kenton: Yes, so we kinda got…
Janelle: Or did it take you time?
Kenton: No, I enrolled immediately. And so I talked to the dean. And that fall I was in there. I was just super passionate about the programs and it became…it came a little easier to me. And later on, I wondered why? And I figure it’s due to the fact that I spent so much time training Chinese kung fu. I would go hang out in Chinatown. I’d read Taoist and Buddhist texts. And I think that’s had a huge impact on my life.
Janelle: Right, because they’re all integrated to some extent. And the philosophies really work well together of martial arts and alternative medicine.
Kenton: For sure.
Janelle: How did that education shape your view about martial arts? Did it impact your training at all?
Kenton: It did in the sense that I learned that not only could I hurt somebody, I could also heal. So, a big part of the martial arts is self-defense, putting somebody down, getting control of them. And the Chinese medicine is the other side of that coin. It’s the helping, healing member of your community, all those sorts of things. So, they definitely compliment each other. I didn’t have the opportunity to learn. You know, what’s really cool is that I’ve met lots of people that have partook in kung fu classes.
And their instructors taught them some form of healing. Oh, well, you hit your partner. They’re a little sore. They ask the partner to come over they do a little [inaudible 00:06:02]. They do a little bit of, you know, acupressure, that sort of thing. And that was maybe part of their martial arts education. I didn’t get to have that. So the other side of it was that I went to Chinese medicine college. I got to have it from that side. So, you’ve got the hurting and the healing, if you will. So, they really compliment. The yin and the yang, they complement each other.
Janelle: Yes, definitely. So tell us what are some of the most fascinating things that you find with Chinese medicine?
Kenton: That’s a great question. The most fascinating things about Chinese medicine? That the body has an innate ability to heal itself, and all that I think that I’m doing is just kind of reminding it and coaxing it back to health. We don’t really force anything to happen. I can’t force a patient to have their menstrual cycle return. But, I can maybe build up enough blood stores so that their body can facilitate that. We often hurt ourselves really, really fast. But, it takes time to heal. Chinese medicine has taught me patience, perseverance, one foot in front of the next. And, martial arts has done that, too, on martial arts practice.
So, the other thing that’s totally amazing about Chinese medicine is the things that it can help. I often tell my patients if you are a tree, because in Chinese medicine you are not different from nature. You’re a part of nature. When the pressure changes outside, and all of a sudden it goes from plus 10 to minus 10 Celsius in a matter of hours, people get headaches. And, so, we are totally affected by the seasons, by what’s happening and going on outside. So, we often relate human beings to being a tree. If your branch is broken or on fire, you need to go to the hospital because Western medicine is phenomenal at treating that kind of life or death or very serious concerns. But, if you have a slow growing fungus on your tree, there’s not a very good chance that Western medicine is going to take care of it. It’s just not built for that sort of thing.
So, I absolutely love how Chinese medicine really fills in the gaps and complements Western medicine in these situations. So, that’s what I really, really love about Chinese medicine. And what’s amazing for me is no two days are the same. No two hours are the same. A new patient is coming in. They might have headache just like somebody I saw last week. But, we have a saying in Chinese medicine. Same disease, different treatment. Different disease, same treatment. Now, what this means is, we’re diagnosing according to the branch and the root, again using a tree metaphor. So, I’m zooming out and looking at a patient as a whole person. Western medicine is phenomenal because it zooms in as far as it can go. And, it fixes very small parts. It doesn’t look at the whole system. And that’s okay. But, Chinese medicine zooms out. And it says, “Well, these three branches of the tree are actually related to the same root cause.” So, that’s why we have that saying.
So, if I have a patient that has headache again, and I can line up five people that have headache, well, three of them might have the same mechanism root cause. And, two other ones have two different causes. So, I have to approach them from a totally different angle from a Chinese medicine point of view. However, if I had somebody who has a headache, I have somebody else who has pain from menstruation, I have somebody who is very irritable and they’re having lots of irritability symptoms, I can line all those three people up, and I can treat them the exact same way. So, Chinese medicine has caused me to do what I call like the “zoom out” on. So, I zoom out on my life. I zoom out on relationships. I zoom out on situations. It allows me to see the bigger picture. So, that’s definitely how it’s influenced my life and what I love about it.
Janelle: I love thinking of it like that. And it is true because Chinese medicine is addressing the whole body and the whole person and looking at all the factors that could be influencing their pain and whatever affliction they have at the time. And I…you know, it’s interesting and good to hear you talk about how it compliments Western medicine, as well, and that it can work together and each play a role in person’s health.
Kenton: Definitely, I think one thing that doesn’t serve us as Chinese medicine practitioners is to poo-poo anything really. I’ve had a couple of hernia operations. Western medicine has, you know, kind of, if you will, saved my life, so to speak, or made my life a lot better. And Chinese medicine has made my life a lot better. So I think that I think they need… you know, I think we just all need to get along. And, we need to know what our strengths are and what our weaknesses are. And, then we can help each other out.
Janelle: Yeah. What are some of the cases that you’ve had that have been interesting and fascinating for you to try and heal? And what was your approach in trying to help those people?
Kenton: My approach to help anybody is to try and put myself in their shoes. What I try to do is think about, if I was this patient with my knowledge and experience, what acupuncture points would I perform on myself? What herbs would I prescribe for myself? Would I prescribe myself a movement therapy, whether it’s qi gong or tai chi? Would I eat certain foods?
So that plays a huge part in my practice, and I’m very passionate and almost aggressive, if you will. I really like to get in there and do things, especially when I’m training martial arts and that sort of thing. So, that approach is what I take in my clinic. So, what I’m saying is when I put myself in my patient’s shoes being the impatient, passionate, aggressive wanna get stuff done guy that I am, I’m always thinking about, “I want my patient better yesterday.” And, so, that’s a huge thing for me.
One of the most… there’s been two cases over the last 11 years that have been the most gratifying, if you will. One gentleman, he was over 80 years old, and he had had four back to back strokes. And he went from driving his car to when he walked in my clinic, he was using a walker. And, I was probably in my second year of practice and feeling still pretty green in both things. And he said, “Can you help me?” And I said, “I have no idea. But let’s try.” And, I’m the let’s try guy. I’m not the used car salesman type. You don’t come to see me three times a week for the rest of your life. I’m not gonna try and sell you something. If you’ve got something serious, let’s try three. four, five treatments, whatever your time and your financial ability you can stand. He came in for no [inaudible 00:13:30] like four acupuncture treatments. And he was driving his car again.
Janelle: I love that.
Kenton: He got his license back. So that was, like, completely mind-blowing. And you know, I often tell my patients this. and I tell upcoming practitioners this. When we’re trying to communicate to our patients how long it’s gonna take for them to heal, oftentimes we don’t know. We have good ballpark figures. So, you know, most conditions once a week for 8 to 10 weeks. Menstrual conditions, once a week for 12 weeks. So, that ends up being, like, three cycles, if you will. You know, skin conditions, hair growth, alopecia in women, you know, can take up to 30 weeks of treatments.
And we have to like almost like build blood from the base. And, that’s really difficult to do with just acupuncture alone. Herbs help a lot. So here I had a patient, four strokes, four treatments, back driving his car. I remember having a patient in student clinic, tennis elbow of all things. She was a draftsperson at nine acupuncture treatments. And, then, she’s just started to get results. So you know, where the logic in that is I have no idea, but, again, influencing the body to heal.
Another really, really cool story was I knew a gentleman that also practiced martial arts. But, I didn’t know his background. Him and his wife had been trying to get pregnant for years, and they had two failed IVF’s that they paid obviously out of pocket for thousands and thousands of dollars. And, they were even looking at adoption. Like I said, I’m adopted, and adoption has changed so much over the last, you know, 30, 40 years. And, I remember him lamenting to me that there almost were treating him like a criminal.
And, he almost just wanted to give up because the adoption process was so caustic, and costly rather. And, I just said to him, I said “Do you know what I do for a living?” “Yes,” and I said, “Why don’t you try. I think, like, let’s just try it.” So I said, “The best is when we don’t blame everything on the woman.” So, I treat a lot of fertility concerns. But, if all of a sudden only the woman’s coming, I said, “No if you want top results, both parties involved should come.” Two acupuncture treatments, each: twins.
Janelle: Oh, my goodness.
Kenton: So…
Janelle: That gave me the chills.
Kenton: These things just completely blow me away. So those are, you know, the gentleman with the stroke, the couple who had two failed IVF’s and were unable to get pregnant, and it was, you know, two acupuncture treatments later. You know, those are great victories in my practice. And, at the same time patients have come in for tennis elbow, nine treatments, back pain… can’t fix it. And, they’ll find out… oftentimes, when I can’t fix something, however, I find out that it’s broken, if that makes sense. It’s not a functional problem. A lot of times we have somebody who comes in with knee pain. But, you find out that they’ve completely torn their tendon or you find out that somebody has broken their back. You know, those are quite serious. And that’s when again you go see your Western medical professional because that’s their specialty, but yeah. So, I’ve had my victories and I’ve had my losses in clinic, for sure.
Janelle: Yeah. I love those stories. That is really amazing. And I can’t believe the changes, you know, that occurred in those people’s lives from the acupuncture treatments. That’s really cool. So, let’s see. I wanna talk to you a little bit more about who you are and what makes you tick, Kenton.
Kenton: For sure.
Janelle: Tell me a little bit about your mindset and philosophy in life.
Kenton: I have a never say die attitude. And, in business, in life, I kind of have a mantra that I can repeat over and over. It’s whoever lasts the longest, wins, because one of the elephants in the room that I talk about on, you know, on Instagram, on podcast and all these things is that the elephant in the room is that when the Chinese medicine graduate passes their provincial or state examination, they are officially a small business owner. They’re officially an entrepreneur. And this is extremely disconcerting for lots of people. And, I’ve torn down and built practices a few times in my career so far, and I have really learned that if I can just have a stubborn, stick-it-outedness, I will survive. I will win. I will be able to influence my community with health and healing. And, I’ll be able to feed my family.
This mindset took a lot of time, and it took a lot of other people’s involvement in me, mentorship in me. There’s no way that I just kind of woke up one day and said, “Oh, I’m the never say die, guy.” Like, no. It took a lot of personal and self-growth to kinda get to the point where now when I make a decision, it’s just as fast as a light switch. And, I have to be very cognizant of the amount of personal growth that I’ve had because if a patient comes to me and says, “I wanna quit smoking,” my quick flippant response is, “Well, quit smoking already because if you said you want…” And they say, “Well, it’s addictive, and my friends smoke, and my partner smokes, and I like smoking on break.”
I said, “But, wait a minute, you just told me you wanted to quit smoking. So why don’t you just quit smoking?” And, I know it’s more complex. And, being you know, a Chinese medicine practitioner and a healer, I know it’s more complex than that. But due to mindset training, if you will, I almost… I have to… I’m always trying to figure out how I can get my patient to do what I do and do what other people do, and that’s make quick decisions. So, that’s kind of my mindset and like I said it… I think we’re all on a journey, and I think that it takes time. If you want something, keep at it. It’s worth it.
I have absolutely no problem telling people that it took me about a year and a half to two years to get really, really good at acupuncture, like, out of school. Like I…but that was due to the amount of mentorship that I had. But, it took me over 20 years to get good at martial arts, kung fu. And that was due to the lack of mentorship until I got to about year 20, and I met a gentleman by the name of Suki Gosal out of DC (originally from the U.K). And, he was a huge influence on mindset training. He was a big believer in mindset first, conditioning second, and then skill sets third, in that order.
Janelle: Can you repeat his name for our listeners?
Kenton: Yeah. Suki Gosl S-U-K-I and then G-O-S-A-L.
Janell: Okay.
Kenton: And, just a phenomenal martial artist. If you Google his name, you’ll come up with…I’ve interviewed him for, you know, martial arts magazines. He was instrumental in my martial arts career, and he put me kind of on a path to reaching out, if you will, and looking for mentors from afar, I would call it. So, while, you know, we would send e-mails, they wouldn’t be e-mails. They’d be novels. And then MSN Messenger was a big thing and then texting, of course, and FaceTime and all this sort of thing. So. he spent countless hours over an eight-year plus period with me mentoring me, helping me. But, that kind of influenced my ability.
You know, I did a lot of research on a gentleman by the name of Geoff Thompson, who is a top U.K. martial artist, and that led me to Al Peaseman [SP], the top U.K. martial artist. And, these gentlemen were really, really big on mindset. Of course, that kind of led me to people like Eric Thomas. Also, he was known as the hip-hop preacher. And, I watched his journey in the early days of, you know, quitting his job and going on YouTube and creating inspirational and motivational videos. And now he’s got contracts with the NBA and the NFL, and he goes in and he does motivation. He doesn’t really call himself a motivational speaker, but that’s the best way to describe him, and his mindset affected me.
And then, of course, there’s people like Gary Vaynerchuk, who is a big proponent of “Consume my stuff. But eventually, you’re gonna have to stop consuming my stuff and you gonna have to go do what I do.” I follow him on Instagram. Syatt Fitness, who is Gary Vaynerchuk’s personal fitness trainer, he’s a hoot to watch on Instagram. But, again, he’s got a similar message like, “Don’t watch what I do. Do what I do.” So yes, so when it comes to the mindset, I’m always looking at the winners, the people who are affecting change. I’m a huge Tony Robbins fan. I think that, you know… His stuff led me into like researching an NLP (neuro-linguistic programming).
I think anybody who’s been a martial artist for a long period of time, you know, does these things and starts to branch out because initially, you think that… at least I thought, and people are probably along the same boat as me, but initially, I thought that by learning a kung fu skill, I would be good at kung fu. And, you kind of get into this… I got into this thing where I was thinking all the time, “If I just learned how to do this properly, if I just learned this new technique, or if I just learned this new approach, I’ll finally get good.”
And there is a part of that because if you learn crap martial arts, you can get into trouble, and you don’t function well when you’re against somebody who you’re pressure testing with. But, a huge part like [inaudible 00:24:13] said was just mindset. So, once I got my head right… and he knew that it would take me time to get my head right. So, what he told me to do initially was run hill sprints, skip rope, you know, push ups, sit ups, heavy bag, lift weights, do stuff. And, so that was the conditioning process.
Remember, like, mindset, then conditioning, then skill set, in that order. But, when we approach things, we approach it generally in reverse. First, we get the skill set and then through training the skill set, then you get your conditioning. And then those combined over a long period of time and hopefully in situations that are healthy for you, that builds your mindset. So, it’s kind of a funny way of going about things. We kind of go about it in reverse. And, maybe we should go about it the other way. And, maybe we should have everybody in all types of fields and their mindset first.
Janelle: Yeah. And that isn’t easy to learn. Like, you said it took you a lot of…
Kenton: It takes time.
Janelle: Yeah, it took time and mentorship. Do you feel like, you know, one of your other hats that you wear is being a therapist because…
Kenton: Right.
Janelle: Yeah, you’re trying to explain you know, how your patients’ mindsets can affect their overall health.
Kenton: Right, and one big things that I do in clinic… I’ll never forget, kind of a light bulb moment went off for me. I was teaching for a Chinese medicine college, and I had one of my students who is actually a physiotherapist who was going back to learn Chinese medicine, which was a phenomenal idea. And, she said to me when we got out of… she watched me perform acupuncture on a patient coming into the student clinic, and I was helping the students learn how to do acupuncture in the clinic.
And she said to me, “Have you ever noticed the language that you use in the clinic room?” I said, “What do you mean?” She says, “You say, ‘Perfect. Great job. You’re doing a phenomenal job. This is what this acupuncture was.'” She said the language that you use is always positive, uplifting. You’re always complimenting the patient on how they’re putting up with you, putting stainless steel inside their body, etc. And, that was kind of a light bulb moment for me when I realized “Wow, in a therapeutic exchange there is so much going on.” We know that when we go see any type of medical practitioner, Eastern, Western, whatever, if they don’t have good bedside manner, as we kind of call it here in the West, then we’re not really gonna get along with them.
And we kind of poke fun at the specialists or, you know, the anesthesiologist who has a bedside manner of a door. But, these things really, really matter. So, when you talk about what happens in clinic, I’ve really put a lot of effort into, after that light bulb moment went off of me, I have put a lot of effort into the language that I use, the body language that I use. And, how I do this is I point a finger back at myself and I say, “How do I feel my patient wants to view me? Do they want the Kenton that just got cut off by three people on the way to work and, you know, had a fight with you know, his best friend? Do they want that Kenton? No, they don’t want that Kenton. They want the Kenton that is going to uplift them, exact change. And we have to match those.
And if I have a patient that came in that just put down their golden retriever, I’m not happy, bubbly Kenton. But, I’m compassionate. But, I may be one notch above them, instead of five notches above them, because I still want them to benefit from that therapeutic exchange. I have absolutely no problem with placebo. I think that saying that placebo is a dirty word is wrong. When I walk in, again, to a medical office and see a medical doctor, if they’re meek and shy and they think, they say, “I think we should do this…” What do you mean you think?”
Janelle: Yeah, exactly.
Kenton: It kind of puts me off. So, the therapeutic exchange used in the clinic is important, and there’s a dance there happening, for sure.
Janelle: Yeah. Definitely, you don’t wanna go to a practitioner who is not sure what they’re doing to treat you. I’ve been in that situation. It’s not very fun and it’s not comfortable. And then you don’t trust the therapy.
Kenton: Yes.
Janelle: And, I think that, in itself, will, can affect whether you heal or not, if you don’t believe in what is happening for you.
Kenton: Yeah, I mean, it all plays a part. I tell my patients all the time, “If it’s you versus me, you win. If it’s you versus my herbs, you win.” So there has been a handful, five patients in my career, let’s say, where I’ve actually you know, let them go or, “Do you really wanna get better? Is this pattern of emotional disharmony, if you will, is that pattern serving you?” Yes, it is serving me.” “Okay, well, when you decide that it’s no longer serving you, you come back and see me.”
I can take the biggest skeptic off the street and make them a believer. The trick is, if you will, with any therapy… and, just like you said, they’ve got to want to get better. “Do you wanna get better?” There are people… and, I don’t fault them, because of whatever happened in their childhood or their life situation or whatever, they might be stuck in a pattern that is serving them. But, when they decide that that is no longer serving them and that their patterns are actually damaging to their health or their life situation, that’s when I think that anything and everything can really benefit them.
Janelle: Yeah, yeah, that’s so true. So Kenton, when you are talking to your patients, what are some of the advice that you give them for daily practices of health? And what do you do yourself to stay healthy?
Kenton: Yes, that is kind of a two-parter. I’ll talk about my patients first. One thing I try to not do is proselytize anything to my patients. I try to have a very organic conversation with my patients. We talk about compliance a lot in Chinese medicine and Western medicine. “Oh, are your patients compliant? Are they taking their pharmaceuticals? Are they taking their herbs? Are they eating what you told them to eat and not eating what you told them to stay away from,” and all these sorts of things. I think having those conversations with our patients takes time. And, it takes rapport.
So, I would absolutely love nothing more than my patients to switch out their diet for eating what I call real food, to adopt a movement practice, to belly- breathe. I have my own personal acronym that I share with my patients. And it’s called…and when I teach qi gong or tai chi or even kung fu, it’s called BPM. And, it’s breathing, posture, movement. And, I really believe that if we have a breathing practice where we have… we can control our abdomen and we can do diaphragmatic breathing, I think that’s extremely beneficial.
Posture. Adopting a very good posture, head up high, shoulder blades back and down, butt tight, which neutralizes the lower spine, soft knees. And keeping this alignment that is taught through Chinese martial arts when we pull our lawn mower, when we pull our snowblower, when we lift groceries out of the car, I think this would help a lot. Squatting to pick up a pen that you dropped instead of bending over at the waist, this is important. I think learning how to lift weights is extremely helpful. When you learn how to squat and dead-lift, when you learn how to do a pull-up or chin-ups, these body mechanics are present in through daily life. And, then, last but not least, movements. And, I kind of talked about that already, but having some sort of movement practice.
So I would absolutely love to just hit my patients with everything. You need breathing, posture, movement, and a clean diet. But, I can’t because exercise and diet especially are emotionally-charged topics. So, what I have to do or what I try to do in clinic is I just start to develop a rapport with them, but exacting change through acupuncture and Chinese medicine therapies that hopefully builds rapport. And then it opens the floodgate to having this dialogue where somebody says, “Well, why do you think I have so much phlegm?” Well, looking at your tongue and your polyps and all these other symptoms, do you consume any dairy products? “Yes, I consume lots of dairy products. I have dairy products seven times a day.” Okay, so do me a huge favor. Let’s just try no dairy products for six weeks. “Okay.” And, so, sometimes I get some compliance because they just wanna get better, darn it. And they’ll try anything.
And sometimes I’m met with, you know, an obstacle “Well, but you’re not gonna make me give up cheese. I love cheese.” But, that at least we start the dialogue, you know, and magical things happen when that…when a patient starts walking a certain path. And, patients have shocked the heck out of me by telling me, you know, three or four treatments in, “Hey, guess what? I stopped eating dairy. I have no more post-nasal drip, and I found a yoga studio that is convenient for me, and it’s on the way home from work, and I’m absolutely loving it.” Wow, I’m totally floored.
So, that’s, kind of, to answer your question. So, I do have these dialogues with my patients when I have built rapport. And, I am very careful to tippy-toe around these conversations because the minute you tell somebody that they can’t eat something or that they have to exercise, we view it almost as I guess shaming. And, I am extremely careful. I think that everybody is just perfect and beautiful in their own way. That’s the yin. And then the yang is, improve yourself, darn it! So, you know, I play that card with myself too. I say I’m great the way I am on one side of the coin on the inside. And, then on the yang side is I still have lots of room for improvement. So, I see that with my patients. And I’m always trying to do a little bit of a dance to not offend them while stoking a little bit of a fire, while trying to be a catalyst for change, as Bruce Lee would have said.
My own personal practices include breathing, posture, movement and a lot of self-acupuncture. We have a saying in Chinese medicine, it’s probably present in lots of other medicine or practices is, “He who treats themselves has a fool for a patient.” And, that’s something that I was taught in Chinese medicine college. And, it’s something that I think is wrong. As a health professional, how am I to know what works on my patient, if I don’t even know if it’s gonna work on myself, so to speak? So, I think it’s important for me to practice on myself. And the older I get, the better I get at Chinese medicine because eventually, you become, I don’t know, 32 years old, and you get shingles for the first time. And, because you have a totally stressful episode in your life and you get shingles for the first time, well, I know how to treat this with Chinese medicine.
But, maybe I’ve never treated in the clinic before this or the other things you treat yourself, and one of the best things that happened to me is I worked in a multi-disciplinary clinic for almost 10 years. So, I got to work alongside naturopathic doctors and massage therapist and physiotherapist and doctor of chiropractic. And, you really learn how to, kind of, heal yourself. So, a big part of my health routine is to give myself acupuncture anywhere from two to three times a week, and this would just look like me sitting down watching Netflix and putting a few needles in me to, you know, just to relax muscle tension, to help digestive motility, those sorts of things.
I train martial arts, and I move my body a lot, and, you know, you’re not gonna find me downtown at the club getting into a fight, getting drunk, all these kind of things. I’m in a, you know, totally different zone in my life now. You’re either gonna find me out doing martial arts, you’re going to find me at work, or you’re going to find me at home. I don’t drink. I don’t smoke. I don’t do drugs. I don’t gamble, I don’t do anything that I feel would affect my martial arts practice. My martial arts practice is like huge for me. And, when somebody calls me up and they say, “Hey, you wanna train Sunday morning at 8 am,” I can say, “Yes, I can,” because I’m not gonna be hung over. And, so martial arts has become a movement practice for me now in the latest, in the kind of middle-age stage of my life. I just recently took up hip-hop dancing for the first time.
Janelle: That’s so cool.
Kenton: I’ve never danced a day in my life. Of course, when you know, six years old and you go to a wedding and your mom is like, “Oh, you’re such a good dancer,” that’s your mom saying you’re a good dancer. You don’t know if you’re a good dancer or not. But, I took up hip-hop dancing, and that has been phenomenal for my Chinese kung fu practice, my Brazilian jiu-jitsu practice. It is making, you know, we have this beautiful shell that we’ve been given for an undetermined about of time. We should figure out what we can do with it.
Can I pick heavy stuff up with it? Can I pick my body up with it? Can I dance with it? Can I punch and kick and grapple with it? What can I do with my human body? So, yeah, so the movement, eating real food and, you know, giving myself lots of self-acupuncture and taking the old Chinese herbs when I know exactly the pattern that’s going on in myself. I don’t mess around too much. Those are ways that I keep myself healthy.
Janelle: How much did your training involve Chinese herbal medicine when you went to the acupuncture school? I assume it goes for a lot of it.
Kenton: Yeah, there was a huge amount. When you go to Chinese medicine college, you learn single herbs. Then you learn how to pair herbs. Then you learn what’s known as Chinese patterns. So, those are little black balls you get down in Chinatown. And, then you learn formulas. So, there’s a huge amount of Chinese herbs. I’ve used the Plum Dragon products. I absolutely love them.
The first thing I noticed when I opened the package of the Dit Da Jow… I wrote this on my Instagram and I said, “You know, I’m not getting paid for this. Like, I don’t want anybody think like I’m endorsed by this or something like that.” But like, I really wanted to try the products. I’m a huge fan of Chinese medicine in general and old practices. You know, Dit Da Jow has been around forever. And it’s always been a huge part of health and healing, especially in a martial artist’s life. And the first thing I noticed when I opened the Dit Da Jow was the smell. It smelled like Dit Da Jow. It didn’t smell like camphor or menthol in some, you know, kind of our usual rub, a 535 stuff.
It smelled like, you know, Chinese rice wine and herbs that have been sitting in a vat and fermented. You know, really potent stuff. And, it just brought me back, you know, to… I don’t know. It just brought me back to like old Kung Fu days. Especially, you know… so, that was the first thing I noticed. I apply it to… we do a lot of punching in Wing Chun kung fu and non-classical kung fu who was… Bruce Lee’s first student was Jesse Glover. And, Jesse Glover taught Suki Gosal. And, he taught me some Wing Chun’s stuff, but mostly the non-classical kung fu punching [inaudible 00:41:05]. So, there’s a lot of action happening with my knuckles. So, I apply the product before I punch, especially when I punched the focus mitts, and I apply after it, and my recovery time is a lot faster.
And that is a huge thing because if I’m gonna do a lot… Like I said, I’m probably training martial arts five to six times a week. I’m punching mitts. I’m punching mitts. I’m punching mitts. It’s really, really important. I’m lifting weights. Maybe I strain my knee, and I’ll put some Dit Da Jow on my knee after because I’m already putting it on my hands. So, it’s definitely helped my recovery time. That’s not something that’s in my head. I’ve been at martial arts for long enough to tell. You know, as a martial artist who wants to train and has to train, if you will, multiple times during the week, recovery is what it’s all about. So you know, not only do I have to get good sleep. I’ve got to stay hydrated. I’ve got to eat real food. I’ve got to watch comedies, stay positive mindset, all that kind of stuff. If I can get a little bit of an edge with something like a Dit Da Jow, I’m on it.
Janelle: Yeah. It’s so fascinating to me how, like you said at the beginning of our conversation, you know, your job is to heal people. But, you’re also in a form of art that hurts people and hurts yourself. And, so, your life revolves around pain basically.
Kenton: You know, I don’t know if I can jump in there. But, you know, what I think is really important is that and it’s something that I try to teach people that train with me or that maybe I have a long-standing rapport in the clinic with, is that pain is bad. There’s no question. If I have lots of weight on the bar and I squat and my knee screams at me, we’re done for the day. I have to figure out what I’ve done wrong. Did I not torque my legs over? Like, I’ve got to figure out what I did wrong. Discomfort is not a bad thing.
We have a saying in Chinese medicine that, “Ice is for dead people.” And, that is why I like herbs like that Dit Da Jow have in it are usually, they’re very hot. They promote blood circulation because they’re very hot. If I sprain my ankle the first thing that we’re gonna do is we’re gonna put ice on it. But, in Chinese medicine, we say “No, that’s not right.” And Dr. Mirkin back in 2015, I think, on his website… if you go to drmirkin.com, He’s the guy who created Rest, Ice, Compression, Elevation, the RICE acronym that got written into all of the physiotherapy and medical textbooks. He recanted his statement and said, “I am wrong.” So, it’s been in there since the ’70s. How are we gonna change that? But, what I’m trying to say, get to, is that Chinese Medicine says, “Ice is for dead people. Put heat on it.”
So we’re big proponents of heat. So, hot water bottle, Magic Bag, Moxa, which is the burning of mugwort to heat the area. If you…if the boss…if I sprained my ankle, and I’ve got swelling and heat and pain, and I have pain because I have heat and swelling, what’s gonna happen when I put heat on my ankle? It’s going to increase my body’s ability to heal. Mirkin said, “I’m wrong with the ice. It slows the body’s ability to heal.” I’m sore. Well, let’s put heat on it. Well, guess what’s gonna happen? The pain level’s gonna go up. The discomfort is gonna go up. We are a weak bunch of human beings, I tell you, Janelle. We wanna move away from discomfort. We should move away from pain. There’s no question.
But we want to move away from discomfort. But, where discomfort is, that’s where the magic happens. I would say where the discomfort is, that’s the gap. Don’t move towards pain. That’s bad. But discomfort? You wanna go get a doctorate? You wanna go get a Ph. D.? That’s gonna be uncomfortable. You wanna go get acupuncture done, and I’m gonna create deqi a little bit of an agent sensation? That’s gonna be a little uncomfortable. You want to get your black belt in a martial art? That’s gonna be uncomfortable. You want to raise a bunch of wrangly teenage kids into adulthood? That’s gonna be uncomfortable. But where the discomfort lies, that’s the magic. I really, really think so.
Janelle: You know, it’s interesting, you’re talking about the practice, the common practice to ice things. We actually have a blog post, “Why ice is not nice” that I wanna send you.
Kenton: Right on.
Janelle: Well, before we wrap up, was there anything that you wanted to share with our listeners or any anything that you felt like you had come prepared to talk about and haven’t talked about yet?
Kenton: I don’t think so. I don’t think so. We covered so many things. I almost warn people, if you’re gonna get me talking about Chinese medicine or Chinese martial arts, I’m gonna have a hard time shutting up. So, I think we’ve covered a lot of ground. At the end of the day, you know, I try to…I’m trying to be here to help. So, if anybody has any questions about Chinese medicine, Chinese martial arts, feel free to reach out. I use Instagram a ton on TCM, so Traditional Chinese Medicine. Tcmgraduatetv is my handle on Instagram. And, I have lots of people, I do, you know… I help the up-and-comers in the Chinese medicine field. This is kind of my goal.
I want people to feel more confident in the medicine that they went to school for. That’s a big shtick of mine. I feel like I was mentored so heavily in martial arts land and also in Chinese medicine land that… and, not in a pompous ass way, but I feel like I have this…I had this or maybe I have [inaudible 00:47:11] for advantage. And, I feel like people aren’t being mentored enough these days. I think that mentorship is an important thing in life, in business, in finance, in martial arts, in Chinese medicine. So, yes, so don’t be shy. Feel free to send me a DM or ask a question on one of my posts. And I will respond.
Janelle: Yeah, and I can vouch for that. And, being an avid reader of your Instagram posts, you know, I can also vouch for the fact that there’s no question that you won’t answer. Like, you’ve talked about, you know, whether it’s fertility issues or backaches or neck pain, you know, you’re able to help people with their questions and problems. And, you don’t avoid any topics, which I love. That’s great.
Kenton: No, I don’t, and when I teach, you know, for continuous education seminars or conferences and that sort of stuff, I really try to develop rapport quickly with the audience, because I want them to ask me about the pee and the poop and the fertility and the business side. And, let’s have honest conversations about everything, because I think that just helps with everybody’s growth.
Janelle: Yeah. Yes, raw honesty.
Kenton: Yes.
Janelle: That’s great.
Kenton: With compassion.
Janelle: That’s true. It’s so true. Well, thank you so much. I know we appreciate your raw honesty and being so real and sharing your thoughts with everyone that’s listening to this podcast and on your social media platforms and letting us take a peek into your life. And, that’s been fun for me, and I’m sure it’ll be fun for other people as they hopefully start to follow you and see what you’re all about and to learn from all that you can teach them about acupuncture and Chinese medicine and how you’ve grown with martial arts.
Kenton: Perfect. Well, thank you, for this opportunity. It’s super fun. I hope we get to chat again.
Janelle: And, thanks to all our listeners for joining us today. For more great stuff from Kenton Sefcik, be sure to visit us at PlumDragonHerbs.com. We will post show notes and ways to connect with Kenton. And, if you like the show, send us a comment on our YouTube channel. Until next time.
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Never Say Die: The Warrior Mindset of a TCM Practitioner
Plum Dragon Podcast Series, Episode 2: Kenton Sefcik, R. Ac.
The Warrior Mindset of a Traditional Chinese Medicine Practitioner
“I have really learned that if I can just have a stubborn ‘stick-it-out-ed-ness,’ I will survive, I will win.  I will be able to influence my community with health and healing, and I will be able to feed my family. This mindset took a lot of time, and it took a lot of other people’s involvement in me, mentorship in me.  There’s no way that I just kind of woke up one day and said, ‘Oh I am the never say die kind of guy.'”
Welcome to the new Plum Dragon Herbs Podcast Series “Staying in the Game.” In this podcast series, we will have conversations on achieving greater health and fitness and natural ways to manage pain. In this, our second episode, we’re talking to Kenton Sefcik, a seasoned acupuncturist and TCM practitioner as well as martial artist, author, and mentor. Kenton is also the creator of TCM Graduate TV where he provides online education to up and coming acupuncturists and naturopathic doctors.
Kenton discusses how his ‘never say die’ attitude has served him well in life, and how developing this warrior mindset of mental toughness didn’t happen overnight and took a lot of time, effort, and mentorship.
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Show Notes:
0:42 Introduction to how Kenton got into acupuncture and martial arts
5:14 How acupuncture school impacted his martial arts training
6:38 Traditional Chinese Medicine principals: The body has an innate ability to heal itself
“The body has an innate ability to heal itself.  All that i think I am doing it is reminding it and coaxing it back to health. We don’t really force anything to happen.”
9:10 How Chinese medicine zooms out on the person to see the whole picture
11:24 Most gratifying experiences as an acupuncturist and TCM practitioner
17:28 “Never say die” attitude in life and his mantra: “Whoever lasts the longest wins.”
19:05 Being patient with people who struggle to have a positive mindset
24:23 Getting your mindset right takes time; what to do while developing mental toughness
29:00 Some patients aren’t ready for change; their fixed mindset is serving them somehow
30:40 Being patient and developing rapport with patients to help them adopt new healthy practices and mindsets
“I learned that not only could I hurt somebody, I could also heal….so a big part of martial arts is self-defense.  Putting somebody down. Getting control of them. And the Chinese medicine is the other side of that coin. It’s the helping healing member of your community…so they definitely compliment each other….so you’ve got the hurting and the healing, if you will.  They really compliment each other. The yin and the yang.”
31:42 Teaching the importance of  “BPM” (breathing, posture, movement)
35:30 Using acupuncture and practicing BPM on himself
39:20 The role of Chinese herbs in his practice and his experience with Plum Dragon products
40:00 Dit Da Jow has been around forever and has played a huge role in martial arts training
42:50 Pain is bad but discomfort is good
43:40 Why the RICE method (Rest, Ice, Compression, Elevation) doesn’t work
46:30 How to get in contact with Kenton and not be afraid to approach him on any health topic
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Janelle: You’re listening to “Staying In The Game,” a Plum Dragon Herbs Podcast, where we have conversations on achieving greater health and fitness and natural ways to manage pain. I’m your host, Janelle Leatherwood. Joining us today is Kenton Sefcik, a seasoned acupuncturist and martial artist, author, and mentor. He is also the creator of TCM Graduate TV, where he provides online education to up and coming acupuncturists and naturopathic doctors. We’re thrilled that he can join us today. Kenton, welcome to our podcast. We’re so glad to have you here with us today.
Kenton: Thank you.
Janelle: And I would love to have you introduce yourself to our guests.
Kenton: I’ll do my best. So my name is Kenton Sefcik. I’m a registered acupuncturist and I’ve been practicing acupuncture and traditional Chinese medicine. I’m in my 11th year. I’m also a martial artist. I’ve been practicing traditional Chinese kung fu for 24 years.
Janelle: Wow, that’s amazing.
Kenton: So I got started…my usual story, how I kind of tell everybody how I got in all these things, many patients asked me, “So how did you get into acupuncture?” And I say, “Well, I have to back you up to when I was 14 years old.” When I was 14 years old I was living in my parent’s basement. And a commercial came on at about 2 am. And it was a white-haired guy beating up ninjas on a bridge.
Janelle: That’s great.
Kenton: So I woke up the next morning. And I said, “Mom, you have to take me to this kung fu school.” And she said, “No, way. You’ve quit soccer. You’ve quit piano. You don’t ice skate anymore. There’s no way that I’m taking you to a kung fu school.” But my mom’s a little bit of a softy for me. I’m adopted. I’m an only child. It only took me about an hour. I was joked at. I won her over pretty quickly. And you know, within a couple of days she talked to my dad and said, “Okay, fine. We’ll take you to this kung fu school.” And I’m so grateful that she did because, you know, here I am 24 years later. You can do the math on how old I am there. And I’m still practicing Chinese kung fu, martial arts. I’m obsessed with movement. Martial arts has been a great way for me to relate with the world of today.
And it was through martial arts that I made a very good friend by the name of David Rose, who practices in Calgary, Alberta Canada. And Dave and I became really good friends. And he was the one… He was thinking about Chinese medicine in college, of all things. And he said, “I don’t even know where to start.” And he wasn’t very internet savvy at the time. And so I jumped on the internet and found a website. I said, “Well, there’s this school, the Alberta College of Acupuncture and Traditional Chinese Medicine in Calgary. This is the only place that’s here.” So he started going to school there. And it wasn’t until he was in 3rd year. And I wasn’t really too sure what I wanted to do with my life.
And he was the one that kind of put it back on me. And he said, “You have to go talk to the dean at my college.” And I went and talked to the dean (excuse me)..and that’s kind of where that happened. I had also had a skateboard injury. I grew up skateboarding and listening to punk-rock, and hip-hop in Calgary. And I hurt my foot really, really badly on sliding off a curb, and I went to the usuals. You know, I went to the medical doctor. I tried copious amounts of physio. Nothing was happening. Then we rewind the clock again. So Dave was not in third year. He was in first year. He says, “You have to go see a 3rd-year acupuncturist. It’s only $20.” I said, “I could afford that.”
I went in there for two sessions. They put like two or three needles in the ball of my foot, and I’ve never had any pain in my foot since. So you kind of put all this up in the air into the mix. And that’s how I got into Chinese medicine. And that was the dean of the college. I was completely blown away. I thought, “Wow, this has helped my foot pain. I can help everybody else’s foot pain.” And I learned very quickly that Chinese medicine was a complete medical system. And I could treat anything from sleep, to digestion, to fertility, to mood. It is a phenomenal system. So yes, so that’s kind of my story and on how I got into all this stuff.
Janelle: Oh, wow, that’s amazing. And so you enrolled the next year?
Kenton: Yes, so we kinda got…
Janelle: Or did it take you time?
Kenton: No, I enrolled immediately. And so I talked to the dean. And that fall I was in there. I was just super passionate about the programs and it became…it came a little easier to me. And later on, I wondered why? And I figure it’s due to the fact that I spent so much time training Chinese kung fu. I would go hang out in Chinatown. I’d read Taoist and Buddhist texts. And I think that’s had a huge impact on my life.
Janelle: Right, because they’re all integrated to some extent. And the philosophies really work well together of martial arts and alternative medicine.
Kenton: For sure.
Janelle: How did that education shape your view about martial arts? Did it impact your training at all?
Kenton: It did in the sense that I learned that not only could I hurt somebody, I could also heal. So, a big part of the martial arts is self-defense, putting somebody down, getting control of them. And the Chinese medicine is the other side of that coin. It’s the helping, healing member of your community, all those sorts of things. So, they definitely compliment each other. I didn’t have the opportunity to learn. You know, what’s really cool is that I’ve met lots of people that have partook in kung fu classes.
And their instructors taught them some form of healing. Oh, well, you hit your partner. They’re a little sore. They ask the partner to come over they do a little [inaudible 00:06:02]. They do a little bit of, you know, acupressure, that sort of thing. And that was maybe part of their martial arts education. I didn’t get to have that. So the other side of it was that I went to Chinese medicine college. I got to have it from that side. So, you’ve got the hurting and the healing, if you will. So, they really compliment. The yin and the yang, they complement each other.
Janelle: Yes, definitely. So tell us what are some of the most fascinating things that you find with Chinese medicine?
Kenton: That’s a great question. The most fascinating things about Chinese medicine? That the body has an innate ability to heal itself, and all that I think that I’m doing is just kind of reminding it and coaxing it back to health. We don’t really force anything to happen. I can’t force a patient to have their menstrual cycle return. But, I can maybe build up enough blood stores so that their body can facilitate that. We often hurt ourselves really, really fast. But, it takes time to heal. Chinese medicine has taught me patience, perseverance, one foot in front of the next. And, martial arts has done that, too, on martial arts practice.
So, the other thing that’s totally amazing about Chinese medicine is the things that it can help. I often tell my patients if you are a tree, because in Chinese medicine you are not different from nature. You’re a part of nature. When the pressure changes outside, and all of a sudden it goes from plus 10 to minus 10 Celsius in a matter of hours, people get headaches. And, so, we are totally affected by the seasons, by what’s happening and going on outside. So, we often relate human beings to being a tree. If your branch is broken or on fire, you need to go to the hospital because Western medicine is phenomenal at treating that kind of life or death or very serious concerns. But, if you have a slow growing fungus on your tree, there’s not a very good chance that Western medicine is going to take care of it. It’s just not built for that sort of thing.
So, I absolutely love how Chinese medicine really fills in the gaps and complements Western medicine in these situations. So, that’s what I really, really love about Chinese medicine. And what’s amazing for me is no two days are the same. No two hours are the same. A new patient is coming in. They might have headache just like somebody I saw last week. But, we have a saying in Chinese medicine. Same disease, different treatment. Different disease, same treatment. Now, what this means is, we’re diagnosing according to the branch and the root, again using a tree metaphor. So, I’m zooming out and looking at a patient as a whole person. Western medicine is phenomenal because it zooms in as far as it can go. And, it fixes very small parts. It doesn’t look at the whole system. And that’s okay. But, Chinese medicine zooms out. And it says, “Well, these three branches of the tree are actually related to the same root cause.” So, that’s why we have that saying.
So, if I have a patient that has headache again, and I can line up five people that have headache, well, three of them might have the same mechanism root cause. And, two other ones have two different causes. So, I have to approach them from a totally different angle from a Chinese medicine point of view. However, if I had somebody who has a headache, I have somebody else who has pain from menstruation, I have somebody who is very irritable and they’re having lots of irritability symptoms, I can line all those three people up, and I can treat them the exact same way. So, Chinese medicine has caused me to do what I call like the “zoom out” on. So, I zoom out on my life. I zoom out on relationships. I zoom out on situations. It allows me to see the bigger picture. So, that’s definitely how it’s influenced my life and what I love about it.
Janelle: I love thinking of it like that. And it is true because Chinese medicine is addressing the whole body and the whole person and looking at all the factors that could be influencing their pain and whatever affliction they have at the time. And I…you know, it’s interesting and good to hear you talk about how it compliments Western medicine, as well, and that it can work together and each play a role in person’s health.
Kenton: Definitely, I think one thing that doesn’t serve us as Chinese medicine practitioners is to poo-poo anything really. I’ve had a couple of hernia operations. Western medicine has, you know, kind of, if you will, saved my life, so to speak, or made my life a lot better. And Chinese medicine has made my life a lot better. So I think that I think they need… you know, I think we just all need to get along. And, we need to know what our strengths are and what our weaknesses are. And, then we can help each other out.
Janelle: Yeah. What are some of the cases that you’ve had that have been interesting and fascinating for you to try and heal? And what was your approach in trying to help those people?
Kenton: My approach to help anybody is to try and put myself in their shoes. What I try to do is think about, if I was this patient with my knowledge and experience, what acupuncture points would I perform on myself? What herbs would I prescribe for myself? Would I prescribe myself a movement therapy, whether it’s qi gong or tai chi? Would I eat certain foods?
So that plays a huge part in my practice, and I’m very passionate and almost aggressive, if you will. I really like to get in there and do things, especially when I’m training martial arts and that sort of thing. So, that approach is what I take in my clinic. So, what I’m saying is when I put myself in my patient’s shoes being the impatient, passionate, aggressive wanna get stuff done guy that I am, I’m always thinking about, “I want my patient better yesterday.” And, so, that’s a huge thing for me.
One of the most… there’s been two cases over the last 11 years that have been the most gratifying, if you will. One gentleman, he was over 80 years old, and he had had four back to back strokes. And he went from driving his car to when he walked in my clinic, he was using a walker. And, I was probably in my second year of practice and feeling still pretty green in both things. And he said, “Can you help me?” And I said, “I have no idea. But let’s try.” And, I’m the let’s try guy. I’m not the used car salesman type. You don’t come to see me three times a week for the rest of your life. I’m not gonna try and sell you something. If you’ve got something serious, let’s try three. four, five treatments, whatever your time and your financial ability you can stand. He came in for no [inaudible 00:13:30] like four acupuncture treatments. And he was driving his car again.
Janelle: I love that.
Kenton: He got his license back. So that was, like, completely mind-blowing. And you know, I often tell my patients this. and I tell upcoming practitioners this. When we’re trying to communicate to our patients how long it’s gonna take for them to heal, oftentimes we don’t know. We have good ballpark figures. So, you know, most conditions once a week for 8 to 10 weeks. Menstrual conditions, once a week for 12 weeks. So, that ends up being, like, three cycles, if you will. You know, skin conditions, hair growth, alopecia in women, you know, can take up to 30 weeks of treatments.
And we have to like almost like build blood from the base. And, that’s really difficult to do with just acupuncture alone. Herbs help a lot. So here I had a patient, four strokes, four treatments, back driving his car. I remember having a patient in student clinic, tennis elbow of all things. She was a draftsperson at nine acupuncture treatments. And, then, she’s just started to get results. So you know, where the logic in that is I have no idea, but, again, influencing the body to heal.
Another really, really cool story was I knew a gentleman that also practiced martial arts. But, I didn’t know his background. Him and his wife had been trying to get pregnant for years, and they had two failed IVF’s that they paid obviously out of pocket for thousands and thousands of dollars. And, they were even looking at adoption. Like I said, I’m adopted, and adoption has changed so much over the last, you know, 30, 40 years. And, I remember him lamenting to me that there almost were treating him like a criminal.
And, he almost just wanted to give up because the adoption process was so caustic, and costly rather. And, I just said to him, I said “Do you know what I do for a living?” “Yes,” and I said, “Why don’t you try. I think, like, let’s just try it.” So I said, “The best is when we don’t blame everything on the woman.” So, I treat a lot of fertility concerns. But, if all of a sudden only the woman’s coming, I said, “No if you want top results, both parties involved should come.” Two acupuncture treatments, each: twins.
Janelle: Oh, my goodness.
Kenton: So…
Janelle: That gave me the chills.
Kenton: These things just completely blow me away. So those are, you know, the gentleman with the stroke, the couple who had two failed IVF’s and were unable to get pregnant, and it was, you know, two acupuncture treatments later. You know, those are great victories in my practice. And, at the same time patients have come in for tennis elbow, nine treatments, back pain… can’t fix it. And, they’ll find out… oftentimes, when I can’t fix something, however, I find out that it’s broken, if that makes sense. It’s not a functional problem. A lot of times we have somebody who comes in with knee pain. But, you find out that they’ve completely torn their tendon or you find out that somebody has broken their back. You know, those are quite serious. And that’s when again you go see your Western medical professional because that’s their specialty, but yeah. So, I’ve had my victories and I’ve had my losses in clinic, for sure.
Janelle: Yeah. I love those stories. That is really amazing. And I can’t believe the changes, you know, that occurred in those people’s lives from the acupuncture treatments. That’s really cool. So, let’s see. I wanna talk to you a little bit more about who you are and what makes you tick, Kenton.
Kenton: For sure.
Janelle: Tell me a little bit about your mindset and philosophy in life.
Kenton: I have a never say die attitude. And, in business, in life, I kind of have a mantra that I can repeat over and over. It’s whoever lasts the longest, wins, because one of the elephants in the room that I talk about on, you know, on Instagram, on podcast and all these things is that the elephant in the room is that when the Chinese medicine graduate passes their provincial or state examination, they are officially a small business owner. They’re officially an entrepreneur. And this is extremely disconcerting for lots of people. And, I’ve torn down and built practices a few times in my career so far, and I have really learned that if I can just have a stubborn, stick-it-outedness, I will survive. I will win. I will be able to influence my community with health and healing. And, I’ll be able to feed my family.
This mindset took a lot of time, and it took a lot of other people’s involvement in me, mentorship in me. There’s no way that I just kind of woke up one day and said, “Oh, I’m the never say die, guy.” Like, no. It took a lot of personal and self-growth to kinda get to the point where now when I make a decision, it’s just as fast as a light switch. And, I have to be very cognizant of the amount of personal growth that I’ve had because if a patient comes to me and says, “I wanna quit smoking,” my quick flippant response is, “Well, quit smoking already because if you said you want…” And they say, “Well, it’s addictive, and my friends smoke, and my partner smokes, and I like smoking on break.”
I said, “But, wait a minute, you just told me you wanted to quit smoking. So why don’t you just quit smoking?” And, I know it’s more complex. And, being you know, a Chinese medicine practitioner and a healer, I know it’s more complex than that. But due to mindset training, if you will, I almost… I have to… I’m always trying to figure out how I can get my patient to do what I do and do what other people do, and that’s make quick decisions. So, that’s kind of my mindset and like I said it… I think we’re all on a journey, and I think that it takes time. If you want something, keep at it. It’s worth it.
I have absolutely no problem telling people that it took me about a year and a half to two years to get really, really good at acupuncture, like, out of school. Like I…but that was due to the amount of mentorship that I had. But, it took me over 20 years to get good at martial arts, kung fu. And that was due to the lack of mentorship until I got to about year 20, and I met a gentleman by the name of Suki Gosal out of DC (originally from the U.K). And, he was a huge influence on mindset training. He was a big believer in mindset first, conditioning second, and then skill sets third, in that order.
Janelle: Can you repeat his name for our listeners?
Kenton: Yeah. Suki Gosl S-U-K-I and then G-O-S-A-L.
Janell: Okay.
Kenton: And, just a phenomenal martial artist. If you Google his name, you’ll come up with…I’ve interviewed him for, you know, martial arts magazines. He was instrumental in my martial arts career, and he put me kind of on a path to reaching out, if you will, and looking for mentors from afar, I would call it. So, while, you know, we would send e-mails, they wouldn’t be e-mails. They’d be novels. And then MSN Messenger was a big thing and then texting, of course, and FaceTime and all this sort of thing. So. he spent countless hours over an eight-year plus period with me mentoring me, helping me. But, that kind of influenced my ability.
You know, I did a lot of research on a gentleman by the name of Geoff Thompson, who is a top U.K. martial artist, and that led me to Al Peaseman [SP], the top U.K. martial artist. And, these gentlemen were really, really big on mindset. Of course, that kind of led me to people like Eric Thomas. Also, he was known as the hip-hop preacher. And, I watched his journey in the early days of, you know, quitting his job and going on YouTube and creating inspirational and motivational videos. And now he’s got contracts with the NBA and the NFL, and he goes in and he does motivation. He doesn’t really call himself a motivational speaker, but that’s the best way to describe him, and his mindset affected me.
And then, of course, there’s people like Gary Vaynerchuk, who is a big proponent of “Consume my stuff. But eventually, you’re gonna have to stop consuming my stuff and you gonna have to go do what I do.” I follow him on Instagram. Syatt Fitness, who is Gary Vaynerchuk’s personal fitness trainer, he’s a hoot to watch on Instagram. But, again, he’s got a similar message like, “Don’t watch what I do. Do what I do.” So yes, so when it comes to the mindset, I’m always looking at the winners, the people who are affecting change. I’m a huge Tony Robbins fan. I think that, you know… His stuff led me into like researching an NLP (neuro-linguistic programming).
I think anybody who’s been a martial artist for a long period of time, you know, does these things and starts to branch out because initially, you think that… at least I thought, and people are probably along the same boat as me, but initially, I thought that by learning a kung fu skill, I would be good at kung fu. And, you kind of get into this… I got into this thing where I was thinking all the time, “If I just learned how to do this properly, if I just learned this new technique, or if I just learned this new approach, I’ll finally get good.”
And there is a part of that because if you learn crap martial arts, you can get into trouble, and you don’t function well when you’re against somebody who you’re pressure testing with. But, a huge part like [inaudible 00:24:13] said was just mindset. So, once I got my head right… and he knew that it would take me time to get my head right. So, what he told me to do initially was run hill sprints, skip rope, you know, push ups, sit ups, heavy bag, lift weights, do stuff. And, so that was the conditioning process.
Remember, like, mindset, then conditioning, then skill set, in that order. But, when we approach things, we approach it generally in reverse. First, we get the skill set and then through training the skill set, then you get your conditioning. And then those combined over a long period of time and hopefully in situations that are healthy for you, that builds your mindset. So, it’s kind of a funny way of going about things. We kind of go about it in reverse. And, maybe we should go about it the other way. And, maybe we should have everybody in all types of fields and their mindset first.
Janelle: Yeah. And that isn’t easy to learn. Like, you said it took you a lot of…
Kenton: It takes time.
Janelle: Yeah, it took time and mentorship. Do you feel like, you know, one of your other hats that you wear is being a therapist because…
Kenton: Right.
Janelle: Yeah, you’re trying to explain you know, how your patients’ mindsets can affect their overall health.
Kenton: Right, and one big things that I do in clinic… I’ll never forget, kind of a light bulb moment went off for me. I was teaching for a Chinese medicine college, and I had one of my students who is actually a physiotherapist who was going back to learn Chinese medicine, which was a phenomenal idea. And, she said to me when we got out of… she watched me perform acupuncture on a patient coming into the student clinic, and I was helping the students learn how to do acupuncture in the clinic.
And she said to me, “Have you ever noticed the language that you use in the clinic room?” I said, “What do you mean?” She says, “You say, ‘Perfect. Great job. You’re doing a phenomenal job. This is what this acupuncture was.'” She said the language that you use is always positive, uplifting. You’re always complimenting the patient on how they’re putting up with you, putting stainless steel inside their body, etc. And, that was kind of a light bulb moment for me when I realized “Wow, in a therapeutic exchange there is so much going on.” We know that when we go see any type of medical practitioner, Eastern, Western, whatever, if they don’t have good bedside manner, as we kind of call it here in the West, then we’re not really gonna get along with them.
And we kind of poke fun at the specialists or, you know, the anesthesiologist who has a bedside manner of a door. But, these things really, really matter. So, when you talk about what happens in clinic, I’ve really put a lot of effort into, after that light bulb moment went off of me, I have put a lot of effort into the language that I use, the body language that I use. And, how I do this is I point a finger back at myself and I say, “How do I feel my patient wants to view me? Do they want the Kenton that just got cut off by three people on the way to work and, you know, had a fight with you know, his best friend? Do they want that Kenton? No, they don’t want that Kenton. They want the Kenton that is going to uplift them, exact change. And we have to match those.
And if I have a patient that came in that just put down their golden retriever, I’m not happy, bubbly Kenton. But, I’m compassionate. But, I may be one notch above them, instead of five notches above them, because I still want them to benefit from that therapeutic exchange. I have absolutely no problem with placebo. I think that saying that placebo is a dirty word is wrong. When I walk in, again, to a medical office and see a medical doctor, if they’re meek and shy and they think, they say, “I think we should do this…” What do you mean you think?”
Janelle: Yeah, exactly.
Kenton: It kind of puts me off. So, the therapeutic exchange used in the clinic is important, and there’s a dance there happening, for sure.
Janelle: Yeah. Definitely, you don’t wanna go to a practitioner who is not sure what they’re doing to treat you. I’ve been in that situation. It’s not very fun and it’s not comfortable. And then you don’t trust the therapy.
Kenton: Yes.
Janelle: And, I think that, in itself, will, can affect whether you heal or not, if you don’t believe in what is happening for you.
Kenton: Yeah, I mean, it all plays a part. I tell my patients all the time, “If it’s you versus me, you win. If it’s you versus my herbs, you win.” So there has been a handful, five patients in my career, let’s say, where I’ve actually you know, let them go or, “Do you really wanna get better? Is this pattern of emotional disharmony, if you will, is that pattern serving you?” Yes, it is serving me.” “Okay, well, when you decide that it’s no longer serving you, you come back and see me.”
I can take the biggest skeptic off the street and make them a believer. The trick is, if you will, with any therapy… and, just like you said, they’ve got to want to get better. “Do you wanna get better?” There are people… and, I don’t fault them, because of whatever happened in their childhood or their life situation or whatever, they might be stuck in a pattern that is serving them. But, when they decide that that is no longer serving them and that their patterns are actually damaging to their health or their life situation, that’s when I think that anything and everything can really benefit them.
Janelle: Yeah, yeah, that’s so true. So Kenton, when you are talking to your patients, what are some of the advice that you give them for daily practices of health? And what do you do yourself to stay healthy?
Kenton: Yes, that is kind of a two-parter. I’ll talk about my patients first. One thing I try to not do is proselytize anything to my patients. I try to have a very organic conversation with my patients. We talk about compliance a lot in Chinese medicine and Western medicine. “Oh, are your patients compliant? Are they taking their pharmaceuticals? Are they taking their herbs? Are they eating what you told them to eat and not eating what you told them to stay away from,” and all these sorts of things. I think having those conversations with our patients takes time. And, it takes rapport.
So, I would absolutely love nothing more than my patients to switch out their diet for eating what I call real food, to adopt a movement practice, to belly- breathe. I have my own personal acronym that I share with my patients. And it’s called…and when I teach qi gong or tai chi or even kung fu, it’s called BPM. And, it’s breathing, posture, movement. And, I really believe that if we have a breathing practice where we have… we can control our abdomen and we can do diaphragmatic breathing, I think that’s extremely beneficial.
Posture. Adopting a very good posture, head up high, shoulder blades back and down, butt tight, which neutralizes the lower spine, soft knees. And keeping this alignment that is taught through Chinese martial arts when we pull our lawn mower, when we pull our snowblower, when we lift groceries out of the car, I think this would help a lot. Squatting to pick up a pen that you dropped instead of bending over at the waist, this is important. I think learning how to lift weights is extremely helpful. When you learn how to squat and dead-lift, when you learn how to do a pull-up or chin-ups, these body mechanics are present in through daily life. And, then, last but not least, movements. And, I kind of talked about that already, but having some sort of movement practice.
So I would absolutely love to just hit my patients with everything. You need breathing, posture, movement, and a clean diet. But, I can’t because exercise and diet especially are emotionally-charged topics. So, what I have to do or what I try to do in clinic is I just start to develop a rapport with them, but exacting change through acupuncture and Chinese medicine therapies that hopefully builds rapport. And then it opens the floodgate to having this dialogue where somebody says, “Well, why do you think I have so much phlegm?” Well, looking at your tongue and your polyps and all these other symptoms, do you consume any dairy products? “Yes, I consume lots of dairy products. I have dairy products seven times a day.” Okay, so do me a huge favor. Let’s just try no dairy products for six weeks. “Okay.” And, so, sometimes I get some compliance because they just wanna get better, darn it. And they’ll try anything.
And sometimes I’m met with, you know, an obstacle “Well, but you’re not gonna make me give up cheese. I love cheese.” But, that at least we start the dialogue, you know, and magical things happen when that…when a patient starts walking a certain path. And, patients have shocked the heck out of me by telling me, you know, three or four treatments in, “Hey, guess what? I stopped eating dairy. I have no more post-nasal drip, and I found a yoga studio that is convenient for me, and it’s on the way home from work, and I’m absolutely loving it.” Wow, I’m totally floored.
So, that’s, kind of, to answer your question. So, I do have these dialogues with my patients when I have built rapport. And, I am very careful to tippy-toe around these conversations because the minute you tell somebody that they can’t eat something or that they have to exercise, we view it almost as I guess shaming. And, I am extremely careful. I think that everybody is just perfect and beautiful in their own way. That’s the yin. And then the yang is, improve yourself, darn it! So, you know, I play that card with myself too. I say I’m great the way I am on one side of the coin on the inside. And, then on the yang side is I still have lots of room for improvement. So, I see that with my patients. And I’m always trying to do a little bit of a dance to not offend them while stoking a little bit of a fire, while trying to be a catalyst for change, as Bruce Lee would have said.
My own personal practices include breathing, posture, movement and a lot of self-acupuncture. We have a saying in Chinese medicine, it’s probably present in lots of other medicine or practices is, “He who treats themselves has a fool for a patient.” And, that’s something that I was taught in Chinese medicine college. And, it’s something that I think is wrong. As a health professional, how am I to know what works on my patient, if I don’t even know if it’s gonna work on myself, so to speak? So, I think it’s important for me to practice on myself. And the older I get, the better I get at Chinese medicine because eventually, you become, I don’t know, 32 years old, and you get shingles for the first time. And, because you have a totally stressful episode in your life and you get shingles for the first time, well, I know how to treat this with Chinese medicine.
But, maybe I’ve never treated in the clinic before this or the other things you treat yourself, and one of the best things that happened to me is I worked in a multi-disciplinary clinic for almost 10 years. So, I got to work alongside naturopathic doctors and massage therapist and physiotherapist and doctor of chiropractic. And, you really learn how to, kind of, heal yourself. So, a big part of my health routine is to give myself acupuncture anywhere from two to three times a week, and this would just look like me sitting down watching Netflix and putting a few needles in me to, you know, just to relax muscle tension, to help digestive motility, those sorts of things.
I train martial arts, and I move my body a lot, and, you know, you’re not gonna find me downtown at the club getting into a fight, getting drunk, all these kind of things. I’m in a, you know, totally different zone in my life now. You’re either gonna find me out doing martial arts, you’re going to find me at work, or you’re going to find me at home. I don’t drink. I don’t smoke. I don’t do drugs. I don’t gamble, I don’t do anything that I feel would affect my martial arts practice. My martial arts practice is like huge for me. And, when somebody calls me up and they say, “Hey, you wanna train Sunday morning at 8 am,” I can say, “Yes, I can,” because I’m not gonna be hung over. And, so martial arts has become a movement practice for me now in the latest, in the kind of middle-age stage of my life. I just recently took up hip-hop dancing for the first time.
Janelle: That’s so cool.
Kenton: I’ve never danced a day in my life. Of course, when you know, six years old and you go to a wedding and your mom is like, “Oh, you’re such a good dancer,” that’s your mom saying you’re a good dancer. You don’t know if you’re a good dancer or not. But, I took up hip-hop dancing, and that has been phenomenal for my Chinese kung fu practice, my Brazilian jiu-jitsu practice. It is making, you know, we have this beautiful shell that we’ve been given for an undetermined about of time. We should figure out what we can do with it.
Can I pick heavy stuff up with it? Can I pick my body up with it? Can I dance with it? Can I punch and kick and grapple with it? What can I do with my human body? So, yeah, so the movement, eating real food and, you know, giving myself lots of self-acupuncture and taking the old Chinese herbs when I know exactly the pattern that’s going on in myself. I don’t mess around too much. Those are ways that I keep myself healthy.
Janelle: How much did your training involve Chinese herbal medicine when you went to the acupuncture school? I assume it goes for a lot of it.
Kenton: Yeah, there was a huge amount. When you go to Chinese medicine college, you learn single herbs. Then you learn how to pair herbs. Then you learn what’s known as Chinese patterns. So, those are little black balls you get down in Chinatown. And, then you learn formulas. So, there’s a huge amount of Chinese herbs. I’ve used the Plum Dragon products. I absolutely love them.
The first thing I noticed when I opened the package of the Dit Da Jow… I wrote this on my Instagram and I said, “You know, I’m not getting paid for this. Like, I don’t want anybody think like I’m endorsed by this or something like that.” But like, I really wanted to try the products. I’m a huge fan of Chinese medicine in general and old practices. You know, Dit Da Jow has been around forever. And it’s always been a huge part of health and healing, especially in a martial artist’s life. And the first thing I noticed when I opened the Dit Da Jow was the smell. It smelled like Dit Da Jow. It didn’t smell like camphor or menthol in some, you know, kind of our usual rub, a 535 stuff.
It smelled like, you know, Chinese rice wine and herbs that have been sitting in a vat and fermented. You know, really potent stuff. And, it just brought me back, you know, to… I don’t know. It just brought me back to like old Kung Fu days. Especially, you know… so, that was the first thing I noticed. I apply it to… we do a lot of punching in Wing Chun kung fu and non-classical kung fu who was… Bruce Lee’s first student was Jesse Glover. And, Jesse Glover taught Suki Gosal. And, he taught me some Wing Chun’s stuff, but mostly the non-classical kung fu punching [inaudible 00:41:05]. So, there’s a lot of action happening with my knuckles. So, I apply the product before I punch, especially when I punched the focus mitts, and I apply after it, and my recovery time is a lot faster.
And that is a huge thing because if I’m gonna do a lot… Like I said, I’m probably training martial arts five to six times a week. I’m punching mitts. I’m punching mitts. I’m punching mitts. It’s really, really important. I’m lifting weights. Maybe I strain my knee, and I’ll put some Dit Da Jow on my knee after because I’m already putting it on my hands. So, it’s definitely helped my recovery time. That’s not something that’s in my head. I’ve been at martial arts for long enough to tell. You know, as a martial artist who wants to train and has to train, if you will, multiple times during the week, recovery is what it’s all about. So you know, not only do I have to get good sleep. I’ve got to stay hydrated. I’ve got to eat real food. I’ve got to watch comedies, stay positive mindset, all that kind of stuff. If I can get a little bit of an edge with something like a Dit Da Jow, I’m on it.
Janelle: Yeah. It’s so fascinating to me how, like you said at the beginning of our conversation, you know, your job is to heal people. But, you’re also in a form of art that hurts people and hurts yourself. And, so, your life revolves around pain basically.
Kenton: You know, I don’t know if I can jump in there. But, you know, what I think is really important is that and it’s something that I try to teach people that train with me or that maybe I have a long-standing rapport in the clinic with, is that pain is bad. There’s no question. If I have lots of weight on the bar and I squat and my knee screams at me, we’re done for the day. I have to figure out what I’ve done wrong. Did I not torque my legs over? Like, I’ve got to figure out what I did wrong. Discomfort is not a bad thing.
We have a saying in Chinese medicine that, “Ice is for dead people.” And, that is why I like herbs like that Dit Da Jow have in it are usually, they’re very hot. They promote blood circulation because they’re very hot. If I sprain my ankle the first thing that we’re gonna do is we’re gonna put ice on it. But, in Chinese medicine, we say “No, that’s not right.” And Dr. Mirkin back in 2015, I think, on his website… if you go to drmirkin.com, He’s the guy who created Rest, Ice, Compression, Elevation, the RICE acronym that got written into all of the physiotherapy and medical textbooks. He recanted his statement and said, “I am wrong.” So, it’s been in there since the ’70s. How are we gonna change that? But, what I’m trying to say, get to, is that Chinese Medicine says, “Ice is for dead people. Put heat on it.”
So we’re big proponents of heat. So, hot water bottle, Magic Bag, Moxa, which is the burning of mugwort to heat the area. If you…if the boss…if I sprained my ankle, and I’ve got swelling and heat and pain, and I have pain because I have heat and swelling, what’s gonna happen when I put heat on my ankle? It’s going to increase my body’s ability to heal. Mirkin said, “I’m wrong with the ice. It slows the body’s ability to heal.” I’m sore. Well, let’s put heat on it. Well, guess what’s gonna happen? The pain level’s gonna go up. The discomfort is gonna go up. We are a weak bunch of human beings, I tell you, Janelle. We wanna move away from discomfort. We should move away from pain. There’s no question.
But we want to move away from discomfort. But, where discomfort is, that’s where the magic happens. I would say where the discomfort is, that’s the gap. Don’t move towards pain. That’s bad. But discomfort? You wanna go get a doctorate? You wanna go get a Ph. D.? That’s gonna be uncomfortable. You wanna go get acupuncture done, and I’m gonna create deqi a little bit of an agent sensation? That’s gonna be a little uncomfortable. You want to get your black belt in a martial art? That’s gonna be uncomfortable. You want to raise a bunch of wrangly teenage kids into adulthood? That’s gonna be uncomfortable. But where the discomfort lies, that’s the magic. I really, really think so.
Janelle: You know, it’s interesting, you’re talking about the practice, the common practice to ice things. We actually have a blog post, “Why ice is not nice” that I wanna send you.
Kenton: Right on.
Janelle: Well, before we wrap up, was there anything that you wanted to share with our listeners or any anything that you felt like you had come prepared to talk about and haven’t talked about yet?
Kenton: I don’t think so. I don’t think so. We covered so many things. I almost warn people, if you’re gonna get me talking about Chinese medicine or Chinese martial arts, I’m gonna have a hard time shutting up. So, I think we’ve covered a lot of ground. At the end of the day, you know, I try to…I’m trying to be here to help. So, if anybody has any questions about Chinese medicine, Chinese martial arts, feel free to reach out. I use Instagram a ton on TCM, so Traditional Chinese Medicine. Tcmgraduatetv is my handle on Instagram. And, I have lots of people, I do, you know… I help the up-and-comers in the Chinese medicine field. This is kind of my goal.
I want people to feel more confident in the medicine that they went to school for. That’s a big shtick of mine. I feel like I was mentored so heavily in martial arts land and also in Chinese medicine land that… and, not in a pompous ass way, but I feel like I have this…I had this or maybe I have [inaudible 00:47:11] for advantage. And, I feel like people aren’t being mentored enough these days. I think that mentorship is an important thing in life, in business, in finance, in martial arts, in Chinese medicine. So, yes, so don’t be shy. Feel free to send me a DM or ask a question on one of my posts. And I will respond.
Janelle: Yeah, and I can vouch for that. And, being an avid reader of your Instagram posts, you know, I can also vouch for the fact that there’s no question that you won’t answer. Like, you’ve talked about, you know, whether it’s fertility issues or backaches or neck pain, you know, you’re able to help people with their questions and problems. And, you don’t avoid any topics, which I love. That’s great.
Kenton: No, I don’t, and when I teach, you know, for continuous education seminars or conferences and that sort of stuff, I really try to develop rapport quickly with the audience, because I want them to ask me about the pee and the poop and the fertility and the business side. And, let’s have honest conversations about everything, because I think that just helps with everybody’s growth.
Janelle: Yeah. Yes, raw honesty.
Kenton: Yes.
Janelle: That’s great.
Kenton: With compassion.
Janelle: That’s true. It’s so true. Well, thank you so much. I know we appreciate your raw honesty and being so real and sharing your thoughts with everyone that’s listening to this podcast and on your social media platforms and letting us take a peek into your life. And, that’s been fun for me, and I’m sure it’ll be fun for other people as they hopefully start to follow you and see what you’re all about and to learn from all that you can teach them about acupuncture and Chinese medicine and how you’ve grown with martial arts.
Kenton: Perfect. Well, thank you, for this opportunity. It’s super fun. I hope we get to chat again.
Janelle: And, thanks to all our listeners for joining us today. For more great stuff from Kenton Sefcik, be sure to visit us at PlumDragonHerbs.com. We will post show notes and ways to connect with Kenton. And, if you like the show, send us a comment on our YouTube channel. Until next time.
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