#but while it is very beloved in the fandom it's actually rather niche outside of it

[beevean]

☕ i think the worst thing about netflixvania is how utterly it overshadows the games in the fandom and in general media

This is hard cold facts :')

NFCV has a lot of issues even as its standalone product, but CV isn't special when it comes to badly written/unfaithful adaptations. The problem is that the game series is effectively dead, meaning that CV essentially elbowed its way into the common conscience, and it became the face of the whole franchise, introducing a lot of misconceptions into the fanbase and causing even more fractures. Yeah, the IP got a nice boost in popularity, but does it really count, if many NFCV fans barely even know that the show was based on a few games and a good chunk seem to look down on them?

#castlevania #anti netflixvania #this makes sense for me and a few people but i think of idw sonic #imo it's nearly as bad as nfcv when it comes to being a sonic product #and it also came out during a lull in the games series which boosted its popularity #but while it is very beloved in the fandom it's actually rather niche outside of it #hell even the *hollywood movies* while appreciated by many did not become the emblem of the series #because sonic games keep being released and aren't seen as a relic of the past :')

[becomingpart2]

i actually take back what i said about buffy and daenerys being the most popular in their respective fandoms. i was more thinking in terms of dany and buffy being cultural icons and beloved characters than fandom discourse. their are definitely parts of the btvs fandom where people prefer willow/cordy/faith and resent buffy for being the main character. actually the more that I think about it i can kinda see what candy meant by sansa being the fandom darling, dany and arya are more iconic and beloved by general audiences, but i do think sansa stans have dominated a lot of fandom discourse. the thing is I actually think sansa stans are more like caroline stans than elena stans. their entire online presence is being jealous of daenerys in the same way caroline stans are jealous of elena, so it’s weird that candy could recognize and call out this behaviour from sansa stans while engaging in the exact same behaviour when it came to caroline and elena.

Lol yes. There are several segments of the btvs fandom that stan other female characters rather than buffy. I wouldn't say they hate her, or at least they don't admit to that (because really, why would you dislike buffy on such a visceral level??) but she's certainly not the one that they feel more strongly about. There's this really popular btvs podcast call "buffering" and they adore pretty much all the other female characters but don't seem to show the same level of enthusiasm for the protagonist.

Anyway, yeah I never watched GOT and I don't know its fandom dynamic outside of what reaches "mainstream" fandom so I can't really offer any opinion on that. I can assume some behaviors based on general perceptions people tend to have about female characters though.

In my opinion, I think Arya and Dany are characters more prone to become fandom faves bc they are the types of characters that attract the more general audiences. They fit the Strong Female Character archetype that's widely accepted. Sansa doesn't, which is why I find her very similar to Elena. On the other hand, Post-vampirism Caroline also fits a fandom fave checklist bc she's just oh so quirky and fun! She tells it like it is!! She's unapologetic about who she is!! But here's the tthing: despite all of Caroline's qualities, Elena was still the one unfairly getting all the attention in canon!! A couple of feminists on tumblr liked and defend her every move!! So that obviously provoked a violent jealous reaction on a subset of her fans that weren't satisfied with all her progress and well-liked status: they needed to have her to check all the boxes and take over everything, otherwise she was being oppressed!

I can't speak for Sansa stans and how much they are in fandom though. What I see from an outsider perspective is that Sansa's fanbase seems to be mostly made-up of feminist and feminist-leaning women in specific niche parts of the internet. But I could be wrong!

#anonymous #tobin theory

[anotherler]

Alright, so. I just want to set the record straight here.

I don’t really understand why the Once-ler fandom gets a lot of backlash and is just generally a huge joke.

It gets rather long under the cut but if you want it condensed I’m basically saying:

The Once-ler fandom isn’t any better or worse than other fandoms. There are a variety of people in this fandom that have different beliefs and personalities. This is true for any group of people. Please just let people be creative and have fun enjoying things they like. It’s not that hard.

Trying to understand from the perspective of an outsider, I get how it’s strange to see a fandom that centers around one singular character. It’s like as opposed to just having the Undertale fandom, you have the Sans fandom and while everyone in Sans fandom adores Sans, they do also like and talk about the other characters in Undertale but not to the same degree.

But you know, that almost isn’t a fair comparison. For you see, The Once-ler was arguably the most well developed character in The Lorax and by a long stretch. In Undertale you have your pick of well fleshed out and outstanding characters.

The Once-ler as a widely beloved character was somewhat of a phenomenon. The common misconception is that people only liked the Once-ler for his appearance or the fact that he had a bad boy persona.

If you were actually in the fandom, you would find that beyond swooning about this character, there was a lot of analysis done to better understand his characterization. A lot of pieces of fanart are good well thought out character studies of the Once-ler. He had a charismatic personality and lively body language. He was funny, sarcastic and flawed. Plus, Ed Helms did an incredible job with his voice acting and there are little nuances in his speech that just bring him to life as a character.

Not everyone is going to understand that or find his personality magnetic. That’s understandable. We’ve all got the types of people we like. I really liked him, so I sought out fanart and writing about him and eventually found the fandom.

He was sort of more profound. A character of grey morality that made bad choices out of peer pressure and selfishness. He was just very interesting to look into in terms of analysis and fanwork which for the most part go hand in hand.

That leads me to the next point. This fandom is very creative. We have been inspired by the movie and by older pieces of canon and then in turn we began to inspire each other.

AU askblogs are not exclusive to this fandom. People rail on this fandom for having 300 Once-lers in it but various other fandoms have askblogs about the same character several times over from different interpretations. I think that’s awesome! A lot of these askblogs can serve as character studies and filling in the blanks of the canon characters and theorizing about how they’d act. I welcome Once-ler AUs where their personalities and scenarios vary because I still see the Once-ler character in them and it studies specific aspects of him.

If you think about it, technically illumination’s Once-ler which is considered canon in this fandom is actually a fan interpretation of Dr Seuss’s character. So in the fandom, we’re doing a similar thing. It’s actually a beneficial skill for creators.

Generally most fandoms do this. And it’s good. It does not mess with the integrity of the original work: Nothing can ever tarnish canon. It’s already written. On top of that, folks put a lot of thought into their AUs and interpretations and I think that should be respected. All in all, just let people have fun.

I’m sure that the Once-ler fandom is remembered for it’s bad qualities, especially if some have bias towards it but come on, is it really all that bad? I’m not going to pretend that there were situations where things went too far and when individuals got hurt. I remember those moments but all in all it doesn’t add up into a purely terrible group of people. I’m sure I’m not the only one who acknowledges this either. Every fandom has it’s negative aspects. It might have drama or fans that were too hyperactive or didn’t know any better at the time. This is true for any sizable gathering of people and I can guarantee you that the Once-ler fandom was never an isolated incident.

By the way, the fandom is still active. Fandoms don’t die they just fade into niches of the internet. Things are not as prominent or exciting as they were back in 2012 but those were fun times for many. Just remember that. We don’t enjoy the fact that tags for things we like are just full of hate and mean spirited jokes.

This is from my perspective and from general observation of this fandom and other fandoms over the years. In the same vein of making fun of the Once-ler fandom, don’t tromp on any other fandoms because the source material is popular and/or because there are lots of OCs and character interpretations you find strange or don’t understand. Odds are people are just having a good time and are actually in the process of learning how to be better content creators. It isn’t harming you. Think twice before you say anything.

Feel free to share your point of view on this matter if you’d like. I leave my opinions open for discussion.

#onceler fandom