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scarletcomet · 2 months
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I'm not Zionist, but I really want to know where people think Israeli Jews should go? People keep talking about wanting Palestine to be free, but what does that mean for the Jews (and other non-palistinians) living there?
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wiisagi-maiingan · 6 months
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Again, you can support Palestine and Palestinian liberation without ignoring TWO THOUSAND YEARS OF ANTISEMITIC VIOLENCE AND CONSTANT EXPULSIONS AND MASSACRES OF JEWISH PEOPLES ALL OVER THE WORLD.
This is not something "in the past" (btw, those posts about how the Holocaust was "sooooo long ago" are fucking disgusting!), antisemitic violence is a global ongoing reality. Synagogues are being threatened and attacked, Jewish people are being harassed and murdered, Jewish-owned businesses are being threatened and vandalized, there are people in the streets calling for a Jewish genocide, and there are ongoing pogroms and expulsions of Jewish communities.
Jewish people did not leave their respective home countries for funsies, they left because those countries made it extremely and violently clear that they were not welcome. Many Israelis can't "go back home" because those "homes" chased them out at gunpoint or worse.
Again, this is not about having to support Israel or the actions of the Israeli government. It's literally just about not spreading antisemitic rhetoric and revisionist history that tries to blame Jewish people for antisemitism (and yes, I've seen those "Zionism makes Jews think they can't belong anywhere else" posts, as if the constant hate and violence isn't at all part of that).
I'm so beyond disgusted by the behavior I've seen from people who I previously respected. I've seen so many Jewish people I follow saying that they no longer feel safe in any leftist community and I don't blame them for that. I'm not even Jewish and I have lost so much trust and faith in Western leftists over just the last month.
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something i've noticed zionists do is that they'll just tack "which means killing jews" onto the end of everything they describe pro-palestinian protestors saying. "they're calling for a free palestine—which means killing jews btw." "they're saying that there needs to be a ceasefire and that all palestinian political prisoners should be freed from israeli prisons. which means they want to kill jews. btw."
and it's like....i have hardly seen ANYONE that's pro-palestine directly mentioning, blaming, or pointing fingers at jews. like....ever. zionists have to add that sentiment on themselves to make it seem like we're the bad guys for wanting a free palestine.
because we know that this isn't about jews. we know that jewish people as a whole are not responsible for the occupation of palestine. the zionist project was started by western imperialism and antisemitic countries that wanted jews out. jews are not to blame, but it serves western imperialism well to exploit the very real generational trauma of jews.
the most antisemitic rhetoric i've seen since october has not been from pro-palestinians. it's been from two camps: people who have always been antisemitic and are using this to fuel their hatred, and zionists. zionists, who aggressively associate the brutal violence of israel with judaism. zionists, who insist that you're a fake jew if you don't blindly support the state of israel. zionists, who tell jews that they aren't safe anywhere in the world but israel (while simultaneously bemoaning how unsafe israel is because of palestine, but that's not the point here). zionists, whether jewish themselves or otherwise (because many of the zionists i see aren't jewish themselves), who insist that jews cannot exist anywhere else but israel. that they need to defend their land. that they need to go there and stay there and fight for the interests of the west.
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matan4il · 4 months
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Daily update post:
We got tragic news yesterday. Three hostages were killed in Gaza. It's not clear yet whether they managed to escape Hamas, or their captors bandoned them, but they were walking around in what was a fighting scene. An IDF force realized three people were coming at them, the soldiers saw the hostages from a distance. In this area, there were, in addition to lots of battles, including yesterday, a lot of attempts to carry out suicide attacks, Hamas terrorists who tried to get as close to the IDF as possible, in order to take out with them as many soldiers as they can. The terrorists have been using deception, too. An officer said the IDF wasn't prepared for the scenario that hostages will be talking in the war zones in northern Gaza (where all civilians were warned to evacuate weeks ago), and that initials lessions from this incident had already been passed on to the forces on the ground. It's a tragic, understandable mistake, and I heard the father of an 18 year old hostage (still in captivity) say as much, that the families understand the mistake, and that they are with the soldiers. The killed hostages are (left to right in the pic): 26 years old Alon Shimriez, 28 years old Yotam Chaim and 25 years old Samer Talalkah. I've heard Yotam's mother and Samer's dad talking about their sons. My heart is breaking for the loss of these young men, for the grief of their families, and the pain of the soldiers.
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Yesterday, Hamas fired a barrage of rockets at Jerusalem. This is what the interception of some of the rockets looked like:
On a personal note, you might have seen that I have housing issues due to the war, and I'm staying at a temporary place. The rocket attacks on Israel are a part of why it's a bit difficult for me to find a place to stay in. Since 1992 (a year after the First Gulf War, during which Saddam Hussein, the Iraqi tyrant responsible for the massacre of hundreds of thousands of Kurds and for the invasion of Kuwait, fired rockets at Israeli cities), houses in Israel must include a built in bomb shelter per apartment, but some homes are older. What do people living there do? It depends. Some of the older homes still have a communal bomb shelter for the whole building. Some don't, but if the building has an internal staircase with no items made of glass, it can be used to take shelter. But if that's not true either, these residents have to run out of their home and to the nearest public bomb shelter. In Jerusalem, we have a minute and a half to do this (which is better than anywhere else in Israel). But I'm disabled. I don't have a very good chance to grab my bunny and make it into a bomb shelter outside my apartment in less than a minute and a half. So yeah, I'm a bit limited in my housing options.
Yesterday's rocket attack was my first time hearing and responding to the siren after moving into this temporary place, which was the only one with a built in bomb shelter, that I could find in my price range and at short notice. I grabbed my bunny, ran in, meant to shut the door, when I realized that the metal covers for the windows of the bomb shelter aren't closed, and that they can only be closed from the outside. I didn't have enough time to go out, close them, and get back inside. So I just had to hope this time, the rockets or their debris wouldn't land close enough to hit us, or cause a blast that would shatter the glass window.
And these rockets were fired at more than one area of Jerusalem, which means that the sites holy to Judaism, Christianity and Islam in the Old City all came under threat yesterday. Let this sink in: Hamas, which had initiated rocket attacks at Israel on more than one occasion, under the claim that it was defending the al-aqsa mosque in Jerusalem, fired rockets at the al-aqsa mosque in Jerusalem yesterday. This is what it looked like at the Western Wall, right next to the mosque, as Jews who came there to pray had to run for shelter:
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This is what it looked like at the same time on the Temple Mount, by the Dome of the Rock:
The debris of one of the rockets fired by Hamas fell by a hospital in the Palestinian city of Ramallah, which is not too far from Jerusalem. I haven't checked, but I'm willing to bet the supposed pro-Palestinian blogs are NOT ragingly posting about this.
The debris of another rocket fell on a main power line in the city of Beit Shemesh, also in the vicinity of Jerusalem, causing a blackout that lasted for hours.
Meanwhile, in an Arab neighborhood of East Jerusalem (an area where Hamas is pretty popular), when the Israeli Iron Dome intercepted rockets that could have killed the local population, they were recording themselves shouting "Allahu Akbar" and seemingly cheering for Hamas:
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It kind of reminds me that when Saddam Hussein was occupying the Arab country of Kuwait, starting in Aug 1990, making himself a pariah in most of the Arab world (which then chose to join the western coalition against Iraq in solidarity with Kuwait), the Palestinians were celebrating his rocket attacks on Israel.
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After regaining its independence, Kuwait expelled its entire Palestinian population for this disloyalty. Funny how I've never come across a "pro-Palestinian account" that talked about the expulsion of 357,000 Palestinians from Kuwait, even though that's no less than roughly half the number that had to flee the war they started against Israel in 1947.
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Two Hezbollah drones invaded Israel's north today. One crashed, the other one was shot down by the IDF.
In the pic below, on the right, you can see Yahya Sinwar, the leader of Hamas in Gaza, in a defiant pic he took after the end of Operation Guardian of the Walls, in May 2021. For 11 days, Israel responded to rocket attacks from Hamas, supposedly in the name of defending the al-aqsa mosque, while Sinwar hid down in the tunnels. When a ceasefire was achieved, he took this pic, sitting on an arm chair, not too far from one of his homes. That's right, one of his homes. He's not as rich as some of the other Hamas leaders, but he is wealthy enough to have more than one home. Yesterday, the IDF took over Sinwar's home, and "recreated" his pic:
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This is the Almog Goldstein family during this past Hanukkah:
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The father and the eldest daughter were murdered. The mother Chen, and two of her children, were kidnapped to Gaza, and released by Hamas during the hostage deal. Yesterday, she revealed that, as they were being let go, a Hamas terrorist told her to "go north" because they will be back.
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mirmirma · 5 months
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I think I figured out why "anti-zionism isn't antisemitism" bothers me so much for something I agree with.
Israeli Jews need a place to go. I feel like a lot of the anti-zionists sharing their opinions forget this fact. We can't just say, "You have to leave Israel, but you can't go anywhere else either." That's a recipe for a new Jewish genocide if I've ever heard one.
With the rise in hate for Israel, a part of Jewish history, and the rise in antisemitism in general, a lot of Jews don't feel safe in their neighborhoods. I've heard many talk about making Aliyah, aka moving to Israel, to be safer. Frankly, I don't feel safe. I live down the road from a place that was shot up less than a decade ago, and now antisemitism is rising.
There are anti-zionists trying to shut down Jewish run businesses. If they can't make their living when they live now, where do you think those businesses are gonna go? Many menorah lightings have been canceled. If they can't celebrate their religion safely, where do you think the Jews in those areas are gonna go?
To them, there's only one possible answer: Israel.
This is where zionism comes from. This is why people move to Israel.
If you're anti-zionist, the best thing you can do for Palestine is be kind to your Jewish neighbors. Make them feel safe and welcome. Because if they don't, they'll go someplace where they do feel safe and welcome: Israel.
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leandra-winchester · 6 months
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This tweet so excellently demonstrates the types of narratives Israel and Israelis are openly pushing, without remorse or hesitation. It's one of the most overt expressions of a supremacist, racist ideology and too many of these people don't even try to hide, let alone feel ashamed for.
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Israelis Keep Hurting Their Own PR Interests By Talking
One problem Israel keeps running into is how the institutionalized dehumanization of Palestinians which keeps the apartheid state operational also causes Israelis to say things that non-Israelis will find extremely shocking, which hurts Israel’s PR interests.
We saw this illustrated in a recent New Yorker interview with Daniella Weiss, a leader of the push to build illegal Israeli settlements on Palestinian land. Weiss stated frankly and unapologetically that she supports apartheid, that she doesn’t believe Palestinians should have any sovereignty anywhere, that she doesn’t believe Palestinians should have voting rights, that she wants the population of Gaza to be replaced by Israeli settlements, and that she is untroubled by the killing of children in Gaza because she feels it’s being done in the interests of Israeli children.
Asked where the Palestinians in Gaza should go, Weiss replied, “To Sinai, to Egypt, to Turkey.” When the interviewer said the Palestinians are not Egyptian or Turkish, she contended that “The Ukrainians are not French, but when the war started they went to many countries.”
To the question “When you see Palestinian children dying, what’s your emotional reaction as a human being?”, Weiss answered, “I go by a very basic human law of nature. My children are prior to the children of the enemy, period. They are first. My children are first.”
Asked if she believes human rights are not universal and should not apply equally to everyone, Weiss replied “That’s right.”
But perhaps the most revealing statement Weiss made was her entirely truthful explanation of what drives the Israeli push to colonize Palestinian land:
“In Israel, there’s a lot of support for settlements, and this is why there have been right-wing governments for so many years. The world, especially the United States, thinks there is an option for a Palestinian state, and, if we continue to build communities, then we block the option for a Palestinian state. We want to close the option for a Palestinian state, and the world wants to leave the option open. It’s a very simple thing to understand.”
That one paragraph right there will teach you more about the present-day realities of the Israel-Palestine conflict than an entire year of watching CNN. It’s horrid, and it’s jarring to hear it spoken out loud in a favorable way… but it’s true.
This sort of thing has been happening for years. Israelis who’ve been marinating in a self-validating echo chamber of Zionist ideology which dehumanizes Palestinians and normalizes oppression and abuse don’t think twice about saying things that make Israel look bad on the world stage, because to them it’s just the standard status quo way of looking at things.
In 2021 a settler from New York named Yaakov Fauci made headlines around the world with his candid statements to a Palestinian family whose Sheikh Jarrah home he was squatting in.
Fauci, apparently fully aware that he was being filmed, famously replied to the family’s complaints that he was stealing their home by shamelessly telling them, “If I don’t steal it, someone else will steal it.”
And the thing is, he wasn’t lying. He was truthfully describing an abusive dynamic in apartheid Israel where Palestinians are being forced out of their homes in order to control ethnic demographics and advance the agenda outlined above by Daniella Weiss. If he’d been a trained propagandist for the Israeli state he never would have made such comments on camera, but because he was just a Zionism-indocrinated member of the Israeli public he saw no reason to hold his tongue.
Some years ago The Empire Files’ Abby Martin put together a devastating critique of the Zionist ideology just by going around the streets of Jerusalem with a camera and a microphone and talking to Jewish Israelis about their views on Palestinians. Over and over and over again they shared their support for tyranny, murder, genocide and ethnic cleansing in their own words and without hesitation, never thinking that their words could be used to harm Israel’s image, because to them these were just normal things that they said all the time in their day to day life.
You see the same sort of thing when Israelis are filmed sitting in lawn chairs to watch and cheer IDF bombing operations on Palestinian neighborhoods, during which a woman once told the press “I’m just a little bit fascist” after advocating the total destruction of Gaza City.
Every time this happens it sends viral video footage around the internet and does real damage to the world’s perception of Israel. That’s a big part of why Israel is struggling to control the narrative about the Gaza massacre today, which is in turn being exacerbated by more incendiary statements by Israelis, not just from the general public but from within the Israeli government itself.
On Saturday Israeli security cabinet member and Agriculture Minister Avi Dichter casually referred to the violent forced expulsion of Palestinians from the northern half of the Gaza Strip as “Nakba 2023”, a reference to the violent forced expulsion which was inflicted on Palestinians at the establishment of the Israeli state in 1948.
Haaretz reports:
Israeli security cabinet member and Agriculture Minister Avi Dichter (Likud) was asked in a news interview on Saturday whether the images of northern Gaza Strip residents evacuating south on the IDF’s orders are comparable to images of the Nakba. He replied: “We are now rolling out the Gaza Nakba. From an operational point of view, there is no way to wage a war — as the IDF seeks to do in Gaza — with masses between the tanks and the soldiers.”
When asked again whether this was the “Gaza Nakba”, Dichter — a member of the security cabinet and former Shin Bet director — said “Gaza Nakba 2023. That’s how it’ll end.”
When later asked if this means Gaza City residents won’t be allowed to return, he replied: “I don’t know how it’ll end up happening since Gaza City is one-third of the Strip — half the land’s population but a third of the territory.”
Dichter’s comments are surprising not only because Israel has been publicly framing the mass displacement in Gaza as a measure taken solely to protect civilians, but also because the Israeli government has long officially denied that the Nakba ever happened, even passing laws forbidding its history to be taught in schools.
Even as western officials hasten to frame Israel’s actions as a defensive and measured response to the Hamas attack on October 7, Israeli officials have been falling all over themselves in a mad rush to make those western officials look like liars.
When talking about the Gaza assault Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu made headlines by invoking the biblical nation of Amalek, whose people God instructed the Israelites to commit total genocide against. The first book of Samuel contains the instructions, “Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy all that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.”
President Isaac Herzog insinuated last month that all civilians in Gaza are legitimate military targets because they failed to overthrow Hamas, saying, “It is not true this rhetoric about civilians not being aware, not involved. It’s absolutely not true. They could have risen up. They could have fought against that evil regime which took over Gaza in a coup d’etat.”
When announcing the total siege on Gaza which would see the enclave cut off from electricity, food, water and fuel, Israeli defense minister Yoav Gallant stated that “we are fighting human animals, and we are acting accordingly.”
IDF spokesman Daniel Hagari said Israel would turn Gaza into a “city of tents” and that Israel’s “emphasis is on damage and not on accuracy” in its bombing campaign.
Dan Gillerman, Israel’s former ambassador to the UN, said last month that “I am very puzzled by the constant concern which the world is showing for the Palestinian people and is actually showing for these horrible, inhuman animals who have done the worst atrocities that this century has seen.”
“Hamas became ISIS and the citizens of Gaza are celebrating instead of being horrified,” The Economist cites an Israeli general saying last month. “Human beasts are dealt with accordingly.”
“Creating a severe humanitarian crisis in Gaza is a necessary means to achieve the goal,” a major general named Giora Eiland wrote in an Israeli newspaper, adding, “Gaza will become a place where no human being can exist.”
Israel’s allies keep trying to portray it as a rational actor and a positive force in the world, but if you listen to Israelis themselves you get a very different understanding of what this murderous apartheid state is actually about.
As Maya Angelou said, when someone shows you who they are, believe them the first time.
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“Creating a severe humanitarian crisis in Gaza is a necessary means to achieve the goal,” a major general named Giora Eiland wrote in an Israeli newspaper, adding, “Gaza will become a place where no human being can exist.”
But then you hear Israeli officials deny that there even is a humanitarian crisis, live on US and UK television, multiple times. This is all planned and with intent, and such intent, in my opinion, meets the criteria of intent for a genocide or at the very least ethnic cleansing. Those are crimes against humanity.
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jewishbarbies · 4 months
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I'm not Jewish, but reading some posts from Jewish people on your blog really made me reconsider my views on zionism. I believe there must be a state of Palestine and a state of Israel, and that the government of Israel should be punished for its crimes same as Hamas, but it never occurred to me that preaching for the end of Israel wouldn't make anything better, bc the there are people there, people who never wished to be in a war and don't have anywhere else to go if Israel vanishes. I know I probably sound stupid with this newly discovered enlightenment, but anyway
https://www.tumblr.com/orpheuslament/739304346444087296/may-the-state-of-israel-crash-burn-within-our this is fucked up btw
it’s literally the same as any other country on the planet. there’s a government and then there’s a people. if anti fascists actually knew how fascism worked, they’d know how much disinformation, gerrymandering, and fraud has to occur for the corruption to sink in. it’s not and has never been as simple as people voting. it runs so much deeper, and so many millions of people suffer for it. fascism only gets elected once. corruption only gets elected once. once its in, it’s in, and it’s very hard to uproot. which is why so many Israelis protest against the current government every single day. the “death to israel” chant has NEVER meant death to the government - the people who started using that, used it because they wanted death to jews. if more people who truly want better for palestinians and a two state solution did their research into shit like that, there wouldn’t need to be a revelation. humanity would just be understood. for people who claim to be the most caring, the “death to israel” crowd certainly lacks in empathy.
while it does admittedly sound silly, I am genuinely glad you were able to come to that realization and I hope you continue to educate yourself, as well as push back against the people who will try to gaslight you into continuing that antisemitic mindset from before.
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casavanse · 6 months
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Alright, that's it.
i wanted to say this for a while now.
You know what? I'm not gonna tell you you're wrong to side with however you think is right.
But please, please, make sure you know what you're talking about.
I'm not talking here to the Israelis, or the Palestinians, or anyone else that's witnessing this war first-hand. I know nothing I will say will change anything. I'm talking to everyone else; the people in the middle, that all this is probably far away from them.
I'm not saying that one side is right and the other is wrong; but, nowadays, there is so much fake news going around you can't really know for sure what is true and what's not, if you're only looking from one place. From one side.
And worse - there are so many posts (here, or anywhere else) that, sure, yeah, they have true information in them, but not all of it. Sometimes, because it's published on behalf of one side, some aspects of the information are twisted, or completely ignored.
Try looking on both sides. Its possible that both are doing some wrong and some right each; the place where you get the news from just chooses whether to publish that or not.
Don't believe everything you read over the internet. Make your own research. read about both sides from both viewpoints, and think - think for yourself - before you make a decision.
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art-the-f-up · 4 months
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If I came across as snippy or trying to start something, I apologize, I'm barely holding myself together right now. I just saw some of the comments people have made about the situation on your Palestine AU and got frustrated. I want to be sure people have the whole picture, but whenever I try, people shut me down without really listening and blocking me. A guy got my original account deleted for "hate speech" when I posted my story just because they didn't like what I said. That's why I'm staying anon.
The truth is, I have someone over there who's being held in the middle of it all. She went on a school trip a few months ago and was reported missing. My family panicked not knowing what happened, and then a few weeks later all hell broke loose with this war.
My family was furious with Israel, and jumped to the conclusion it was like Russia & Ukraine, but later found out they were trying to take out Hamas, who had taken her and some of her classmates hostage.
No one knows what it's like to have someone over there, and no one seems to try to understand or even care. In their minds, Israel is the big bully and Palestine is the sole victim, but things aren't that black and white. Hell, Israel negotiating for hostage releases is the only reason a couple of her classmates have come home.
Meanwhile, everyone online seems to keep preaching about how Palestine must be free and how they need to stop supporting this war while offering no real alternatives to stopping Hamas, even going so far as to say they are a bunch of freedom fighters who need the support. Sometimes the only options you have are bad ones... But you still have to choose...
I'm not saying what's happening to the innocent people in Palestine isn't a tragedy, or trying to just brush it off, but men who kill without reason cannot be reasoned with. I wouldn't wish this on anyone; knowing those monsters have her is a living hell, and not a day goes by that we don't hope and pray that they'll be stopped, just so my sister can come home.
Sorry for rambling, I just really needed that release. I've said my peace, I promise I won't bother you about it again.
Hey, I completely understand your situation. But we have to admit this is a sensitive topic for many. NOT forbidden, just sensitive. You can expect me to listen to what you have to say and even understand your perspective, but you won't find many people like that when it comes to this topic and that is just what the internet is like. Just because I am understanding you doesn't mean other people are, and they each have their own right to being exhausted with justifications of crimes on any side. If there's anything I've learned it's that pointing fingers in an argument is not going to get anyone anywhere. I am someone who has been trying to hear out both israelis and Palestinians because like anyone else, after oct 7 I wanted to get the whole picture, as you say.
But your entire discussion started with being biased instead of trying to show the whole situation. You started with saying "israel is not the bad guy" but also said "Hamas is a terrorist organization" and I want you to really look at the use of words if you want people to see the "entire picture". Otherwise you ARE going to get shut down. The entire point of starting an argument online is that you first have to claim you've tried to study the complexity thoroughly. Chalking it up to Hamas being a terrorist organization and justifying a genocide is not going to cut that.
I am completely against trying to shut down someone's grief no matter how big or small it is. Everything comes down to the fact that we are all human, we all have feelings and every life matters. I can only send my condolences to the family that's going through this first hand. First of all, if you are actually someone who has been so closely impacted by this, trying to show the 'bigger picture' on the other accounts instead of your own is ALREADY a pretty dangerous thing for you to do, let alone to the art account of a local tribal artist in the north of some little country.
Now I really want you to evaluate your situation. Your family is tensed, is grieving, they are beside themselves with worry. Just thinking about it makes me sad and I sincerely hope that everything safely gets resolved for you and hopefully everyone is safe. But can you seriously say that as soon as your family found out "oh, Israel is just trying to eradicate a terrorist organization by blowing up the very place where the hostages could potentially be" they were…. okay with it?
I understand what it's like. I understand and I care. I grew UP on the stories of people going missing, people being blown up, people getting martyred in Palestine. Trust me I understand what you are going through.
I will never try to justify what happened to civilians on oct 7. it is horrible. What happened on oct 7 and what has been happening in Palestine for years makes no one but the innocent suffer at the hands of evil powers. But you cannot, with all due respect, try to say you're showing a 'bigger picture' when you clearly failed to mention the entire history.
Everyone living in Israel knows they are, first and foremost, living in an apartheid state. It is not that difficult for anyone mature enough to see the situation around them and look up and research to come to that conclusion. And many Israelis have. And many have left. Because they knew what living being such a place will entail for them.
And keep in mind I am also NOT in support of trying to make any Israelis leave, who have documented proof of any of their ancestors being from that land and/or don't have second citizenship somewhere else in the world. I hold them to the same level of rights as I do Palestinians.
I don't need to get into overcomplicated finger-pointing and yelling. You can look up Israeli soldiers shooting their own hostages in Gaza despite them shouting in Hebrew and holding up white flags. And the army only apologized because they were identified as Israeli citizens. How does that differentiate the Israeli army from Hamas? I don't need to pull up multiple sources or proof provided by the Israelis themselves. They are already everywhere. What I've heard and what I've seen from October seven, I'm seeing more and more of it being done by the Israeli Army. So we need to be really careful trying to call one side a terrorist, because that will automatically mean calling the other side the same. Which is true. In terms of definitions, what's happening in Gaza is blatant terrorism.
If Palestine was an apartheid state, you would see me speaking out against them. If Palestine was a colonizer apartheid and the people stood up to fight back against a powerful army with resources far more than that of them, you would see me calling them freedom fighters, not terrorists. Because I did happen to read a little bit about the international laws. I do happen to be from a family with a history of armed freedom fighters.
So yes, I am incredibly sorry that this is impacting you mentally, I hope you and you family stays safe and united, but if the impact is making you say biased things, it's better to go offline, take a break from social media, and spend this time trying to pray for your family and spending time with them.
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7amaspayrollmanager · 4 months
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Many israelis have been saying online "u guys need to realize that we're not going we have to arrive at a solution together" and its like who. are. you. speaking. to. Like u cane up with that idea. Palestinians have advocated for one state for decades in vaaaaaiiiin. And pointing out again u are distracting from gaza and you have no idea how everything has changed. There is no point of return. The people of gaza will choose to forgive you the people of gaza will choose their solution and I don't mean that angrily I mean that literally. if you think that u actually have some semblance of authority or control in this future, you need to realize u don't have any control whatsoever. Its palestinian resistance verses the zionist establishment escalating its colonization and genocide of the palestinion people. Everything has changed I don't know how they don't see that. Palestinians in Palestine know their condition better than anyone else they know the violence better than anyone else. Israel is going to continue to expand, which means its settlers are going to continuously take plots of palestinian land and terrorize the palestinian communities around them with IOF support and palestinians will continue to resist and die and youre asking for "pragmatism." Your people chose this route and have let this happen you cannot morally police the palestinian reaction at all and suggest "co liberation" it's not a thing of substance. there's no such bloc. "Don't you realize 9 million of us are not going anywhere" fucking clearly you guys are not actually in any real danger of being transfered but why do u all continue to make pointless objections to many palestinians who have said that they simply don't want to coexist with you all? And guess who is actually being transferred? Take a hard guess.
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eretzyisrael · 1 month
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by Vijeta Uniyal
With Israeli troops engaged in pitched battles against well-armed and fortified terrorist forces across Gaza, the military “noted a recent reduction of American arms supplies,” the article added.
Prime Minister Netanyahu on Saturday approved a military and humanitarian plan for capturing the Hamas stronghold, the Israeli media revealed.
The NY Sun reported Monday:
President Biden, keeping Prime Minister Netanyahu at arm’s length, is reportedly considering leaving Israel short of the armaments it needs to fight Hamas. Such a politically based move risks harming America’s global interests. By Sunday, Israel must tell America that it is complying with international restrictions on arms supplies, including by facilitating ample humanitarian assistance to Gaza, the national security adviser, Jacob Sullivan, told reporters Monday, adding that it is yet to do so. Meanwhile, a Jerusalem official noted a recent reduction of American arms supplies to Israel, ABC news reports. The Israel Defense Force is running out of 155 mm artillery shells and 120 mm tank shells, as well as sensitive guidance equipment, the official said. (…) In a deep analysis of the Gaza war, the chairman of urban warfare studies at West Point, John Spencer, concluded that Israel “has painstakingly followed the laws of armed conflict and implemented many steps to prevent civilian casualties, despite enormous challenges.” Denying arms to Israel, then, would be a “political decision” that is “not backed by what has actually happened in Israel and Gaza,” Mr. Spencer tells the Sun. It could also backfire if the IDF runs out of precision bombs, Mr. Roggio adds. As in Iraq during the war there, he says, once supply of such arms dwindles, a military quickly moves to using less discriminating munitions, resulting in higher civilian casualty rates.
Biden tells Netanyahu not to attack Rafah stronghold without ‘Washington’s approval’
The revelation comes as President Joe Biden ‘warned’ Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu not to undertake the planned large-scale military operation in Rafah aimed at eliminating Hamas leadership and freeing the remaining hostages.
In a phone conversation that took place on Monday, Biden “warned” the Israeli prime minister “not to act without approval from Washington in a stern phone call on Monday,” the Jerusalem Post reported. “Israel lacks a viable military strategy to eliminate Hamas in Rafah,” the U.S. president said, according to the newspaper.
The Qatari-funded Al Jazeera called it the “strongest public warning yet to Israel against invading” the terrorist bastion.
The NBC News reported the phone call:
During a critical phone call Monday, President Joe Biden warned Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu against Israel’s carrying out a planned military operation in Rafah, the White House said. “Our position is that Hamas should not be allowed a safe haven in Rafah or anywhere else, but a major ground operation there would be a mistake,” national security adviser Jake Sullivan said at the White House briefing where he outlined the leaders’ conversation. “It would lead to more innocent civilian deaths, worsen the already dire humanitarian crisis, deepen the anarchy in Gaza and further isolate Israel internationally,” Sullivan added.
Netanyahu to Biden: “We don’t have any other choice.”
Defying Biden, Netanyahu vowed to go ahead with the planned military operation against the terrorists in Rafah, the Israeli TV channel i23NEWS reported Tuesday:
Prime Minister Netanyahu reportedly told a closed meeting of the Foreign Affairs Knesset committee that “The Americans asked us not to carry out the operation in Rafah, but we don’t have any other choice. We need to have control over the Philadelphi Corridor [Hamas’s main weapons supply route on the Egyptian border].”
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Am I really privileged?
First of all, I'm not going to stop using my platform here, despite all of the death threats and antisemitic slurs you send my way. Why am I posting more about the conflict now? A few comments and anons I got said I'm only posting about this since "I lost my privilege" and are mocking me for complaining.
wanting to live peacefully without the fear of being murdered isn't me being privileged. People I know are dead. My city is under rocket fire. How is this being privileged? You're telling me this safely from your house in the US or Europe. Have some self-awareness, please.
Here are some official numbers in case you forgot:
*More than 8500 rockers were fired, on Israeli civilians, from Gaza during the past month.
*Over 1400 of my people were massacred on October 7th, most of them were civilians.
*There are currently 240+ hostages held by Hamas, in Gaza. Again, most of them are civilians and 38 of them are children.
For a full week, people debated if Hamas beheaded Israeli babies or just peacefully burned them alive. Yet, it took you exactly 1 minute to spread the lie that Israel bombed a hospital in Gaza when all the evidence showed they didn't. What can you do?
Even if you don't agree with anything I wrote here, please do the following: *Report antisemitic users and posts. *Think before you reblog a port: a lot of the diagrams and maps shown in popular posts here are false. *Contact @staff - who are currently ignoring the rising antisemitism harassment Jewish & Israeli users face here.
Stop gaslighting Israeli and Jewish people - the October 7th massacre happened. Hamas' terrorists literally used body cams and live-streamed their attacks. Stop asking for proof!
Almost every Israeli \ Jewish person you harass knows a person who was either killed or kidnapped. These are our families.
Israeli and Jewish users on Tumblr deserve to feel safe, and not harrassed constantly for who they are. We do not control what is happening, nor do we represent our government. In fact, many of us are actively protesting against the current Israeli government.
READ MORE. You don't have a full grasp of the conflict just because you read one article or watched a TikTok. It's been going on for over 100 years. and is more complex than "and then at '48 the Jews came along and started ruining things".
We've been here before, and we're not going anywhere.
The rising rates of antisemitism, including some of the posts here, only prove that Israelis have no other safe place. We have nowhere else to go.
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abigail-pent · 3 months
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will probably delete this later, but... saw a post yesterday that bugged the shit out of me. didn't want to add comments on it because g-d knows I don't need tumblr harassment in my life, of all things, but...
there is an incredibly Western impulse to say Israel is colonialist and therefore we should expect decolonization in that area to look like it did in South Africa or pretty much anywhere else that European nations colonized. and when you say this, it's like... tell me you have no grasp of Jewish history without telling me you have no grasp of Jewish history. tell me you think all Israelis are white colonizers without using those words.
you simply cannot expect that a nation largely composed of *refugees* and the *descendants of refugees* will be treated the same way white South Africans were. or should expect to be treated that way. Western leftist goyim have really taken the "Jews are White > Israel is White" thing way too far... even when we are, which is far less often than many think, we are more often than not treated as acceptable targets for violence because we are Jews. This is simply not true for White former British citizens. their historical experience is not our historical experience. violent antisemitism, including pogroms and massacres, was ALWAYS a feature of diaspora before the creation of the state of Israel, and it's naive to expect that violent antisemitism wouldn't also be a common feature of a post-Israel world. especially when Hamas had "death to the Jews" in its charter for ages, and the Houthis have it now, and Iran has something like it too and funds them both. and yes, I know Hamas took that out of its charter in 2018, but... if you think that the quiet part stops existing when you stop saying it out loud, then I have a bridge to nowhere I'd like to sell you.
like. metaphors have their time and their place. this is not it. some situations are simply not like every other situation that you think kind of looks similar to it on a surface level. I think Westerners in particular find it incredibly easy to look at conflicts in parts of the world they know very little about and go "oh yes, so x is just like y thing we have over here" and ... not everything is. and you'll walk yourself right into a trap of oversimplification if you do that. not to mention that there's a certain arrogance to saying that "x is like y, we solved y already, so why don't you just adopt our solution for x?" it's a kind of chauvinism to assume that x has no important features that Westerners didn't already account for in solving y. it's essentially saying that you think non-Westerners are backwards for not having implemented solution y already.
but most of all it just feels like goyische leftists in the West will tie themselves into all sorts of pretzel knots to feel ok adopting the same slogans as people who have told us and shown us, over and over, that they're interested in committing violence against Jewish people. what happened to "when someone shows you who they are, believe them the first time"?
like... of course that's not what everyone who uses a certain slogan means by that. but there are a lot of people who do mean that. and when both those with and without violent intentions use the same slogan, we can't tell the difference between the two. so tell me, what's the cautious way to approach someone who has like a 1/3 chance of wanting to do you harm? on an interpersonal level, you avoid them.
like don't get me wrong - here's the official Online Jewish Disclaimer - I am very anti Likud, very anti Netanyahu, very anti war crimes no matter who is committing them. but I do not know or pretend to know how to solve this conflict and achieve a lasting peace. and I wish more people understood that you can't arrive at a real solution by erasing one party's current reality or historical experience.
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My Heart Hurts...
My heart hurts for the Israeli civilians who have lost so much and still do not have their hostages back.
The anti-semitism we are witnessing in Canada and I'm hearing about in other countries is unacceptable. It is wrong and should never be condoned and it MAKES NO SENSE.
I strongly condemn the actions of Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. I can't lie, I've strongly disliked this man for a very long time. Ever since I studied him in university. It is Netanyahu and his government who are to blame for the horrible atrocities being perpetrated against the people in Gaza.
The person making the decision to kill innocent Palestinian civilians is Benjamin Netanyahu. No Jewish person in Canada or elsewhere has any control over his decision-making. They are not to blame. In fact, they are victims - may have connections to Israeli civilians who were killed, injured or held hostage.
To quote Annie Lennox "the humiliating indecency" happening to the Palestinian civilians is unforgivable and should be STOPPED IMMEDIATELY. Palestinian civilians are not HAMAS and their lives should not be sacrificed in a war Israel knows it can't win.
At most, Netanyahu can kill the current Hamas leaders but destroying Hamas is not going to happen, especially not the way it is being attempted. Killing countless innocent people in Gaza will only increase those who support Hamas. This war will radicalize civilians. Entire families are being killed and the world does not seem to care.
I can't imagine how people outside of Gaza feel about their friends and family members being killed. So I understand the protests around the world.
Less talked about is the Islamophobic attacks, which are also happening in Canada. I also condemn these.
What happened in Israel on Oct 7 is horrid and unforgivable and I've seen many online complain people don't care enough. I care, I do. But I also care about the innocent Palestinian being killed by the Israeli government. The Israeli government, not the Israeli people or the Jews anywhere else.
Put the blame where it belongs - Hamas committed atrocities to innocent Israeli civilians and Benjamin Netanyahu is responsible for the mass slaughter of innocent Palestinian civilians.
Blaming Jews or Palestinians is wrong and must be stopped. Both of these groups are suffering and deserve our sympathy and grace.
And no, I have no interest in the Israel has a right to defend itself argument - because I believe they do, in the same way, Canada has a right to defend itself - only as far as international laws allow. Israel has perpetrated war crimes and this cannot be condoned by them or any other country.
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So, I feel hopeful for the PJO series (haven't the premiere yet, I'm waiting for my off day) but then as I was searching stuff about it, I ended up finding the whole debacle about Uncle Rick being a zionist? I couldn't find many sources that weren't a bunch of hearsay and calls for boycott of the series, do you happen to know what that's about? (Sorry if this is wierd, you don't have to answer if you don't want to)
So this is why it's good to go back to the original source to make up your own mind (I've linked it here for your convenience). For posterity's sake I've provided by own thoughts on it down below, as well as some additionally needed context:
Disney+ is one of many companies that people have called a boycott for (alongside ones like Starbucks) due to BDS (Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions is a Palestinian-led movement promoting boycotts, divestments, and economic sanctions against Israel). Disney+'s status in the boycott exists separately from claims about Rick Riordan (I haven't seen much backlash about people watching "Wish" or any other disney project recently, by comparison.) I can't comment since I don't actually have Disney+ myself, but have access to it through my technical in-laws who I barely speak to, let alone am going to have honest political conversations with. (I have also, for comparison, gone to Starbucks perhaps 5 times in my 24 years of life out of preference, so like. yeah.)
As for Rick Riordan's statement: he's not a Zionist. The main point of his statement is to express sympathy for the violence affecting both sides of the conflict. Which is true! Civilian hostages were taken and have died, thousands of civilians on the Palestinian side have died, and I've also seen stories of pro-Palestinian Israeli people being harassed and beaten by the IDF. The Hamas have also inflicted harm on the people of Gaza for quite some time.
He also acknowledges that "the Israeli government’s brutal retaliation against the entire population of Gaza has reached genocidal proportions. This is not only an atrocity. It is folly" and how that kind of violence will only create more pain, unstability, and suffering.
He goes on to say "The only real solution is treating each other like equally worthy human beings, and negotiating a peace that allows all parties a chance to live in security and dignity, with hopes for a future that does not include bombs and rockets and gunfire. This means security and support for Israel, yes. It also means a secure Palestine which is allowed to get the international aid and recognition it needs to build a viable state."
So bare minimum, he's a two state solution person. Which isn't that crazy given the context; personally (in my white, previously Christian, Canadian perspective, so grain of salt) I think the easiest path to Progress is 1) defunding Israel's military to enforce 2) a more permanent ceasefire so that 3) a two state solution can be hammered out. That is not a perfect solution and while I hope that eventually Palestine would have total liberation, I'm also trying to look at the situation realistically as a series of steps (not ultimatum endgames) forward to minimize damage and death from getting any worse than it already has.
I also don't think focusing on the dangers of dehumanization is a 'Bad' stance either, given Riordan's context as a close to 60 year old white man American born and raised in Texas, or indeed within the general political climate in America. There are definitely people who are way too pro-Israel (often times because of being unable to see past their emotional trauma) and there are also, likewise, people who refuse to watch themselves for their Antisemitism or Islamophobia (the rise in hate crimes directed at particularly Jewish, but also Muslim, individuals in Canada and the USA). Neither people's lives, anywhere other than people enlisted in active military service, are worthy collateral damage, tbh, because nobody else signed up for this (and the IDF's conscription is an interesting grey room). You shouldn't be cheering over anyone dying, and that's exactly what some people are doing or are trying to inflict. If you're cheering for any and all Jewish civilian deaths in Israel or any other country, or you're cheering for the death of civilian Palestinian people, you are a shit head. Full stop
I think his statement is likely written to both 1) express how he personally feels and 2) written as a response to the deep polarization of the issue at hand. If you can get a wedge in and have people consider, briefly, the propaganda they may be taking without question (particularly for Americans, who are raised on a whole prominent host of pro-Israel sentiment), then it's worthwhile taking the 'neutral' road to me.
I've expressed it before in this post, but Neutral -- genuinely neutral, not "I don't have an opinion bc I'm not informed but my not informed opinion errs on the side of the oppressors because why would kids need to transition lolol?" -- opinions are not a bad thing. It means that, for an ultimately pro-Palestinian person like myself, he's not in my way. Neutral people are not in your way. And that means you can jump over them, and work on combatting the people who are actively hostile and opposed to you (supposedly 'neutral' people included) because that's where the work actually is.
Anyway, that's my two cents. Read the thing, take your time, draw from the people around you that you trust if that's an option for you, figure out how you feel, and make up your own mind about it and what to do about it. Applicability > emotionality and all that. Hope this helped
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Rant: Pinkwashing is a lie
Everytime the Israel-Palestine conflict is in the news, there's the same story: Gay people are asked whom they support in the conflict, and most (around 80%) answer they support Israel. The reason: "Israel is supportive of gay rights, so it seems natural we support them!"
The pro-Palestine side, not being able to accept anyone supporting Israel, drop the pinkwashing arguement. "You guys are so easily deceived. Israel doesn't give two sh*ts about LGBT rights. It's just trying to distract from its human rights abuses by pretending it's gay friendly". Apparently all said in an attempt to have us switch sides
But as a gay man, who has actually been to Israel, I'd like to seize the oppertunity and disagree: Anyone argueing "pinkwashing" is being deceiptive, and today I'm going to explain why.
First of all, it doesn't matter how much Israel advertises itself as gay friendly. You can't deny the fact that it simply is the most gay friendly country in the middle east. By a long shot. Most Palestinians want to destroy Israel, whether through military action, or by enforcing a right of return to Israel (which would make the country cede in its current form). This would mean the literally only country in the Middle East that grants us any form of rights would disappear. How do you expect anyone with just a bit of solidarity to support this?
Second: However it choses to advertise itself, the LGBT rights are still there. All activity has been legal since 1988, long before it was mainstream and they could have used it to "distract" from anything.
And I can pin point the exact reason why this is the case: Israel respects LGBT rights, simply because it respects human rights as a whole. Women, ethnic minorities, and more all see their rights respected. And although I don't want to downplay the struggles they face, even the Israeli Arab fare way better than anywhere else in the Middle East.
But of course, an Israel that respects human rights doesn't fit its enemies agenda. Because if they didn't have a human rights abuser as an enemy, they'd have to admit that there might be legit reasons that Gaza must be blocked (rocket attacks), that there must be walls and check-points accross the West Bank (suicide attacks), and that the occupation must continue (many Palestinians are violent).
So that's how we end up with lies like "pinkwashing". To downplay the fact that Palestinians aren't as harmless as they are made out to be, and their enemy is a human right respecting state. That way, things will fit their narrative. And imho, this is the true propaganda. Not what Israel is doing.
And hey, I'm not even denying the fact that Israel does advertise itself as gay friendly. But this is more like: "We respects human rights, and abuses is not what we're about, even if we have adopt a hard stance with our enemies (who are literally trying to destroy us)". In no way is this to wash away the Palestinian struggle.
But imho, the worst part are the half-facts people use as "proof" that Israel isn't as gay friendly as it appears, namely that A) discrimination still exists, and B) same-sex marriage isn't legal (spoiler alert: it is). Both extremely dishonest arguements.
The first one because you could extend this to any country. In big cities, you'll find acceptance, while on the country side, you'll find less of that. Also, religious people are less accepting, while secular people are more so, etc. Israel is no different, where Tel Aviv, Haifa and maybe (turning five blind eyes) Jerusalem are accepting, while the more rural places aren't so much so.
The second one because it simplifies a complex issue down to a simple conclusion, namely that "Straight marriage is performed, gay marriage is not". Note that i use the word "performed". That's because civil marriage as a whole is not "performed", only "recongized" in the country. You can have it recognized, either when it was performed by a religious authority, or performed abroad. And guess what? In the latter case any marriage is recognized, even same-sex marriages. So technically, marriage is already equal in the country. A fact that is commonly ommited in discussions.
Sure, you could still argue it's an LGBT issue of sorts, because straight couples at least have a chance of being married in the country (when they share a religion), and have less distance to cover than gay couples (who'd have to fly to central Europe to get married, not to Cyprus as straight couples). But realistically, that's a problem with a lack of seperation of church and state. not an LGBT issue. I can guarantee you, once civil marriage will be performed, gay marriage will become legal along with it.
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So yeah, long story short: I don't buy into the queer washing allegations. It seems like just another misinformation campaign launched by the Palestinian side to win the "PR war" against Israel. In particular an attempt to sway gay supporters. But first and foremost, to paint is as a human rights abuser.
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