#blamorder (smooth breeder) has some very. very good looking ones as well

[fjordfolk]

also fci=/=tkc and while tkc is square and conservative in many ways, fci member clubs may be less. so when commenters say things like smooth and rough collies used to be interbred but aren't anymore, this is true for the UK but not necessarily for neighbouring clubs - which deals with the same stock.

#phreelancer i believe also has some US stock now which #the BOB was pure british lines but interesting to see where she takes it #collies are tricky for me because i DO see a lot of very nice moderate roughs - but never in the group ring at crufts #im not a big fan of american OR uk show types tbh - i would like to have both a topskull and expressive eyes please and thank you #blamorder (smooth breeder) has some very. very good looking ones as well #so the scrawny bitch last night - although cute - was an odd pick imo