#and owning slaves(??) like izutsumi and tade

[coyoxxtl]

honestly the whole “shuro owns slaves” thing may be the only valid criticism of him so far, but even that’s p damn misleading. like, Toshiro doesn’t actually own anyone, they’re owned by his father/family, and handled by Maizuru. This doesn’t Excuse him entirely mind you, but I think the details matter here if you’re putting his personal feelings/actions into consideration.

Tade and Izutsumi seem to be the only one’s that others recognize as his “slaves”, because they’re considered “inhuman”, but it’s not only them, Hien and Benichidori are as well. Hien was born into a family that already served the Nakamoto’s, and Benichidori was bought.

But we never see Toshiro order them around or lord his power over any of them. He didn’t demand them to come with him on his quest, he literally begged them for it and showed them gratitude. (worth mentioning this was the first thing he EVER asked them for too, AND he was on his hands and knees. idk a lord’s heir kneeling to his “slaves” sounds unheard of imo) Also, we know he’s concerned for Tade, because she is a little Too Happy to be owned by his father, but he keeps quiet about it. That’s his whole thing, being a passive pushover who doesn’t speak up even when he needs to. If he can’t say anything to an annoying white guy he sure as hell can’t speak up against his father/country owning slaves. But considering that this flaw of his has recently been challenged, I believe he’s now more likely to speak up against this.

But who can say, I personally don’t see Toshiro as a malicious guy for this alone. He isn’t completely blameless, but he’s by no means an active perpetrator, especially since he has shown Multiple Times he doesn’t ascribe to his family’s way of doing things. He and his father dislike each other for this, Toshiro isn’t even guaranteed to be the family heir, despite being the eldest. (I think his brothers were literally born to avoid that tbh) At this point his flaws aren’t any more or less problematic than any other character in the series. (Kabru doesn’t see Kobolds or Orcs as people, same with Marcille, Laios and Falin think mountain people are savages, The Canaries are prison slaves etc) Sorry to say most of our beloved characters would barely bat an eye at something like that.

Also I think it’s funny that people hated Toshiro because he was mean to Laios and only recently are y’all bitching about the slave thing. Just say you hate the guy for hurting white boy feelings and go.

#txt #toshiro nakamoto #dungeon meshi #SHRUG I GUESS

[gothiethefairy]

i personally find it funny amongst the shuro arguments, if someone mentions he technically owns slaves*, another person will go "um actually, his dad owns slaves."

like that makes it any better lol

if shuro's rich dad owns slaves, then that means his family including himself owns slaves. not that hard to understand lol

*the slaves are tade and izutsumi. they were bought, with money. bc they were seen as property. demihumans in the dunmeshi world have the least amount of rights.

#gothie's opinions #dungeon meshi spoilers #his attitude about the demihuman slave trade is another reason why i think he sucks lol #'yeah i know it's bad but i just won't say anything about it.' uugghhh

[funnywormz]

the toshiro hate discourse is crazy on twitter and tiktok lately. not only they're hating on him for being a jerk to Laios but also having a crush on Falin. they're saying he was hypocritical for liking Falin's personality when she's very much the same to Laios, the guy he find annoying. and also for being in the way of Marcille x Falin ship.

now I love the Farcille ship but dear lord do you have to go this far just to hate on toshiro.

one last thing, this one I don't see alot but is so awful and is that some fans think toshiro is a slave owner (??) cus his family bought izutsumi and tade to work as fighters wtfff

YEAH i find the people who hate on toshiro because of farcille odd because he doesn't even get in the way of it? like he just has a crush on falin but she doesn't feel the same way about him anyways. it's also strange when people act like falin and laios are exactly the same and call toshiro a hypocrite for liking falin. falin is very gentle and kind whereas laios is definitely a bit more loud and abrasive at times. i think toshiro struggled to be around laios because laios was overstimulating and exhausting for him, whereas falin wasn't any of those things. they're two very different people so i don't think it's weird that he likes one and dislikes the other

i think maybe the "slave owner" criticism has a little more merit? because his parents do literally own them, and izutsumi at least had a curse put on her by maizuru which was meant to prevent her from escaping. so like....... they are literally slaves and are under the control of his family/maizuru. although toshiro doesn't own anyone himself and was just a kid when his parents "bought" tade, izutsumi etc., he's still complicit in the aspect that he still uses the labour of these people. he does know it isn't right, and has considered talking to tade about it, and lets izutsumi go when she escapes. but he doesn't make any effort to free them himself, doesn't ask maizuru to remove the curse on izutsumi, and overall just seems to view the fact that his family are slave owners and human traffickers as something mildly uncomfortable rather than the evil awful thing that it is.

i don't think toshiro is a bad person, and he does know what his family is doing is bad, but he's also a very passive person. he's so reserved and anxious about social interaction that it interferes with him telling the truth to laios, but also gets in the way of him properly criticising or standing up to his father in a way that would make a difference, or making a big step like actually talking to tade about how her situation isn't fair at all. so yeah while it wouldn't be accurate to call him a slave owner, i think he is somewhat complicit in the practice of it and deserves criticism for that

idk i don't think toshiro is a horrible person as some in the fandom paint him out to be, and there are a lot of ways people insult him that are just straight up mischaracterisation/projection/etc. but at the same time he isn't perfect and i think there are valid reasons for people to dislike him. but i definitely do agree with the first part of this ask in that most of the reasons people have for hating him are just rlly silly lol

(i hope i approached this topic properly btw, i know slavery is a very dark and sensitive topic for many people and the last thing i would want to do is undermine the severity of it)

#tysm for the ask btw! #i hope i don't sound too nitpicky here but i do think there are genuinely some aspects of toshiro which deserve criticism #it's just that many fans completely miss those and make up stuff abt him to get mad at instead lol #slavery mention cw #slavery mention tw