#and honestly if we're tossing the timeline there's no reason it even had to be 49 that it ended

[queenlucythevaliant]

Relistening to Dawn Treader. And started thinking about when Coriarken would have been in the heavens. My initial thought was "I wonder if he was a star lucy and Edmund knew of" but then I remembered that they were only.... let's say. 10 generations, 500 or so years let's say (my family had 3 generations per century. Than add a handful more to account for disarray in Narnia.) So he probably wasn't. But then, how much time was between Helen and Frank and Narnias golden age. Also, how many people fell through the old chasms and chinks in between the worlds. So what percentage of the population is decended from Frank and Helen and what is various others?? When was Coriaken oh high???? How long has he been down????? How old is the land of Narnia???? Ahhhhhhhh

(All rhetorical, but thought you would enjoy it as well)

You know, it's funny, I've often had similar thoughts regarding Ramandu. Because he actually says “I am Ramandu. But I see that you stare at each other and have not heard that name. And no wonder, for the days when I was a star had ceased long before any of you knew this world, and all the constellations have changed.” And of course, that "you" includes Edmund and Lucy.

And like. If Jack's timeline is to be believed (it isn't), that means he's been on R&R for at least 1300 years, likely more. Plus, there's only another 1400 years of Narnian history after this, so even if Ramandu returned to the skies the day after the Dawn Treader left, he's still missed out on a sizeable chunk of Narnian history... I'd have to imagine that Coriakin's situation is similar, to say nothing of any other stars that might need a rest or a time out at some point.

So it only makes sense for Narnian history to be a lot longer and more expansive than Jack indicated, right? I mean obviously the timeline's bogus, that's not news to anyone. But it's moments like this that (at least in my mind) reinforce the notion that Jack must have envisioned a much longer history for Narnia too, prior to writing the timeline. And ultimately, who cares? Narnia isn't about the Deep Lore and nitpicking like this kinda misses the point. But also-- I care! I have invested so much of myself into this fairytale world I want it to make some internal sense!

SO yeah, of course, I know exactly where you're coming from and absolutely enjoy your ramblings :)

More Narnia is always best, so I choose to think that Narnia lasted for tens of thousands of years. Ramandu and Coriakin both returned to the skies. People fell through the cracks far more often than one might think. The Calormens, obviously. But also others. Maybe even someone from 2022. Time is strange between the worlds, so I don't see any reason for the fact that it ended in 1949 to preclude a few visitors today.

#thanks for sending this in #i love rambling about this stuff #<3 #ask me hard questions #narnia #and honestly if we're tossing the timeline there's no reason it even had to be 49 that it ended #i mean Digory had white hair and like. he's only in his sixties in 49 #but i digress

[spirallabyrinthpodcast]

For the most recent episode- a thought (cursed crack theory) popped into my head when Jules was mentioning the Egyptians and what they buried in their coffins for rebirth: What if it really is Jesse's funeral and he actually is dead... but for real this time?

We all know that necromancy needs a life for a life, and there's a balance that needs to be righted, or else it will blight the life of the person who did the spell. What if Jesse decides by the end of Chain of Thorns there is no other way to help Lucie but to return to the grave? (Cassie did say that a person we care for will die?) Jesse was never really supposed to live again- it would make sense that he realises it's the only way to restore balance and makes the sacrifice.

And follow it- we all think Lucie and Jesse are supposed to the ones to continue one section of the Blackthorn line and maybe they do but what if... the adopted baby teased by Cassie is actually Lucie and Jesse's? (not really loving a teen pregnancy storyline but anyway-) Who would step up and help Lucie with the baby?

Just a quick cursed thought that ran through my mind when I was listening and so I had to share.

😘 😘 😘

Gillian!!

AH! Okay. First of all. I definitely had the same thought about this potentially being Jesse's legit tomb/evidence of his funeral. I can't remember now why I dismissed it, but it is such an interesting concept, and looking at it now, I honestly wouldn't even consider it a crack theory?

Like Bry brought up in the episode, there's a possibility that the items in the coffin are all relics from a lost battle. And it would make sense for them to put the items in Jesse's coffin as a way to honor him, his memory, his sacrifice as it may be. It would also make sense for Jesse's body not to be in the coffin if (a) he was able to have the funeral rites of a regular member of the clave and the Merry Thieves et al. just wanted to have their own special funeral for him, (b) he sacrificed himself in a different realm/dimension, or (c) if his body burned up somehow to show the significance and the finality of a payment for necromancy, so to say--especially since this kid's poor body's been through so much, and with all the spells placed on it and the history of possession it's really become an entity in itself.

It's interesting that you say we all think the Blackthorn line we love will come from Lucie and Jesse.. because I think Bry and I have pretty much come to the conclusion that it won't. A few of the reasons (the latter two here are directly from Bry) we think that are:

The mere fact that there is another line, despite us not having met them, and the fact that they have been brought up more than once. There wouldn't be much point in separating the family into the Cornwall line and the Leeds line if that wasn't going to be significant in some way.

Annabel, who comes from the Cornwall line, is very much likened to our modern Blackthorns, which is also indicative of how Malcolm picked our Blackthorns to cozy up to.

Tessa likely would have cared more about our Blackthorns if they did come from Lucie. Like how she eventually reaches out to Jace to show him around Herondale Manor etc.

I gotta admit, it would be a crazy twist if Lucie did get pregnant, but I think that within the timeline we're confined to and knowing Cassie, it doesn't seem very likely. The tease about the adopted baby, at least where it's linked on the wiki, dates back to 2015, and it is very tease-esque--like a could be real, could be complete bs kind of thing--so I'm not sure how much weight we should let that have. Though I do think I've seen people tossing around the theory that it will be Sona's baby that will need to be adopted 👀

All that to say, if our Blackthorns did come from Lucie/Jesse, and if Lucie does get pregnant and bad things happen while they're in Cornwall, it would make sense that they would go to the resource that's closest to them, which would be Jesse's distant relatives. So maybe if Cassie's teaser rings true and if it's a Ghostwriter baby, it can still end up being raised in Cornwall, where eventually Andrew Blackthorn would be raised. It would certainly tie the pieces together.

That being said, there's a little worm in my brain telling me that Lucie would try and raise the kiddo by herself and eventually a healed Matthew would find himself helping out with the child because I'm nothing if not a vehicle for Fairondale brainrot smh

Thank you so much for sharing this!! Honestly I think it would explain so much, and answer a lot of questions/problems. (Though, I am also not loving the idea of a teen pregnancy storyline..)

I'm curious if anyone else has any thoughts on this!

Jules ♡

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