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如今的信息化科技互联网时代,人们都享受着网络带来的便捷,由于网络监管的困难,同时也给我们带来了一些烦恼。俗话说的好森林大了,什么鸟都有,虽然总的来说绝大数人都是安分守法的借助网络带来给我们的方便创业,发展等,然而也有些不发分子企图利用网络来制作包装华丽的黑平台实施诱骗,所以,如何选择正规平台发展,如何防范进入黑假平台都诱饵避免不必要的损失。成了我们面临的第一个关键选择,选择对了,后患无忧,选择错了,必将损失。在这里跟大家分享几点选择正规平台的小小经验:正规的平台有自己你实体现场,你可以找到平台的具体位置。你在网上投注是与现场的现场客人同步下注的,你在网投时就可以看到现场里面的所有情况,现场到底有多少现场客人在玩。其次就是在你确定平台有自己的实体公司之后要向平台要求现场视频验证。
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所谓AG真人视讯都是骗人的,大家千万不要相信AG网投,都是骗人的。你们一定想问为什么说是骗人的!接下来我就跟你们详细说说AG的黑幕。你们为什么会输那么多钱的原因就是这个是一个很假的电子平台,这就像一个无底洞填不满的!澳门某网投?人是真的,不过牌是假的吧。
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首先真人游戏就是现场有赌徒在玩的才叫真人,而不是叫几个穿着暴露的菲律宾女佣就叫真人了。而且澳门赌场里的荷官随便都比他们有气质!还有就是现场是来自世界各地的赌徒络绎不绝的下注!不像这个现场一个人都没有,这场地太廉价了吧!那么他们的牌靴是否有电子作弊系统?扑克牌是普通的纸牌还是特制的可以变化点数的电子牌?扑克牌为什么放进红色框?是否可以感应点数?那么现场���哪里?如何验证真伪?既然是正规的合法的赌场,为什么不打开门做生意,让全世界想赌的人进去玩。
目前还有一种网上网投平台,就是缅甸网投直播现场,这类的网站的视频是无法做手脚的。因为他在当地是有政法部监管的,还有实体现场玩家的全程监督。所以无法作假。可是我们为什么还是会输呢?这就要看个人的心态了,其实赢的也有。赢钱的谁会告诉你他赢钱的?但是输钱的就不一样的,会到处跟朋友说输了多少多少。所以在玩网投时心态很重要,赢钱了要懂得收手。
有法律保护的赌场赌是不会黑客人的钱的,因为只要有人举报或投诉,当地相关部门就会立即调查,如果是真实的就会对其公司查封。所以正规平台是不敢黑客人的钱的。因为他们还要正常营业,没必要因小失大。网上网投在网络平台上正规的都可以现场视频验证。正规实体平台官方网址登录注册进去即可观看火爆现场大厅,你可以在平台上清清楚楚的看见大厅里面的一切,正规平台都是现场洗牌,验牌,过牌,切牌,透明牌靴,现场当面杀赔,先发牌后下注,保证公平,公正,公开全都透明模式下运营那才是实体靠谱平台。
所以选择网投时一定要选择正规实体平台的。最后告诫大家,那些所谓打着高彩.金,高返水等类似广告平台,大家千万不能去贪,这些都是黑假平台的引诱套路,一但陷入进去就别想着全身而退。(一定会被黑)一定要记住,正规的平台是不可能给你多少优惠的。
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现在网上随便一搜都能搜到什么正规网投平台、什么靠谱的网上网投三合一平台、什么可以视频验证的网投平台等等太多的网投平台。但是,你知道这些网投平台那个才是真正的正规实体呢?玩过AG的不用说应该都懂,有些玩家在某些虚拟网投平台上面赢了却提不出来,说都不用说那是遇到黑平台了。 我想着输者更多些,能赢的几乎少之又少。其实大多AG虚拟网投都是出自一个端口,当然不否认也有真平台,但是真的网投平台很少。然而您能区分开来真正的真平台与假平台吗?要怎样分辨呢?在这里小编教大家几点辨别正规实体网投平台的方法,希望能帮助大家:1.有没有实体现 场,了解现 场的具体位置,现 场玩家多不多(有实体现 场,能和现 场玩家同步玩耍的才是正规实体网投平台)。2.具有雄厚的资金链,出款速度是否快速(正规实体出款一般是5分钟,而且不会找任何什么审核、打流水之类的借口)。3.是不是先发牌后下注,是不是用铅笔点牌,透明牌靴(正规实体华纳国际先发牌后下注,而且是铅笔发牌)。4.是否能在网上通过视频验证与实体现 场同步来证实(正规实体华纳支持现 场视频验证,全程操作必须是透明模式)。5.可切换视频的任何角度以便查看是否有真 人实景的现 场大厅。(不会注册可以联系公司咨询V扣【1246653430】帮忙或者咨询注册操作步骤),打开注册会员账号,登陆即可观看火爆现 场大厅。微信
 尊敬的牌友你好,如果您看到这篇文章请停留三分钟,如果您是网投爱好者更要好好的看看这篇文章的内容,网投您真正的了解(网投)这个词汇吗,现在网上随便一搜都能搜到什么正规网投平台。什么靠谱的网上网投三合一平台、什么可以视频验证的网投平台等等太多的网投平台,所谓的这些网投平台其实就变相的在网上做的菠菜行业,玩过的不用说应该都懂,有些人更在某些网投平台上面赢钱了直接提不出来,说都不用说那是遇到黑平台了。我想着输者更多些,能赢的几乎少之又少。其实大多网投都是出自一个端口,当然不否认也有真平台,但是真的网投平台很少。然而您能区分开来真正的真平台与假平台吗,要怎样分辨呢,
小编在这里为您解开这个难题首先让您先了解一下什么是假平台。
1.有没有实体现场,了解现场的具体位置,现场玩家多不多。
2.具有雄厚的资金链,出款速度是否快速。
3.是不是先发排后下注,是不是用铅笔点排,透明排靴。
4.是否能在网上通过视频验证与实体现场同步来证实。
5.全程人工操作、必须是透明模式。
6.可切换视频的任何角度以便查看是否有真实的现场大厅。
7.如果没有达到以上条件的,那就毋庸置疑肯定是假的平台,
千万不能玩。正规的平台都具备以上条件。
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靠谱的网投真人实体现场同步在线的平台
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其实在网上找一个正规的真人实体平台并没有玩家们想象的那么难,首先必须知道那些网投是正规的,在这里诚心诚意的提醒大家一句,玩家们在网上看见的澳门网投还有冒充正规公司网投都是假的黑网接口平台,他们的外表很华丽,诱惑力也是十足,让人看了就想进去充值,再加上黑网还用送分,大额度的优惠送彩金,充值送体验金等等….的方式去吸引玩家进入黑平台,他们的方式诱骗了很多人,因为就那芝麻点的彩金而进入游戏充值,你划算吗?,可当你赢钱了要存款的那一瞬间,最大的问题来了!,网站客服会告诉你系统存款通道被封控正在维护,出款需要审核等等一系列的借口和理由就出来了,存款却不需要审核,提款却要审核等等,这就是黑网接口平台,也就是网络诈骗,黑网站的后台资金很薄弱,成本资金低的吓人,说出来可能大家的相信度不是很强,黑网赚钱的方法就是黑玩家们的钱,诱惑你的贪念,赢了就不给你出款,这就是黑网站的做风,黑网平台本来玩家就少,所以只能去一个黑一个,这样才能维持正常营业平台生活,这就是黑网借款平台的正在面目。不贪小便宜找个正规的网上网投,拼自己努力赚更多的钱,拿得放心,舒心 真正的网上博彩都是上下分快、充值快、提款更快,所以说腾龙博彩娱乐公司,不怕您赢多少钱提不了款,就怕你不选择。
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内容全部都是个人意见与理解。这是之前为了活动写的,我个人认为谈不上对维吉尔分析,大概类似于某种梳理。
翻译还是可爱的deepl(翻译器)做的。
如果有什么错误或者问题请告诉我。
欢迎各种讨论。
The content is all personal opinion and understanding.This was written for activities before. Personally, I don't think Vergil can be analyzed. It is probably similar to some sort of combing.
The translation was done by the lovely deepl (translator).
Please let me know if there are any mistakes or problems.
All discussions are welcome.
维吉尔的童年曾经发生了什么
其实关于维吉尔在那天经历,官方有过非常明确的提及。
What happened to me in Vergil's childhood
In fact there is a very clear official reference to Vergil's experience on that day.
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父亲下落不明,那场火灾中母亲和胞弟因为未能及时赶回而死于仇人之手,在多年的行踪不明下,有在后续无尽的追杀中幸存下来。
尚且年幼维吉尔在童年经历这一一系列的变故后,认为弱小——也就是我们通常对当时发生的所有一切都无能为力的现象,他认为是一种罪。
弱小对于他而言是一种负面的表现。
他出现问题就会把问题归类于这是自己出现了问题而不是外部原因所造成的,看到这里,反过来我们也许会思考,为什么弱小会被他归类于是自己的问题?
没能保护母亲,没有能保护一同出生也没有任何想要共同承担起家庭责任的弟弟,又或者说他已经承担代替父亲保护母亲保护这个家的愿望彻底的破灭。
这所有的一切都是他的责任,所以他不应该怨恨其他人,没能保护好自己是过于弱小没有拥有力量的问题,而没有去思考别人伤害他这个行为根本就是错误的。
没有能力反抗伤害也是因为自身的弱小所造成的。
他将所有的问题都归纳在自己,是自己年幼无知的幼稚想法才让他失去了一切。
他“想要”很多东西,但“想要”这种需求对他而言是一种错误的贪婪行为。但凡他想要什么的时候,这种行为就会被归类于错误的一端,错误的欲望应当被压制,这让他兄长身份赋予超过这个年龄所有拥有的重压。
对于兄长的这个身份,不仅仅是他是他对自己的要求,其中还包含的有母亲对他的家庭角色定位,以及嘱托和期望。
从剧情中考虑伊娃只是一个普通的人类,一个年轻的单身母亲,亦不是圣母。就算是普通的家庭里,对于长子应该承担多一点做法也是完全合情合理的要求。
唯独在这样的家庭里,这种要求变成了对自己的苛责,在这样的家庭里,昔日的英雄下落不明,年轻的母亲因为需要带着孩子躲避灾祸而忧心忡忡,唯一能减轻母亲的负担的只有自己,在这样的情况下他还需要塑造达成兄长这样一个角色。
在这里,他角色定位被反复强调,他是什么样的角色远比他是谁更为重要。
His father's whereabouts are unknown, his mother and brother died at the hands of enemies when they failed to return in time from the fire, and after years of uncertainty about his whereabouts, he survived the endless chase that followed.
Still young, Vergil, having experienced this series of changes in his childhood, considered weakness - that is, the phenomenon that we are usually powerless against all that is happening at the time - to be a sin.
Weakness is a negative for him.
When he has a problem, he attributes it to the fact that it is his own problem and not to an external cause.
He had failed to protect his mother, his brother who was born with him and had no desire to share the responsibility of the family, or his desire to protect his mother and the family in place of his father had been completely dashed.
All of this was his responsibility, so he shouldn't have resented the others, failing to protect himself was a matter of being too weak to have power, and not thinking about the fact that the act of others hurting him was simply wrong.
The inability to resist harm is also the result of one's own weakness.
He blamed himself for all the problems, and it was his own childish thoughts of youthful ignorance that cost him everything.
He "wanted" many things, but the need to "want" was for him an act of misguided greed. But whenever he wants something, this behaviour is classified at the wrong end of the scale, and the wrong desire should be suppressed, which puts the weight of his elder brotherhood on him beyond all that he possesses at this age.
The role of older brother was not only a requirement for him, but also included his mother's role as a family man, and her wishes and expectations of him.
Considering the plot, Eva is just an ordinary human being, a young single mother, and not a saintly mother. Even in an ordinary family, it is a perfectly reasonable request that the eldest son should be given more responsibility.
Only in such a family, where the whereabouts of the former hero are unknown, where the young mother is worried because she needs to take the child away from the calamity, where the only one who can relieve her burden is himself, and where he needs to shape up to reach the role of older brother.
Here, the positioning of his character is repeatedly emphasised, the kind of character he is being far more important than who he is.
在三代里,阿卡姆曾经这样形容过爱丽丝。
In the DMC3, Arkham once described Alice in this way.
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被人讨厌的孩子,也不受到父母的喜爱,这个孩子自己都讨厌自己。
所以迫切希望长大,能够让自己坚强起来,不想再当一个幼稚的孩子。
维吉尔情形与她是类似的,当天因为生气的缘故跑了出去,然后发生那样的悲剧,而出去的理由对一个小孩子而言再正常不过。
三代漫画人物简介中,你会看到维吉尔认为母亲更偏爱但丁,在漫画VOV的剧情也得以见到这种想法的根源。
剧情很明显的向我们表达出:但丁让维吉尔陪自己玩,而维吉尔想要独处,最后在明显不是由自己挑起事端的状况下,母亲仍然责怪他,认为他应该迁就弟弟的要求。
这样的情况在家庭有复数孩子经常会出现——让年纪大一点的迁就年幼的孩子。当他们之间发生争执,那无论什么原因,错的都是年纪大一点的孩子,因为年幼应该被保护应该被善待仿佛是一种理所当然的存在。
这事一种显而易见的偏袒,当然在这里我们并不是要争论这个行为的对错,而是同样尚且年幼的维吉尔也同样知道这样的偏袒行为是一种不公正对待,就算他比弟弟早出生那么几秒钟,那他也希望周围的对象能和他一样以理服人,而不需要母亲以大道理来偏袒弟弟,用这种方式来苛责自己。
The child who is hated is also not loved by his parents; the child himself hates himself.
So desperate to grow up and be able to toughen myself up and not want to be a childish child again.
Vergil was in a similar situation to her, having run away that day in anger and then having a tragedy like that, for reasons that were perfectly normal for a small child.
In the character profiles of the three generations of comics, you will see that Vergil believes that his mother prefers Dante, and you will be able to see the roots of this idea in the storyline of the comic VOV.
The plot is clearly expressed to us: Dante asks Vergil to play with him, while Vergil wants to be left alone, and in the end, in a situation where it is clear that he did not start the trouble, his mother still blames him, believing that he should have accommodated his brother's demands.
This is often the case in families with more than one child - the older child is allowed to give way to the younger one. When there is an argument between them, it is the older child who is at fault for whatever reason, because it is as if the younger child should be protected and treated well as if it were a matter of course.
This is a clear case of favouritism, and of course we are not arguing about the rightness or wrongness of this action, but Vergil, who is also young, knows that such favouritism is an injustice, even if he was born a few seconds before his brother, and he wants to be surrounded by people who are as reasonable as he is, and does not need his mother to favour his brother with her reasoning and to criticise himself in this way.
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因为弱会导致死亡,无论他者还是自身。
可以看出DMC3维吉尔名台词:「没有力量你无法保护任何东西,即使是你自己」的由来。
兄长的身份让他���为自己应当承担责任,承担父亲的遗产等等,但悲剧变故是引发他扭曲责任感的源头。
三代漫画人物简介中你也可以看到,维吉尔认为但丁分走了属于自己一半的力量。
正义基本要素就是公平。
你有母亲的爱与保护,那父亲的力量归属就给我了吧,这是公平的。
你有母亲的保护,那我要父亲的保护,这是公平的。
为什么这个是你的,这个也是你的呢?这不公平。
在DMC5我们可以看到经典那一幕,V在说完斯巴达之刃(父亲)保护了但丁之后情绪严重失控。
说出了:“如果你不存在…………”
这句话可以引申出很多含义:如果你不在的话,自己就能拥有全部力量去保护母亲,母亲就不会死。如果你不在话,父亲也会保护我之类。
经过以上举例,我们会发现这些引申都是一些人很常见的想法,打开网络页面去搜索或者询问身边有兄弟姐妹的朋友,会发现这些情况是存在的,他们或多或少存在过以上这些问题,毕竟兄弟姐妹的存在,确实一定程度上分走本可能全部属于自己的资源。
孩子自私希望全部都属于自己,是人之常���。
当然,公平性是很重要的,但公平性也会有非常残忍的一面。
就如同你有一盒子巧克力,决定奖励给学生,通过考试测验,你奖励给了学习成绩更好那一个,因为你认为他很努力所以学习成绩好。
而这一刻公平性残忍出现在地方是:有其他孩子,因为下课之后还需要帮助父母工作,导致他学习时间与精力不能与其他人相比,于是他成绩不如其他人。
知识测试题目,人人都一样,所以这是公平,但每个人拥有学习时间、资源却并不一致;于是这就出现非公平。
弱者与强者同台比拼,靠体能决定胜负,但为什么这是不公平?因为弱者与强者之间体能本身就已经天差地别。
理同恶魔与人类,人类就是比恶魔在体能上弱小,所以恶魔与人类之间如果存在斗争,那就是不公平,是强者在欺负弱者。
于是,我们就可以称呼该行为属于非正义行为。
这也是为什么当我们看到,体育运动这类带有竞争性比赛上,在各方面不占先天优势的人赢了占先天优势的人,会如此热血沸腾的缘故之一。
维吉尔对公平性要求是刻入骨子的程度,从DMC5中他复活后与但丁对话到DMC1中黑天使从不偷袭而要求堂堂正正战斗,都能体现这一点。
无论对手是谁,堂堂正正是要务,大概只能阿卡姆能够破列吧,虽然阿卡姆其实不算对手。
维吉尔(V)在漫画里面不断责问自己,他的责问并不是,【自己为什么没有赢】而是【自己为什么会输】。
为什么没有赢与为什么会输,看起来是相同的东西,但提问方向是不一样的。
【为什么没有赢】是处于认为自己各方面条件都很好,没有破绽的是应该会赢才对;而【为什么会输】责问是自身到底那里做的不够好,才导致失败。
这其实也是符合维吉尔内在归因的问题。
他认为他与但丁之间应当是平等,而不是一高一低。
在VoV漫画里面有一段监督关于:在V噩梦中为什么出现的是叛逆而不是力之刃的解析。 是因为维吉尔觉得,叛逆与阎魔都是各自属于他们,而斯巴达之刃是属于他们共同所有的。
而但丁与维吉尔在经历那一天之后,他们所在社会、拥有的资源已经完全不一致。
维吉尔所在的社会看起来是人类的社会,但实际是恶魔的丛林社会。
蒙杜斯的追杀让他一直生活一个恶魔丛林里面,这个丛林唯一的法则就是:弱肉强食。
谁也不能够完全付托信任,天知道那是不是蒙杜斯派来恶魔伪装的。
“同伴”“信仰”那是与恶魔毫无关系的东西,甚至是导致其丧命的。
另一边的但丁用他自己所说的最为合适「グルーに言われた通りだぜ。オレは大甘の甘ちゃんで、 奴やあんた に甘えっぱなしだったんだな」
【一切确如格鲁所说,我以前太天真单纯/天真到傻,尽跟他还有你撒娇/尽是依赖你们】
但丁遇到了愿意保护他愿意引导他的格鲁、待他如同自己孩子的尼尔(妮可的婆婆)。
可以说但丁在一个充满爱的环境下长大,有能够依赖的人,能够像孩子一样长大。
我们看新闻或者小说也会经常提到,那种单亲家庭或者孤儿的孩子,会比一般孩子更早熟一点,并不是他们心理状态真的已经是完全的成年人了,而是环境迫使他们必须承担更多东西。
在生活中得像成年人一样处事或者工作,老成的可怕。
但丁自己的话,自证他并没有变成那种老成可怕的人。
这里不是说,谁比谁更惨一点,没有比惨的意思。
而是在说,他们两个人从那一天开始,遇到的人/事,生活的环境是不一样的,经历也不一样,拥有的资源更不一样。
这些都是让他们为何看起来如此不同关键之一。
当然维吉尔介意从来不是,但丁待遇更好资源更好,而是父母。
V的台词:“我也曾想要爱与保护,但我孤身一人,除了生存别无选择。”
这里爱与保护,不论是英文还是日语表达都是过去时,是曾经渴望过的东西,而他现在已经放弃不再“贪心”,再结合前面V在斯巴达之刃那里失控,还有但丁对U所说的“母亲并没抛弃你。”
我们其实可以得出V(维吉尔)真正介意的并不是但丁比他幸运比他过的好,但丁拥有一切包括名声等等其实都可以都不在乎的,内心唯一纠结妒忌过的是父母的保护与爱。
可是想要,甚至妒忌弟弟能有父母的爱与保护。
这一点上连维吉尔自己都在鄙视自己。
在遭受痛苦的时候,孩子渴望父母保护是非常天然的一件事情,对于孩子来说,父母是如同神一样的存在。
那么在遭受恶魔袭击的维吉尔而言,会产生希望母亲来救自己的想法,是非常自然的一件事。
而孩子在遭受痛苦时候父母没有出现,会产生遭受遗弃感觉也是非常理所当然的结论。
我们可以在很多儿童心理学上找到无数的案列,甚至在日常生活中见到,有这样的一些人,他们会逗弄孩子,告诉他:你妈妈没来找你就是不要你了。这些行为都会将孩子弄哭,甚至产生对孩子的心理造成严重的影响。
这让很多人批判这种逗孩子的行为,也有很多人在网络上发表自己遭受过这种行为后留下很多心理阴影,多年都无法释怀。
当然,人在遭受自己无法抵抗苦难的时候,渴望得救想法也是非常自然的事情。
这种想法与维吉尔想要保护自己的母亲的想法完全是不矛盾的。
可为什么要鄙视这种自然而的想法呢?
因为作为这种想法是作为一个兄长、保护家庭的角色定位里面不应该有的。
或者换成那种最令人厌恶的表达方式,就像有亲戚告诉你:你妈妈怎么来救你啊?飞过去来救你吗?你怎么可以这样想?你妈妈为了救你都死了啦!你怎么那么没用,真给你爹妈丢人!腿断了有啥大不了的,你有手啊?你一个男人怎么那么矫情,不就说几句嘛?要大气一点!懂吗?你学学你弟弟,你学学你爸爸啊。别那么丢人现眼好吗?要大气一点!懂吗?别那么小鸡肚肠子。你爹妈都死还惦记这个?现在小孩子真不行,我那会儿不也这样过来的吗?
如果刚好是一个神经比较大条,大概可能笑笑就算了,但如果撞上一个非常敏感的人,那么这些话几乎就是核弹级别了。
人的情绪是复杂,有时候并非完全单一的情绪,在一些电视节目采访里面,那些做出英雄举动的普通人,也会告诉你,其实当时自己也不是不害怕的。
我们可以随着时间或者成长释怀某些东西,但维吉尔人生(DMC5之前)还没能得到这些。
最终,维吉尔对这一切又重新落回去,对自己的恨意之上。
在这个简介中还会提到,维吉尔对自己作为半魔是非常自卑的,同时也是一个理性的、个人主义者。
作为人类,并不纯正,作为恶魔又是个半调子,那边都不是又同时被两边嫌弃。
而身为半魔注定了,作为人类伴随而来的人类情感,这些情感自然包括负面感情。
DMC3里面维吉尔作为一个冷酷无情的恶魔,却又被阿卡姆耍了一番,虽然他们的合作本质是建立在互相利用之上。
但对人性透彻与坚定不移牺牲一切获得力量的阿卡姆而言,维吉尔也不过是一个毫无防备便于利用的孩子罢了。
在DMC3过场中,我们可以看到维吉尔与阿卡姆之间互动,维吉尔非常嫌弃并厌恶阿卡姆,而他也并非像他战斗时候表现的那样,冷酷无情,精准切割;相反是一个拥有浓烈感情,甚至一定程度是脆弱而敏感的。
他会被阿卡姆的嘲讽他不过是不完整半人半魔杂种而极其愤怒,过场动画还给了愤怒的维吉尔一个特写镜头。
其后游戏过场中还有日后经常被各路玩家提梗:Why it doesn't work!!
维吉尔因机器不工作而大为愤怒,仿佛一个小孩子遇到困难时候,毫无办法只能在那边生闷气;还有M13过场动画中他发现被阿卡姆欺骗,气的咬牙切齿的表情。
他会被但丁话语简单激怒,又会因为蕾蒂说他利用阿卡姆,而语带嘲讽。
这些都是作为人的情绪,起源于非理性。
好的,我们再次要提及他们成长环境带来的影响。
在官方出版刊物中,在解析但丁与维吉尔关系之前,有这么一段话作为前序。
「在梦中有时会有这样的人物出现,他们做着自己绝不可能做的事情,有着和自己完全不一样的行为。会经常让梦中的自己非常烦躁不安。他们即便张着一张自己非常熟悉的朋友的脸,但却怎么也回忆不起那张脸是谁。
根据荣格所分类的6种梦境原型来看,这种现象叫做阴影理论。人出生之后,受成长环境,本人秉性的影响形成了人格。但是不管是多么温厚,替人着想的人格,冷彻,残酷,利己这部分是不会消失的。这部分人格在人们潜意识里静静存活。这就是阴影理论,应该说是被隐藏起来的人格。
能否将鬼泣3的但丁与维吉尔当作互为影子的存在?」
For weakness leads to death, whether of the other or of oneself.
One can see the origin of DMC3 Vergil's famous line: 'Without strength you cannot protect anything, even yourself'.
Being the older brother makes him think he should take responsibility, take on his father's legacy, etc., but the tragic turn of events is what triggers his twisted sense of responsibility.
As you can see in the character profiles of the three generations of comics, Vergil believes that Dante has taken half of the power that belongs to him.
The basic element of justice is fairness.
You have the love and protection of your mother, so it's fair that the father's power belongs to me.
You have the protection of the mother, then I want the protection of the father; that is fair.
Why should this be yours and this be yours? It's not fair.
In DMC5 we can see that classic scene where V loses a serious emotional outburst after saying that the Blade of Sparta (the father) has protected Dante.
Speaking out, "If you didn't exist ............"
There are many meanings that can be derived from this statement: if you had not existed, he would have had all the power to protect his mother and she would not have died. If you were not there, my father would have protected me and so on.
If you search the internet or ask your friends who have siblings, you will find that these situations do exist, and that they have had these problems to some extent.
It is only human for children to be selfish and want it all for themselves.
Of course, fairness is important, but fairness can also have a very cruel side.
It is as if you had a box of chocolates and decided to reward a student, and through a test you rewarded the one who did better in school because you thought he had worked hard and therefore did well in school.
And where this moment of fairness cruelty appears is that there are other children who, because they have to help their parents with their work after class, are not able to compare with the others in terms of time and energy spent studying, and so he does not do as well as the others.
The knowledge test questions are the same for everyone, so this is fair, but everyone has the time and resources to study but not the same; so this appears non-fair.
The weak and the strong compete on the same stage and rely on physical ability to decide the winner, but why is this unfair? Because the physical ability of the weak and the strong is already very different from each other.
So if there is a struggle between demons and humans, it is unfair, the stronger bullying the weaker.
We can then call the act an act of injustice.
This is one of the reasons why we get so worked up when we see, in a competitive competition such as sport, someone who is not innately superior in every way win against someone who is.
Vergil's demand for fairness is engrained in his bones to a degree that is evident from his conversation with Dante after his resurrection in DMC5 to the Black Angels never sneaking up on him but demanding a square fight in DMC1.
No matter who the opponent is, tangibility is a priority, and probably only Arkham can break the list, although Arkham is not really an opponent.
Vergil (V) constantly berates himself in the manga, not so much for [why he didn't win] but for [why he lost].
Why he didn't win and why he lost seem to be the same thing, but the direction of questioning is different.
The question "Why didn't you win" is based on the belief that you were in a good position to win, and that there were no flaws in your game.
This, in fact, is also in line with Vergil's internal attribution problem.
He believes that there should be equality between him and Dante, not one above the other.
There is a passage in the VoV comic that oversees the resolution of why it is Rebellion and not the Blade of Power that appears in the V Nightmare.
It is because Vergil feels that both Rebellion and Yama belong to them individually, while the Blade of Sparta belongs to them jointly.
And Dante and Vergil, after that day, are in societies and have resources that are completely at odds with each other.
Vergil was in a society that appeared to be human, but in reality was a demonic jungle society.
Mundus' hunt has kept him in a demonic jungle where the only law is that the weak are the strong.
No one can be fully trusted, and God knows if it was Mundus who sent the demon in disguise.
"Companionship" and "faith" are things that have nothing to do with demons, even if they lead to their death.
Dante on the other side uses his own words most appropriately, "グルーに言われた通りだぜ. Ore wa da gan no gan chan de, nuiya aanta ni gan e jin shi dana
[It's true what Guru said, I was too naive and simple/naive enough to pamper myself with him and you/relied on you all the time]
Dante meets Gru, who is willing to protect him and guide him, and Neal (Nicole's mother-in-law), who treats him like her own child.
You could say that Dante grew up in a loving environment, with people he could rely on and grow up like a child.
It is often mentioned in the news or in novels that children from single-parent families or orphans are a little more mature than the average child, not because they are really fully grown mentally, but because the environment forces them to take on more.
Having to conduct themselves or work like adults in life, the old age is frightening.
Dante's own words testify to himself that he did not turn out to be one of those old and scary people.
Here it is not saying that who is a little more miserable than who, there is no comparison of misery.
Rather, it is saying that the two of them have encountered different people/events, lived in different circumstances, had different experiences, and had even more different resources since that day.
These are all part of the keys that make them seem so different.
Of course Vergil minded that it was never, Dante who was treated better and had better resources, but his parents.
V's line, "I too have wanted love and protection, but I was alone and had no choice but to survive."
Here love and protection, whether expressed in English or Japanese, are in the past tense, something that was once desired and which he has now given up and is no longer "greedy" for, combined with V's loss of control at the Spartan Blade earlier, and Dante's words to U, "Mother did not abandon you. "
The only thing V (Vergil) really cares about is not that Dante is luckier than he is, but that Dante has everything he needs, including fame, and could care less, and that the only thing he is jealous of is his parents' protection and love.
But he wanted, and was even jealous of, his brother's love and protection.
Even Vergil himself despises himself for this.
In times of suffering, it is natural for a child to long for parental protection; to a child, parents are like gods.
It is natural, then, for Vergil, who has been attacked by a demon, to want his mother to come to his rescue.
And it is only natural that the child would feel abandoned if his parents were not present when he was suffering.
We can find countless cases in child psychology, and even in everyday life, of people who tease the child by telling him that if your mother doesn't come to you, she doesn't want you. All these actions can make the child cry and even produce serious psychological effects on the child.
This has led many people to criticise this kind of teasing, and many have posted on the internet that they have been subjected to this behaviour and it has left many psychological shadows that they have not been able to let go of for many years.
Of course, it is only natural for people to long for salvation when they are suffering from something they cannot resist.
Such thoughts are not at all incompatible with Vergil's desire to protect his mother.
But why should one despise such a natural thought?
Because such thoughts are not to be found in the role of an older brother, a protector of the family.
Or to put it in the most disgusting way, like when a relative tells you: How is your mother going to come to your rescue? Fly over to save you? How can you think like that? Your mother died trying to save you! Why are you so useless? You're a disgrace to your parents! What's the big deal if your leg is broken? You have a hand? You're a man, why are you so pretentious? Behave yourself! You know what I mean? You learn from your brother, you learn from your father. Don't be so embarrassed, okay? Behave yourself! You know what? Don't be such a chicken. Your parents are dead and you're still thinking about it? It's not good for kids these days. I was like that when I was a kid.
If you happen to be a person with a lot of nerves, you might laugh it off, but if you run into someone who is very sensitive, then these words are almost nuclear.
People have complex emotions and sometimes they are not completely monolithic. In some TV interviews, ordinary people who do heroic acts will also tell you that they were not unafraid at the time.
We can let go of certain things over time or as we grow up, but Vergil hasn't been able to get that in his life (before DMC5).
Eventually, Vergil falls back on top of it all, on top of his hatred for himself.
It will also be mentioned in this synopsis that Vergil is very inferior to himself as a half-demon, as well as being a rational, individualist.
Not pure as a human, and half-toned as a demon, neither side and disliked by both at the same time.
And being half-demon predestines, as humans come with human emotions, and these naturally include negative feelings.
In DMC3 Vergil, a cold and ruthless demon, is again played by Arkham, although the nature of their partnership is based on mutual exploitation.
But to Arkham, a man with a thorough understanding of human nature and a determination to sacrifice everything to gain power, Vergil is nothing more than a defenceless child who can be used.
In the DMC3 overworld, we see Vergil interacting with Arkham, who Vergil dislikes and loathes greatly, and who is not as cold and precise and cutting as he appears to be in battle; instead, he is a man of strong emotions, and even a degree of vulnerability and sensitivity.
He is extremely angry at Arkham's taunt that he is nothing more than an incomplete half-human, half-demon bastard, and the overworld animation gives a close-up of an angry Vergil.
Later on in the game, there is also a frequent reference to Why it doesn't work!
Vergil is furious that the machine doesn't work, as if he is a child in trouble and has no choice but to sulk, and the M13 overworld animation shows him gritting his teeth in anger when he realises he has been tricked by Arkham.
He will be simply angered by Dante's words, and then mocked by Letty's comment about him using Arkham.
These are emotions that originate as human beings and are irrational.
Well, once again we have to mention the influence of the environment in which they were brought up.
In the official publication, before parsing Dante's relationship with Vergil, there is this passage as a preface.
"In dreams such characters sometimes appear who do things they could never do and behave in a way completely different from themselves. They can often be very disturbing to the dreamer. Even though they have the face of a friend whom they know very well, they cannot recall who that face is.
According to the six dream archetypes classified by Jung, this phenomenon is called the shadow theory. After birth, a person's personality is formed by the environment in which he or she grows up and by his or her own nature. But no matter how gentle and considerate the personality is, the cold, cruel and egoistic part of the personality does not disappear. This part of the personality lives on in the subconscious. This is the shadow theory, the hidden personality, I should say.
Can you think of Dante and Vergil in Ghostbusters 3 as being in the shadow of each other?
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维吉尔作为这个名字拥有者,神曲中理性的代表。
我们先将这部分作为他本性存在,在dmc3也提及过,名字是一个恶魔的如同原型一样的东西。
通常情况下,我们正常生活中,理性会让我们控制住自己的兽性。
而维吉尔一般情况展示给大众是这样的一个形象:冷酷无情、自我中心、冷漠,像恶魔一样自私自利,为了一己之私而不惜牺牲其他任何事物。
在人类社会中,即使人性确实存在这样的负面部分,但被认为这是劣等的人,社会提倡我们要为他人着想;我们成长在一个有铁序安全的和平的社会之中,周围的人也是温柔善良的人,那么我们自然也会受到影响,把属于人性之中不好的兽性部分,压制下去。
即使我们受到社会道德影响与本性等等反面的影响,那些阴影的部分也绝对不会消失。
我们依旧存在着人性里面包含着负面那一部分,会为了自身安逸、利益等原因破坏环境,发动战争。
在地球上存在着这一边生活的是在安稳中烦恼着金钱、家庭、朋友、理想等的人们,而另一边却是在战火的废墟里卑微祈祷着能够活下来的人。
我们得到东西、思考的方式与我们生活的社会有着密切的联系。
而维吉尔生存的社会是一个怎么样的社会呢?他展示出来的是自己生存的社会,是一个恶魔社会。
他整个人内外翻转了。
人的兽性在内部,人性在外部。
但维吉尔他的兽性在外部,人性反而在里面。
在刊物描述中,对维吉尔与但丁之间关系总结是:「处于对极的但丁与维吉尔,他们之间的战斗其实也是与另一个自己的战斗。但丁、维吉尔互为影子,同时互为光芒。但丁与维吉尔的关系就是,通过彼此的存在而成就自己。」
而在dmc3故事结局,也符合这个描述的。
维吉尔故事最后,让但丁离开,无论从对话中还是行为中都没有体现出,他打算独占力量,而是他认可但丁想要作为人类活下去的想法。
他行为与态度确实是存在着爱,并不是利己的而是利他的,给予但丁爱与希望。
也正如荣格的阴影理论所言:阴影是我们生命力之源,我们需要整合到我们自身当中去。
也亦如荣格那句:当爱支配一切时,权力就不存在了;当权力主宰一切时,爱就消失了。两者互为对方的影子。
维吉尔也许希望过爱,但他所在社会决定了,是权力主宰一切。
人性现在都成为维吉尔的阴影部分,没有被恶魔完全同化掉,甚至可以称为奇迹。
Vergil as the bearer of this name, the representative of reason in the Divine Comedy.
We will start with this part as the presence of his nature, also mentioned in dmc3, the name of which is a demon as if it were an archetype.
Usually, in our normal lives, reason keeps us in control of our bestiality.
Vergil, on the other hand, generally presents the public with an image of being cold, self-centred, indifferent, self-serving like a demon, and willing to sacrifice anything else for his own selfish ends.
In human society, even though such negative parts of human nature do exist, they are considered to be inferior and society promotes us to think of others; we grow up in a peaceful society with iron order security and surrounded by gentle and kind people, then we are naturally influenced to suppress the bad bestial parts that belong to human nature.
Even if we are influenced by social and moral influences and the opposite of our nature and so on, those shadow parts will never disappear.
We still have the negative part of human nature that destroys the environment and starts wars for our own comfort, profit and other reasons.
On one side of the planet exist people who live in peace and worry about money, family, friends, ideals, etc., while on the other side are people who are humbly praying to survive in the ruins of war.
The way we get things and think about them is closely linked to the society in which we live.
And what kind of a society does Vergil survive in? What he shows is the society in which he survives, a society of demons.
His whole being flipped inside and out.
Man's bestiality is on the inside, his humanity on the outside.
But Vergil his bestiality is on the outside, his humanity on the inside instead.
The relationship between Vergil and Dante is summed up in the publication's description as follows: "Dante and Vergil, at opposite ends of the spectrum, are in fact fighting with their other selves. Dante and Vergil are each other's shadows and at the same time, they are each other's light. The relationship between Dante and Vergil is that of being made whole by the presence of each other.
And in the dmc3 story ending, which also fits this description.
Virgil's story ends by letting Dante go, and it does not come across, either in the dialogue or in his behaviour, that he intends to monopolise the power, but rather that he recognises Dante's desire to live as a human being.
There is indeed love in his behaviour and attitude, not self-interested but altruistic, giving Dante love and hope.
It is also as Jung's theory of shadows states: shadows are the source of our life force, which we need to integrate into ourselves.
It is also as Jung said: When love rules everything, power ceases to exist; when power rules everything, love disappears. The two are each other's shadow.
Virgil may have wished for love, but the society he lived in dictated that it was power that ruled.
Humanity is now all a shadow part of Vergil, and it may even be called a miracle that the demon has not been completely assimilated away.
关于父亲
About father
维吉尔简介中也提及,他渴望超越自己的父亲。
恶魔=父亲。
这反馈到DMC主题中之一。
超越父亲。
这个命题到底还是建立自我、成长。
在古典的故事里面,角色都是通过击败上一辈或者象征父亲的角色,来证明自我的确立,摆脱父亲,对自我的肯定。
他渴望超越父亲带来不止是荣耀还有包含其中的自由与自我。
但恶魔给予他带来是无穷无尽的伤害与压制,先不提后面dmc1中蒙杜斯的事情,我们从他小时候第一次遇见恶魔开始。
他当时作为一个恶魔的受害者,第一次面对恶魔力量带来的感受,并不是自由与安全,而是应当是恐惧。我们在可以在漫画VoV中看到,当他遭遇恶魔攻击时候,他是没有还手的能力,直接被贯穿胸口倒在地上,并非常自然伸手呼喊求救,感觉到巨大的疼痛。
Vergil's profile also mentions that he aspired to surpass his father.
Devil = Father.
This feeds into one of the DMC themes.
Beyond the Father.
The proposition is ultimately about building the self and growing.
Within the classical stories, the characters are proving self-establishment, freedom from the father, and affirmation of the self by defeating the previous generation or the character who symbolises the father.
His desire to rise above his father brought not only glory but also the freedom and ego contained therein.
But the demon gives him is endlessly hurtful and oppressive, leaving aside for a moment what happens to Mundus later in dmc1, where we start with his first encounter with the demon as a child.
The feelings he felt at that time as a victim of a demon, the first time he faced demonic power, were not freedom and safety, but should have been fear. As we can see in the comic VoV, when he is attacked by the demon, he is incapable of fighting back and falls to the ground straight through the chest and very naturally reaches out and cries for help, feeling great pain.
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他根本没有抵抗这股力量的能力,是恶魔在用力量在伤害他,而不是他用力量战胜了恶魔。
他是讨厌受伤的,在DMC3过场动画里面,维吉尔需要用鲜血才能激活祭坛,那一幕里面我们可以清晰看到,当他割开自己手心时候,极度厌恶的表情。
然后,他在DMC1再次受到恶魔力量严重摧残,在这里恶魔力量给予他的感受其实依旧是恐惧。
是的,没有力量,他活不下,自身难保,这次连自我都再次被夺走,成为蒙杜斯复仇的玩偶。
He had no power at all to resist this power; it was the demon that was hurting him with its power, not he that had overcome it with it.
He hates being wounded, and in the DMC3 overworld animation, Vergil needs blood to activate the altar, and in that scene we can clearly see the look of utter disgust on his face when he cuts open his palm.
Then, he was again badly ravaged by demonic forces in DMC1, where the feelings they gave him actually remained fearful.
Yes, without power he could not live, he could not defend himself, and this time even his ego was once again taken from him, becoming a doll for Mundus' revenge.
在DMC5的小说中,可以看到蒙杜斯征服黑天使描述是这样的
In the DMC5 novel, Mundus' conquest of the nelo Angels can be seen described as follows
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蒙杜斯认为项链是维吉尔渴望的力量的象征。
改造后一直不愿意服从他的黑天使,在给予项链之后,终于服从于他。
但是我们在VoV漫画中知道,阎魔刀才是维吉尔追求力量的代表,阎魔刀才是力量的象征。
他是通过阎魔存活的,如同DMC4一样阎魔激活尼禄的力量,让尼禄重生。
阎魔就像他的化身一样,是维吉尔践行的力量之道。
Mundus saw the necklace as a symbol of the power that Vergil craved.
The nelo Angel, who had been reluctant to obey him after the transformation, finally obeyed him after being given the necklace.
But we know in the VoV manga that it is the Yama sword that represents Vergil's quest for power; the Yama sword is the symbol of power.
He survives through Yama, and as in DMC4 Yama activates Nero's power and brings him back to life.
Yama is like his avatar, the way of power that Vergil practises.
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��项链在这里代表是什么?
So what does the necklace represent here?
那项链在这里代表是什么?
首先,这个项链并非他的父亲给他,反而是属于母亲的遗物。
代表是母亲对他的爱,而不是父亲对他的爱。项链更加是属于他的东西,独一无二的东西。母亲对他的爱也是,是理应无法被抢走的东西。那这里项链代表应当是父母的爱,母亲对他的爱。而不是力量。蒙杜斯通过爱让黑天使完全接受控制,从而使自己的恶魔力量能够腐蚀维吉尔。作为黑天使的时候,拥有可不仅仅自尊的严重伤害,也并非毫无益处。作为黑天使的时候,他确实是安全的,受到庇护的。
剥夺思考带来同时也是不需要承受压力与重坦的状态,但确实是扯线的玩偶。他自尊是完全不能够接受这样的耻辱。维吉尔自然是憎恨厌恶自己人性(感情)懦弱的,这之后击败他刚好又是宿命的对手,但丁。
但丁不仅仅是他弟弟,也是作为“斯巴达之子”有力竞争对手,他们两个是双胞胎,都继承了父亲一部分的东西。
而DMC1游戏过场中,我们都可以从台词中知道,恶魔眼中的但丁就像斯巴达一样。
DMC3中贝奥武夫也直接喊着但丁是那个垃圾斯巴达。
那么,作为黑天使的维吉尔,其实就像被斯巴达打败一样。
他不但没有达成超越父亲的渴望,而是又一次遭受到恶魔力量摧残,最后一次甚至是来自于自己敬畏的父亲代言人也是自己宿命对手但丁,那相当于父亲否定了他。
我们都知道维吉尔崇尚力量甚至可以说崇拜力量,完全可以从DMC3里面他不择手段想要获得斯巴达力量跟M20中与但丁最后一战那一句:“我需要更多力量。”看出来。
同时,我们从但丁口中得知维吉尔是很敬畏自己的父亲的,在前面官方刊物内容中也有提及到这个。
一般来说造成人对某个事物的崇拜,理由有很多种,但我们这里先不说其他的,而是说最原始的一种,在一些电视历史节目或者传统神话故事里面,我们可以看到古代的人崇拜的神灵并不是那种满足人类愿望的神灵,比如说龙神,在一些地方是这样的传说,要每年定期安排祭品进行祭祀,而不进行的话龙神就会发怒,淹掉整条村子。
那些崇拜龙神的人并不是在感恩龙神保佑他们,而是在害怕龙神的惩罚,是对被毁灭的恐惧,
人们为龙神进行祭祀仪式以确保自己是安全。当然也有另外一种形式,就是通过“晒龙王”这种行为,从而证明自己获得比龙神更强的力量,在心理上确保自己是安全。
但无论是那一个方法,村民们其实都已经遭受过严重灾难,那些恐惧深深刻他们脑海之中。
维吉尔已经被恶魔力量摧残过很多次,他内心对恶魔力量恐惧理应在DMC1之后达到最高峰,同时崇拜也达到了巅峰。
但同样不可否认恶魔力量确实一定程度为他带来安全感,但这是一种一直在漏水的安全感。
即使他后来拿起这个伤害他的东西作为武器,也没有完全摆脱恶魔力量给他带来巨大创伤。
他生活环境也没有提供给他一个安稳的环境,导致他也失去重新认识自我与审视的机会。
那么让我们谈谈别的,他对母亲的感受。
维吉尔人性有很多负面想法,甚至有维吉尔认为可耻的想法,这些我们都知道了。
他对于回忆母亲会感觉哀伤而不是被爱着的安慰,这一点在DMC5里面V在游戏里面与格蕾芬交谈中可以得知。
而在DMC3个人简介描述中,对于身为人类的母亲则是抱有类似乡愁,但又会使他重新感受到自己身为人类,并且唤起对自身厌恶的存在。乡愁是一种再也无法回去又无法拥有的,又深深挂念着的充满哀伤的感情,而更加会想起那天惨剧,自己当时作为人类的无能导致母亲死亡甚至渴望得救的可耻想法,从而更加无法克制产生恨意。
维吉尔每当回忆起自己母亲或者如同VoV里面V去但丁事务所时候,看见母亲照片那种时候的厌恶的表情,他的表现就是无法控制自己的厌恶。
如果他只是单纯恨自己母亲,恨他抛弃了自己,那理应不会对母亲抱有乡愁的感情,毕竟正常情况下我们是不会去挂念我们恨着的东西甚至不会去一直惦记那些自己讨厌的东西,而V过场与格蕾芬台词:“说不想是在说谎。但过去……对我来说很是痛苦”,他的确是思念自己的母亲,硬要说因为得不到反而恨起来还能像那么一回事,所以这个恨意与厌恶是对着他自己的。
母亲是他陷入力量泥潭原因之一吗?是的,但并非全部。同样,母亲那天是企图拯救他这个事件,能解决他沉迷力量这个问题吗?
在DMC5里面但丁曾用母亲到死之前都在寻找他,是想去救他来劝说Urizen,而但丁回忆过场中,母亲的确也是外出寻找维吉尔叫喊他的名字然后遭遇不测,从这个角度上来说,我们是否可以说,如果不是为了救维吉尔,母亲有可能活下来?那么,但丁说这句话不相当于在责备维吉尔害死母亲吗?
维吉尔因没能保护母亲长久痛苦,自我责备自我厌恶自我憎恨,知道母亲居然为了救他而死,是自己害死母亲,那这句话只会让他更加难受更加自责,更加憎恨自己的无能为力。
所以,很可惜并不能。
但维吉尔是爱着自己母亲的,通过DMC5SE对话我们可以得知,维吉尔还害怕自己母亲生气。
那既然是这样,维吉尔因为知道母亲临死之前心愿就是他能够活下去,能够得救虽然并不能让维吉尔放弃力量,但至少能有一点安慰,当然是建立完整的维吉尔而不是Urizen之上。
那么,维吉尔是否是一个不自爱的人?
作为如同半身一样存在的但丁,也对痴迷力量的维吉尔充满了厌恶。
而但丁与维吉尔作为恶魔是必须合起来才算完整,在DMC3游戏阿卡姆台词可以得知。
他们身为半人半魔也意味着,他们的人的部分也是对半开的,他们终其一生必然互相追逐着对方才能使自己人性得以完整,而不是处于残缺的状态。
First of all, the necklace was not given to him by his father, but instead belonged to his mother as a relic.
It represents his mother's love for him, not his father's love for him. The necklace is more something that belongs to him, something unique. His mother's love for him is also, something that should not be taken away from him. Here, then, the necklace should represent the love of his parents, the love of his mother for him. And not the power. Through love Mundus had allowed the nelo Angel to accept full control, thus enabling his own demonic power to corrupt Vergil. It is not without benefit that having can be a serious injury to more than just self-esteem as a nelo Angel. As a Black Angel he is indeed safe and sheltered.
The deprivation of thought brings with it a state of being free from stress and heavy tampering, but it is true that it is a doll that pulls the strings. His pride was totally incapable of accepting such a disgrace. Vergil naturally hates and loathes his own human (emotional) cowardice, which is followed by the defeat of his fated rival, Dante.
Dante is not only his brother, but also a formidable rival for the role of "Son of Sparta"; they are twins, both having inherited a part of their father.
In the DMC1 overworld, we all know from the lines that the Devil sees Dante as a Spartan.
Beowulf in DMC3 also outright shouts that Dante is that trash Spartan.
Vergil, then, as the Black Angel, is in fact as defeated by Sparta.
Instead of reaching his desire to surpass his father, he is once again ravaged by demonic forces, the last time even from his revered father's spokesman who is also his fated rival, Dante, and that amounts to his father denying him.
We all know that Vergil admires power, even worships it, as evidenced by his desperate attempts to gain Spartan power in DMC3 and his final battle with Dante in M20: "I need more power." It's obvious.
At the same time, we know from Dante that Vergil is in awe of his father, and this is mentioned earlier in the official publication.
There are generally various reasons that cause people to worship something, but let us not talk about the others here, but rather about the most primitive one. In some television history programmes or within traditional mythology, we can see that the gods worshipped by the ancient people were not the kind of gods that fulfilled human wishes, such as the dragon god, which in some places is the legend that sacrifices had to be arranged regularly every year to be performed, and that if they were not performed then the dragon god would become angry and drown the whole village.
Those who worshipped the dragon god were not thankful that the dragon god had blessed them, but were afraid of his punishment, the fear of being destroyed, and
The people performed rituals for the dragon god to ensure that they were safe. There is, of course, another form of ritual, the act of 'sunning the dragon king', which proves that one has gained more power than the dragon god and psychologically ensures one's safety.
But in either case, the villagers had already suffered a serious disaster, and the fears were deeply rooted in their minds.
Vergil has been ravaged by demonic power so many times that his inner fear of it rightly peaked after DMC1, along with his worship.
But it is also undeniable that demonic power does bring him security to some degree, but it is a security that keeps leaking.
Even when he later took up this thing that hurt him as a weapon, it did not fully rid him of the immense trauma the demonic power had caused him.
The environment in which he lived also did not provide him with a sense of peace, resulting in him also losing the opportunity to reconnect with himself and examine.
So let's talk about something else, his feelings about his mother.
Vergil had many negative thoughts about human nature, even thoughts that Vergil found shameful, as we know.
That he would feel grief over the memory of his mother rather than the comfort of being loved is known from V's conversation with Gryphon inside the game in DMC5.
In his DMC3 profile, he has a similar nostalgia for his human mother, but one that makes him feel human again and evokes a disgust for his own existence. The nostalgia is a feeling of sadness that can never be returned to and cannot be possessed, but is also a feeling of deep sadness, and even more so when he remembers the tragedy of that day, when his own incompetence as a human being led to his mother's death and even to the shameful thought of his desire to be saved, which leads to an uncontrollable hatred.
Whenever Vergil remembers his own mother or, as in VoV, the look of disgust on his mother's face when he sees her picture when V goes to Dante's office, he shows that he cannot control his disgust.
If he simply hated his mother and hated him for abandoning him, he would not have had nostalgic feelings for her, after all, normally we don't hang on to things we hate or even think about things we hate all the time, and V is lying when he crosses the line with Gryphon: "It would be a lie to say I don't want to. But the past ...... has been painful for me", he does miss his mother, and to say that he hates it instead because he can't have it is still something like that, so this hatred and disgust is directed at himself.
Was his mother one of the reasons he was in the mire of power? Yes, but not all. Again, can the event that his mother was attempting to save him that day solve the problem of his addiction to power?
In DMC5 Dante had persuaded Urizen by saying that his mother was looking for him until her death and was trying to save him, and Dante recalls scenes where his mother did go out looking for Vergil calling out his name and then met an untimely end, so in that sense, can we say that it is possible that his mother could have survived if she had not been trying to save Vergil? Wouldn't Dante's statement then be tantamount to blaming Vergil for his mother's death?
Vergil's long suffering, self-blame, self-loathing and self-hatred for not being able to protect his mother, and knowing that she actually died to save him, that it was his own fault that she died, would only make him feel even worse and blame himself even more, and hate himself even more for his inability to do anything about it.
So, sadly it doesn't.
But Vergil loves his mother, and as we learn through the DMC5SE dialogue, Vergil is still afraid of his mother's anger.
So if that's the case, Vergil's wish was that he would live because he knew his mother was dying, and being saved doesn't make Vergil give up his powers, but it's at least a little comforting, based on the full Vergil and not Urizen, of course.
Is Vergil, then, a man who does not love himself?
Dante, who exists as if he were a half-body, is also disgusted by the power-obsessed Vergil.
And Dante and Vergil as demons are the ones who must be combined to be complete, as can be learned in the DMC3 game Arkham Lines.
The fact that they are half-human and half-demon also means that the human part of them is also split in half, and they must chase each other throughout their lives in order to make their humanity whole, rather than being in a state of disfigurement.
我们先来说一下作为维吉尔的恶。
Let's start with the evil of being a Vergil.
名字是一个恶魔的本质,这一点在DMC3漫画被提及。
The name is the essence of a demon, which is mentioned in the DMC3 comic.
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不得不说再次提的是维吉尔这个名字,在神曲中是理性代表。
理性的恶魔到底是一种怎么样的恶魔?
或者说极度理性的人是怎样的人。为什么维吉尔表现的是兽性。
极度理性的人。本身就是极度自私的人。理性主义本身就会诞生功利主义,结果是一切行为目的。这种催生之下,人命就是一个数字,或多或少。
那将会缺乏对他者的同理心与同情心。大脑就像机械一切精准衡量一切的利弊,好谋求利益的最大化。但这种需要吗?也是需要的。但对于人而言,看见便是兽性。
没有道理没有感情可以谈,杀一百人能救人,那就杀,杀一万人能救人,一样杀;就像我们生死居然靠抽签来决定,不管你是贫穷还是富有,是公平了但也是残忍的,是一种如同天灾一样可怕的野兽。
维吉尔他不以拯救人类生命为行动驱动力,而是如同天灾一样,是今天台风就要过来,这场暴雨今天就要下,他是不关心你家里头衣服没收呢,要等收完再下。
这也是维吉尔作为Urizen时候表现出现的属性。一个天灾一样的野兽。
他觉得力量不够就去找力量,就像野兽饿了就去找吃一样自然,而不存在这是人不能吃这个问题,毕竟恶魔本身就存在有吃人的恶魔的这个分支,人类也不会指责一个本身吃人的东西骂他怎么可以吃人呢。
通常情况下人将对自身有益的行为定义为善,对自身有害的行为定义为恶。
但人类的定义善恶只能适用在人类的价值观上与人类自身,而非全部适用在其他生命上,野兽袭击人类与他是否恶毫无关系,你不能判决一个树正常生长对人类存在善恶问题,你也不能指责你家猫咬你不跟你玩跟恶有关系,也没办法说一只老虎袭击人,就是因为他邪恶。
但尤立增他对虐杀人类与玩弄人类,征服世界毫无兴趣,他并不享受这种东西,他行为对于人的世界是自私的,所以人可以称他为恶,但他的行为并非针对折磨人类进行享受。
因为通过杀戮获得快乐,这需要建立有一定知性的生物上,动物的杀戮是基于本能狩猎行为。
而通过杀戮获得快乐则是通过残害生命来愉悦自我。所以享受虐杀与玩弄这种行为,是危险的。这不是一头野兽为了生存或者本能对你的袭击,而是一种针对人类与拥有知性动物的扭曲行为。这是非常原始的疯狂的欲望。
动物狩猎是生存需求,恶魔社会作为丛林社会,遵守野兽本能又仿佛就是天然的正确。
但通过虐杀去享受快感是完全两种产物。现代有很多满足这种需求的游戏,但他们依旧不会做到真的跟现实一模一样。
It has to be mentioned once again that the nameVergil, in the Divine Comedy, is the representative of reason. What kind of demon is a demon of reason? Or what is it like to be extremely rational. WhyVergil is shown to be bestial.
The extremely rational man. Inherently extremely selfish people. Rationalism in itself gives birth to utilitarianism, with the result that all acts aim. Under this kind of doctrine, human life is a number, where numbers are nothing more than addition and subtraction.
By treating human life in this way, there will eventually be a lack of empathy and compassion for the Other. The brain is like a machine that precisely weighs the pros and cons of everything in order to maximise the benefits. But is this necessary? It is needed too. But for man, seeing is the nature of the beast.
There is no reasoning or emotion to talk about; if killing a hundred people saves lives, then kill them, if killing ten thousand saves lives, kill them all the same; just as it is fair that we live and die by lot, whether you are poor or rich, but it is also cruel, a beast as terrible as a natural disaster.
This is the same attribute thatVergil showed when he was Urizen, like a beast of preternatural calamity.
It is as natural for him to seek power when he feels it is not enough as it is for a beast to seek food when it is hungry, and there is no question of this being something that a human cannot eat; after all, demons themselves exist in this branch of demons that eat humans, and humans do not accuse something that is itself a cannibal of scolding how he can eat humans.
Normally humans define good as good and evil as harmful to themselves.
But the human definition of good and evil can only be applied to human values and to human beings themselves, not to all other beings. A beast attacking a human being has nothing to do with whether it is evil or not, nor can you accuse your cat of being evil for biting you and not playing with you, nor can you say that a tiger attacks a human being because he is evil incarnate.
But Urizen he has no interest in torturing humans and playing with them and conquering the world, he does not care for or enjoy the pleasures that come from such things, he acts selfishly towards the world of man, so one can call him evil, but his actions are not directed towards torturing humans for enjoyment.
For to gain pleasure by killing requires the establishment of creatures with a certain amount of sentience; the killing of animals is based on the instinctive act of hunting.
Pleasure through killing, on the other hand, is the pleasure of the self through the mutilation of life. So enjoying the act of sadism and playfulness is dangerous. It is not a beast attacking you for survival or instinct, but a twisted act against human beings and animals with sentience. It is a very primitive and insane desire.
It is a twisted desire to satisfy your own enjoyment of being powerful by crushing, abusing, playing with, and playing with creatures weaker than yourself.
Rationally the same as the abuse of dogs and cats, etc.
Animals hunt as a need for survival, and demon society, as a jungle society, abides by beastly instincts again as if it were the natural right behaviour.
But the enjoyment of pleasure through sadism is a product of two entirely different things. There are many modern games that satisfy this need, but they still don't really do it exactly like reality.
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可以看到DMC3漫画里面维吉尔遭遇恶魔,在谈论快感这个东西。
图上所有词汇,都指向了这个恶魔,享受是杀戮、痛苦、虐待这些东西,这是非常可怕而且危险的恶魔,这个恶魔拥有知性并享受这种扭曲东西,并不是一个目标单纯的野兽。
维吉尔能够享受战斗,但他无法享受杀戮、折磨这些东西带来的快感,他对战斗享受是对于目标靠近与强大对手战斗的喜悦。而关于杀戮给予他通常都是痛苦的回忆,因为杀戮会流血,而他极端厌恶受伤带来的回忆。
蒙杜斯为什么又是最大的邪恶?因为蒙杜斯享受并渴望控制人类,将人类视为玩偶。
并折磨与虐待中获得满足感与成就感。
他的行为完全针对人类来进行的,因为人类会惨叫会痛苦会难受会哀嚎,但你虐待树木、虐待动物也带不了这种。
我想我们在玩DMC这个游戏时候,享受是爽快的战斗、自己就像人物一样无敌、强大;而不是享受击倒敌人之后它们所发出来的痛苦惨叫声,并感受到身心愉悦。
维吉尔自切也并非针对折磨人类。
针对自身的人性部分跟想要与弟弟一决胜负与渴望毁灭、折磨人类是两回事。
是自切掉人性之后,他的恶魔面不受人性控制的原始行为给人类世界带来了毁灭性。
一个是跟随本能去追求力量的野兽,一个是让你求生不得求死不能的并热衷折磨你的真正恶魔。
我们可以VoV与DMC5过场动画可以看出来,维吉尔最初的目的就是,将恶魔部分切出去然后去与但丁一决胜负。但Urizen偏偏没有马上去找但丁,甚至在那边与恶魔争果子,几乎对力量以外东西完全不感兴趣,Urizen就坐在那里等待果子成熟,让我们有一种错觉Urizen如果不是因为但丁找上门,它可以在那里坐到天荒地老,甚至说出斯巴达之刃已经没有用的台词,所有行为都不是等待已久的对手总于来,我要击败你;而是对手排在力量后面。
但维吉尔回来的目的就是为了但丁,这变成本末倒置。
当时维吉尔当时情绪并不是稳定的(DMC5结局之前),他情感非常丰富,而这样感情丰富的他,在遭遇DMC3又到DMC1各种打击与折磨,又偏偏拿回来了掌握人类与魔界之间钥匙的阎魔刀,并再次为之孤注一掷。如果这刀仅仅只能将人与魔分开那姑且尚好,他也仅仅只想与自己弟弟再战一次,但这把刀是人类与魔界之间的钥匙,那么本来只是一个简单的愿望就变成巨大的麻烦与灾难。
就同如果你给孩子一个核弹按钮,他按下那一刻真的可能仅仅是因为好玩。
同样你永远无法知道一个情绪失控的人能够做出多么疯狂的事情。
当然,我不是在洗白什么,门就是Urizen打开的,Urizen是维吉尔做出的选择才会出现的。
维吉尔最大恶就是他的自私,他为了自己目的而行动,但他的行为其实没有顾忌跟考虑周围无辜的人类,他像恶魔一样自私自利行动,而不顾及他人。
用日常刑事案件常见的疑问来表达就是:怎么可以为了钱杀人呢?怎么可以为了利益杀人呢?怎么可以为了感情就杀人呢?怎么可以为了点东西就发动战争呢?怎么可以为了利益就破坏环境呢?怎么可以为了利益就提价呢?
但如果自私是一种罪,那恐怕全人类难逃一死吧。
同样拥有如此丰富感情的人,已经不能成为一个单纯的恶魔了,而维吉尔行为又更像恶魔。
这仿佛让他变得的异常矛盾:最像人的恶魔和最像恶魔的人。
当然如果参考对象是人类的历史,这好像也并不矛盾,在战争中,人是恶魔亦是人。
在战争中参与厮杀的人其实也在残杀同类,可以称为恶魔一样的行为,只为自己立场上的利益就对同类痛下杀手;那些战场上的人不论敌我,他们都是有父母的活生生人���生生的生命。
甚至在二战时期,兄弟姐妹在战争上互相残杀也不过家常便饭。
但这里并不是说杀戮这种行为是正确的,而是想要说这不正确,但人类的历史往往就是如此一再重复。
关心别人拯救世界是人类,为了利益对自己同类痛下杀手,甚至为了享乐对某种动物进行过种族灭绝行为也是人类。人是复杂的,是神与魔的混合体,成神成魔都在人的一念之间。
You can see the DMC3 comic where Vergil encounters the demon and talks about the pleasure thing.
All the words on the picture, point to this demon, enjoyment is killing, pain, abuse and these things, this is very scary and dangerous demon, this demon has sentience and enjoys such twisted things, not a beast with a simple goal.
Vergil can enjoy fighting, but he cannot enjoy the pleasure of killing or torturing, his enjoyment of fighting is the joy of being close to his goal and fighting a powerful opponent. And about killing gives him usually painful memories, because killing bleeds, and he has an extreme aversion to the memories that come with being wounded.
Why is Mundus again the greatest of evils? Because Mundus enjoys and desires to control human beings, to see them as dolls.
He enjoys and desires to control humans, to see them as dolls, and to gain satisfaction and fulfilment from torturing and abusing them.
His actions are directed entirely at humans because humans scream and suffer and wail, but you can't bring that from abusing trees or animals.
I think what we enjoy when we play DMC is the pleasure of fighting and being as invincible and powerful as the characters; not the physical and mental pleasure of the painful screams they make after knocking down an enemy.
Nor is Vergil's self-cutting aimed at torturing humans.
The desire to fight his brother and the desire to destroy and torture humans are two different things.
It is the primal behaviour of his demonic side, uncontrolled by his humanity, that has devastated the human world since he cut himself off.
One is a beast that follows its instincts in the pursuit of power, the other is a true demon that leaves you begging for life and death and is keen to torment you.
As we can see from the VoV and DMC5 overworld animations, Vergil's initial aim is to cut out the demon part and then go for a fight with Dante. But instead of going to Dante right away and even fighting the demon over there for the fruit, almost completely uninterested in anything other than power, Urizen just sits there waiting for the fruit to ripen, giving us the illusion that Urizen could sit there until the end of time if it wasn't for Dante coming to the door, even uttering the line that the Spartan blade is no longer useful, all actions that are not waiting The long-awaited adversary always comes, and I will defeat you; rather, the adversary ranks behind the power.
But Vergil's return for the purpose of Dante becomes putting the cart before the horse.
Vergil was not emotionally stable at the time (before the end of DMC5), he was very emotional, and this emotional man, after all the blows and torments of DMC3 and then DMC1, came back with the Yama sword, which holds the key between the human and the demon worlds, and again threw himself at it. If the sword could only separate humans from demons, that would be fine, and he would only want to fight his brother once more, but this sword is the key between humans and demons, so what was a simple wish becomes a huge problem and disaster.
Just as if you give a child a nuclear bomb button, he may really push it just for the fun of it.
In the same way you can never know how crazy an emotionally disturbed person can be.
Of course, I'm not washing my hands of anything, the door was opened by Urizen, and Urizen came into existence because of the choices Vergil made.
Vergil's greatest evil is his selfishness, he acts for his own ends, but his actions are not really scrupulous or considerate of the innocent humans around him, he acts like a demon selfishly and without regard for others.
He acted like a demon, selfishly and without regard for others. The common question in everyday criminal cases is: How can one kill for money? How can one kill for profit? How can one kill for the sake of feelings? How can you start a war over something? How can you destroy the environment for the sake of profit? How can you raise prices for the sake of profit?
But if selfishness is a sin, then I am afraid that all mankind will not escape death.
The same man who has such a wealth of emotion can no longer be a mere demon, and Vergil acts more like one.
It is as if this makes him an extraordinary contradiction: the most human-like of demons and the most demon-like of men.
Of course, if the reference is to the history of mankind, this does not seem to be a contradiction, for in war, man is both a demon and a man.
Those who fight in war actually kill their own kind, in what might be called demonic acts, killing them for the sake of their own position; those who fight on the battlefield, whether they are enemies or not, are living, breathing human beings with parents.
Even in the Second World War, it was not uncommon for brothers and sisters to kill each other in war.
But this is not to say that the act of killing is right, it is to say that it is not right, but this is how human history tends to repeat itself over and over again.
It is human to care for others to save the world, it is human to kill one's own kind for profit, and it is human to commit genocide against an animal for pleasure. Man is complex, a mixture of god and devil, and it is up to him to become a god or a devil.
关于Urizen的象征。
About the symbol of Urizen.
A Poison Tree
I was angry with my friend:
I told my wrath, my wrath did end.
I was angry with my foe:
I told it not, my wrath did grow.
And I watered it in fears,
Night and morning with my tears;
And I sunned it with smiles,
And with soft deceitful wiles.
And it grew both day and night,
Till it bore an apple bright.
And my foe beheld it shine.
And he knew that it was mine,
And into my garden stole
When the night had veiled the pole;
In the morning glad I see
My foe outstretched beneath the tree.
与友人心存气恼
我一吐为快, 怒火随之熄灭
对敌人怀揣愤懑
我一言不发, 恼怒却生根发芽
从此, 不分昼夜
忧惧中我用泪水浇灌它
我的笑容和狡黠
是它明媚的阳光
它日夜不停茁壮成长
直到结出一颗鲜艳的苹果
我的敌人眼见它亮丽四射
明知它的主人就是我
但他却在夜幕笼罩下
偷偷地潜入我的花园
清晨, 看到敌人挺直地倒在树下
我心中暗喜
这是一首描述了谋杀的诗歌,也是DMC5开场时候展示诗歌。
他表达的是人对感情不忠诚,一种虚伪的善良。对朋友愤怒表达了,愤怒就结束了。但他对敌人仇恨却不表示,愤怒便在内心种下种子,这棵树本身就是感觉具象化。
首先对于布莱克神话体系中,作为理性代表的Urizen控制人们,绑架人们,一个以自我为中心父亲的角色作为庭院主人,这首诗歌参考的是圣经中人类偷食禁果的那一章。
Urizen在DMC5这个故事中,在维吉尔的故事里面,是一个怎样的角色呢?
我们可以在Urizen的一个设计稿中,得到一个非常直白的设计思路。
This is a poem that describes murder and is also the poem displayed at the opening of DMC5.
He expresses the unfaithfulness of man to his feelings, a kind of hypocritical kindness. Anger towards a friend is expressed, and the anger ends. But his hatred for his enemies is not expressed, and anger is then planted within, the tree itself being the feeling embodied.
Firstly for the Blakean mythological system of Urizen as a representative of reason controlling people and kidnapping them, a self-centred father figure as master of the courtyard, the poem references the biblical chapter in which man steals the forbidden fruit.
What is Urizen's role in the story of DMC5, within the story of Vergil?
We can get a very straightforward design idea in one of Urizen's design drafts.
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黑天使在一代就是作为父亲的象征。
这个设计稿是直接写上斯巴达与黑天使。是的,对于维吉尔而言。恶魔是父亲,父亲又是恶魔力量的代表。Urizen也称呼自己为没有名字,只是力量。
同样斯巴达作为神明被崇拜。恶魔视斯巴达为叛徒,人类不可能接纳恶魔,却又视斯巴达为救世主,认为拯救他们是理所当然的事。斯巴达不止是恶魔,更是一种身份的称呼。
回到这首诗歌上,这个庭院是属于上帝的,这个果树也是上帝种下的。这里上帝是Urizen。
那么故事里面的上帝是吗?
Urizen在游戏里面有一个称号【魔界的反逆王】英文给翻译是uprising,中文可以翻译为暴动、起义,在客观层面上来说,Urizen的确引发变革,取代了蒙杜斯的魔界地位,并拿走本来属于蒙杜斯的果子吧,某个意义上来说是新铁序的来临。
The nleo Angel was in the generation as a symbol of the father.
This design is written directly on the Spartan with the Black Angel. Yes, for Vergil. The demon is the father, who in turn is the representative of demonic power. urizen also calls himself no name, just power.
Likewise Sparta is worshipped as a god. The demons see Sparta as a traitor, and it is impossible for humans to accept demons, yet they see Sparta as a saviour and take it for granted that they will be saved. Sparta is more than a demon, it is a designation of identity.
Returning to this verse, this courtyard belongs to God, and this fruit tree was planted by God. Here God is Urizen.
So is God inside the story?
Urizen has a title in the game [Rebel King of the Demon Realm], which in English translates as uprising, which in Chinese can be translated as rioting, uprising. On an objective level, Urizen does trigger a change, replacing Mundus in the Demon Realm and taking away the fruit that belonged to Mundus, in a sense the coming of a new iron order.
We can check the documentation that the tree exists in its own right and is present in the magical realm, bearing fruit once every two thousand years.
我们可以查询���文档里面,这棵树是本身就存在的,而且存在在魔界的,两千年结果一次。
We can check inside the document that the tree exists in itself and exists in the magical realm, with results once every two thousand years.
但这棵树是由人血来灌溉而来。
那么整个诗歌让故事的人与魔微妙了起来,这个庭院应该是属于恶魔,但灌溉这个树的是人。
我们回到故事中,分裂的状态的维吉尔,V对Urizen的态度。
V对Urizen态度非常明显,他对Urizen的行为极度厌恶,但他喜欢Urizen,他喜欢只是Urizen强大力量的欣赏。维吉尔在故事里面没有明确或者非常直接的情绪表达他对恶魔是否抱有极度的憎恨或者厌恶情绪。即使在DMC3漫画里面,阿卡姆与他第一次相遇所说那段对话也与此无关,也存在因为恶魔力量而被吸引所陶醉的人。
V的敌人是Urizen,他的敌人的确吃下那颗果子并最终战败倒于树下,而他为之欣喜。
这个有毒的果子,代表的是V自己的怨恨,与自己因为恶魔而流血所受到伤害所产生厌恶,最终滋养结成的果实。而Urizen极具象征意义的代表性,也表达维吉尔对于父亲另一种态度。产生这样的心情是他一直压抑已久,对自己受到伤害闭口不谈的缘故,愤怒日积月累的存在。
那么我们也是不是可以说,维吉尔对于父亲的爱,是一种对幻影和空想的爱呢?
在很多衍生产品甚至DMC3里面但丁都用父亲来规劝维吉尔,像:斯巴达也如何如何吧,所以……
但维吉尔最终行动完全不按照所谓的斯巴达如何来的。
而但丁依旧要认为维吉尔沉迷父亲,不过这在这里并不重要。
所以,我想也可以那么说的。
V从不喜欢恶魔,他说他喜欢,他的喜欢是对力量的垂爱,是对力量的功利性。
But the tree is irrigated by human blood.
The whole poem then makes the story subtle between man and demon; this courtyard is supposed to belong to the demon, but it is man who irrigates this tree.
We return to the story, the divided state of Vergil, to V's attitude towards Urizen.
V's attitude towards Urizen is very clear, he is extremely disgusted by Urizen's behaviour, but he likes Urizen, he likes just the appreciation of Urizen's great power. Vergil has no clear or very direct emotion within the story to express whether he holds extreme hatred or disgust for the demon. Even within the DMC3 comic, the conversation that Arkham speaks of in his first encounter has nothing to do with this, and there exists people who are intoxicated by the attraction because of the demon's power.
V's enemy is Urizen, and his enemy does eat the fruit and eventually falls under the tree in defeat, and he rejoices in it.
This poisonous fruit is the fruit of V's own resentment and disgust at the harm he has suffered as a result of the demon's bloodshed, which eventually nourishes the fruit. The symbolic representation of Urizen is another expression of Vergil's attitude towards his father. It is the result of a long repression of his feelings, of his silence about the harm he has suffered, of the anger that has been building up over time.
So can we also say that Virgil's love for his father is a love for phantoms and empty dreams?
In many spin-offs and even in DMC3 Dante uses his father to admonish Vergil, like: how about Spartan too, so ......
But Virgil ends up acting not at all according to the so-called Spartan how-to.
And Dante still has to think that Vergil is obsessed with his father, but that doesn't matter here.
So, I guess it could be said that way.
V never liked demons, he said he did, and his liking was a droopy love of power, a utilitarian love of power.
现在让我们看Urizen对V的态度。
V角度看待Urizen大体上已经知道了。
那么Urizen怎么看待V的呢?对他而言是再明显不过的讨厌。
这是一个导致他虚弱而不是让能够完善自己的存在,是他蔑视属于自己的软弱部分。
Urizen不会受到感情的困惑,因为这些东西他根本不需要,自然也就没有。在DMC5中Urizen台词:“我对这个地方没有记忆。这只是果实制造出来的幻象。”
而在DMC3,但丁曾对维吉尔说过这样的台词:“我没有父亲。”同样也意味着,我不需要父亲,他明明是有父亲的,但是他在这里表现出否认的态度。
我们多多少少应该都有过忘记的经历,像忘了带笔忘了带书出门等等,当我们发现自己忘记的时候恰好就是我们发现我们需要这个东西,而自己却没有的那一刻,心情必然是懊恼中存在着懊悔的感情。
所如果我们记得那就是我们所需要的东西,如果我们不记得那就是意味着他不需要存在,不记得的东西自然不感兴趣。
所以Urizen说的不记得,不但表达他没有这方面的记忆,也包含了不需要的意思。就像V还残留魔力一样,Urizen也是存在记忆的,但这些是属于身体记忆,与作为人性(V)意义是完全不同的。
可以说,Urizen某个程度是理想中有几率战胜自己弟弟的自己,拥有强大身躯不再被人性(记忆、感情、道德)所束缚着,纯正的毫无感情的野兽一样的恶魔。
Let us now look at Urizen's attitude towards V.
The V perspective on Urizen is largely known.
So what does Urizen think of V? It could not be more obvious to him that he hates it.
It is a being that causes him to be weak rather than allowing for the ability to perfect himself, a weak part that he scorns as belonging to himself.
Urizen is not confused by feelings because they are things he simply does not need and naturally does not have. Urizen's lines in DMC5: "I have no memory of this place. It's just an illusion created by the fruit."
And in DMC3, Dante had said the line to Virgil, "I have no father." The same implies that I don't need a father, which he clearly has, but he's showing denial here.
We have all forgotten at one time or another, forgotten pens, forgotten books, etc., and the moment we find ourselves forgetting is the moment we realise that we need the thing and we don't have it, and the feeling of remorse is inevitably present in the form of anguish.
So if we remember it is what we need, if we don't remember it means that it doesn't need to exist, and what we don't remember is naturally of no interest.
So when Urizen says he does not remember, he not only expresses that he has no memory of it, but also contains the idea that it is not needed. Just as V still has residual magical powers, Urizen also has memories, but these are physical memories, which are quite different from the meaning of being human (V).
It could be said that Urizen is, to some extent, the ideal self that has the chance of defeating his brother, a demon with a powerful body no longer bound by humanity (memories, feelings, morals), a pure, emotionless beast.
那么我们现在可以提出一个问题,维吉尔是否是一个不自爱的人?
So we can now ask the question, is Vergil an unself-loving person?
V与Urizen互相厌恶,证明作为本体的维吉尔是完全不自爱,是自我憎恨的自我厌恶的。
Urizen作为恶魔力量与父亲的象征,厌恶着作为人类与孩子代表的V,同样V也厌恶象征父亲与恶魔力量Urizen的行为,两者是如此极端又如此撕裂。
而官方漫画中会直接告诉你,V代表的其实是维吉尔的心,Urizen则是力量。
结合到故事里面情况,V并不会像正常人类那样死亡,而是变成灰一样的情况,他是维吉尔人性/心,而人类的人性是人的情感、记忆、思想的混合体。而人性是需要肉体作为载体的,这个载体,换而言之就是Urizen是维吉尔的肉体,肉体与心灵处于分裂状态,虽然精神已经离开,而肉体还在苟活着。
维吉尔(V)从来没有表达过对恶魔的憎恨,但维吉尔表达过对自己弟弟的愤怒。
在表面上,维吉尔要战胜的对象是但丁,但维吉尔还有一个内心最深处从没表达过敌人,则是Urizen。Urizen与V之间战斗是与自我厌恶做斗争,最终融合也是对自我的和解。
但同样Urizen跟V无法完全单独代表作为整体的维吉尔。
Urizen的行为有些是维吉尔绝对不会做的,V有些想法也是维吉尔绝对不会透露的。
维吉尔虽然喜欢力量,但不是所有力量都可以接受,他也会挑嘴来,我们可否还记得DMC4维吉尔过场中的一句台词:“他们将恶魔视为神明?……嗯,我不能说他们误入歧途,但他们很快就会见识到这份恶魔力量,这份强大到他们无法想象,这份斯巴达之子的力量。”
而V有着维吉尔自己都在否定的情绪与懦弱的想法,这是他不想被人知道。
如果只在乎Urizen是维吉尔,则不在乎V作为维吉尔内心感想、情绪、痛苦、悔恨等等,如果只在意V的话,那么就忽视了Urizen的行为对人类而言的错误性。
Urizen作为维吉尔一个组成部分,体现的也正是维吉尔性格中傲慢与叛逆那一部分,或者说Urizen最像维吉尔的地方让人感觉到他就是维吉尔不完全的本身,除了力量沉迷之外,就是M17兄弟之战时候,他才表现好像残留那么一点点的人性像是维吉尔的样子,让人觉得他好像有记忆他都记的。但我们也必须清晰的认识到,维吉尔的行为对于人类而言是不对的,是不可取的。
无论漫画、小说、还是游戏内,没有任何一点对于维吉尔行为给人带来的伤害是处于肯定的,肯定过是维吉尔的不屈的精神而不是行为。
人一旦无法自爱,前往极端那就是自我伤害,而一个无法自爱的人是无法去爱其他人的,更不会是顾忌其他人。
The fact that V and Urizen loathe each other proves that Vergil as an essence is totally unloving and self-hating self-loathing.
Urizen, as the symbol of demonic power and fatherhood, loathes V as the representative of humanity and children, and likewise V loathes the actions of Urizen, the symbol of fatherhood and demonic power, both so extreme and so torn.
The official manga will tell you straight away that V actually represents Vergil's heart and Urizen is the power.
Combined with the situation inside the story, V doesn't die like a normal human, but turns into an ash-like situation; he is Vergil's humanity/heart, and human humanity is a mixture of human emotions, memories, and thoughts. And human nature requires a physical body as a vehicle, and this vehicle, in other words Urizen, is Vergil's physical body, which is in a split state from the mind, although the spirit has left while the physical body is still lingering.
Vergil (V) never expresses his hatred of demons, but Vergil expresses his anger at his brother.
On the surface, Vergil's defeat is against Dante, but Vergil also has an enemy he has never expressed in his innermost being, Urizen, whose battle with V is a struggle against self-loathing, and whose ultimate fusion is a reconciliation of the self.
But again, Urizen and V cannot fully represent Vergil as a whole on their own.
Urizen acts in ways that Vergil would never do, and V thinks in ways that Vergil would never reveal.
Vergil likes power but not all power is acceptable and he picks his words, can we remember a line from the DMC4 Vergil over scene: "They see demons as gods? ...... Well, I can't say they're misguided, but they'll soon see this demonic power, this power so strong they can't imagine it, this power of the sons of Sparta."
And V has emotions and cowardly thoughts that Vergil himself is in denial about, which he doesn't want to be known for.
If one cares only that Urizen is Vergil, one does not care about V's inner feelings, emotions, pain, remorse, etc., as Vergil, and if one cares only about V's words, then one ignores the wrongness of Urizen's actions as far as humanity is concerned.
Urizen, as an integral part of Vergil, embodies that part of Vergil's character that is arrogant and rebellious, or rather the part of Urizen that is most like Vergil feels like he is Vergil in his incomplete self, except for his power obsession, and it is only during the battle of the M17 brothers that he acts as if a little bit of his humanity remains like Vergil, making it seem as if he has memories that he remembers. But we must also clearly understand that Vergil's behaviour is wrong and undesirable for humanity.
At no point in the comic, the novel, or within the game is there any affirmation of the harm Vergil's actions have caused to people; it is Vergil's unyielding spirit that is affirmed rather than his actions.
Once a person is incapable of self-love, going to the extreme is self-harm, and a person who is incapable of self-love is incapable of loving others, much less caring for them.
而关于维吉尔为什么还在做当年的事情?
And about why Vergil is still doing what he did back then?
在DMC3的设定图有一行关于维吉尔结局的解说:维吉尔的故事的开始。
是的,这个人的故事才开始。
那之后他的遭遇到dmc5开场之前其实就是:被打败、被洗脑、被折磨、带着残破身体不知道怎么活下来。那么在这种状态的人,是不可能突然觉醒出现:啊!我应该保护人类!
就像你现在得病非常痛苦,你一般也不会突然想都怪没我做善事,而是更多会想,这个医药费怎么那么贵。当然如果你有宗教信仰,那属于非一般情况了。
要是有个人在旁边叽叽哇哇又不帮忙,平时说你都不听吃吃吃,你看你现在可好了。那大几率你出现不会是,痛哭流涕我错了,而是知道我错了但你好烦。有些��况你会越想越生气。
当然我个人认为维吉尔还是占反派的优势,因为反派可以表现比主角的行为不正确,但情感更加丰富而多样,可以堕落、可以颓废、可以不正确更多呈现人性的复杂。
主角毕竟还是承担故事里面超人这个义务的。
In the DMC3 setting art there is a line of commentary about Vergil's ending: the beginning of Vergil's story.
Yes, the man's story has only just begun.
What happens to him after that up until the opening of DMC5 is actually: defeated, brainwashed, tortured, and left with a broken body with no idea how he survived. It is impossible then for someone in that state to suddenly awaken and appear, "Ah! I should protect humanity!" Such a consciousness would not have been possible.
Dante's lines with Vergil before DMC5 do not mention anything about protecting humans in order to become strong or protecting important things in order to become strong, and the lines in DMC3 say that he believes in inheriting the spirit of Sparta, but there is no complete statement of what this spirit is, so this spirit has been speculated to be about protecting humans, protecting the weak and protecting important things.
Of course I personally think that Vergil still has the advantage of the villain, because the villain can behave incorrectly than the protagonist, but with more rich and varied emotions, can be depraved, can be decadent and can incorrectly present more of the complexity of human nature.
The protagonist, after all, still takes on the obligation of being Superman within the story.
人追求像上帝一样完美,亦寻求像恶魔一样的堕落,这也是人心理需求的一种状态。
当上帝教条绑住人,使得人受着精神上的痛苦时,人反而会走向堕落而非继续升华自己。
Urizen是天堂也是地狱,V在天堂也在地狱,这是一个人体内两个情况,也是人复杂的表现。
爱恨,享乐与物欲,在真、善、美与假、恶、丑的比照中。
我们可以感受到,尘世生活中一切并非尽善尽美,与其对立面也不是具有天然的鸿沟。
人毕竟是再平凡不过的,具有七情六欲的生活者,是既伟大又渺小得可怜,任何微弱的自然界的风浪,抑或人们自我的争斗,都会使他们自己有限的知识、体力难以承受这些考验,更不用说道德、情感、以及理想的沦落了。当然,物欲亦是人类自身最经不起时间和意志考验的脆弱之点了。
从人类自身而言,缺陷是无时无刻存在的。
但就另一方面来说,如果没有以上种种矛盾的对比现实生活也许就不是千姿百态,而变成索然寡味的一潭死水。那便是人人喊打的虚假乌托邦,人从根本失去了自由,成为一个个索然无味的复制品,同一个思想同一套模式,这样得多无聊啊。
这样毫无进步的社会迟早被遗弃。
同时,人自身及其缺陷也是在压力和苦难中得到某种磨砺和修补。当然这个前提,人必须审视自身,去认识自我。
故事中维吉尔通过剖开自我,从心(V)里面认识到自身的行为(Urizen)是怎么一番模样,在DMC5开场中一直认为自己是力量不足才导致悲剧的发生,从Urizen身上意识到这不是力量不够的问题。他在不断厌恶Urizen的行为中意识到自己的错误,随着剧情发展,死亡的逼近,在崩溃之下透露的真心话对他人的坦诚与对过去的释怀,也都走完一段自我完善的道路。
最终合体那一刻,他最终获得与自我和解的结局,他终于可以也学会爱自己,那个以丑陋面目追求力量抛弃一切的自己,也是自己的一部分。他从来不是一个好人,也不是一个什么在其他方面显得高尚的人,他真切渴望想要力量想要变强,他没有继承过这种东西也没去想继承什么斯巴达精神。那一天想去回家拯救自己父母与兄弟行为与想法,对于年幼孩子而言,这毫无疑问是拥有着高尚的人性光辉。但这也是他的人生,也渴望能够彻底战胜一次自己的兄弟,而不是去否定这一切,企图当成从没发生过也没有存在过,而是肯定这一切确实是存在,即使现实并不是那么美好。
即使这满地的鲜血中,也有想要去肯定是存在的事实,不会去否认这一切并非自己所为,也不会去逃避这一切与他无关的事物,无论人生是否拥有成就,他也确实存在着,在经历这一切之后依旧心怀对美好怀有希望。
V理解了U,U也渴望着V。他已经认识了自我,并从中审视了自我,从死亡中得到跃升,从诅咒中拯救了自己,并爱着自己。无论母亲的还是父亲的诅咒都无法再对他生效,他最终从童年的阴影中挣脱出来,重获新生。
毕竟他是要与弟弟再决斗一次才能从地狱回来,即使要砍树要关门,按顺序要排在与但丁决战之后的,他确实希望解决与但丁之间的那些问题,但我们也可以从DMC5过场中看到维吉尔复活之后的转变,比如他恢复本体之后对尼禄的道谢,在M20尼禄出现时他的态度变化。
那是一种比较尴尬情况,如果要打但丁我们则会发现,尼禄与他战斗,但丁会出面阻止尼禄战斗;如果但丁继续要与他战斗,那就进入尼禄会去与但丁战斗的可能。如果是以前的维吉尔,那应该会非常死脑筋坚持继续与但丁战斗,但m20维吉尔台词表现态度却是:既然都是要打败但丁,那尼禄代打也未尝不可。
当然在尼禄来之前,兄弟胜负是死亡还是存活,谁他不知道,但他接受死亡是一种结束,无论人生有没有意义、输或赢在死后一切将变得不再重要。
他思想从激烈自我斗争中归于和平,从迷途重新返回,肉体方面的堕落给予他精神上的进化。这也是互相分裂又统一的理论,与我们之前提到的阴影理论是一致的。
阴影、黑暗、另一个黑暗双胞胎、另一个我。这是生命力的源头,是创造力的源头,也是自我厌恶但又无法缺失那一部分。没有对立就没有进步,吸引与排斥,理性与力量,爱与恨是人类生存所必不可少的。
维吉尔他的旅途从来都是苦难,没有一丝值得观看的风景。但他清醒过来了,他救了自己并建造了天堂。你甚至可以看到DMC5结尾中出现的地狱与任何一作出现过地狱都完全不同的。
而在神曲里面,但丁也是在白色蔷薇花或者说白色植物之中,看见了上帝。
在DMC5中安排这个城市,也是他出生地方,在这里他放下了曾经挣扎过、强求过、渴望过、怨恨过、爱过的一切,回去他来的地方,迎接他这趟叛逆的惩罚,永无止境战斗着。
It is a state of psychological need for man to seek God-like perfection and devil-like depravity.
When God's dogma binds man and makes him suffer spiritually, he will instead fall rather than continue to elevate himself.
Urizen is both heaven and hell, V in heaven and hell, two situations within one person, and a manifestation of the complexity of man.
Love and hate, hedonism and materialism, in the contrast between the true, the good and the beautiful and the false, the evil and the ugly.
We can feel that everything in earthly life is not perfect, nor is there a natural divide between its opposites.
After all, human beings are no more than ordinary human beings, and those who live with their seven passions and desires are both great and pitifully small. Any feeble storm of nature, or the struggle of people themselves, will make it difficult for their own limited knowledge and physical strength to withstand these tests, not to mention the fall of morals, emotions and ideals. Of course, materialism is also the weakest point of human beings themselves, which cannot stand the test of time and will.
In human terms, flaws are always present.
But on the other hand, without the contradictions mentioned above, life would not be so varied, but would be a pool of stagnant water. It would be a false utopia that everyone would be crying out for, where people would lose their freedom and become tasteless replicas of the same idea and the same model.
A society without progress would sooner or later be abandoned.
At the same time, man himself and his defects are sharpened and repaired by stress and suffering. Of course, this presupposes that one must look at oneself and get to know oneself.
In the story, Vergil is able to cut himself open and realise from his heart (V) what his own behaviour (Urizen) is like, and in the opening scene of DMC5 he thinks that his lack of strength is the cause of the tragedy. He realises the error of his ways as he continues to loathe Urizen's actions, and as the plot progresses and death approaches, the honesty he reveals under his breakdown to others and the release of his past, both complete a path of self-improvement.
The final moment of merging, the moment he finally gets to the end of his reconciliation with himself, the moment he can finally learn to love himself too, the self that threw away everything in the pursuit of power with an ugly face, is also a part of himself. He was never a good man, nor was he a noble man in any other way, he really wanted to be powerful and strong, he didn't inherit such a thing and he didn't try to inherit the Spartan spirit. The idea of going home that day to save his parents and brothers was, no doubt, a noble human act for a young child. But it was also his life, and the desire to overcome his brother once and for all, not to deny it all, to try to pretend it never happened or existed, but to affirm that it did exist, even if the reality was not so beautiful.
Even in the midst of all this blood, there is a desire to affirm the fact that it exists, not to deny that it is not his own doing, not to run away from what is not his business, that he does exist, whether he has achieved anything in life or not, and that after all this he still has hope for the good.
V understands U and U desires V. He has come to know himself, has looked at himself, has taken the leap from death, has saved himself from the curse, and loves himself. Neither his mother's nor his father's curse can take effect on him any longer, and he finally breaks free from the shadows of his childhood and regains his life.
After all, he was to fight another duel with his brother to return from hell, even if he had to cut down a tree and close a door, which in order would have to come after the duel with Dante, and he did want to resolve those issues with Dante, but we can also see the transformation of Vergil after his resurrection in the DMC5 overture, such as his thanks to Nero after he regains his true form and his change of attitude when Nero appears in M20.
That is a rather awkward situation, if we were to fight Dante we would then find that Nero fights him and Dante would step in to stop Nero from fighting; if Dante continues to want to fight him, then enter the possibility that Nero would go and fight Dante. If it had been the old Vergil, that would have been very deadly insistent on continuing to fight Dante, but the m20 Vergil lines show the attitude that since it's all about defeating Dante, it's not a bad idea for Nero to fight instead.
Of course before Nero comes, the brother wins or loses whether he dies or survives, who he does not know, but he accepts that death is a kind of end, whether life has no meaning, loses or wins after death everything will become unimportant.
His mind returns to peace from the fierce struggle of the ego, from the lost way, the physical aspect of his fall giving him a spiritual evolution. This is also the theory of mutual division and unity, which is in line with the theory of shadows we mentioned earlier.
The shadow, the darkness, the other dark twin, the other I. This is the source of the life force, the source of creativity, and the part of the self that is loathed but cannot be missing. There can be no progress without opposition, attraction and repulsion, reason and power, love and hate are essential to human existence.
Vergil's journey was never one of suffering, without a glimpse of the landscape worth watching. But he came to his senses, he saved himself and built heaven. You can even see that the Hell that appears in the end of DMC5 is completely different from any other where Hell has appeared.
And in the Divine Comedy, Dante also sees God among the white rosebuds or white plants.
In DMC5 arranges this city, the place where he was born, where he lets go of everything he once struggled with, forced, longed for, resented and loved, and goes back to where he came from to meet the punishment of his rebellion on this trip, fighting forever.
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踏入本世纪一零年代,两制在每一环节上都遭大幅削弱。精英陆续吸纳进政协等统战机构,原有香港体制不断变质,局面不断破损,不少香港人感到前路茫茫。但我认为香港并非无险可守,因为还有一道最后屏障:文化区隔。
2019年6月12日,香港反送中集会
今年10月1日,我在伦敦大学东方与非洲研究学院(SOAS)主办的香港政治前途研讨会上介绍了香港文化独立的概念。“文化独立”这四个字,既有历史与学术内涵,也在当今香港政治环境里有现实意义。容我先聚焦后者,替这论题作一定位。
几年前,为缓和本地年轻“独自派”当中的激烈抗争情绪、希望幼嫩的新民主运动能够避开政权的严酷打压,我提议大家可朝“法理港独”的方向思考,即在现存法律容许的范围内建构一种重理性的港中区隔,以抗衡京港当权派致力推动的港中融合。
缘起
法理港独涵盖甚广,包括“国祚尽时的港独”、“研究型港独”、“双赢港独”等等。“文化独立”也可以是法理港独的一种,寻求在进取性的“政治独立”以外,开辟一个宽阔温和的空间,以巩固年轻人最重视、却所剩无几的“香港性”。这是一种主要是认知领域内的心智探索和说理活动,是内向防守性的,政治上非进取的。
踏入本世纪一零年代,两制在每一环节上都遭大幅削弱。精英陆续吸纳进政协等统战机构,原有香港体制不断变质,局面不断破损,不少香港人感到前路茫茫。但我认为香港并非无险可守,因为还有一道最后屏障:文化区隔。
这是一道人人可守的天然屏障,因为文化这回事,广义而言,就是人伦日用、衣食住行、语言文字图像影画方面的所有大小事物。我们参与其中,无时无刻不承传着它、改变着它,分别是自觉还是不自觉,以及自觉之后又怎么做。
我并非说文化这个屏障很易守。其实文化也是重灾区,语言文字有点守不住,出版界、娱乐界和传媒——所有一直以来有体制可资依附的文化活动则几乎完全失陷。香港人不能再寄望体制提供可靠的屏障。
体制不足靠
在伦敦,我曾就这个问题与我一向尊敬的李柱铭先生讨论。他认为没必要提文化独立,因为香港本来就和中国不一样,最大分野是我们有法治。我不完全同意他的看法,因为文化层面很广,法治和守法精神仅是其中部份;而且,法治很靠体制,中国只要在体制里再动点手脚,多释几次法、换一些人,香港的法治就崩溃。文化的独立不止于“不一样”,我们需要培植一种政权搬移不动、会生根的东西。
体制既不可靠,剩下的一片,就是体制所不能及的社会空间。然而,便是在这片仅剩的文化空间里,要加强港中区隔,也不容易。原因是,港中文化尽管差异甚大,但论上层主流,则大体同一,即我们熟知的中土汉文化。这是一个港中之间的现成通道,透过它,中国文化产品源源不绝渗透香港。以娱乐为例,本来流行香港的粤语剧、日剧、韩剧,七七八八都被中剧淹没了,尤其在中小学的最年轻人当中。
还不止此,便是有意识作港中区隔的朋友,也无奈失语,以致要捍卫香港人的语言,打出的旗帜却只能是捍卫“粤”语;试图在整个文化领域别树一帜,却只能把分野画到五岭山脉,认同于“岭南文化”。如果我们意识到,正音粤语及其所出自的上层岭南文化,都是中土帝国主义文化扩张的一部份,那么当我们喊出“捍卫粤语”、“承传岭南文化”的时候,其实还不是在寻求港中文化区隔,而只不过是争取保留一点地方色彩、争取站到中国文化的某一个角落而已,虽然那也是一个受古今中土政权冷待、歧视甚至打压、早晚要清扫掉的角落。那是很悲哀的。文化独立不是仅仅争取保留地方色彩。
不仅仅是保留地方色彩
我们是在这样的逻辑、事实和现实之下谈论文化独立的,因此困难。
不过,我讲的文化独立却不是对抗性的,并不以汉文化乃至汉化了的岭南文化为敌。相反,我自己十分钟情汉文化,非常尊敬孔夫子这位古人的学养和品德,这在我的朋友圈子里大家都知道。在世界历史范围里,非对抗性的文化独立有重要先例可缓。
70年来,中国文化受马列毛共抑制,死水一潭。但是如果香港发展出迥然独特、与中不同的文化,便是政治上始终独立不了,永远是中国一部份(那是可预计的将来里接近1的高概率事件),对中国文化的贡献,显然也会非常正面。因此,文化独立是一种双赢独立。做得好,中国无需打压亦无从打压。
世界史范围里的两个最重要的非对抗性文化独立事例,大处其实大家耳熟能详。头一个发生在日本。日本文化从中国独立出去,始于宋元二朝交替、蒙古军队第二次远征日本失败之后的时段,之后经过数世纪才大致完成,远远落在日本政治独立之后。日本的政治独立,一般认为始发于日本史上的飞鸟时代:推古天皇15年(公元607年),日人小野妹子代表倭王向中国隋炀帝递国书,上款写“日出处天子致书日没处天子无恙”,表明日本的独立国地位。
为什么日本文化从中国文化独立出去,是要待到宋元交替的时候才有意识地开始的呢?日本中国史大师内藤湖南(1866-1934)对此有论断。
宋元交替——日本文化独立
日本受中国文化影响至深,中国文化传入日本而成为其主体文化,在周秦时期开始,至唐宋达峯;宋朝理学几乎无延迟地传到日本,成为其知识阶层的显学。但是,宋朝文化鼎盛,竟败亡给文化发展相对原始的蒙古人。更匪夷所思的是,宋朝不单覆亡了,大批南宋高官和知识分子跑的跑、投降的投降,不少还赶紧钻到元朝政府里做事。这包括宋末大儒许衡,以及后来当上忽必烈的宰相的刘秉忠。刘是所谓的“紫金五儒”之一,其他还包括郭守敬、王恂等人。刘根据《周礼.考工记》对天子之都的详细想像,负责建造了元大都,即北京古城。其他四位“紫金五儒”和刘一样,都入仕蒙元。日本人对其文化母国如此轻易就在华夷之防的大问题上整个崩溃,其知识分子不仅反抗无力,连意愿也几乎没有,简直看儍了眼。这是一个最强烈冲击,是日本文化独立第一因。
第二因是随之发生的“蒙古来袭”。1271年,蒙古帝国中国部成立,随即侵占并臣服高丽。忽必烈的强大水师于1274、1281年两次渡过日本海,抵达今天福冈沿岸博多湾一带登陆。第一次无功而回。第二次以数倍兵力进犯,依然占不到上风,最后遇上“神风”,蒙古舰队全军覆没。日本人于是认为这是上天之意,大和民族遂自命为神的子孙。
有此二因,日本知识界生出了文化独立的清晰自觉。然而,这个文化独立不是对抗性的,日本人至今珍视中华文明,甚至让中国人有礼失求诸野之叹,那是大家熟知的。内藤湖南在他的论文集《日本历史与日本文化》一书里,对其后几百年日本国民在多领域里的文化独立实践有很详细的分析,我会另文介绍。
以下谈美国文化从英国文化独立出去的过程。
不是地球村
美国于1776年宣布在政治上从英国独立出去,过程非常痛苦。前一年开始的抗英战争打了八年,最后在法军的支持之下得胜。1783年,英国在《巴黎和约》上签字,承认美国独立。美国当时的人口只有250万,战争中牺牲7万,即2.8%。其后英国并不甘心失去大片殖民地,继续在经贸方面封锁美国;美国国内中上阶层亲英派大批移民加拿大,造成美国经济不振,而加拿大却得以繁荣。紧张关系终于导致1812年的英美战争,史称“第二次美国独立战争”。英军一度攻陷华盛顿,连白宫也烧毁了,比火烧圆明园还厉害;打了三年,英国方肯罢休。
读这段美国史,会发现一个我们今天在“地球村”观念深入人心的思想境况之下容易忽略、却不难明白的事实:美国立国初年的民族主义很强烈,“他”、“我”分野明显;支持独立的爱国派(Patriots)和反对独立的精忠派(Loyalists)之间的敌意,绝不比今天香港独统二派之间的少。
其实,美国自立国之初、包括第一任总统华盛顿以降的多位总统,无一不为巩固新生国家的主权、建立美国人政治身份认同而焦虑无间。第五任总统James Monroe(门罗主义的提出人,华盛顿总统很看得起的一个晚辈),更是其中表表者。美国史家Harry Ammon替他写的传记《詹姆士.门罗——民族身份认同的追求》,是迄今学术界公认最好的。Ammon在序言中特别提醒说:“1776年那辈美国人并不把美国革命仅仅理解为切断与英国的连体关系,而视之为一次创建全新体制的事情。他们的终极目的,是要在美洲建起一个在根本原则和国民气质上与旧世界迥然不同的民族国家,并以此为己任。”
“与法国革命的领导人不同的是,门罗那辈的美国政治家并没有要拯救世界的使命意识。他们以建立新的美国体制为第一优先。他们相信,当这件工作完成之后,美国才能成为世界的一个榜样,从而发挥精神上的感召力。”
华盛顿、门罗、特朗普:美国优先
有人以为当今美国总统特朗普是喊出“美国优先”的极右派第一人,但显然错了。无论特朗普个人品德如何恶劣,他的政治取向其实是借用了华盛顿以至门罗等美国开国先贤的想法而已。我们当然可以批评他开历史倒车,却不能忽略,“地球村”理论是环球资本主义时期才出现的意识形态,甚至可能成为了这个主义的发展工具。
可以这样理解,法国革命因为不是寻求独立,所以没有民族主义倾向,更不必提什么法国优先,因为那些概念都是离题的。它的使命不是民族解放,而是在阶级斗争的恶质上升华出人的解放。但美国革命却与此相反,是要联合各阶级,包括南方的传统地主、奴隶主和北方的新兴工业资本家,打倒殖民母国的主权压迫。两国的革命都没错,因为所处的环境和要解决的问题都不同。
这个分野,对今天香港社运中的一个基本分歧——所谓本土主义和左翼民主主义之间的分歧,有参照意义。到底,今天我们在香港面对中共及其支持者的打压,其性质是更接近阶级压迫还是民族压迫?我们今天在香港推动的要民主、反极权运动,应该是直接求取无产阶级乃至人性的终极解放,还是先要联合各阶级各社群对抗一个外来的异体?
然而,相对于美国立国初期领导人汲汲于建立与英国和欧洲大陆的政治区隔和独特的身份认同,美国的学术界却持续在1776年之后的半个世纪里一直唯英国及欧洲大陆的文化马首是瞻。
英国文化源远流长,内涵丰富,美国立国的主要思想资源——宗教信仰(清教)和政治哲学(民主),都源自英国;赖以思想的语言,就更不用说。如何摆脱英国文化影子而自创一格,进而为人类作出独特贡献,是当时很少数美国知识分子不懈思考的大问题。
走出英国文化影子
1837年,爱默生(R.W. Emerson,1803-1882)发表了题为〈The American Scholar〉的演说,完整扼要地提出创建新的美国文化的号召,后世思想史家尊之为“美国思想界的独立宣言”。之后的四分一世纪里,美国文化界人才辈出,他们的世界级作品都在此期间问世。爱默生所想望的,竟在他有生之年实现了。之后逐渐成熟的美国文化独树一帜,品味和理路完全和英国不同,却承传了英国文化的所有优点,既有浓烈民族特色,也饱含普世价值。
在演讲词里,爱默生直白提出美国文化独立的主张:“我们在学问上当别国的学徒、靠挂别人的日子要完结了。我们周遭涌现的百万新人口,不能永远用外国干瘪了的余粮喂养。”
但爱默生并不摆出一副搞文化批斗的架势,而是小心铺排他的人文哲学,一种在英国和欧洲大陆已被古老历史埋没、必须在新大陆圹野的原始纯朴里重新发掘的人文哲学。他讲人性复归,讲天人合一、格物致知。
谈到知识分子的角色,他说:“按社会分工,读书人负责思考。在正常状态里,他是一个思考着的人。在退化的状态里,他变成仅仅一个思考匠,或更糟糕地,成为了一只学舌的鹦鹉。”
爱默生不排外拒古,反而鼓励人们读古代人的书、英国人的书;但“正如要创造地书写,也须创造地阅读。”
他认为读经典重在读出经典的原创意念而不在具体章句:“创作活动的崇高,变成了作品的崇高。游吟着的诗人是灵慧的,此后他的诗句也便是灵慧的。……(若这样想,)书本马上发出霉臭,指引变成指令。”
这是非常颠覆的讲法。我试应用在中国近代史的经典建构和书写上。“中华民族”四个字是非常出色的一个政治创意,建基于兴中会、同盟会的“驱除鞑虏、复我中华”在建国前夜一变而成为的“五族共和”。今天汉族人跳过那个创意而接受了“五族共和”的说法,固然强烈认知民国以来的秋海棠叶形中国版图,却无法了解诸如西藏的长期不服、文革序幕是惨烈的蒙古内人党事件、台湾势必是新西兰的翻版、香港也生出分离主义,以及最近从新疆传出的那些不方便事实。
爱默生的颠覆
美国思想史家、约翰霍金斯大学历史系教授Larzer Ziff的力作《文学民主:美国文化独立宣言》,介绍了六位美国19世纪上半期的思想家、小说家和诗人,并推崇其中的爱默生为先知。其余五位分别是:作家Herman Melville、Edgar Allan Poe、Nathaniel Hawthorne,思想家Henry David Thoreau,诗人Walt Whitman。
这些人并非个个都是自觉的文化独立倡议者。Melville开始写作的时候,甚至不是一个很有学问的人,当不成教师,做小生意也失败,在陆地无以立足,于是索性报名当水手去捕鲸;那几乎是当时最低贱、最危险也最没有出息的职业,却造就了后来他的写作事业,让他写出新大陆第一本世界级的文学作品《白鲸记》;把小人物的小事迹写得顶天立地,那是当时欧洲特别是英国文学里未曾有过的。
又例如Hawthorne,非常保守,在南北战争一事上,他并不认为北方全对而南方全错,他要尊重各地区的人的生活方式,认为抽象价值不足以支持北方对南方动武。但在他的文学作品里,他的价值观念却十足前卫。我们拿他的代表作《The Scarlet Letter》(《红字母》)和之前英国文学所达到的最后高峯即所谓的novel of manners(我译作“态度小说”)做比较,就很清楚。
英国的“态度小说”,可以Jane Austen的作品《傲慢与偏见》为代表,主要是在现存社会结构和道德规范之下,透过细腻的笔法,写出“有教养”人物对情与欲的挣扎和克制,树立社会风尚典型。这种写作的社会目的和手法在18世纪末的美国也大行其道,例如Edith Wharton的《The Age Of Innocence》(我译作《纯真纪》),更可谓青出于蓝。大家记得这部小说结尾那幕,地点选在浪漫的巴黎,但男女主人公20余年不能相见最后可以相见却又彼此都选择不见,不可谓不感人,歌颂的是道德规范之下的自制与升华。
但在Hawthorne笔下的美洲大陆,政治解放不能不同时带来人性解放。《红字母》中的女主角有了私生子;她承认违反了当时的法律,愿意接受裁决,却认为情与欲俱出自心性,何罪之有。于是她把法律加诸她身上的两种惩罚——胸前须挂一个红色A字(A for adultery)、不得与人交谈——都变成自己的选择,甚至当舆论回心转意、对她的惩罚终止以后,她依然选择沉默。这和“态度小说”的主旋律比,乃南辕北辙。
篇幅所限,Ziff书中其他几位人物的作品和思想,不能一一介绍。
结语
日本和美国的文化独立都有其政治背景,都是在这两个民族国家从其文化母国作出了政治独立之后发生的。如果我们承用Benedict Anderson的说法,把民族理解为“想像的共同体”的话,文化就是这个共同体自然分泌出的黏合物;当这个浑沌的物自身演化出他我意识的时候,文化就走上独立;但如果这个自觉了的共同体是受制于另一政治实体的话,就会本能地进一步求取政治独立,如同瓜熟蒂落。在这个论述底下,日本和美国的政治独立走在了文化独立之先,好像本末倒置、错了时序,还未做好准备工夫就发生了。一个历史解释是,这两起历史发展都发生在促生现代国际秩序的西伐利亚和约以外的时空,因而是可能的。在今天,国家观念和国际秩序普遍固化,政治独立就没有那么便宜。
不过,文化和政治到底是两码事,两者的发展,之间并没有必然因果关系或先后次序。如果我的了解没错,余英时先生认为思想发展有其自身的逻辑和规律,其范式突破每每是一种内向超越,政治因素只提供其发生时的若干表现形式。因此,当我们思考和实践香港文化独立的时候,并不需要把政治的方向性带入文化空间作指引。
就今天香港文化已经表现出来的气质而言,其与古今中国文化的差异,已不亚于日本文化之于中国文化。但我们也应该特别虚心接受中土文化对香港文化几十年来的传统评价:我们的确还与那“文化沙漠”的说法距离不远,正如18世纪的美洲大陆,相对欧洲和英国文化而言,是一片蛮荒。然而不可思议的是,Ziff笔下那六位美国文化独立的理论和实践先驱,以及他们在文化上的成就,竟然都是在1837-1861那短短四分一世纪里同时涌现的。好像时不我予,但观近几年香港文化界年轻人的跃跃欲试和已有表现,我有理由期待这里出现同样的黄金突破。
参考资料:
1.《日本历史与日本文化》,内藤湖南,北京商务印书馆2012年中译本。
2.《James Monroe-the Quest for National Identity》, Harry Ammon,APB Press,1997 edition.
3.The American Scholar,Ralph Waldo Emerson,1837(speech)
https://la.utexas.edu/users/……kPEEEmersonAmerSchTable.pdf
4.《Literary Democracy-The Declaration of Cultural Independence in America》,Larzer Ziff,Penguin Press,1982.
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