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#There's heavy elements of that in how they conceptualized penetrator vs penetrated but the erastes (lover/protector) and eromenos (beloved)
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Absolutely death gripped clenched trying not to comment on reductive posts on ancient greek homosexual relationships
#It is neither wholly '0mg two gay guys in love!!' and 'I am humiliating and debasing a lower man by making a woman out of him'
#There's heavy elements of that in how they conceptualized penetrator vs penetrated but the erastes (lover/protector) and eromenos (beloved)
#relationship was significantly more complex than that
#Like it is conceptualized as sort of a mentor/mentee relationship and a positive element for an adolescent's development
#It was the subject of romantic plays and you get things like people in antiquity in heated debates over who is the
#erastes and who is the eromenos between Achilles and Patroclus (to better depict them in plays)
#The bottom line is more 'the socially accepted m/m relationships were (what we would now consider) an adult and a child
#(or young man) with the age difference being a fundamental element to the dynamic.'
#And more broadly being penetrated in sex assigned a 'lower' or 'womanly' role and it would not be conventionally accepted
#for an older/more socially powerful man to recieve penetration (which certainly DID happen though)
#So absolutely a moment in the history of male homosexuality and not something to just go 'ew ew bad evil ewwie' about but also
#not something you want to project modern conceptions of LGBT identity upon
#Also we know relatively little about relationships between women in ancient Greece due to lack of sources due to being a
#highly patriarchal culture but we can't actually know that they did not involve similar power dynamic
#Certainly not to the same extent or in such a well socially defined way (bc they conceptualize sex almost entirely through a lens of
#penetration) but I think you should be treating relations between ancient Greek women with the same degree of
#historical distance from our lives and identities today.
#Ok death grip failed I just typed an entire rant. Fiuck it
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