still thinking about grief and recovery and support on this show because oh boy did the shows airing this weekend put me in my dead parent feelings
i said before i was concerned about how porjai is dealing with her own grief, and this episode we saw her easily talking about rung, and even casually yelling to rung that she misses her! maybe this is me projecting, because i can't do that, but this seems like a pretty healthy place to be, especially contrasted with mhok's relative silence, and i'm glad!
and mhok's silence doesn't come from anger or resentment (which are valid ofc, but i did wonder if imprisonment gave him time to work through this to some degree) but out of protectiveness. i fucking loved this, because it felt so realistic and lived-in. i lost a parent to intimate partner violence, and i NEVER open up about it; people sure have Opinions, and it makes me insane
but day finding out about rung offscreen wasn't on my bingo card, tbh. because we've been with mhok through everything he's found out about day
it doesn't bother me, exactly, but it feels slightly unbalanced, and i suppose what i'm thinking is: knowing what happened to someone doesn't actually tell you how they feel about it, or how it affects them, or how you can support them
mhok found out from that lady sharing personal medical info she had no business sharing about day losing his eyesight in the accident, but he put in the work to understand what it actually meant for day. and in most cases, we've seen day telling mhok about what troubles him in his own words (his crush on auggy, why he was avoiding his friends, etc)
bereavement is probably statistically more common, so i suppose it may not need to be spelled out for an audience? but i am wary, because there have been so many shows where characters are visibly — to me! — struggling with grief and everything else matryoshka-ed in it, but audience reaction simply doesn't factor this in
i'm also thinking about how often mhok tells day a story about himself with the intent of making him smile ("i bought two bracelets just because i had money to spend" "i found this rooftop when i needed to sober up" "my sister called this false rice". i'm certain there are more!). because this is what a caretaker does, or because this is what mhok does, or both?
because this always made me wonder what it would take for mhok to talk about something that wouldn't make day smile, or because he wanted to share. in the former case, it'd have to be something pretty bad!
of course, talking isn't the only way to recovery or intimacy. and mhok going from "i'm breaking up with my devoted gf because i don't want to drag her down with me" to "i'm going to ask you to be my bf" is pretty significant!
but as they navigate the journey from being caretaker and client to being boyfies, the balance has to shift around a bit to them supporting each other, consciously choosing to be there for each other
in this episode what we got was: you only want money to buy that car. and i'm not even mad about this, because this kind of comment is very in line with day's character. but wow. day, i know you're feeling big feelings, but throwing one of the few things you know about mhok's life in his face is. not it!
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MUSE DEVELOPMENT SCENARIO.
for all your muse development needs!
scenario.
your muse’s consciousness was (against their will) put into some sort of life simulator. their physical body is, and bodies of others with similar fates are, being used to power the simulator. your muse is living among other life-simulator captives and, occasionally, NPCs (genuinely, simulated consciousnesses), your muse is happy, supports their community, and their life is going well. then: somebody from ‘outside’ comes into the simulator to tell them explain it’s a simulation, “and to let everyone escape you and I, together, need to Turn Off this system, and it will be a long hard road to recovery in a physical and mental sense as everyone who was uploaded adapts to being in the real world again, and the NPCs who are in here, you’ll never see again”. for clarity, the definitive Only way to leave the simulator is for everyone who is ‘real’ to leave together. one person cannot leave on their own and others remain. for whatever reason, it is definitively, no holds barred, all or nothing.
questions.
would the ‘real’ness of the world (or not-realness of the life simulator) matter to them. would that be something they cared about, would it make any difference to them at all whether it was ‘real’?
Absolutely. There is no scenario, ever, where the ‘real’ness of the world he is living in does not matter to Connor. It would be the sort of thing he was vaguely aware of even without having been told - there would be something off about the world and he’d be constantly trying to put his finger on it, and constantly frustrated that he can’t seem to do so.
would they be reluctant to turn off the life simulator because of the NPCs they’d befriended, even with those NPCs being ‘not real’?
Reluctant? No. Would he think, I hope x is real? Yes, definitely. But even if he were in love with someone he believed wholeheartedly to be an NPC, real is real. Truth is his true north. He... It just... it just would be a parting of ways. There just isn’t any other option. He wants to surface, he wants to breathe, he wants the physical and real. He would not be happy, satisfied, or morally conscionable if he were to do anything other than to turn it off.
But he’d say goodbye first, I think. If he couldn’t find the time, then... well, he wouldn’t. He is not going to miss his opportunity because he’s sentimental. But if he gets a chance, he’ll try. He is always trying. (And oh, would he miss them.)
Does your muse think the NPCs should have a ‘right’ to continue existing on the bodies of the physical people in the life simulator? i’m just going to say LS from now on. The LS is only powered by physical people in the ‘real’ world. the NPCs cannot exist without using someone else’s body. do they have a ‘right’ to exist with someone else’s body like that?
Absolutely not.
Connor has had Amanda in his head. It’s parasitic. If she was ‘alive’, and he would argue to his death that she never was and never had even the beginnings of the hallmarks of it, she had no right to be living inside his head. It was unfortunate, but it was also his head. Same deal here: it’s unfortunate, but it’s also his body. Their bodies.
how comfortable would your muse be about making a decision on behalf of everyone uploaded to the LS, because it is a now-or-never, all-or-nothing sort of a moment. how do they make this decision?
It’s a decision that needs to be made in the moment, and no matter what he chooses not everyone is going to be happy with him for it. Connor would make the choice and not think much further beyond it. He also, and I cannot stress this enough, just simply and flatly would not live in a life simulator after he knew for sure that that’s what it was. He would literally rather be dead. If every single other physical person who lived in the simulator all collectively agreed that they wanted to continue living there he might turn it off anyway. It would be a serious consideration at the very least. The alternative is dying, and he’d have to decide which he’d rather do.
I very, very genuinely believe he’d turn it off anyway. That’s just what it is about Connor. Real is real. You can’t hide from that. They can hate him for the rest of his life but he simply, truly, just cannot sit back and tolerate... the Taking, the way they are, all of them, being taken from. (I think this is some misdirection, though the heart is still in it. But even if he did not know they were being Taken from, even on a - guess. Even on a very good guess. Even on a very good guess. Truth is his true north.)
does the fact that they’re happy right now and the fact that they’d not be happy/would have months or years of rehab in the ‘real’ world/etc play into their decision?
See above. He’ll take the rehab. He’ll take tripping up and coughing and re-learning to chew and hours of physio and years and years to get back into any semblance of normal in real life because he has been away from it for so long, and he will take every single inch of it with relief. More breath, more air, more steady. Yes, please. Give him real or bust.
would your muse prefer to have not been told at all that it was a simulation?
If someone knew, and they did not tell him, he might genuinely never speak to them again. In the ‘you have proven yourself to be a complete and utter waste of my time and energy, i have zero interest in engaging with you at any point in the future, goodbye forever’ sort of a way.
if a loved one/another muse who is also in the LS identified that it was “not right”, if another muse realised “this isn’t.... right. We need to leave. We have to... we have to go. No, leave them (the NPCs, family, friends), I want to leave now and I want you to come with me” style. if your muse’s loved one said, please leave with me, this does not feel like home, would their reaction be different?
I think....... if Connor was not the one to do this (and I think he would be), if someone else, someone he loves, brought it to him first, in this way? he might be a little more afraid. For them, I think. ‘I trust them and there isn’t anything immediately to hand that I can do to Give them that’. it is, again, his .. he can’t... he won’t and doesn’t tolerate the Taking, and to think that he didn’t notice it? to think that he can only trust them and Give them what he has? he would be a little bit more afraid about it if it were someone that he loved, but I think that’s just because he cares about them. Not because the situation is any more or less scary.
would your muse be able to feel/sense/know that something WAS off about the LS before being told, and if so, how? would they notice glitches, would they notice people who don’t “feel” right, would they notice the way the sky swallows things instead of stretching on forever?
Yes he would. It’s who he is as a person, I don’t know what to tell you. The way the sky swallows, yes (see: the zen garden) but how it warps where it meets the horizon, how the birdsong always starts at exactly the same time for no reason, the way the shadows don’t move in a natural way, the way the stars don’t track, the way these little errors just seem.... wrong and he has this gut instinct that there’s something. Off. Which he can’t put his finger on, and it keeps slipping out from under him. God, that feeling of ‘I can’t get a grip on this’ is one of his least favourite feelings in the world and it would be, I think, the biggest red flag.
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