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【Is this OUT or SAFE? 】 – an English summary

I put a very abridged translation of Leos Vincent's collab stream with Ange Katrina, Hakase Fuyuki, and Kaida Haru on 8/5/23 in the YouTube comments. I'm posting it here too, so that maybe a few more fans may find it.

In this stream, Leos reads moral dilemmas submitted by fans and asks the group to vote on whether their actions were reasonable (SAFE) or unreasonable (OUT).

1. Topic: Love (starting 00:05:40) Submission: I still use things my ex gave me (a cup, a pencil case and so on.) On top of finding it inconvenient to go buy them for myself, I end up thinking about the cost, so I’ve just been using what I already have. The items themselves are blameless, and the breakup went pretty lightly. Would you throw away the things you received? Would you keep using them?

Unanimous: SAFE

Kaida: “Wouldn’t it make more sense to throw them away when you start dating a new person?” Ange: “If the next person said it made them uncomfortable then I’d throw them away.” Hakase: “If the writer is someone who finds it hard to move on, then I’d suggest throwing them away immediately.” 00:09:10 Kaida raises the stakes with “What if it’s a brand-name item, or super expensive? […] Like a car?” Hakase: “I’ll send it to my parents.” Ange: “Whether it’s expensive or not, I would use it or throw it out depending on how the next person felt.” 00:10:13 Leos: “What about something you had really begged them to buy for you in the past?” Hakase and Kaida in favor of selling it and buying a new one. Ange: “I’d feel guilty about selling it, I think I’d still throw out the old.”

2. Topic: Work (starting 00:13:21) Submission: I don’t feel like greeting people at work, so I’ve gone 5 years without greeting anyone. As in, I don’t like saying “good morning” or “otsukaresamadeshita” (‘thank you for your work.’) I prefer not to bother others with my coming and going at the workplace, and if my senpai’s back is turned to me, they might not even be listening when I greet them. If others greet me first I’ll greet them back normally; I participate in business conversations; I converse with superiors and subordinates and people outside the company. Even so, I just don’t do greetings.

Unanimous: OUT

Hakase: “But if it were between friends, it would be rather fun.” Ange: “It’s not infuriating, but between OUT and SAFE it’s definitely OUT. Leos: “If the writer also didn’t respond to other’s greetings then it would be a total OUT, but […] in the end, it still changes the impression you make.” Kaida: “There’s a sense of camaraderie in greeting people.” 00:17:20 Hakase’s alternate scenario: If it becomes a running gag between friends Kaida: “You’d probably decide what’s right or wrong based on what the people around you consider right or wrong.” Ange: “So, if a group of friends has a norm of never saying good morning, and the new kid comes along and says ‘Good morning!’ it would be really awkward.”

3. Topic: Food (starting 00:19:52) Submission: When I eat daifuku or warabi mochi, I hold them in my hand like you would with a hamster and tell them things like “You’re cute” and “You’re so well-behaved.” My favorite is water manju. I never get bored of petting their springy, cool bodies, and gradually they become warm and seem even more alive, which makes me love them even more. Feeling this at a max, this time I sucked on one without taking a bite, stuck my tongue in to eat the bean paste, and finally enjoyed the rest of it. I just want to get 120% enjoyment out of my love for food. Personally I believe this is a SAFE…

Kaida: “Your fans are yabai.” Ange: “This person probably shouldn’t get a hamster.”

Unanimous: SAFE – Everyone agrees the writer is not causing trouble for other people.

Hakase: “But stating it simply, I’m super grossed out!” Kaida: “If the writer felt lonely and used food as a stand-in, that would be more off-putting… But if this is how they enjoy their food, then there’s no way around it.” 00:22:34 Leos: “If your own family member did this […] would you pay any mind to it?” Hakase: “Like if my little brother did that? I might tell him ‘eh, you’re gross’.” Ange: “I wouldn’t say anything, I’d just look at them like they were insane. ‘Eh? Eh!?’ but probably not out loud.” Kaida: “I think if that person found happiness that way I’d just accept it. Isn’t it fine?” (here is Ange imagining scary hypotheticals where the writer’s way of loving food carries over to an actual hamster) Leos: “You know Yukimi daifuku, that ice cream mochi? […] I usually gum it around for the first two minutes or so. Is that also SAFE? Just wondering.” All: “Also SAFE.” Hakase: “Maybe if there are people around you, you shouldn’t.” Ange: “I feel like I didn’t need to know that.” (Conversation derails to other food things) 00:26:25 Hakase: “A long time ago I disliked the filling of pork buns so I’d only eat the outside.”

4. Topic: Friendship (starts 00:28:29) Submission: I have a childhood friend of 20 years. This friend was a casual person, so running late were canceling were pretty common. Long-standing friendships are a good thing, so I accepted an invitation from them. However, shortly before, I had scheduled a date with a guy I met on a dating app, and knew I’d have to cancel that. Not wanting to betray my friendship, I went ahead and ended the relationship.

Ange, Hakase, Leos: SAFE Kaida: OUT

Hakase: “If it were me, I wouldn’t have ended the relationship, but if I heard that my friend did this, I wouldn’t think badly of them.” Ange: “I think, if you want to end a relationship, then you should end it! Can’t be helped, right?” Kaida (summarized): Not a hard OUT, but if you cancel once on a friend of 20 years, it’s unlikely you’ll lose that friendship. Meanwhile this person has missed out on meeting a new person who might have become important in the future. 00:33:30 Leos poses a hypothetical where the four in this stream have agreed to meet for dinner, and he cancels on them to go on a date with someone from a dating app. “How would you feel? Would you shun my existence?” Everyone agrees they wouldn’t mind. 00:36:08 Leos: “Since Kaida and Hakase are wavering between OUT and SAFE… Ange, please make the final judgment!” Ange: “Personally, I think SAFE.”

5. Topic: Lifestyle (starting 00:37:30) Submission: ‘If no one else is going to use a retort pouch after me, it’s fine not to wash it, right?’ so I thought, and so I don’t wash mine. Anyway, running it under hot water equals disinfection by boiling. I’d assumed everyone was the same, but turns out, people do wash their retort pouches. I’m reluctant. By the way, if I make boiled eggs and the inside of the pouch doesn’t look dirty, I don’t wash it. But surely if it gets out that I’ve been using my retort pouches this way, it’ll draw attention, so I’ve been keeping this a secret from my friends.

Ange and Leos: SAFE Hakase and Kaida: OUT

Kaida’s opinion is based on how you can’t see all contaminants left in the pouch even if it looks clean to the eye. Chicken eggs get dirty because of how they’re laid. Hakase’s opinion is that it doesn’t take much effort to wash a retort pouch, since you would just wash it along with doing dishes like usual. There’s no good reason not to. Ange: “Japan’s chicken eggs are clean! […] By the time they reach the supermarket shelves, they’re perfectly clean. I looked this up before.” 00:42:07 Leos starts an argument over whether it’s hygienic to eat tamagokakegohan (raw egg over rice) based on Kaida’s reasoning 00:44:05 Leos: “As a life hack, what about boiling pasta and a retort pouch together? […] And then storing the pasta in the pouch right away?” Hakase: “No way, no way!” Kaida: “Please use the pot two times!” Ange decides she is fine with it. 00:45:15 Ange: “Then – when you take out a retort pouch to use, since you washed it before putting it away, do you wash it again?” Kaida: “I’d wash it. I’ll rinse it once.” (dramatic gasps) Ange: “Clean freak! […] Ah, so our philosophies really are that different.” Hakase: “I feel like I understand Ange’s opinion better so right now I’d be okay with either answer. […] I would definitely wash my own, but what other people do wouldn’t bother me.” 00:46:28 Leos: “To finish this, let’s have Hakase make the final call. […] Ange and Kaida can each make one last appeal on her judgment.” Hakase: “I see, then… SAFE.” (No appeals granted.)

6. Topic: Family (starting 00:48:13) Submission: I want my little brother to find out that we were born to different parents, since our parents have been hiding it. He is much younger than me. I thought our parents would have told him in middle school, but he has become a college student without ever being informed. If this is judged SAFE, I will do an anniversary reveal.

Ange, Hakase, Kaida: OUT Leos: SAFE

Ange: (referring to her own family tree) “After they found out, I once heard someone say they would have been better off not knowing. […] Also, what kind of anniversary? […] If he’s lived up to this point not knowing, then maybe it’s fine to keep it this way.” Hakase: “First of all, family matters should be discussed with the parents first? […] If the parents say it’s fine to tell him, then it’s fine.” Kaida: “It’s not an individual person’s issue, so everyone affected should participate. […] To the writer, this info may be pretty light, but to the little brother, it’s a huge thing to find out. The reveal needs to be taken more seriously.” Leos: “I see. Hmm, well I very simply thought it would be interesting to reveal it so I answered SAFE.” (Some discussion on how people react differently to life-changing info depending on their personalities) 00:55:26 Kaida: “This one should be OUT. Unless Leos is okay with taking responsibility? […] If it goes badly and you’re asked to pay up or something?” Leos: “… Let’s say this is OUT! This is no good! If you really want to tell him, at least consult your parents first.” Hakase: “Somehow you’ve changed huh.” Ange: “You want to be entertained, but you don’t want to be responsible.”

7. Topic: Love/Money (starting 00:56:30) Submission: Is it okay to go into debt to give presents to a lover? While we were dating, my ex-boyfriend borrowed 1 million for us to have fun and spend on luxury. Over two years, I helped him repay the loan. When this ex-boyfriend proposed to me, he gave me a wristwatch worth some 5 million and a handmade engagement ring that looked like an iron plate. He was again in debt because of the watch and ring, and we paid it off in no time. Overjoyed, he borrowed money to start vocal training and form a band. I thought, ‘Surely getting married won’t go well!?’ and so we went to a Metal Slug 3 concert to commemorate and then peacefully split up. I’d like to hear the guests’ thoughts.

Ange, Hakase, Kaida: OUT Leos: SAFE

Leos: “I do believe there are things that can only be obtained right then and there. […] If there’s something that the other person would be delighted to have, or if you want to have a good time together at that moment, […] whether you break up or not later on, I think SAFE for going into debt to give presents to a lover.” Kaida: “To be blunt, rather than the handmade ring or wristwatch that put him in 5 million of debt, wouldn’t a person be happier receiving a present that cost nothing and brought on no debt? […] Also, there’s a lack of an honor code between this couple.” Hakase: “It says they both helped pay off the debt, but in the end, isn’t it just yourself losing out? Besides, I don’t need a present that puts me in debt. […] I’d just be like, ‘Please use money wisely.’” Ange: “For me – by the way, taking on debt to give a present is SAFE, I think. […] But! This person is taking debt too lightly! […] Looking at this history, I would have helped him with debt before, and might need to again from now on, so as Hakase said, I’ll end up paying for it too.” 01:02:37 Hakase: “Well, they dated for two years so I guess he must be a good guy. Moreover they broke up peacefully.” Leos: “I might want this person as a friend, but as a relative or lover things would be tough.”

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