#Also I know that Viv is a Latina but her being a POC doesn't excuse the bad rep in the show and pilot

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The hazbin hotel fandom is hilarious because the majority of you are ADULTS but when a POC or someone has a valid critique of the POC rep in Hazbin, you will say these things with a straight face.

“I don’t understand why making a black character a cannibal and treating his vodou as a Halloween aesthetic is problematic.”

“Why is portraying a latina’s valid anger as her being bitchy and treating it as a joke is bad?”

“Why is making the Japanese woman character main character trait being men obsessed is a bad stereotype?”

“Why is portraying a grown black woman as a kid is infantilizing her?”

“Why is making the only hispanic man a sexual predator who is loud mouthed and obnoxious terrible?”

This or you guys just pretend you didn’t hear anything. Also don’t use “IT’S HELL!” or “THEY’RE SUPPOSED TO BE BAD PEOPLE!” excuses. There are better ways to write POCs as bad people without resorting to stereotypes and treating them like jokes 

#Hazbin hotel #hazbin critical #hazbin hotel criticism #꧁Rambles꧂ #The amount of white fans I see excusing Al being a black man is a cannibal and his vodou is #Is crazy #Literally I found a person saying that it wasn't offensive #Also I know that Viv is a Latina but her being a POC doesn't excuse the bad rep in the show and pilot #It's actually surprising since you would think she would want to avoid writing stereotypes for her POCs characters but I guess not #hazbin hotel critical

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I am mad

Yup!

Bro shut up, she is white - being Latina is not a race, is an not the same as color skin. And she is a second generation immigrant too. So like... this isn't like a Salvadorian person doing a cartoon, is a daughter of Salvadorians... That grew in the USA. Being Latino doesn't mean you aren't white, you can be any race and Latino. Still wouldn't make up for the lack of representation or the existing racism. In the piece of media that's "diverse".

Salvadorian is not a race, LMAO. That's crazy- you think someone from Argentina who is white, is not white cause of their nationality??? Being Latino and having that culture does not equal a race. It's in itself a racist thing. This Latino = Race is terrible, It also comes from the idea of the "You are not Latino because you are not brown", assuming all people from Latino America are brown by default. You know how much has that happen to me? -AND MANY OTHER PEOPLE.

(I'm Latino btw)

I already have an older post about it, but - you can really see the lack of diversity in the show a lot. (Will talk about it even more other day).

Again the main thing you get is MEN, hypersexual skinny queer men (cis). You won't get to see female characters being well written, thought all the season 1 and all the episodes we got rn of season 2. All characters are skinny and similar body types and repetitive design choices. Funny enough, shows that lack of human characters still have better race-coding that helluva. (and well in hazbin you'll get POC characters that are gray, lack all ethic features... even when they are humanoid. So that is great.)

Bro you could, you imagine a character being black and having different textured hair, and you go to hell... AND EVEN THO YOU ARE HUMANOID- your hair became straight and spiky, and you are now a light gray? If you build a world like that... it just seems like the perfect racist excuse to delete ethic features out a POC character because you don't want to draw them. "Not going to a single hint of their race/culture unless it revolves on their death"... If the character became a fucking coin with dot eyes, maybe (not really, shows with no human/humanoid characters still are capable to race-code their characters). But all of these characters are humanoid- why do none of them have their different characteristics? Also, this is about a real person in the real world choosing how to design a character.

This tweet also implies that a black character when they were a life they had ethic features, but lose them when they go to hell. Which is even more fucking stupid.

If a white person with straight hair goes to hell, and their hair remains straight (assuming it has nothing to do with their death), why wouldn't there be black people with textured hair? This is dumb. This goes back to the fucking thing of "No black people in fantasy media", In the same way, it's stupid for fantasy stories to revolve around white people characteristics in fictional species and people in that world- not including all the rest of diverse human characteristics POC people have it's crazy. The biggest problem here is why the fuck all Viv's sinners characters (main characters designed by her) that are supposed to black (or mixed like Alastor) have 0 characteristic. THEY ARE HUMANOID, THEY AREN'T EVEN ABSTRACT OR AN ANIMAL OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. She didn't want to draw that nor change designs, and wanted to justify the whole concept of Alastor even using Voodou.

HOW ARE ALL THE ANGELS THAT VIV WANTS TO BE BLACK (black voice actors specified, or are race specified) HAVE NOTHING??? LIKE HELLO THE 'I'm such a nice angel character girl' HAS SPIKY STRAIGHT HAIR??? SHE IS AN ANGEL AND BLACK, WHY DIDN'T YOU DID HER HAIR TO BE CLOUDS- It's THE EASIEST SHIT YOU COULD’VE DONE.

BOOM! A FUCKING TROLL FROM A KIDS MOVIE WITH DIFFERENT HAIR. BOOM! THE FUNK TROLLS ARE SO EXPLICITLY BLACK CODED.

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Bro, you know this whole thing of people with textured hair have to forcefully straighten their hair or wear wogs to a job... because people consider it ""Unprofessional"" cause racism? The erasure and discrimination of POC people and their features is a problem. That's why it is important to people represent all of those things:

(Marvel's Moon Girl and Devil Dinosaur)

The only reason of why Alas tor is even mixed is purely cause Viv used the Voodou symbols because she thought they were creepy and edgy. It's sucks that all the angels and sinners that are supposed to be black have nothing.

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Vaggie not just her name but when vivziepop stated she's latina that come from el salvador. I remember a latina told me her accent doesn't sound she's coming from el salvador or

Not only that her original is agatha but change into vaggie. Most of vaggie human design i see she's draw with brown or darker skintone

There's also need to point out that the pairing between white or light skin the one who need protection x while dark skin the one who protect

I love and like charlie but she definitely need to defend vaggie. She's being groped by alastor and receiving microagression from angel dust

There's theory that before she die she work as a prostitute so that's why she in hell as demon moth

I can speak on this issue since I'm Salvadoran myself, I believe there are many issues with Vaggie. As much as I love her because how caring and protective she is and her being the only Salvadorana and lesbian Salvadorana rep I have seen especially in a popular show, I can't ignore the issues with her.

The most obvious thing is her accent. Why doesn't she have an accent? If she lived in El Salvador, all of her life until death why doesn't she want an accent? Another thing is her VA isn't Salvadorana but Columbian, to me this comes across as Viv treating latino identities as interchangeable when they're not. Sure there similarities between our cultures but there are also big differences too, a Columbian VA won't know our exact mannerism and dialect as a Salvadoran one.

Her name is a big problem too when I ask my queer sibling how she felt about a Salvadorana lesbian named Vaggie, she said she hated it. I've seen people used the excuse of her full name being Vagatha but tha isn't a syllable in Spanish. Viv being an bi woman who just changed Vaggie's name because she thought it was funny, doesn't sit right with me because she isn't a lesbian and naming a lesbian, Vaggie won't affect her personally.

How Vaggie was treated in the pilot wasn't right too. She was treated as the butt of the joke despite being the one in the right and being undeserving of it. Vaggie being a POC woman constantly getting harassed, insulted, and receiving microagression from her male peers is uncomfortable to see and I didn't see Charlie, a white woman, getting the same amount of harassment and insults as her.

Viv has had a problem of making POC character more protective and violence prone than their white counterparts. First, it was Vaggie trying to protect Charlie (Don't forget Charlie is the princess of Hell so she can take of herself just fine) and in returned Charlie never defended Vaggie from her male peers. Second, Mille always has to protect Moxxie but she keeps getting herself hurt because of him. (If you saw the Mille EP leak, it makes this context worse) Third, Valentino who is Hispanic is confirmed to be a rapist and an abusive boss unlike Vox (Who I'm assuming is white)

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