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Variety- “Jared Padalecki on the Defining Deaths of ‘Supernatural’ and ‘Walker’“
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“It was a success story — it was Dean’s success story,” Padalecki reflects on the “Supernatural” series finale. “This guy gave his life for years and years and years and ultimately gave his life to have his No. 1 on the planet live as normal a life as possible.”
Shot amid the COVID-19 pandemic, the “Supernatural” season finale was not a parade of beloved guest stars getting one last good-bye, but instead focused on the Winchester brothers who started it all (with one very special appearance by Jim Beaver). Padalecki confirms for Variety that there was no version he had read that revealed who Sam’s wife was in those flashes through his later years. In the episode, she is seen out of focus, from a long distance.
“I think it was very, very purposely ambiguous and strangely I agreed with that,” he says. “I feel like a lot of what Sam did after Dean died was almost in honor of what Dean would have wanted, and Dean would not have wanted his little brother to marry Eileen, Ruby, someone in the life.”
Padalecki and Ackles shot Dean’s death scene and Sam’s goodbye to him on Sept. 4, 2020. “That day sucked,” Padalecki says. “It was all day, just watching Dean die. Going through that was really awful.” Less than a week later duo was shot reuniting in heaven, on what was their final day — and the final shot — for the series overall. Five weeks after that, Padalecki truly set Sam aside to step into his new role as Cordell Walker, the titular Texas Ranger who is mourning the death of his wife (played by his real-life wife Genevieve Padalecki) on the reimagining of “Walker, Texas Ranger” that is simply titled “Walker.”
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Because Walker is in such deep grief when the audience meets him, Padalecki says that his challenge in the first season is to just keep it all together and try to balance being a good law enforcement official with being a good father.
“If he was on a boat that went down, he’s still trying to figure out how to stay above water; he’s not even looking for the horizon yet. It’s, ‘How do I fucking stay alive? My wife is gone, she did everything. I’m passionate about my job and making the world safer, but I can’t do that and be a dad. I may get in trouble with my job if I fail but I may fail my kids.’ He’s just trying to tread water,” Padalecki says.
Therefore, “it’s not about romantically moving on, but it’s also not really about trying to figure out how to move on” at all, he continues.
Regardless of how long a run “Walker” ends up getting to have, Padalecki says the central component of the show will always be Walker “not as a Texas Ranger who happens to have a family man, but a family man who happens to be a Texas Ranger.”
But, to be clear, even after jumping from one 15-year run on a broadcast drama straight into another broadcast drama, Padalecki says he hopes “‘Walker’ goes longer than ‘Supernatural.'”
“I get to wake up in my house with my wife and kids everyday and go to bed in the same house; I have a vote on where the story heads, so that makes me feel a little bit safer; the crew’s amazing; I love this city [Austin, Texas] and I have for years; I love the story we’re telling,” he explains.
During those 15 years on “Supernatural,” its fandom, he says, helped him realize “we can make a connection with other human beings in the real world by telling a story on television about random strange things as long as the underlying heart is there.” And that is what he hopes to continue for as long as he can.
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#2021-Jan#2021:January15#*CCTOF#*tof#*romance#*codependency#*walker#Jared Padalecki#author: Danielle Turchiano#Variety
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#CCTOF Disaster Relief Ministry caught in action by Dallas Morning News.
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🔷Законопроект, разрешающий гражданину брать чужое гражданское оружие во временное пользование, скорее всего, будет одобрен правительственной комиссией по законопроектной деятельности.⠀ ⠀ 🔷Одним из важнейших вопросов при рассмотрении стало предложение предоставить право временно передавать охотничье оружие для охоты тем гражданам, которые достигли 16 лет. Но оно не было одобрено. ⠀ ⠀ 🔷Пока в нашей стране владеть гладкоствольным охотничьим оружием можно с 18 лет. А так называемым травматическим оружием - с 21 года.⠀ ⠀ 🔷Тем временем в Якутии, как и во многих других регионах, охота является неотъемлемой частью традиционной культуры, издревле на охоту ходили с самых ранних лет. Так что для нашей республики принятие подобного законопроекта могло бы помочь в решении не столько промысловых задач, а сколько в сохранении традиций народа.⠀ ⠀ 🔷За комментарием мы обратились к члену охотничьего клуба «Кыымаан» Петру Цыпандину:⠀ -Я считаю, что закон, разрешающий ношение и использование охотничьего оружия с 16 лет в нашем регионе, просто необходим. В наших традициях ходить на охоту с самого детства. У меня у самого двое сыновей. Сейчас им 16 и 18 лет. Но они ходят со мной на охоту, как только пошли в школу. Всегда стараюсь брать ребят на утку, на рыбалку и так далее. Для каждого мальчика, который вырос в Якутии, особенно если он родился на селе, это в порядке вещей. Мой отец рассказывал, что они с братьями ходили на охоту, когда рост у них был чуть больше длины ружей. Я сам с 12-13, как и все подростки в деревне, садился на мотоцикл и ехал с друзьями на утку.⠀ ⠀ Подробнее читайте на сайте https://www.sakhaparliament.ru/ru/zakon-i-jizn/zakonotvorchestvo/1887-ruzhya-razreshat-arendovat-no-tolko-ne-yunym-okhotnikam⠀ ⠀ #газетаилтумэн #якутия #газета #сахапарламентру⠀ (at Yakutsk, Sakha Republik, Russia) https://www.instagram.com/p/CCtOF-UI05G/?igshid=13i52iy2x8xud
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2020: Twitter- Adam Williams
TheAdamWilliams: “Never even heard of it 🤔 ‘jolivira_: TheAdamWilliams do you ship johnlock’”- Dec 12, 2020
jolivira_: “watch this video and then please let me know your thoughts on the subject matter ‘https://youtu.be/fsKWdvsxvN4‘“- 12:08 PM Dec 12, 2020
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TheAdamWilliams: “Watched it.. and I saw the series. Didn't clock it myself but they're certainly quirky as a team. Or whatever they are. I usually don't ship. I came across Destiel by chance and I warmed up to it after seeing the dissertations and rewatching key episodes. It's a thing. ‘ jolivira_: watch this video and then please let me know your thoughts on the subject matter https://youtu.be/fsKWdvsxvN4′”- 1:01 PM Dec 12, 2020
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jolivira_: “So are you officially confirming that you ship destiel and not johnlock? ‘TheAdamWilliams: Watched it.. and I saw the series. Didn't clock it myself but they're certainly quirky as a team. Or whatever they are. I usually don't ship. I came across Destiel by chance and I warmed up to it after seeing the dissertations and rewatching key episodes. It's a thing.’ “- 1:07 PM Dec 12, 2020
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TheAdamWilliams: I officially confirmed that I ship Destiel some 5-6yrs ago. 🤷♂️ ‘ jolivira_: So are you officially confirming that you ship destiel and not johnlock?’”- 1:24 PM Dec 12, 2020
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2020: Twitter - Adam Williams part 1
Context: On Dec 11, 2020 SPN’s then visual effects I/O coordinator, Adam Williams, made a tweet about the leaked 15x18 script. Which then sparked a long chain of quote tweets between Adam and various fans that lasted until the next day.
TheAdamWilliams: “SPN hired fans, someone stole a script, blah blah shocker.
Looks like a draft that was in Prod Office by the watermark. People's names are on their own copies
Even after Prod left the studio a fan with the tattoo was there for tear down. Amazed more shit wasn't leaked or stolen” - 1:39 PM Dec 11, 2020
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alwaysbeenariel: “Regardless of whats true or not, both version confirm d*stiel was never going to go canon. ♥️ ‘TheAdamWilliams: SPN hired fans, someone stole a script, blah blah shocker. Looks like a draft that was in Prod Office by the watermark. People's names are on their own copies Even after Prod left the studio a fan with the tattoo was there for tear down. Amazed more shit wasn't leaked or stolen’”- 2:21 PM Dec 11, 2020
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TheAdamWilliams: “IMO Destiel is canon, but I don't think Dean is bisexual. He loves Cas but he isn't a d-man. Cas doesn't have a gender, really, but his suit has a dangler and Dean likes his tacos. ‘alwaysbeenariel: Regardless of whats true or not, both version confirm d*stiel was never going to go canon. ♥️’”- 2:29PM Dec 11, 2020
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alwaysbeenarielIf: “Cas is gender-less and Dean is straight. I don't see how destiel is canon? It's more of a headcanon ship. But not an actual confirmed relationship. Dean is confirmed straight. Cas's confession might be canon but not Destiel. Dean likes tacos 💯 ‘TheAdamWilliams: IMO Destiel is canon, but I don't think Dean is bisexual. He loves Cas but he isn't a d-man. Cas doesn't have a gender, really, but his suit has a dangler and Dean likes his tacos.’”- 2:33PM Dec 11, 2020
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TheAdamWilliams: “It's more complicated than that. I'm 💯 straight but I've had two "boyfriends". We loved each other, we just didn't want each other's danglers. It wasn't about sex it was about who we were. When Dean clocks Cas after Cas gets cleaned up.. cmon. You can see it with your own eyes. ‘alwaysbeenariel: If Cas is gender-less and Dean is straight. I don't see how destiel is canon? It's more of a headcanon ship. But not an actual confirmed relationship. Dean is confirmed straight. Cas's confession might be canon but not Destiel. Dean likes tacos💯’” - 2:38PM Dec 11, 2020
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HUNTERSDAYA_: ““i had a boyfriend. no homo tho.” ‘TheAdamWilliams: It's more complicated than that. I'm straight but I've had two "boyfriends". We loved each other, we just didn't want each other's danglers. It wasn't about sex it was about who we were. When Dean clocks Cas after Cas gets cleaned up.. cmon. You can see it with your own eyes.‘”- 3:00PM Dec 11, 2020
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TheAdamWilliams: “Maybe one day you will be fortunate enough to understand. Probably not, but maybe. ‘ HUNTERSDAYA_: “i had a boyfriend. no homo tho.”’”- 3:05 Dec 11, 2020
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The response to Adam below was deleted and is from a now deactivated account but thanks to the Wayback Machine we are still able to see the old response.
deadfloweranemo: “Adam, what you mean by all your tweets is- BROMANCE. we call that bromance honey. The thing between Cas and Dean is BROmance. Not romantic but platonic. These guys love each other, sex is not included.” - 12:08 Dec 11, 2020
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TheAdamWilliams: “I disagree that Destiel is just Bromance or that a lack of sex equates to simply Bromance. But please, ladies, tell me more about how much you understand male/male relationships. ‘https://t.co/orJ0bkCOBj This Tweet is unavailable.‘”- 3:11pm Dec 11, 2020
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TheAdamWilliams: “I disagree that Destiel is just Bromance or that a lack of sex equates to simply Bromance. But please, ladies, tell me more about how much you understand male/male relationships. ‘deadfloweranemo: Adam, what you mean by all your tweets is- BROMANCE. we call that bromance honey. The thing between Cas and Dean is BROmance. Not romantic but platonic. These guys love each other, sex is not included.’”- 12:11 Dec 11, 2020
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Variety “How ‘Supernatural’ Outlived The WB and Learned the Secret to Immortality”
(...)Stars Jared Padalecki and Jensen Ackles have also remained with the series throughout its run, long after most leading men would’ve thrown in the towel (...)
“As long as ratings stay stable, and they want to do the show, and I’m still in the chair, I’m going to be their biggest supporter to continue,” CW president Mark Pedowitz says. “I think ‘Supernatural’ is going to be around in some form long after I move off this chair, and the best thing I can do for the guys, and for the studio, and for the showrunners is basically make sure we don’t mess them up.”
Much like its protagonists — monster-hunting brothers Sam (Padalecki) and Dean (Ackles), who have quite literally been to heaven, hell and everywhere in between over the course of the show’s run — “Supernatural” has time and again proven its resilience in the face of seemingly insurmountable odds, becoming an anchor of The CW’s lineup. (...)
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“In my wildest dreams, I was hoping we would get to a fourth season. Sure enough, it was probably right around the fourth season that I think we finally started to relax and realize that we had a certain amount of stability,” Kripke says. “And that was the introduction of Misha Collins [as the angel Castiel], and that was the time that I probably started sleeping at night. But I’ll tell you one thing, the fact that we always felt we were on the edge and one breath from extinction was really good for the show creatively in those early years. We took risks that we probably wouldn’t have taken had we felt more stable. We used to say in the writers’ room all the time, ‘Look, we’re getting canceled next year, so smoke them if you got them.’ We really encouraged everyone to take big swings because we really, sincerely believed that we were about to be canceled, and so why not spend all the story you could spend? And I think that led to a lot of exciting moments.”
(...)Through it all, the show has maintained a steady audience — now standing as the fourth highest-rated show on the network behind superhero series “The Flash,” “Arrow” and “DC’s Legends of Tomorrow.”
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Ostroff left The CW in 2011, and Pedowitz says he was already a fan of “Supernatural” when he assumed control of the network.
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The show had been bounced around The CW’s schedule for much of its run, and had been relegated to Friday nights when Pedowitz joined the network.
“It’s generally where shows go to die, and we stayed there and not only did we not die, we actually survived and somewhat thrived,” Ackles notes. “And then I think when Mark came in and took over for Dawn, he looked at the numbers and looked at what was working and said, ‘Why is this show on Friday nights? Not only is it working there, let’s give it some prime real estate and see how much better it can be.'”
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It was the emergence of “Arrow,” The CW’s first foray into a grittier brand of superhero series, that gave “Supernatural” a new lease on life.
“We didn’t have anything compatible for ‘Arrow,’ and we thought there was still life in the show, and we thought what better way to do it than by giving it the time period after ‘Arrow’?” Pedowitz says. “And as luck would sometimes have it, a confluence of events happened. The first Netflix deal was done, so all the past seasons went up, and all of a sudden, you saw an influx of viewers that had not seen the show before.”
In fact, all of The CW’s most successful series have enjoyed scheduling stints with the show, Pedowitz points out: “‘Supernatural’ was paired with ‘Vampire Diaries’ for its first season; ‘Supernatural’ was paired with ‘Arrow’ for its first season. ‘Supernatural’ was paired with ‘The Flash’ for its first season. ‘Supernatural’ is now back on Thursday at nine, and we believe it’ll be a great boost to ‘Legends of Tomorrow.’ So ‘Supernatural,’ in a weird way, even though it’s the lead-out, has had a direct impact on some of our bigger hits.”
The show is now one of the most popular on social media, regularly selling out conventions around the world. “I would much rather have our devoted fan base than 20 million people just casually watching,” Padalecki says. “The word of mouth has been a huge part of ‘Supernatural.’ I feel like sometimes people [think], ‘hey, that show has 20 million people, we don’t need to talk about it,’ but when there’s something that you feel like, ‘hey, this has two million people, I want my friends to know about it, I’m not going to assume that they know about it.'”
After so many seasons of feeling “on the verge of unemployment all the time,” Ackles says Pedowitz and Roth have given him a true sense of security.
“It’s an incredible support group that we have, not only the network but with the studio as well. I wish I could work with Mark and Peter for the rest of my life — I’d be happy. They’re just quality, smart people and they’re champions for our show and have been for many years now, and it is a huge vote of confidence to have your bosses in your corner,” Ackles says. “Peter’s been saying we’re halfway there since episode 100 and then we get to 200 and he’s like ‘oh, still halfway there,’ so he’s obviously stoked that the show’s still going on. The fact that Mark says that we’ll keep going as long as we’re happy… I don’t even know how to qualify that. It’s awesome, especially when it has to do with a program that I’m so proud of and a story that I still enjoy telling and a character that I still love playing.”
Both Ackles and Padalecki insist they’re not putting an expiration date on the series. “Jared and I talked and we’re going to just keep going,” Ackles says. “He and I, we talk about getting to episode 300 and that’s just another milestone… and then when we get there, we’ll keep going and see what the next milestone is. One of the many reasons we’ve managed to get to where we are is, I don’t think we really set parameters or limits or any obstacles. It’s just like, ‘Let’s keep our heads down and let’s just do the best work that we can and hopefully, people will continue to watch and we can keep telling these stories.”
Says Kripke, “I’m proud that it’s the last surviving WB show, but I’m also really proud that it’s just a sign of how durable ‘Supernatural’ has turned out to be. And obviously, the show itself is the thing I’m most proud of.”
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#2016-Sep#2016:September21#c/m saved the show#*TOF#*CCTOF#Mark Pedowitz#Eric Kripke#Jensen Ackles#Jared Padalecki#author: Laura Prudom#Variety
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TV Guide “Up Close with Supernatural’s Jensen Ackles: Part 1”
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TV Guide: After all your sci-fi roles, are you used to the passionate and obsessed cult fan?
Ackles: To a degree. They’re very avid, those fans. They’re very passionate about the show and those characters. I like that they’re very protective of those characters. I get protective of the characters as well. If I read something on the pages that I don’t agree with, I’ll call [series creator] Eric [Kripke] and say, “Eric, what are you doing here, buddy?” We’re lucky enough to be able to do that.
TV Guide: There are Samoholics and Deaniacs out there. You each have your own coterie of fans, don’t you?
Ackles: What’s funny is the network always talks about how we skew to a younger audience, but at the events we go to, the ones who show up at the set are usually women ages 30 to 50. It’s actually pretty cool.
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Green Pages “Mint Condition” Season 14 Episode 4
Written by: Davy Perez
Directed by: Amyn Kaderali
Context: Later in November of 2018 a rumor was made that Perez was shading wincest shippers when Dean said, “That’s weird,” in response to the Bert and Ernie’s duo costume idea Dean had just offered seconds ago. But here in the script’s green pages it seems to imply that it was Jared and Jensen who made the changes that ended up on air, not Perez.
"Mint Condition" Green Pages 8/14/18 41.
35 CONTINUED: (4) 35
DEAN
That's why you hate Halloween?
Sam nods-- yeah-- Dean takes a beat, then...
DEAN
I get it.
Sam smiles-- a nice brotherly moment.
DEAN
But you gotta move on man, so next year, we do it right. I'm thinking, matching costumes-- Batman and Robin.
SAM
No.
DEAN
Rocky and Bullwinkle?
SAM
No.
A36 EXT. ROAD - NIGHT A36
As the Impala continues down the road--
DEAN (O.S.)
Sonny and Cher?
And any more the guys want to throw out. As they drive away, We FADE TO--
36 INT. WESTIN HILLS HOSPITAL - MORGUE - NIGHT 36
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#2018-Aug#2018:August18#*codependency#*CCTOF#*wincest#*spn 14x04#director: Amyn Kaderali#writer: Davy Perez#*scripts
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Cast and Crew Thoughts on Fandom/Shipping
Cons
• 2007: Asylum 1- Jensen
• 2008-Eyecon- April - Jared
• 2009: Asylum 3 Saturday- Misha
• 2009: Asylum 3 Sunday - Misha
• 2009: Vancon - Misha
• 2009: Chicon - Misha
• 2010: Asylum Europe - Misha
• 2011: LAcon - Misha
• 2011-Asylum 7 - Misha
• 2012: ECEC- Gay Calgary - Misha
• 2013: ECCC - Misha
• 2013: NJcon - Misha
• 2015: Jibcon Saturday - Jensen solo
• 2015: Jibcon Saturday - Misha & Singer
• 2016: Jibcon Sunday - Misha & Jensen
• 2016: Seacon Saturday - Mark Sheppard
• 2016: DCcon- Misha
• 2016: Jibcon Friday - Misha
• 2016: Jibcon Sunday - Misha & Jensen
• 2016: SDCC - Singer
• 2017: SeaCon - J2
• 2017: Phxcon - Rachel Miner
• 2018: Chicon - Alex
• 2019: JIBcon 10 Sunday - Jensen
• 2019: SDCC - J2MA, Dabb, Singer, Eugeine, Buckner
• 2020: PaleyFest NY SPN - J2MA, Dabb, Singer
Interviews/Articles
• 2007: TV guide - Kripke
• 2007: TV Guide - Jensen
• 2008: Morgan’s Maniacs - Humphris
• 2009: Screener- Misha
• 2010: WarnerBros- J2
• 2010: TVGuide- Jared, Jim Beaver, Sgriccia
• 2011: The Backlot - Misha
• 2011: Fandom At The Crossroads - J2M
• 2013: Supernatural Turkey - Michaels
• 2013: The Backlot - Misha
• 2013: TV Guide Canada - Misha
• 2014: Fangasm - Misha
• 2014: The New York Times - Misha, Jensen
• 2014: Variety - Carver
• 2014: E! News - Jensen, Robbie, Carver
• 2015: ET Online - Misha
• 2016: Variety - Jared
• 2017: Hypable - Perez
• 2019: Nerds and Beyond - Robbie
• 2019: The OCR - Jensen
• 2019: SYFY WIRE - JMA, Singer, Dabb
• 2019: Hollywood News Source - Buckner
• 2019: Fangirlish -July 27- Jensen
• 2019: Fangasm -Aug 2- Kripke
• 2020: Los Angeles Times - J2
• 2020: EW - Richard
• 2021: Variety - Jan 15 - Jared
Social Media
• 2012: Twitter - Sep (Misha)
• 2013: Twitter - Sep 5-6 (Williams)
• 2013: Twitter - Feb (Adam Glass)
• 2013: Twitter - Sep (Adam Glass)
• 2013: Twitter - Sep (Robbie Thompson)
• 2013: Twitter - Oct (Robbie, Kennedy)
• 2013: Twitter - Nov 5 (Robbie Thompson)
• 2013: Twitter - Nov 12 (Robbie Thompson)
• 2014: Twitter - Feb (Robbie Thompson)
• 2014: Twitter - May (Robbie Thompson)
• 2014: Twitter- May (Adam Glass)
• 2014: Twitter - Nov (Robbie and Jensen)
• 2015: Twitter - Jun (Smith)
• 2016: Twitter - Jun (Fitzmartin)
• 2016: Twitter - Jul (Lee Rumohr)
• 2016: Twitter - Nov (Armstrong)
• 2017: Twitter - Mar (Williams)
• 2018: Twitter - Aug (Williams)
• 2018: Twitter - Nov (Jason Fischer)
• 2019: Twitter - Feb (Davy Perez)
• 2020: Twitter - Aug - Jared
• 2020: Twitter - Sep (Davy, Fitzmartin, Adams)
• 2020: Twitter - Dec 11-12 (Williams)
• 2020: Twitter - Dec 12 (Williams)
• 2021: Twitter - Mar (Williams)
• 2021: Twitter - Mar (Misha Collins)
Misc.
• 2013: Youtube/Telly - Misha
• 2014: A Very Special Supernatural Special - Kripke, Carver, Singer, J2M2
• 2014: The Essential Supernatural [Revised and Updated Edition]: On the Road with Sam and Dean Winchester - J2
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The Essential Supernatural [Revised and Updated Edition]: On the Road with Sam and Dean Winchester
URBAN NIGHTMARES: CREATING SUPERNATURAL
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“I had a really good relationship with Warner Bros., "Kripke says. "They really appreciated how hard I worked on Tarzan, and I loved working with them. They said, 'What are you passionate about?' So I pitched them my [TV series] idea." Only, the pitch wasn't Supernatural as we now know it; it focused on a reporter who investigated urban legends. Warner Bros. still didn't bite, but they asked him if he had anything else. Fortunately, Kripke had an alternate approach prepared.
He pitched them the same idea, this time saying the TV show would revolve around two brothers cruising the country on a road trip. And this time Warner Bros. bit.(...)
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Kripke used the tagline "Star Wars and Truck Stop America" to shorthand the show. "Who wouldn't want to watch Han Solo and Luke Skywalker with chain saws in the trunk?" he asks rhetorically. The idea of having heroes who traveled Route 66 and “Truck Stop America" appealed to Kripke's personal sensibilities. "Small towns, blue-collar lifestyles, greasy diners, dive bars, beer, and cheeseburgers are the things I understand," he says, referring to his roots in Toledo, Ohio. But what's a road trip without great tunes? To Kripke, that means classic rock blaring as loud as possible while speeding down two-lane roads that stretch into infinity. "There's something so mythic, so American, about that, and that's the energy I wanted the show to have." He was adamant that the show should have an "ass-kicking soundtrack."
Yet none of that would matter if they didn't find actors with the charisma of Harrison Ford and Mark Hamill. Especially since Supernatural only has two leads. Jensen Ackles read for the role of Sam Winchester first, but it quickly became clear that he suited the devil-may-care attitude of Dean perfectly. "Jensen's as charismatic in real life) as he is on-screen," enthuses Kripke. Then in came Jared Padalecki, and he was Sam Winchester. "Jared's just so likeable, Kripke explains. As soon as they got the two Texan actors together, the camaraderie and chemistry was unmistakable. Ackles and Padalecki were everyone's first choice. "They're truly good, smart, down-to-earth guys,” says Kripke, “and the bond that they have on camera is the bond they have off camera.”
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LEADING THE WAY: JARED PADALECKI
“Like Sam, I have an older brother," notes Jared Padalecki. “And Jensen has a brother, too, so we were both comfortable with that brotherly dynamic from the start. We're both Texans, as well. Jensen's laid back; he's a pretty relaxed guy. He and I just hit it off pretty quickly, really.” It's a good thing, too, since as the only two leads on Supernatural, they were destined to work together pretty much all the time.
Padalecki explains, “There were no other series regulars, which I've never heard of. Usually he and I —or if not both of us, then one of us— are working all day every day, which is really intense." That actually strengthened the actors' bond because, as Padalecki relates, “We knew we were both in this together.”
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The show's irreverent humor has helped ensure its continued success, and Padalecki is now going into his eighth season as Sam Winchester. “The show has changed so much," he reflects. “Jensen and I have grown up! It's been a growing process for everybody. The writers have paid attention to our portrayal of the characters over the years and have written to how we play them. Working with everyone on the show, all the writers, producers, and crew, has been a nice collaborative effort. It’s like we all got on this winding road together and we just keep following it."
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AN ANGEL NAMED CASTIEL
Angel. Soldier of God. Defender of humans. Castiel is all these things and more, and from his very first appearance, he has established himself as one of the most powerful and intriguing figures to enter the Winchesters' lives. His powers are vast, proven from the beginning when he pulled Dean out of the very depths of Hell to once again walk the Earth and fulfill his mission to stop the impending Apocalypse. He can also travel to the past, become invisible to humans, incinerate monsters, and smite demons with a simple touch. In the Winchesters’ fight against evil, Castiel is an invaluable ally.
But he is not without his flaws. His bond with Dean and his affection for humans makes him weak in the eyes of other angels, and eventually his devastation at being unable to find the missing God leads him to form an unholy alliance with the Crossroads Demon, Crowley. While these all have consequences that affect both him and those around him, Castiel touchingly proves himself a little bit human along the way. Until he declares himself the new God, however, and destroys anyone—and anything—that stands in his way.
His newfound status, however, comes at a price: in addition to absorbing all the souls from Purgatory to form a new angelic army loyal only to him, Castiel absorbs the ancient and incredibly
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A GUIDE TO ANGELS
"The angel mythology really expanded and improved on the show, but we were not sure when we introduced them whether the angel storyline was going to work," admits creator Eric Kripke. "If we'd cast the wrong person in the Castiel role, it might not have worked. We might have tried it and abandoned it! I really give Misha Collins the lion's share of the credit for saving the angel mythology."
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The Word On Season 10
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Supernatural's landmark tenth season parallels the launch of this revised edition. After nine seasons of playing Sam and Dean Winchester, Jared Padalecki and Jensen Ackles still remain true to their characters and make the show feel as fresh and exciting as when they first hit the road to begin their long battle against evil. For Jensen Ackles, the reason Supernatural remains at the top of its game is relatively straightforward: "It's a show about monsters, about ghosts, about archetypical characters and crazy storylines, but what it boils down to is a show about brothers and their struggles together and apart. People may not identify with our stories, but they can with that relationship."
That relationship is one that has kept viewers glued to their screens for nine seasons and will keep them coming back for more with season 10. Supernatural's avid and loyal fans are part of the reason the show has been so successful, and everyone behind and in front of the cameras is keenly aware and appreciative of this fact. As Jared Padalecki says, “Our show is about a kind of large dysfunctional family. And that extends to our fans. We are not kidding when we tell them, 'Y'all are a part of our show. We've made episodes about you.’" It's that love and appreciation that makes the show so unique and special, and it's why viewers will watch for as long as new episodes are created. Each new season adds greater depth and layers to the overall story of Sam and Dean Winchester, and it looks as though viewers will get to enjoy Supernatural for many more years to come. But when it does come time for an end, how do its two stars feel about their characters' fates?
"They're not going to walk away saying, 'Cool, we got all the monsters—we're going to Hawaii.' The only way I'd be happy for the show to end is Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid-style," says Padalecki. Ackles adds his own hopes for how the show should end: "They go out in a blaze of glory! I want the heartbreaker ending. The great thing about these characters is that they'll fight to the end.”
Here's hoping that end is still a long way off.
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Variety “‘Supernatural’ at 200: The Road So Far, An Oral History”
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Eric Kripke (Creator): For me, the core notion behind “Supernatural” was to make a series about urban legends. I think they’re this incredibly rich mythology about the United States, and no one had really tapped into that, so when I started as a writer, one of the first ideas I ever pitched was an urban legend show.
A couple years later I tried to pitch, basically, a “Scooby Doo” rip off of a bunch of kids travelling in a van dealing with these urban legends. It was an idea that I never let go of and kept throwing there every couple years. Finally I had a deal with Warner Bros. and that incarnation was a reporter. Frankly, it was a rip off of “Nightstalker,” but I really fleshed it out and it had mythology.
I took it to Susan Rovner and Len Goldstein at the studio and they said, “We love the idea of doing a horror show,” which no one was really doing on TV at that time, “but we’re not into the reporter, that feels really tired. So no thanks and let’s get another angle.”
So in this moment, when they were basically passing on my idea, as you often do in these kinds of rooms, you start tap dancing. And I said, “forget the reporter, we should do this show as ‘Route 66,’ two cool guys in a classic car cruising the country, chasing down these urban legends,” and literally right on the spot I said “and they’re brothers,” because it popped in my head. “And they’re dealing with their family stuff and they’re fighting evil.” You just start making it up as you go. They were like, “Brothers, wow, that’s a relationship we haven’t seen on TV before.” And from there, “Supernatural” was born… out of a piece of improvisation.
Peter Roth (President, Warner Bros. Television): Eric [had] been with us since about 2002. Sometime in 2004, he came to us with this idea… this extraordinary road show about these two brothers, in which they would be living all of the great urban and rural myths that [we’re all] exposed to as kids. It was a very commercial idea, emotionally driven, which was what I was most concerned about: who are the characters? Why do I relate to them? Why are they worth my while to watch? And once we cast Jensen Ackles and Jared Padalecki, along with Eric’s great idea, along with the script, along with David Nutter, our director on the pilot, the combination of those factors is what made me so excited and I frankly knew, from the moment I saw this pilot, that it was a winner. There wasn’t a person who I work with who didn’t feel the same way. It was a real strong story of young adult siblings that resonated perfectly with The WB audience.
Kripke: When we were casting, you see a lot of people. We hadn’t found our Sam and Dean. David Nutter suggested Jensen because we knew him from “Smallville.” We met with him to play Sam, and we fell in love with [him]. And then Jared came in, and he was a really great Sam too. Looking back, we were such idiots to not see it… We had two great Sams and no Dean and you think it would be obvious to put one into the other role, but it was not obvious. So we [went] to Peter Roth and we said, “We’re not sure what to do,” and Peter was like, “why don’t you make Jensen Dean?” We all looked at each other like, “we’re idiots, of course.” It’s so difficult to find one actor who is charismatic enough to be a breakout character and to support a show. So to find two of them, where there’s only two leads… I didn’t realize what a miracle it was at the time. It’s a miracle.
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Jensen Ackles (Dean Winchester): It was just immediate chemistry. There was an ease to it. There was a familiarity to it. Once we got into it with each other, it just fell in place and it came… not easy, but definitely a little easier than my experiences in the past. I think the importance of that bond and that relationship was verbalized by Kripke when he sat us down and said, “this begins and ends with you,” and not only how we relate to each other on screen, but also off screen. There was an importance stamped into [that bond] very early on.
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Padalecki: (...) It was definitely a huge learning process, not only for myself, learning the character of Sam Winchester, but I think we didn’t have a grasp on what we were doing. The original tag line was monster of the week, like “X-files” meets “The Twilight Zone.” And we had these very famous urban legends about Bloody Mary or the Hookman, but ultimately you’re going to run out of those.
Singer: Eric talked about the five-season plan… I don’t know if he secretly had that in mind and was just not sharing it, but initially Eric wanted campfire stories. And the mythology really started to evolve in the first year. We didn’t exactly know where we wanted to go, and I don’t even think Eric knew exactly where he wanted to go
Kripke: If I’ve said in the past that I had this five year plan from the beginning, I was lying. I always knew what that particular season was going to be; “by midseason I want to be here, by the end of the season I want to be there.” And then I always had a rough sketch what the season after that would be. I will say I knew that the show was going to come down to evil Sam versus good Dean and the fate of the world was going to hang in the balance — that was baked into the pilot. I wanted to build it to something that felt conclusive because I didn’t want these mysteries and mythologies to stretch on forever.
Sera Gamble (writer, executive producer): We were realizing the thing that we most enjoyed when we were watching cuts of the show was the chemistry between the brothers, and that the mythology we were constructing for the season was really a family story about two young men and their father, and this family legacy that they’re trying to deal with. That was the heart of the show, and if we paid attention to how each monster story resonated with the relationship between the brothers, then the show was always really interesting.
Padalecki: It was right around the episode “Faith” where the writers realized this show isn’t just about what kind of monsters we can kill but what the brothers can go through together. And I think luckily we stuck with that theme on through the end [of season one], where we reintroduced our father into the storyline. And we get some sense of what the father is willing to do for the sons and what the sons are willing to do for each other. And so it became this story about sacrifice and loyalty and family and friendship [within] this medium of the supernatural and ghosts and ghouls.
Gamble: It’s not like we sat down to write “Faith” and we said, “we’re going to write the game changer.” We just wanted to find a really human, emotional way into a story about faith healing. We had these different elements of the reapers that we wanted to bring into the show and the phenomena of faith healers in the history of America, and it ended up being a story that was really personal and kind of philosophical… From that point forward, everyone was hungry to do more stories that had an aspect of the personal and the metaphysical.
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Singer: Eric’s phrase was “smoke them if you got them,” where we would just try to tell the best stories we could and be as provocative as we could. We felt that this had a long-term mythology, so ending with kind of a very dramatic cliffhanger just seemed the right thing for us and that all seemed to work out for us.
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Padalecki: Season two is the season where we realize dying doesn’t mean you’re dead, beginning with Dean who died — so to speak — in the first episode, and culminating with Sam who died in the last episode. Unlike season one where we were figuring out what this show was about, who these characters were, season two we hit the ground running.
Ackles: The interesting thing that Kripke did with the first several seasons is he flipped character motivations from season to season. With the first season you had Dean as the motivating factor: he was really pushed by his father, dragging Sam along against his will. Then as Dad dies, the whole thing is flipped upside down. Now Dean is like, “I don’t want to do this anymore.” Dad was his motivating factor in life and [after] he lost him, it was a devastating blow and Dean just wanted to hang it up. And Sam was the one who was like, “no, we’re going to go find answers to this. I have to figure out how I play into this,” and Dean went along with him because he couldn’t let his little brother go it alone.
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Gamble: It was really fun to kill Sam. You don’t very often get to kill the lead character. One of the really fun things about “Supernatural” is that you get to kill whoever you want, and it’s part of the evil genius of Eric Kripke. From pretty early on, he understood the power of doing the unexpected thing to the character the audience thinks is safe. He fought hard, and he was always someone who, in the room, would push us to not get precious with a character, to not try to save someone because we think they’re amazing. If we love them, we’ll bring them back in some other form. Because we had a plan to bring Sam back, we got to write the super-emotional scene with his brother that we knew that Jensen would knock out of the park, and both of them knocked it out of the park.
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Singer: I think Bela didn’t quite turn out as good of a story driver as we might have wanted, although we loved Lauren — we thought she was terrific in the part. But we started pinning ourselves a little bit in the corner [with her as] Dean’s nemesis, like, “how often can she best Dean without assassinating our lead character?” If she would’ve been on three times a year, I think that character could’ve really served a purpose going forward. Ruby served a better purpose and that pushed the mythology into a different area. But we were a little flummoxed because you say, “what do we do? We can’t have two women just sitting in the back of the car with these guys.”
Gamble: I think Ruby in the long term was a more successful character than Bela, but we all really enjoyed creating Bela in the room, especially Ben Edlund, who wrote some really cool stuff for her. Not every peg will fit in every hole in the show. You don’t get Castiel one hundred percent of the time. If you follow any show for long enough, you’ll notice some places where they corrected the course, and we learned a lot from writing those two characters. I really like a lot of the stuff that we did with Ruby. It’s really cool to have a character that’s played by more than one actor, and it’s such an interesting characterization of a demon.
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Kripke: I think the truncated season actually ended up helping the mythology. We were a little aimless as we had just lost the Yellow-Eyed Demon, the great big bad, and we hadn’t introduced a new big bad yet. Because we had less episodes, we had to focus quickly on what was really important: Dean’s deal with the demons and the fact that he had a ticking clock and that he was going to get dragged down to hell.
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Kripke: If you had asked me in season one, were there going to be angels in Supernatural, I would have said “absolutely not, you’re fired.” Up to that point I always felt like I didn’t want any supernatural good guys in the show. If there was any force of good, it was going to be Sam and Dean, and they were going to be overwhelmed and outgunned. And as we were kicking towards the end of season three and we were doing lots of demon stories, I was worried that we were overplaying the demon stuff. But the idea that angels could be dicks and that they didn’t have to be this warm fuzzy helpful force, they could actually be a really interesting antagonist, once I kind of realized that, I said, “I’ve never seen that depiction of angels on television before.” It wasn’t just these two boys versus all these demons; it became Sam and Dean trapped in the middle of this massive war where you had two sides battling, and humanity, represented by the boys, were caught in the middle, so how do they play both sides against the other? It balanced the mythology in a way that I think made it much more satisfying.
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Kripke: I’m the first to acknowledge that the idea really came from graphic novels. It came from “Preacher”; it came from “Hellblazer,” which has now become “Constantine,” which is why Castiel wears a trench coat. There’s a reason why Castiel looks exactly like Constantine — it’s because I ripped off Constantine. But I had no idea it was going to be a show at the time! It was funny, as I went into the writers’ room at the start of season four, having thought about it I said, “okay guys, this season we’re doing angels.” And they were like, “What? You asshole!” Because there were so many angel stories that were pitched earlier and I would literally shame them out of the room whenever anyone pitched an angel story, and now I’m presenting it as an entire mythology. But it worked out.
Padalecki: I think season four was really the turning point for the show, and really set the new parameters for what the show is still about to this day, most notably with the introduction of Castiel.
Ackles: This was when “Lost” was on the air, “Heroes” was on the air, these giant mega hits. I remember Eric taking issue with “Lost” because they kept asking questions and never really giving answers. He was against that method of storytelling and said, “no, I’m going to ask the question and I’m going to answer it. And maybe the audience doesn’t like the answer, but I’m most certainly not going to string them along just until I come up with some sort of a solution.” That’s one of the reasons why, from season to season, the bar just kept getting raised and the supernatural world kept getting bigger, almost to the point where it was incomprehensible to the Winchesters. I think we really saw that when the introduction of angels came into play, and then it became something far greater than things that go bump in the night… It was a leap of faith. I wouldn’t have had the confidence to do something like that, but I think it panned out. And now we have one of the most loved characters of the series still with us today.
Collins: I was supposed to be on for three episodes, and they said, “Oh, you might do five episodes,” so they added a couple more, and then they added three more after that… Then they signed me up as a series regular and they kept me on for two years, and then they said they were going to kill me and that we would never see me again in season 7. And then they changed their minds again… I was joining the show the beginning of Season 4. I kind of assumed that that was the tail end of the show. I think everybody really thought that the show was going to be over at the end of Season 5 at that point, which was Kripke’s original vision, so it’s very strange to still be here. We are obviously counting ourselves lucky that the show has run so long.
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Kripke: The movie “Stranger than Fiction” had just come out. And so it started with a really innocent single episode pitch: what happens if Sam and Dean realize that they’re characters in a book; that they find a book that is detailing their entire lives? And then it would give us an opportunity to really poke fun at what we’re doing in “Supernatural,” and that was really fun for me. [Then] somebody said, “well what if he’s a prophet of the lord?” We jumped all over that idea and it really tied into this mythology. It was our first serious meta episode.
And once we introduced him, I thought it was so funny and smart, and you just want to start doing more of it. That’s how I think a lot of the insanity in “Supernatural” emerged. Because we couldn’t repeat ourselves with Chuck: if you’re going to see him again, it better be at a fan convention. Every single time, Bob would say to me, “this is the one where we’ve gone too far.” And then after one of them I responded, “don’t you see? We can never go too far, there is no too far.”
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Kripke: The thing I remember most about that season was how exhausted I was going through it… I knew I wanted some sort of apocalyptic ending where evil Sam had to fight a good Dean. One of the things that was really hard about that season is, it’s one thing in season four when you’re promising the apocalypse: Is it going to happen, can the boys stop it? It’s a whole different matter when you’re saying in season five, “okay, the apocalypse is happening,” because you still are on a budget. There’s an incredible amount of off-camera, “oh no, there’s been an earthquake!” stuff on the news. It’s really difficult to mount something of that scope.
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Ackles: To look at the five seasons, to step back and look at that all as one story… it was a massively grand finale and it was like Game Seven of the World Series, and I just don’t know how you can go on from that. I think Eric thought the same thing. He was like, “I’m throwing out my last pitch and I’m taking off into the sunset,” and that’s what he did, but it had become such a hit that the studio and the network were like, “no, guys, you have to keep going.”
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Gamble: We thought season five would be the last season. But pretty early into [it], Eric came to me and said “signs are pointing toward a season six,” and he was ready to move on and asked me to step in. And he came to me really early because there was a tremendous amount of learning and training and coming behind the curtain to see what he and Bob were doing that had to happen.
There was part of me that was just, lovingly, super pissed at Eric. I was like, “do we have to do this after the apocalypse? We literally burned the story all the way to the apocalypse. We have to start over and find a whole new classification of villains, so what the hell are we going to do?” But we had several months to ponder that. We had a great writers’ room, and everybody put their heads together, and Eric, to his great credit, stayed with the show, and was very active in constructing season six, and was incredibly helpful to me, personally. He was instrumental in figuring out what we were going to do next. It was like a reboot.
Kripke: I read every script. And then once Sera was comfortable in the gig and the studio and network were comfortable, I backed off. And from then I would define my role as a parent who sends their kid off to college. I’m extremely proud. I’m there if they need me… And it was never me running the show alone. It was always me and Bob Singer, and Bob has always been there. So there’s been true continuity. People say “Supernatural” has had different showrunners and it hasn’t. It’s actually always had the same showrunner, he has just had different partners over the last decade.
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Gamble: The good thing about “Supernatural” is some things always remain the same. It’s always a story of two brothers, always a story about that family. It is always a story about the people who fight the things that go bump in the night, and there is always a structure that has an overarching mythology that gets solved piece by piece over the course of a season. That engine is pretty solid. I think one of the first conversations was just, “so we did heaven and we did hell, and oh, there’s a purgatory.” It started from that simple examination: “What is the mythology that we’ve been mining, and what else is in there that we haven’t talked about yet?”
You’re on a show for years and years, and you watch the actors grow up. Sam did not look like little Sammy was just out of college anymore. He was a grown-ass man; Jensen was a grown-ass man. They were adults, and they were men who had been through a lot, so the stories have to evolve, become more mature. They have to be about the problems that people would have in their adult lives, and that’s really how we were approaching these things. We were looking for problems that were not repeats of the problems they were having when they were 17 or 22.
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Kripke: Once we were able to pull off “The French Mistake,” and Sam and Dean were actually able to go and become Jared and Jensen making an episode of “Supernatural,” I think Bob saw that there’s no such thing as too far. If you can pull that off and not destroy your show, you can truly do anything.
The season also saw Castiel drifting further away from the Winchesters, as he was unwittingly manipulated by Crowley in his quest to try and prevent a war among the leaderless angels. By the end of the year, after absorbing thousands of monster souls from purgatory, Castiel became corrupted by his newfound power.
Collins: I loved it. If for no other reason than Cas became God at the end of season six, which has always been a fantasy of mine, personally. There’s a very elite cadre of actors that ever get to [do that]. I think it was a great way to make the character a big bad. I was sorry to see myself killed off shortly thereafter in the beginning of season seven, but glad to see myself resurrected a couple episodes later.
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Singer: We came up with this Leviathan idea: How do a group of monsters who want to take over society go about doing that? And the logical answer for us was, they insert themselves into the fabric of society in powerful ways — that’s what happens with the pharmaceutical companies, it’s what happens with government. It just seemed like an easy place to go and really be able to say something on a week-to-week basis. [We were] changing up what we were to try to make it interesting, and we feel if it’s interesting to us, we hope that it’s interesting for other people… Doing a season that was kind of political with these different monsters that we hadn’t seen before, I thought was pretty bold, and by and large a good season.
Gamble: The price of success is that you have to really be hard on yourself to keep the stakes high in a show like that. How do you keep the stakes high after you’ve faced the demon that kills your mother, angels, the apocalypse? The way that we found our way into that is by keeping it really personal. If it’s about Bobby, it will mean something to the audience, because Bobby means so much to the boys.
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Ackles:(...) That was a huge blow to both the Winchesters because this was a surrogate father figure who had become their anchor, had become their home, and now they once again lost that pivotal character in their story. And so, once again the rug gets whipped out from underneath them and all they’re left with is each other and they’ve got to keep on going. I think that was a really important season because of not just losing Bobby, but look what it did to the story and the direction that it then sent the boys off in.
Padalecki: I thought season 7 was going to be the last season of “Supernatural,” while we were filming it. We’d gone so big with the Leviathans and it was yet another departure from our normal canon. There were times I thought we strayed a little bit; our big bad of the season was Dick Roman [James Patrick Stewart] and there were times I thought there were one too many dick jokes, every now and then I felt like we were straying off-course, but the fans stuck with us and I think that season we introduced Kevin Tran [Osric Chau] who stayed with us for a while, so we said goodbye to a few characters, we met a few new characters.
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Jeremy Carver (writer, executive producer): When I came in, it was a pretty open canvas. A lot of things had wrapped up. The biggest issue was that Dean had been popped down to Purgatory, and what do you do with that? But because there wasn’t an ongoing mythology we had to worry about, we could really let our minds roam and I came up with that main idea of [Dean] becoming best friends with a vampire and then saying, “What if Sam, for once in his life did something that ran contrary to what the world at large — and when I say the world at large, I mean the fans at large as well — thought he should do?” For me, that was a really thrilling tack to take, just because it felt like fresh snow. From a story standpoint, it felt like Sera left lots of opportunity.
And then [there] was this idea of, these guys have been together for so long, at a certain point… they need to – I hate to say “mature” because that sounds like they weren’t mature in the past, but… mature in the sense of really exploring what it is to be their own person. And that’s what was really behind Sam not looking for Dean at the beginning of season eight. It wasn’t so much me taking over as it was like, “let’s put these characters in situations that make sense but feel risky for them as characters.” One thing I really wanted to do was to put a different kind of spotlight on these guys.
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Ackles: One of my most favorite storylines was Dean in Purgatory. If there was one storyline that I wish would’ve dragged out much longer, it would’ve been that one. I would’ve liked to have seen more of what Dean was up against in Purgatory and how he lived and how he existed in that realm and among those things down there and how he was able to survive. And he befriended Benny [Ty Olsson], who I thought was a great character… I was sad to see [him] go when he did.
We’ve lost so many good characters on the show, but that’s one of the reasons why the show is compelling to people, because we do take risks…if there’s a fan favorite character that now could easily be an integral part of the story, we bring them in and then we kill them and it’s shocking. If we can continue not just to entertain people, but to shock them and to make them feel the spectrum of emotion, from joy to loss, then I think we’re doing our job as storytellers. And I think season eight was a good representation of that.
Padalecki: Ultimately, “Supernatural” is really a show about two brothers and their relationship and their struggles and their loyalties and their sacrifices, and so I knew in my heart of hearts that even though season eight started out with Sam having gone off to try and live another normal life with the character of Amelia (Liane Balaban), I figured it was a way to remind both the audience and the cast and crew what the show was about. I thought season seven might’ve gone a little off the reservation, but in a strange way, by steering even further off the reservation and having the brothers not even be involved with each other [at the start of season eight], it really reaffirmed for everybody what the bread and butter of the show is, which, in my opinion is the relationship between the two brothers, so it was a nice rekindling and repartnership of Sam and Dean.
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Padalecki: My favorite part of season eight was the introduction of the Men of Letters. I was so excited to play this smart character, and I really got a chance to delve into that in season eight. I remember with the introduction of the Men of Letters – like I said, in season seven I thought we were maybe coming to an end, and then I read the episode with the Men of Letters and Henry Winchester played by the wonderful Gil McKinney, and I thought, “holy crap, we can go for another eight years.” And it was nice to have a home again. We had burned Bobby Singer’s home down a season prior, and that was our only standing set on “Supernatural,” and so to have the Men of Letters bunker to refuel and research and gather our bearings as characters and actors was a really welcome addition to the show, and I feel like the Men of Letters storyline has really worked wonders for and breathed new life into the show these past couple seasons.
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Carver: The notion of Sam being possessed by an angel was originally Bob Singer’s idea. He threw it out there between seasons and said, “what if to save Sam’s life you had to put an angel in him?” It came from the same cloth of, “what if Dean had to rely on a vampire to escape from Purgatory and they became bonded over that?” You have to make do with the friends that are in front of you. Then we started to just flush out the character of Gadreel, who was originally Ezekiel, and that was one of my favorite characters we’ve done over the last couple of years, just because he felt very fleshed out and very empathetic. And Tahmoh was just wonderful because he has this bearing that is manly and unfamiliar all at once. He really dug into that role. If I remember correctly, Jared actually performed as Tahmoh before Tahmoh had even said a word of dialogue. So there was a leap of faith there on the part of Jared, who did a really spectacular job of portraying two characters, and he really embraced it. I was very happy with the way the whole Ezekiel/Gadreel story worked out, and how it all reflected back on the boys and their relationships.
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Castiel finally became human in season nine — a trajectory that seemed to be a long time coming, after the angel’s powers began to dwindle in season eight.
Collins: That was something that I, as an actor, was looking forward to from the beginning — I kept on hoping that they were going to let Castiel become human for a while, and they finally did, and it was great. I think he had three or four episodes as a human; I wish we’d had a little longer in that realm, because I feel like there was a lot of good material to mine there, but the experience that he had being human made him much more empathetic towards humans, and I think that experience definitely left a lasting impression on him. He, I think, understands some of the subtleties of human interaction a little bit better. He is a little bit more savvy and definitely a lot more empathetic. But being more empathetic also makes him question himself more, have more doubts. He definitely is less cocksure as he moves through life, and he sees the gray areas and both sides of the story a little bit more than he used to.
Dean, meanwhile, became the unwitting recipient of the Mark of Cain, a brand that enables the wearer to wield the First Blade, a powerful weapon – but also saps away their humanity. Dean struggled to control his darker impulses as a result of the Mark, and after dying at the end of the season, found himself resurrected by the power of the Mark and reanimated as a demon, neatly paralleling Sam’s own descent into darkness in earlier seasons.
Carver: In this case, it was [writer and co-executive producer] Robbie Thompson coming up with the idea of Cain [Timothy Omundson]. And I remember him pitching this idea of the Mark of Cain. At the time he pitched it, I remember thinking, “I don’t know exactly where this is going to fit into the overall mythology, but it’s a wonderful thing to plant,” which we do all the time. One of the dirty little secrets of the show is that after we come up with something and it works out really well, we say, “hey, it’s almost like we planned it that way.” Sometimes things are just happy accidents. You try and draw out that roadmap, and then the writers are coming up with all these incredible, creative things. Cain just felt like such a no brainer, to the point where you’re wondering, “why haven’t we had this character in our world before?” We had referenced him before but hadn’t seen him.
But when [Robbie] talked about the Mark of Cain and putting it on Dean, it was something to plant like, “we’re definitely doing this and we’re going to figure out how to make this work as the season goes on,” which is exactly what happened. I’d like to say from the very beginning that we knew [Dean] was going to be a demon, but we didn’t. We had all these ideas of where Dean would go, but sometimes it’s peanut butter and chocolate and it takes a few episodes actually to realize the tools you have right in front of you.
Ackles: If you look back at the majority of series, it really hinges on Sam’s character. That’s the way it was originally intended, that’s the way it serves the story best, but every now and again the spotlight got flipped and turned on Dean, and I think we’re seeing this again with Mark of Cain. That was part of the setup for just very dark and troubled Dean.
Season nine was one of the more difficult seasons that I personally had to deal with, and it was because of not just the weight of the storyline, but because it was so Dean-centric. I was on set pretty much the whole time while everybody else was enjoying their vacation. It was just a lot of weight and a lot of darkness in my world last year, but we got through it and I think it made for some good story and I think it made for a good setup of where we’re going this year… I really enjoyed the twist at the end of last season when we think we lost Dean yet again and lo and behold, an unlikely character comes in and brings him back to life. So I have to give it to Carver on that one, when I read it I was shaking my head with very happy approval, because I knew that was now another massive situation that Sam and Dean are going to have to deal with. And how they [were] going to get out of it, I was anxious to see.
After Dean returned from death as a demon at the end of season nine, Crowley took his newly minted BFF to “howl at the moon,” but their bromance was shortlived – Sam saved his brother and restored Dean’s humanity in the third episode of season ten. So where do the brothers go from here?
Padalecki: Sam, with the help of Castiel, has saved Dean from being a demon and has made good on his promise at the end of season nine where he said he wasn’t gonna let him go, he wasn’t gonna let him die. But Dean is still cursed or possibly forever changed by this Mark of Cain. Sam and Dean don’t really know the repercussions of that just yet; they can’t find Cain; Castiel can’t find any answers; and Crowley’s not helping. We know that the Mark is changing him somehow, Dean doesn’t want it and Sam doesn’t want him to have it, so now they have to go as far as only the Winchesters will go to figure out how to get this Mark of Cain off of Dean before he turns into something that could cause more damage than Sam or Dean have ever seen.
Carver: Dean’s not a demon, but he still has this problem; he’s still got the Mark of Cain. And in the broadest strokes possible, it’s a very, very personal year where our overarching mythology for the season is building in a very methodical, very personal manner. I think a lot of relationships…I’ll even go as far to say a lot of bromances that have sprung up on the show, are going to be tested in ways that I think are going to be very uncomfortable. Each of our characters is going to have to stare into the abyss at some point and say, “who am I?” It’s going to be pretty personal, pretty intense, and pretty surprising as we move down the road.
Thankfully, the 200th episode (airing Nov. 11), is a light-hearted departure: it’s a musical, featuring a score composed by Christopher Lennertz and Jay Gruska, with lyrics by Robbie Thompson, who wrote the episode.
Carver: It’s our love letter to the fans. Many aspects of the fandom are going to see themselves represented in many different ways and in the most loving way possible. It’s an episode that takes a long, loving look at the show, warts and all. And we’re the first to admit our mistakes or our inconsistencies, and I think long-time fans will have a lot of fun seeing where we acknowledge this one big, happy, messy family that we’re all part of.
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#2014-Nov#2014:November11Variety#*SMT#*destiel#*romance#*codependency#c/m saved the show#*CCTOF#Jeremy Carver#Eric Kripke#Sera Gamble#Robert Singer#Peter Roth#Jensen Ackles#Jared Padalecki#Misha Collins#author: Laura Prudom#Variety
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Fan: I actually have a question for you. We would like to know – my friend and I would like to know, um, what you think of the fanfictions and the RPGs (audience groans) and most of all Wincest. (audience groans increase) Because Jensen has said some things, and we want to know your opinion.
Jared: I’m obviously a little... spooked by Wincest, because I’m like, “Is that... JENSEN?! AAH!” (makes a face) (audience laughs) Um... (laughs) But the fanfiction and the RPGs, I think, is- is sort of an aspect of what I was talking about earlier, about how everybody’s taking a part in, um, Supernatural, and they’re not just watching it, to... Y’know, I don’t see anybody writing episodes of Grey’s Anatomy, y’know? Go like, “And then the doctor will say this and use a scalpel.” But, they become really passionate about the show, and I think, um, I think especially for the fans of Supernatural, it’s great. It’s a great learning tool and exploring tool, to explore this world. So, I’m supportive.
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2020: Twitter- Meghan Fitzmartin, Emma Peterson, Davy Perez, Jeremy Adams (Part 3)
After the previous exchanges were over certain factions still felt upset about this exchange and later, and tried to convey their upset to the writers:
nataliefisher: “That would possibly be because people felt pre-warned that something would be a big deal, and so felt like they were being told to look for meaning. ‘emmafpeterson: Me, thinking about tomorrow's #songoftheday and the likely reactions to it.... 🙃🎶 [A few people already know what it is because I warned them last week...] ‘[gif of season 6 gag reel of J2M dancing and jumping in a wooded area. Caption on the bottom of the gif reads ‘I REGRET NOTHING’]’” - 1:34 Sep 5, 2020
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megfitz89: “Possibly! But the translation was wrong. We have to celebrate the friendships from the show however we can since who knows when we will see each other 🤷♀️“ -1:36 AM Sep 5, 2020
nataliefisher: But it's not fair to expect the internet to psychically understand injokes or private things when something is being presented publicly for the fandom. You know I'm not a dick about stuff like this, but honestly if she KNEW it was misinterpretable, the risk was taken by choice.
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nataliefisher: It would be different without forewarning & presented with the caveat but that's not what happened. Ppl were primed to be looking out for something they assumed was important. It's not fair to criticise them for making a big deal when there was an arrow pointed saying Big Deal.
nataliefisher: I love you guys and the family you've formed, but I truly don't know how you expected this to go in this circumstance.
megfitz89: Oh I wasn’t criticizing! My tweet was truly from a place of “oh this is interesting” because it went in a surprising direction!
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megfitz89: “I think it’s a trust thing? But also none of us knew it was misinterpretable.” - 1:42 AM Sep 5, 2020
nataliefisher: “Emma's tweet very much sounds like she was aware how the fandom would react. Maybe she meant how the friend group would react, to cause inner heart tugs, but that's not what it comes across like.” - Sep 5, 2020
megfitz89: “Very much about the friend group, not about fandom. It’s almost impossible to guess how fandom will react to anything tbh. We have talked about this song for months and she was excited to share the SOTD with us.” - Sep 5, 2020
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nataliefisher: “Well, that's often the result of ingrouping/socialising in a public place. I am sorry people are giving you shit about it. I think people are just very stressed.” - Sep 5, 2020
megfitz89: “Totally understand the stress. It’s 2020. Stress is the daily feel, I think. We all seek to express it and feel love and celebrate each other however we can.” - 1:50 Sep 5, 2020
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nataliefisher: “Fans generally have expected/analysed the quote and song to be thematic to the scenes shot that day. As far as I know, the Vancouver Production Board people are generally aware of this, even if they've denied that's the deal, there was an awareness people think that.” - 1:51 AM Sep 5, 2020
nataliefisher: “And I think that's why people are pissed.” - Sep 5, 2020
megfitz89: “ Interesting! Good to know! Truly unaware of things like that, for as connected as twitter makes us seem, it is also very unconnected!” - Sep 5, 2020
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nataliefisher: “I really only saw this whole thing 5 mins ago and I don't know the song, so I have no dog in this fight. But yeah.” - Sep 5, 2020
megfitz89: “😂 no worries! It is all good info and thoughts!” - 1:55 AM Sep 5, 2020
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CatherineinNB: “This ... hurts? Like for real I just cried & am trying not to cry again. We're legit struggling as a fandom right now. This is really, really, really hard & we really love you guys & we often cope with the uncertainty by trying to put together the pieces & ... yeah, this hurts.” - Sep 5, 2020
davyperez: “ Please stay healthy and take care of yourself.” - 1:39 AM Sep 5, 2020
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davyperez: “We love this show and its fandom. Writing for Supernatural has been a good part of our lives. We’ve lost sleep. Had children. Cried. Literally many times. We are in the last day of filming, trying for a cathartic celebration. But alas- Perhaps we should say goodbye in private.” - Sep 5, 2020
davyperez: “We will all be working on other shows, which will all be great, watch and support them, and hopefully you will get your fix there!“ - 1:56 AM Sep 5, 2020
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••other parts: [part 1] [part 2]
#2020-Sep#2020:September3-5#*CCTOF#*destiel#*queerbaiting#Meghan Fitzmartin#Emma Peterson#Davy Perez#Jeremy Adams#Twitter#NightWeMetgate
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2020: Twitter- Meghan Fitzmartin, Emma Peterson, Davy Perez, Jeremy Adams (Part 2)
Some fans started taking offense to this teasing, thinking it was to their expense:
mishtheuniverse: “Really feels like you guys are making fun of us. Kind of sucks. 🙃” - Sep 5, 2020
davyperez: “ I’m making fun of Meghan. Sorry if you’re feeling attacked. Please don’t. It’s all in good fun. Stay healthy!” - Sep 5, 2020
megfitz89: “ Yes agree! Can confirm this is joking at my expense and no one elses!” - 12:40 AM Sep 5, 2020
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tenoko1: “This is why I’m glad I stick to interacting w/ ppl in the Good Omens fandom.” - Sep 5, 2020
megfitz89: “Oh I don’t mind it (except when people get mad at Emma). For the most part I just find it fascinating, because it’s such a study of people and people are amazing!” - 12:41 AM Sep 5, 2020
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tenoko1: “True, but you have a wider lens perspective than were you in the trenches. Emotional investment, uncertainty, and dog fights over long periods of time wear you down like the ocean wears down rocks.” - Sep 5, 2020
megfitz89: “Totally! Look, I have/am in fandoms. I’ve also been able to disassociate myself (thanks to my own backstory). Ultimately I find fandom an extremely important element of story, but I also understand how toxic it can get, especially in a vulnerable place like 2020. It’s a process.” - Sep 5, 2020
tenoko1: “Which is why/how Good Omens the show and fandom were like a breath of fresh air in a world intent on suffocating us. IT’S SO FLUFFY AND FULL OF DEVOTION AND LOYALTY. I didn’t know a show could hug me and give me cocoa, but leave it to Gaiman, Sheen, and Tennant.” - Sep 5, 2020
megfitz89: “💗💗💗
Love that!!” - 12:52 AM Sep 5, 2020
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tenoko1: “I think this is Davy’s way of saying he misses these kind of experiences.” - Sep 5, 2020
davyperez: “ I haven’t seen the other writes in months, what better way to say “hello” than random torment.” - 12:43 AM Sep 5, 2020
megfitz89: ““random” this is targeted at me specifically and I just have to say I MISS YOU TOO DAVY”
davyperez: “ Stop. I DON’T HAVE FEELINGS!” - Sep 5, 2020
megfitz89: “🤗🤗🤗“ - Sep 5, 2020
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So, Davy, Meghan, and Jeremy then continued:
davyperez: “See, this is what happens when I “tweet more often” MEGHAN PAYS.” - 12:42 AM Sep 5, 2020
megfitz89: “I TOLD you you can just text me Davy. We are are family now, after all.“ - Sep 5, 2020
davyperez: “ But every single time we text, you just want to talk about the finale!” - Sep 5, 2020
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megfitz89: “D A V Y” - 12:45 AM Sep 5, 2020
davyperez: “😈” - Sep 5, 2020
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spacekicker: “’[gif of jennifer lawrence doing a spit take]’“ - 12:45 AM Sep 5, 2020
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davyperez: “Jeremy, you remember how Meghan was the only one writer in the office who actually did any work, like ever?? The rest of us just drank coffee and ate a lot of fries. Watching Meghan overwhelmed...now that is the spirit of Christmas.” - 1:00 AM Sep 5, 2020
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spacekicker: I actually have a gif of it ⬇️ ‘[gif of Minnie Mouse wearing glasses, typing on a keyboard and taking calls, surrounded by stacks of papers, a steaming coffee mug, and a fast moving clock on the back wall]’“ - 1:06 AM Sep 5, 2020
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davyperez: “Can confirm.” - 1:07 AM Sep 5, 2020
megfitz89: “Meanwhile, the rest of you loonies: “Meghan why are you stressed? Meghan what is Andrew doing? Meghan please distract me so I don’t have to get my writing done!”” - Sep 5, 2020
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davyperez: “Meghan, while I’m here waiting for Andrew, here are some of my internal demons for you to ponder...” - Sep 5, 2020
megfitz89: “Me, trying to process boundaries: ‘[gif of Phoebe Buffay in Monica’s apartment with the bottom caption saying ‘I wish I could, but I don’t want to.’]’“ - Sep 5, 2020
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spacekicker: “Me every time I tried to get to Andrew’s office ‘[gif of a woman sneaking across a foyer.]’“ - Sep 5, 2020
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megfitz89: “Me, from my old desk: ‘[gif of child wagging her finger disapprovingly while eating a cracker.]’“- Sep 5, 2020
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_Bellabyrinth: “I think you should all continue bonding this evening. Just relax! Play a game on Zoom - a drinking game! And then, you should all tweet about the finale for a spell. ‘[gif of a black and white lady smoking, wearing an evening dress, sitting beside a cocktail drink, and looking interestingly back and forth]’” - 1:01 AM Sep 5, 2020
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davyperez: “But what if her so drunk we spoil it?! I don’t know... this sounds like a trap. Count me in!” - Sep 5, 2020
megfitz89: “How drunk are you now and do I have to call Amanda” - Sep 5, 2020
davyperez: “Which Amanda? You mean Spock’s mother?” - 1:05 AM Sep 5, 2020
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megfitz89: “DONT BRING YOUR NEW SHOW INTO THIS” - 1:06 AM Sep 5, 2020
davyperez: “TV IS A FLAT CIRCLE!” - Sep 5, 2020
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spacekicker: “‘[gif of lady sitting beside a bearded man, flicking her hair back with the bottom caption saying ‘#humblebrag’]’” - 1:06 AM Sep 5, 2020
davyperez: “Oops. 😬” - Sep 5, 2020
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••other parts: [part 1] [part 3]
[not all tweet threads of the conversation between the writers or writers and fans were included, so click on the source links if you want the entire conversation]
#2020-Sep#2020:September3-5#*CCTOF#*destiel#*queerbaiting#Meghan Fitzmartin#Emma Peterson#Davy Perez#Jeremy Adams#Twitter#NightWeMetgate
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Fan: Hi
Alex: Hey.
Fan: Um my name is Melody and you’re my favorite actor. I wanted to say that real quick.
Alex: Wow, thank you.
Fan: And, my question is, does Jack know about the sexual tension between Dean and Castiel? (audience cheers)
Alex: (gives a clueless gesture to the audience)
Fan: (says something but audience is too loud)
Alex: What was the last thing you said?
Fan: And, how do you think he reacts to it?
Alex: (gives another I guess wtf gesture) You guys are very, uh, it’s always very, like, yes or no on these ones. Uh, I think the sexual tension you're seeing is brotherhood. (audience claps and cheers) uh... (Alex shrugs) And then- you know what? We’re all having our own viewing experience, and I definitely think you would like to see your own version of My Three Dads: The Sit-Com. (audience laughs) I would be the comedic relief. And uh, again, on your show I’m guessing there’s topless bull riding and such. (audience laughs) Uh, I think Jack- what actually I like about the character is that he is, is so- the idea of, like, sexuality for him and uh, even seeing that, is so beyond where he’s at. Uh, which is great. So he’s- he’s just more focused on, like, (laugh) y’know, trying to save his friends, as opposed to like, “What’s that sexual tension over there?” (audience laughter) “Over there at the corner there.” Hah. Thank you.
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Asylum 7 Misha Collins Panel
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Fan: Uh, my question is, Destiel or Wincest?
(audience groans)
Misha: Woah. It’s nice to have someone cross that line so early in the morning. Um, for those of you who are not up to speed, what she’s asking me is do I prefer the homoerotic (audience laughs) writings that involves this angel human-thing or the disgusting, um, twin- I mean- what is it called? Brother- incest! That’s what it is. Um, no, actually I, uh, I don’t- I have to say, I still haven’t, uh, bulked up on my, uh, (audience laughs) on my slash fic, um, so I don’t know. What is- What’s your preference? You obviously like both. (audience laughs)
Fan: I am a Destiel fan. (audience cheers)
Misha: This is actually kind of the most out crowd I’ve ever- (audience laughs) Wh- (laughs) Okay, so there’s this phenomenon, I don’t know if you know about it or not, but some of you do. Probably, most of you do it. (audience laughs) Um, but it’s like writing, uh, fans who write stories about the characters in the show, and- And not just this show, I think it started with, uh, Spock and Captain Kirk or something among everyone. (waves hand) Is that not true? I don’t care. (audience laughs) And- and then there’s- they write stories, like, “And then, you know Spock’s you know s-uh…” (audience laughs) “-spotted Captain Kirk’s glistening lips and went in for a kiss...” And uh, this is starting to sound like making me uncomfortable. Um, anyways, so is- is this- Am- am I wrong? I mean, is this- (audience yells no) No, I’m not wrong? (points at audience) Lots of negatives in there, but I am right. (audience laughs) And, so, um, so the- then in- and this carries on to this day in- with Sam and Dean doing things to one another, and (audience laughs). Whatever! And, um, and when I first started, somebody told- when I kept coming to conventions, somebody told me about this, and I was like, “Really what is this?” And- and someone asked- got up, someone with perverse tendencies just like yourself (audience laughs) and asked a question, and the crowd went “Nooooo! Boo! Lynch her! Terrible!” And now everybody is like, “Yeah!” (makes the OK sign and pumps his fist as the audience laughs). “We do, too!” (holds up a peace sign) So, it’s like everybody’s coming out. It’s nice. It’s fucked up, but it’s nice.
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