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Was looking all over spotify for nwjs new song before I realized they had only dropped the mv, but it met my expectations of their usual sound. An easy listen and the flute in the background was nice.

#I don’t have any strong feelings for it one way of the other tbh

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I know mhj is probably shady as hell but I read about the indefinite non compete clause in her contract and in that one small thing I understand why she started panicking. Seems that non competes are a gray area in south korea including when you can contest ending it and things get even murkier if the employer alleges wrongdoing like in this case. I know she's probably awful but I think why k-side feels sorry for her is because none of us can tell how much of this is hybe media play. I-fans already decided that gfriend disbanded because of her and that she started hate trains against other Hybe groups and got garam kicked out but these are all blanks filled in by fans based on crumbs left by hybe. They have carefully not made any direct allegations apart from the financial side of it and the shaman debacle with BTS.

It's hard to see where their manipulation ends and her wrong doing starts. I'm absolutely not absolving her of anything like some new jeans stans are so keen on doing but I also don't have the knee jerk instinct of armys to accept Hybe's version of events. Hybe will probably emerge the winner in this but I hope she gets some good hits in somehow (as long as it doesn't involve Jimin or BTS). I know people have said she's not managed to do anything but this whole incident has really tarnished Hybe and bang PD in the publics eye even if they end up victorious

For me Hybe and Jimin are opposing parties, not figures on the same side so if Hybe becomes weaker from all this, I'm going to count it as a win even if it doesn't directly affect jimin

I agree with you. I’ve never taken sides in this because both hybe and mhj have their committed offenses, but Bang has ultimately shown how truly shifty he is and has been. The media play is absolutely a factor. I think they are utilizing what they can and have available to try turn the public against her without going into slanderous/libel territory. (The fact that she basically confirmed everything they claimed about her and then some worked in their favor. Especially with the shaman bit cause that honestly sounded real fake when I first read it) I don’t feel sorry for her, cause again she’s not all there in the head, but seeing how innocent Bang has played while also being a shitty person? The hypocrisy pisses me off.

There are more armys who have started to acknowledge that Bang and hybe are not good entities but I do agree that they’re more focused on MHJ’s transgressions than anything else. Like how are pjms really the only ones that connected the dots but armys are still acting like Bang’s greed and self interests hadn’t already infected BTS well before this drama even came to light? I don’t think there’s going to be a winner in this, but MHJ has been made a thumbnail while Bang has remained faceless in all of this despite also sharing blame. Hybe just looks like an incompetent company that got too much money, gained growth too quickly and has no idea how to handle either. The whole management team needs an overhaul and I pray hard that bang and scooter get scrapped next and replaced with better people.

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mhj:

made every single mv for every track in their discography

have insane paid playlisting (that gets covered because their music is decent) in some cases more than jk too

situated herself above bts (this might seem silly but it's powerplay on her part)

namedropped bts, illit, and lsrfm and useless knets starts attacking the lsrfm and illit

she also bought the brands, awards (which jimin would have won otherwise) and music festivals

made newjeans fans successfully believe she is a victim of misogyny, those girls are mistreated and now they are defending her like anything

told their girls are crying and supporting her

most of the netizens are on her side even though she shamelessly admitted looking for a shaman?

whole twt thinks that hybe bought awards from newjeans = their flop faves downfall is planned by hybe? wow this woman is more evil and cunning than I thought

I don’t believe that MHJ bought any awards for nwjs. They had a good year last year so I’ve never side eyed them winning. What was crazy to me was Jimin not winning anything for these western awards when he got noms or not being nominated in the first place (since hybe didn’t bother to submit him) when he had an incredible year. I do believe that Hybe used their connections to get them stages and these brands, but that’s nothing out the ordinary because I expect that from a company.

For any tokki to say that nwjs is mistreated is straight lie. They’re dragging it. Literally saw a post scraping the bottom of the barrel trying to prove it because they were sitting on the floor in the big ass practice room of a multi million dollar building watching reaction vids on an iPad…Like had this situation with hybe not occurred, tokkis wouldn’t even be brining that claim up so we’re ignoring that. And I honestly don’t care about what’s happening with MHJ. She’s weird down and with how she’s been moving, you’d think tokkis would prioritize those girls over wanting to keep MHJ intact just cause they prize her visual concepts.

The amount of hit tweets I’ve seen from kpop stans trying to relate hybe’s transgressions to groups that have never had any connection to that company (or brining up groups that disbanded before hybe was even formed) proves how stupid these people are. And then it’s mainly exols chatting. They truly believe that exo was so peak in quality that it’s just so unfathomable to them that they fell off. The conversation couldn’t just stay on the topic of corrupt ceos. They always have to bring BTS into it.

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Jimin shoulda got his face off and alone mvs point blank. Hybe has always had the money and it wasn’t “asking for too much.” They’re letting the rest of the members get everything they desire with these comebacks. There’s literally no explanation that anybody in that building could give as to why Jimin cannot be afforded the same.

Now I know that’s not 5 MVs I count in that promotion schedule.

#if pjm2 is handled the same way FACE was #imma need Bang’s head on a pike expeditiously

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Now I know that’s not 5 MVs I count in that promotion schedule.

#once again bighit proves that it is indeed possible #will never let a rapline stan tell me them 3 not privileged

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Hybe coming out with new statements that included how they “did their best to promote all their artists and labels without any discrimination.”

Unfortunately everybody’s not willfully stupid like armys love to be. Your “best” could not be 9 days worth of half assed promotion, purposefully crippling Jimin’s debut by not awarding him a fair amount of resources, green lighting articles that undermined his success on your own app after barely acknowledging it in the first place and then leaving him out to dry just cause he’s not the favorite and deviated too far from Bang PD’s shitty master plan.

#I need that ngga to perish

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Finally dropping that album after dragging it for how damn long. Yes god pjm2 might be in the clear.

#now all I need is jin to hurry up and put out what he’s gonna put out

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https://x.com/fwgrandee/status/1782448179666960845?s=46&t=xZfMNrysfzaHDchIEDZ2ZQ i believe they call this karma 🥂

“https://x.com/taesoothe/status/1782423298015408426. I don't trust any "source" but the rumors are getting murkier because kakao involvement is new”

This whole debacle is probably gonna be a drawn out thing and since it doesn’t really concern BTS or Jimin, I’m moving past it. But anything that causes that company or specifically Bang strife, 👍🏾.

#hope the njws girls get through it tho #double answered asks

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and she also plagiarised lol this whole thing is a circus full of idiots who are blinded by money and power

https://x.com/1llaya/status/1782472237624311890?s=46&t=xZfMNrysfzaHDchIEDZ2ZQ

https://x.com/moonchild_koo/status/1782380178016284760?s=46&t=xZfMNrysfzaHDchIEDZ2ZQ

poor girls.. kpop is so ruined by these old ppl

The MVs are definitely similar. The cover art is too but I’m not seeing who it belongs to or where it comes from in the comments? Unless it’s from the same group who’s in the MV?

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https://www.tumblr.com/solarwynd/748492612592386048/i-see-army52hz-is-back-so-jk-single-incoming?source=share

If as what you're saying about justin is true then that also matches with jk saying he's got something big coming from after 6 months which was supposed to be around June so yeah that matches so this could be it too. From last 2 years i always thought that there is that Justin x BTS or Justin x Jk Collab is somewhere in there it's just about time it gets released. I always felt that way and maybe this could be it. Maybe they wanna try another summer hit.

“About 2 months ago a TMZ story popped up on my IG feed re: a Jungkook/Justin Bieber collab likely releasing in June. I closed the app, then went to look for the TMZ story later and it was nowhere to be found. 🧐 We all know that collab is Bang and JK’s ultimate goal. I suspect the travel show will be released around the same time to calm angry PJMs. Just my hunch…”

It’s just speculation on my end. I don’t have anything solid to back it up other than JB and Scooter having previous ties & his current plan of aligning JK with major male American soloists. Still, going off of what JK was hinting at for June, I don’t think he’d be hyping the fandom up for a travel show. (Or that hybe would be dropping it to calm down pjms cause the majority of them don’t even want it released for obvious reasons. And the last thing Hybe gives a fuck about are Jimin or his fans lmao)

There’s multiple things happening in June already with Festa and Jin coming back. If they put both on the back burner to accommodate a JK single I wouldn’t be surprised. Would be grimey but it’s hybe. I remember pics dropping of a cinematographer? (Probably not what they’re actually called) from scooter and people were thinking that it might’ve been for a documentary for JK. I’m not sure if that already transpired or if it was for that kid laroi documentary that had JK in it. The supposed TMZ story is interesting though. Haven’t seen any armys mention it and I feel like they would have if they had caught wind even if it was a rumor. Anyway if there’s really something dropping in June/July and they wanna build hype for it, it’ll get revealed sometime next month.

#double answered asks

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i have a genuine question its not really about mhj per see but since this whole drama i've been seeing also newjs being brought up in the conversation and i genuinely wonder what do they bring to the table? to me their success is fully dependant on the timing of putting out that y2k concept (not an original concept ofc but fresh in the kpop sphere at that time) and having the platform that is hybe and being given the means to get successful and riding on that whole the new bts agenda. Because aside from things that are simply tailored by others and manufactured for them there is nothing else to me, even as performers/presence they give nothing as artists either like its all very interchangeable you could get any other 5 pretty girls do the same and you'll get the same result. Not to be that person but this is also the reason why i can get into many other kpop groups beside bts because bts have a certain individuality and smth real as a group. Maybe its also because njs are still young but its also why i always find myself finding groups with grown up women in kpop more interesting so i'm not the target audience idk

Artistry wise? Nothing tbh. They’re more performers to me than anything and that’s pretty much the story with most kpop groups. I mean they can sing and have great stage presence, but like you said that doesn’t really differentiate them from the other groups out there that have those same attributes.

Like take Jimin for example. He’s known for his specialized dancing. The specific way he moves nobody can replicate that, it’s unique to him, but with njws yea you could put another set of 5 young pretty girls on stage with their same concept and you wouldn’t feel an absence. All that being said though, I don’t think they need to be bonafide artists. Cause at a certain point it comes off a bit pretentious. Everybody doesn’t need to have deeper meaning in their music, not everybody has to be a creative of their own merit. I think it’s okay to have groups that are just surface level vibes or simply cute.

I relate about not being able to get into other acts. For me it’s mainly cause the music isn’t good. Outside of that, I can appreciate any good song. I still tend gravitate towards people who naturally are artistic when it comes to their music though cause I appreciate good storytelling and extra thought in any type of work. I also get what you mean about older female k artists too. The Mamamoo girls come to mind especially Hwasa. There’s still older k idols who make cute music too though, like Twice. And imo njws music doesn’t target a specific age group, more like people who like a certain aesthetic, but I can definitely see why younger people would flock to them. Cute doesn’t always necessarily equate to younger. It’s really all just preference.

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I see army52hz is back - so JK single incoming within the next two months right? They always show up 'coincidentally' when he has a release and goes on rest for other members

Unfortunately to both but maybe to the later. That account has been gone since what last DEC? Two members just released back to back and they were MIA. It’s so obvious that they’re insanely biased towards JK and very clearly a jimin anti, yet armys are throwing them a welcome back party as I type. They can’t even use the cover of the doing well by the group because they’ve never put as much energy into BTS as they did for JK.

I know Justin Beiber has been rumored to drop something and knowing scooter, he could’ve hooked a collab up between those two. Probably even held off on releasing it because with JK enlisted, that’d be the perfect track for a ft to carry his name while he’s away. I also saw some people speculate that they could be back to try and boost JK’s numbers for award season too but that’s so far away I don’t see why they’d be popping up for that now.

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"HYBE, a leading K-POP company, is blinded by short-term profits and copies successful cultural content without any hesitation, producing banality instead of showing novelty.

honestly she's no different been milking that pop trap repetitive sound for nj cause it succeeded they are all the same. same way she said she's against the whole "calling a group, another group's young sisters" when thats what she's been pushing riding on bts until she fully launched those girls like the lack of self awareness is smth

I do like new jeans and their music but I don’t think they’ve evolved past their debut at all and maybe that’s not a goal. They’re overall sound is repetitive. Although I don’t think the songs sound the same, At some point, I can see it starting to become stagnant to me.

And one thing I’ll always agree with armys on is making sure these other groups and their stans remember who started all this though. Cause any other narrative will never fly.

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Mhj will loose, I’m sure. Hybe is already playing its “media knows the truth” card. I don’t believe in any personal info leakage from her part though. Still she is a monster. Just as all of them are. Pure businessman (in her case - woman) with no morals.

But you know what’s interesting? This “she leaked info” reminds me about jjks: when they are known to do smth illegal but spread everywhere that pjms do it. So my idea is: maybe it was you, Hybe, who leaked smn’s personal info and now you want to blame smn else?.. I have smn in my mind.

Mhj, try to hold out longer. I want you to spill more tea before crushing down. I especially loved her answer “bang is blinded by short term profits, producing banality”

“we’re all thinking the same thing, right?… https://x.com/hyeindolls/status/1782351941407744445”

"HYBE, a leading K-POP company, is blinded by short-term profits and copies successful cultural content without any hesitation, producing banality instead of showing novelty." she ate that one line 👏🙂‍↕️ no bc you can even think of someone they flied to la after someone got a #1 on hot100 (the first to do it without the support of them)

I’ve seen a lot of pjms bring back up jimin’s mail getting stolen and his personals leaked. Honestly I can’t even remember exactly when that happened, but for some reason I feel like it was before njws even debuted? It could’ve been around the time they did I’m not sure, but it definitely couldn’t have been too far into their success for her to have any real potential leverage in leaking anything. (Which is why I’m skeptical) Will never put anything past hybe though.

Any “tea” that she could possibly have probably wouldn’t be of any interest to me. I’m really not even too deep in this now. I doubt she’d be privy to anything serious regarding BTS or specifically Jimin. Even though I know people at that company have loose lips and sticky fingers (Been patiently waiting on a Sony circa 2014 email hack between scooter and bang for a minute now cause that’s the exposé that’s really needed.) I do agree with MHJ on Bang because his vision is cheap and uninspired, (also imagine how the same company that managed to come up with a group like BTS getting read like this 🥴) but you still just gotta giggle at the high horse she’s on during all this.

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Armys are delusional as hell if they think scooter is gonna get the mhj treatment lmaoo, he got his claws in everything hybe and he’s never leaving. The mhj thing is nothing more than an ego war bc bongo is mad she’s taking all the credit for new jeans

The future Bang has planned out in america hinges entirely on that man. Hybe doesn’t need MHJ, but it needs Scooter.

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legally, how can she say illit copied newjeans, by showing a tiktok video of minor similarities? she really started the statement by telling internet reactions, then the whole internet also calls her ped0?

I don’t see what that last part of your ask has to do with what’s currently going on, but my thing is MHJ is acting like this is the biggest breach of her intellectual property when new jeans isn’t really anything unique or new? Again they put out a fresh concept for kpop that got successful at the right time. But that’s probably why she feels so scandalized about it because she feels as though she did make something no one’s ever seen before and that’s why they blew up. It literally comes off as a petty stan twitter fight. Like how blinks would go after any gg member that dressed remotely similar to any of those girls.

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It'll be a miracle if new jeans comes out of this unscathed. They'll either lose Hybe or they'll lose MHJ or worst case lose both. They have a comeback soon too right? Very messy for them and their fans

This Friday actually which is 💀 literally the worst time for this to be happening, but the girls have genuine GP. I don’t think people are gonna let this affect listening to their music cause it really doesn’t have anything to do with them personally. It’s not like njws did anything bad. Reading that statement MHJ put out though, she is not letting njws go without a fist fight cause she’s really made those girls her entire life’s work.

#I think loosing hybe would probably be worse than loosing MHJ because that’s a financial safety net at the very least.