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PLEASE give us your top ten kdj/yjh moments <3

Ok so this only took me about 2 months to finally get around to putting the list together but anyway here we go (also it’s very long and i spent 5 entire hours writing this all up lmao)

Top 10 Kim Dokja and Yoo Joonghyuk moments from Omniscient Reader's Viewpoint

Big spoilers my friends

1.「Incarnation Kim Dokja will be killed by the person he loves most.」

Yeah you've read the novel you know how it is. Next.

2. The Demon Realm Reunion

There was a flustered laugh as relief spread from deep inside my heart. I wonder why. I glanced at Aileen's wrist watch at this moment. The clock wasn't going backwards. The time was advancing steadily without rewinding. The needle could go back but time wouldn't return.

"...He came." I was so happy that I wanted to call out his name. -- I smiled and said, "The real Yoo Joonghyuk came." I couldn't see or hear it but I could feel it. That person was definitely in this world. (chapter 220)

These two really pulled a whole Call Me By Your Name re-enactment like?? they each started a revolution and conquered entire cities in the other's name, thereby causing the entire Star Stream to crash for like a week because nobody knew how to deal with this unprecedented public courtship display.

3. The pocket watch arc (aka my favourite motif)

I suddenly seemed to understand a bit of his mind. To the regressor Yoo Joonghyuk, the time in these worlds didn't belong to him. In a life that could go back over and over again, the present time was meaningless. Once this was over, I would ask Aileen to make me a watch. If he had something like this, he might become more attached to this world. Maybe the regression depression would get better... (chapter 207)

The extent that YJH matters to KDJ.... *sobs* Long quote incoming but this really is one of my favourite scenes ever:

It was a hospital room. He could feel the texture of a soft bed and his right hand touched something hard. Yoo Joonghyuk raised his upper body with a groan and saw a small pocket watch wrapped around his arm with a watch strap. The moving hands of the clock were like his heartbeat. Yoo Joonghyuk looked down at his watch.

Yoo Joonghyuk looked up at the sky. The sky was bright enough that the light of the stars wasn't needed. He counted the light of the constellations beyond them. He counted and counted again. He didn't know. There were so many stars that he couldn't find the person. -- It must be an error. He sent the message repeatedly, several times over and over. He sent it, sent it and sent it again.

As the messages kept being returned, Yoo Joonghyuk's gaze slowly lowered. Then finally, 「You have exceeded the quota for today's messages.」 There was a ticking pocket watch in the foreground while messages filled Yoo Joonghyuk's vision. 「The constellation 'Demon King of Salvation' doesn't exist in the Star Stream.」「The constellation 'Demon King of Salvation' doesn't exist in the Star Stream.」「The constellation 'Demon King of Salvation' doesn't exist in the Star Stream.」「The constellation --- (chapter 281)

Mmmm *chefs kiss* IT'S ABOUT THE DESPERATION. THE SOUND OF THE TICKING POCKET WATCH AS THE CHAPTER CONCLUDES BY REPEATING THE SAME STATEMENT OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN LIKE THE SOUND OF HIS HEARTBEAT BUILDING UP.

Then later followed by the part where KDJ is reminiscing to a comatose YJH about all their past encounters and joint battles only to fall asleep next to him and wake up to THIS:

The dim moonlight was coming in through the window. It was a bare hospital room. I slowly rubbed my eyes. Then I realised something was wrong. "...Yoo Joonghyuk?" The bed was empty. Yoo Joonghyuk couldn't be seen anywhere in the room. -- I hurriedly got up but I couldn't feel Yoo Joonghyuk anywhere. On the bed, the pocket watch with the familiar design remained. (chapter 355)

IT'S ABOUT THE PARALLEL BETWEEN YJH WAKING UP (in a hospital room) TO A WORLD WITHOUT KDJ WHILE WEARING THE WATCH HE GOT FROM HIM, TO KDJ WAKING UP (also in a hospital room, just for good measure) TO A WORLD WITHOUT YJH WITH ONLY THE WATCH LEFT BEHIND THAT HE ORIGINALLY GAVE HIM. IT'S ABOUT THE SYMBOLISM.

4. Kim Dokja x 1864th round Yoo Joonghyuk

[What? They were fighting and holding each other by the collar a few hours ago...] In the distant place, Kim Dokja seemed to be stroking Yoo Joonghyuk’s head. Looking at this scene, Gabriel was reminded of Uriel and herself. It was different but there was some resemblance. (chapter 288)

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: KDJ is such an unreliable narrator who doesn’t tell us anything half of the time even if it’s directly related to the plot, much less if it’s not relevant to the scenarios. For all we know, these two could be holding hands in every scene they are together and we would be none the wiser. Considering they have held hands during battle, they could very well continue doing that outside battle and KDJ has just conveniently decided to omit that from the narrative.

Of course we can’t forget about the legendary moment that comes right after: “Yoo Joonghyuk, eat the soil.”

5. The returnee’s reunion

Midday Tryst was a temporary item. After a certain time elapsed, the period of use had to be extended by paying additional coins. Yet Midday Tryst was activated without delay. In other words, someone had been extending that period of time. (chapter 304)

Keep in mind that KDJ has been gone for THREE YEARS and there was no reason to think he would be back or even alive, yet YJH continuously extended the use of their private chat window. (And later on we see he was even using it as his own little notes app to write about the members of KDJC on the off-chance that KDJ would read them omg that's so endearing wtf that's literally so cute??) And then of course the reunion itself:

We fought desperately as if it was the only conversation we could share with each other. -- I couldn't help smiling. I thought this whole thing was a misunderstanding. I thought Yoo Joonghyuk attacked me because he didn't recognize me. Nevertheless, it wasn't like that. -- Yoo Joonghyuk recognized me and knew I would come here. I didn't know how it was possible but it was obvious. He was waiting for me here. (chapter 304)

*cries* also note how before KDJ landed on Earth he said “I’m going to look for somebody” and the Flying Fox was like “Oho do you have a lover waiting?” and KDJ legit just smiled at him. *dries tears* anyway moving on

6. This absolute shoujo manga moment

If it fails, I would die here. At this moment, the weight of the spear lightened. Someone was also holding onto the spear from behind me. -- “Kim Dokja, there is only one chance.” It was an eternal ‘once’. A ‘once’ made with the countless failures of the regressor. “It has always been ‘once’ for me.” Thus, this one chance couldn’t fail. We threw the spear at the same time. (chapter 331)

No wonder it was nominated for Best Chemistry Award at the Banquet of Good And Evil

7. The re-introduction on Reincarnation Island

"My name is Kim Dokja. Twenty-eight... No, wait. I was twenty-eight, and I was an employee of a game company. My hobby was reading web novels...” As if I was talking to someone I met for the first time, I continued to tell my own story. “It’s pathetic, right? Well, this is who I am... Yoo Joonghyuk, who are you?”

To me, Yoo Joonghyuk was someone I ‘knew’ since from a long time ago. To be more specific, he was someone I read all about myself. That was why I had never heard about his story in his own words. He finally opened his mouth. “I am Yoo Joonghyuk. -- Yoo Joonghyuk, a former regressor.” (chapter 370)

THE CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT HERE!!! KDJ’s coming to terms with YJH being his own person, taking a step to genuinely introducing himself and getting to know someone after a lifetime of loneliness and isolation, YJH’s no longer defining himself as a regressor, and of course the development in their dynamic as Companions of Life and Death. And KDJ’s resolution to not use Omniscient Reader’s Viewpoint on YJH anymore because that would reduce him to a character again. It’s brilliant.

8. Yoo Joonghyuk vs. Secretive Plotter

[Why are you tring to rescue Kim Dokja? At the end of the day, isn’t he just another Constellation you hate so much?] --- “He, the ‘Demon King of Salvation’, might be a Constellation, but... -- That ‘Kim Dokja’... He isn’t a Constellation. No, he’s simply a human.” (chapter 415)

And to match KDJ understanding that YJH isn’t a character, we have YJH realising that KDJ is just human. It’s so simple yet means so much. The whole fight between YJH and SP is a wonder to read, like YJH’s devotion to KDJ, the length he is willing to go to save him, the way he also at one point used KDJ’s own words from their re-introduction above to describe him to the SP whilst adding his own explanations of why KDJ is so precious to them all. I’m crying.

9. Just... every soft and quiet moment between these two

I sneakily averted my gaze and began chowing the dumplings as well ... If I used the [Omniscient Reader’s Viewpoint] here, I might have heard something more entertaining just now, but well, I swore not to use that anymore, so... “...It’s not that bad, I suppose,” I heard Yoo Joonghyuk’s nearly-inaudible muttering and quietly looked up at the sky.

The stars of the night sky sparkled as they looked down at us, as if the destruction of the worlds was a story belonging to a distant realm. While chewing the dumpling, I began thinking this for the first time. That I wouldn’t have minded this story going on for a little while longer. (chapter 429)

There are so many quiet moments that I just absolutely adore - their first talk on the rooftop at the beginning of the story, in the Demon Realm when they had a proper conversation for the first time over a cup of tea, the aftermath of the Proof of the Stars scenario when they just lay on the floor exhausted and content, confident in being companions instead of betrayer and betrayed.

But if i had to pick just one to make the cut for this list, it would be this scene when they were re-enacting the Journey to the West. Same scenario where KDJ is technically still in disguise but we now know that the others were aware of who it really was all along, and YJH never hesitated to treat KDJ’s wounds with the most valuable potions. I love how YJH always seems like such a down-to-Earth guy whenever he’s just eating his favourite dumplings. I love how KDJ is sticking to his resolution not to treat YJH as a character by using the skill. I love how the first time KDJ is content just living in the present is at this so ordinary moment, standing next to YJH.

10. The World of Zero

“The world that I designed. the one that Yoo Joonghyuk brought to reality. The 0th turn’s story, completed in this manner. “Sometimes, this peace feels like an illusion... And every now and then, I get the feeling that my life has been completed by someone else.” [Constellation ‘Demon King of Salvation’ is...]

“I didn’t mean to say I’m unhappy,” Yoo Joonghyuk smiled faintly. I dazedly stared at him for a moment there, having finally learned that he was capable of such a smile. --- “Tell me, you fool. If I continue to regress, will I ever get to meet you again?” (chapter 524)

The cause of my suffering. The reason for my sleepless nights. The origin of my tears. I just can’t get over it, the way that KDJ and YJH are made for each other, both narratively and symbolically. YJH was created for KDJ to help him live, but YJH the regressor as we know him wouldn’t exist in the first place without KDJ being destined to be his sponsor and keeping the story alive as the Oldest Dream. It comes full circle, the one wouldn’t exist without the other, this is some actual soulmate material. And YJH choosing to regress after a completely succesful round and fulfilling life, just to meet his Demon King of Salvation (WHICH HE DOES, AFTER 1864 ROUNDS. THAT’S ONE THOUSAND EIGHT HUNDRED SIXTY FIVE LIFETIMES, JUST TO MEET ONE PERSON)

Literally no reincarnation story of several millennia could compare to the catharsis of reading the ORV epilogue for the first time and realising it took KDJ and YJH 1865 entire lives to meet face to face, and i’m telling you reincarnation AUs are the one thing i am the weakest for ever since i watched my first low budget C-drama on VHS tape back in 2009. Thank you for coming to my ted talk.

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aHHHHHHHHHH OMG ;; thank you for translating this poem!! it sounds so pretty and the painnnn 🥲

大堤曲 - Song of the embankments

by 李白 (Li Bai, 701 - 762)

汉水临襄阳花开大堤暖 hànshuǐ lín xiāngyáng huā kāi dàdī nuǎn Where the Han River nears the city of Xiangyang, flowers bloom on warm embankments.

佳期大堤下泪向南云满 jiāqí dàdī xià lèi xiàng nán yún mǎn Remembering joyous days by the embankments, clouds to the North are obscured by tears.

春风复无情吹我梦魂散 chūnfēng fù wú qíng chuī wǒ mèng hún sàn The Spring breeze now unfeeling and cold, scatters my wandering soul’s sweet dreams.

不见眼中人天长音信断 bù jiàn yǎn zhōng rén tiān cháng yīnxìn duàn The person in my eyes, no longer seen; the heavens are so wide, my letters never reach.

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「 “…That person is my companion.” 」

Kinda inspired by @dicennio

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a running theme, in lhjc:

“神明不过人寄托而已。” 盛灵渊顿了顿，过了好一会，他又轻声说，“我么？我大概是人的妄念吧.” // “Gods are merely where humans place their trust, nothing more.” Sheng Lingyuan paused for a long moment, then said softly, “I? Say perhaps that I am humans’ foolish notion”

(ch 8)

天神只会作为牺牲，让群魔分而食之。能镇压群魔的，只有更凶狠的恶魔吗？// Gods could only serve as sacrifices, for demons to divide and consume. The only way to suppress demons was with demons of greater evil and malice?

(ch 19)

背叛祖训的人，不再受山神的庇佑。神明将与泥塑共朽，也或者，人们所信奉的，本‌来就是痴妄。// One who betrayed their ancestors’ teachings could no more receive the blessings of the mountain gods. The gods would decay with their vessels of clay, or perhaps whatever faith people placed in them, at their base they were just foolish delusions.

(ch 29)

赤渊每动荡一次，就有一枚封火令粉身‌碎骨将其镇住，如果这也能叫一“族”…… 那‌么守火人一族，就是他亲手‌做出来的、诞生就是为了牺牲的祭品。难怪死‌都不让他安 // every time Chiyuan trembled, one of these seals would shatter itself to subdue it. If this could be called a ‘race’… Then the fire guardian race was created by his own hand, born only to be sacrificed as offerings.

(ch 35)

不过他呢，一把刀而已。// But him? He is a blade, nothing more.

(ch 62)

假如朱雀骨天生注定了要粉身碎骨，那么它为什么要生出灵智？为什么要有自我意识？难道就为了殉职的时候体会一次灭顶的痛苦，给这场殉葬增加一点‌无‌关紧要的悲壮？他存在的意义是什么 // If the fate of a Zhuque bone [seal] was to shatter, then why would it give rise to consciousness? Why have self-awareness? Merely for the purpose of experiencing the pain of being extinguished when it came time to die in the line of duty, to give this sacrificial burial some added pointless tragedy? What was the meaning of his existence?

(ch 64)

太‌多绝望的人和疯狂的人，这些人抱着死婴、拖着残躯，��须要靠一个念想才能‌活下去。丹离他‌们这是造了一个活生生的“念想”，将一个孩子架在神坛上。可神坛……不就是祭坛吗？// Too many people, desperate and mad, holding their dead infants, dragging their broken bodies, needed to depend on a cherished notion in order to go on living. Dan Li and his faction made this living ‘notion’, placing a child on an altar of worship. But an altar of worship… was that not just an altar for sacrifice?

(ch 66)

就因‌为他在不巧的时候，托生在不巧的肚子里，就必须得将每滴血、每寸魂都刮下来，献上祭台，度这些人平安? // Just because at the wrong time he was born from the wrong womb, he had to take every drop of blood, scrape off every fragment of soul, and offer them on a sacrificial altar to keep these people safe?

(ch 84)

他曾是受万民供奉、享无尽香火的神像，经年日久，生了‌神与灵。可是世间没有白享的香火，神龛是要代替造神的人‌，餍足群魔的。 // Once he was a divine statue that accepted the worship of many and enjoyed countless offerings of incense, over time giving rise to divinity and spirit. But in this world no incense is enjoyed for nothing; shrines are to take the place of the person who created the god, to satisfy the demons.

(ch 89)

just the way this story plays with the question, across so many characters and in so many variations, of

if you create something so that it can do what you cannot, hold the hope you so desperately need, slay the demons you cannot face, accomplish the tasks you cannot endure, bear on its blade or its hands the blood you cannot spill, can save you from chaos and strife and your own fears…

if you create such a thing and call it a god or a weapon or a tool or a monster, and set it on that path towards its (your) purpose…

if you do all this, but the thing you have created is perhaps not a thing after all but a being, a self, with its own mind and thought and ability to feel pain, to experience and act; the ability to choose but the awareness written into its existence of the purpose for which it was created, and thus the knowledge that to choose would mean to betray, but to fulfill would mean to bleed…

if you forge a sacrifice whose fate is to shatter, but first to know life…

what, then, is it? what, then, are you? how, then, do you distinguish between loyalty and betrayal, deliverance and atrocity?

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回眸 - Look Back

by 席慕容 (Xi Murong, 1943 - present)

a quick translation for @rainandginkgo

佛说：前世的五百次回眸才能换得今生的一次擦肩而过，[1] Buddha said: It takes five hundred backwards glances in a previous life to exchange for one instance of shoulders brushing past this lifetime.

那么，我要用多少次回眸才能真正住进你的心中？ Well then, how many backwards glances must I use to truly make a home in your heart?

前世我频频回眸 That previous life, I glanced back again and again.

挥别的手帕飘成一朵云 [2] The handkerchief waved in farewell rose, drifting, becoming a cloud plume.

多少相思多少离愁 The more I think of you, the more our parting grieves me,

终成一道水痕送我远走 [3] until it becomes a swathe of dampness, sending me off on my journey afar.

今生我寻觅前世失落的足迹 This lifetime, I search for those footsteps that were lost,

跋山涉水走进你的眼 [4] over mountains, fording streams, walking into your sight.

前世的五百次回眸换得今生的一次擦肩而过 The five hundred backwards glances of a previous life exchanged for one instance of our shoulders brushing past this time.

我用一千次回眸换得今生在你面前的驻足停留 I’ve used a thousand backwards glances to trade for a pause in my steps before you this lifetime;

问佛要多少次回眸才能真正住进你的心中 I ask Buddha, how many times must I glance back to truly make a home in your heart.

佛无语我只有频频回首 Buddha does not speak; I can only glance back again and again,

像飞蛾扑向火 like a moth throwing itself toward the flame,

可以不计后果可以不要理由 refusing to care about consequences, refusing all logic and reason.

回眸再回眸 Glance back, and again, glance back.

千次万次你在我眼中也在我心中 A thousand times, ten thousand times, you are in my eyes and in my heart too.

我频频回顾着期待你的温柔 Again and again, I look back, anticipating your gentle tenderness.

我频频回顾着渴望长相厮守 [5] Again and again, I look back, thirsting for an everlasting companionship.

前世我在舟中回眸 In that previous life, upon that little boat, I glanced back.

莲叶一片一片连成我眼中的哀愁 [6] Lotus leaf after lotus leaf join up, up into the despairing sorrow within my eyes.

今生佛成全我的思念 This lifetime, Buddha has satisfied my yearning,

让我走进你的眼中 allowing me to walk into your sights.

我寻觅了很久累了 I’ve searched and searched for a long time, and being tired, I

只想在你怀中停息 just want to stop and rest in your embrace,

只想让你的手揩去我脸上的泪痕 just want to have you wipe away the tear tracks on my face with your hand,

只想让你的体温温暖我冰凉的双手 just want to have the heat of your body gradually warm my ice-cold hands.

不要问我为何今生千里迢迢将你寻觅 Don’t ask me why I’ve traveled so very far to find you in this lifetime.

我没有喝孟婆汤心中牵挂着你 [7] I did not drink Old Lady Meng’s Soup; in my heart I could not let go of you.

不要问我为何哭泣 Don’t ask me why I cry.

我没有喝孟婆汤仍记得前世离别时心底的绝望 I did not drink Old Lady Meng’s Soup; I still remember the despair in the deepest depths of my heart in that previous life when we had to part.

说我喜极而泣吧 Let’s just say I’m crying tears of joy, hey.

泪落在你的襟上 The tears land on your collar.

前世的种种哀愁开成一树繁密的丁香 [8] All the various sorrows from that previous lifetime have bloomed into a tree dense with lilac flowers.

我只想与你携手在树下看那一朵开成五瓣向我们预言幸福 I only wish to hold your hand beneath the tree and watch that single blossom unfurl its five petals, foretelling our bliss and happiness.

今生我仍旧频频回望 This lifetime, I still glance back again and again.

今生我仍旧不喝孟婆汤 This lifetime, I still do not drink Old Lady Meng’s Tea.

来世我还会千里迢迢将你寻觅 In the next life, I shall still journey far to find you again.

来世我还会和你手牵手寻找五瓣的丁香 In the next life, hand in hand, we shall look for that five-petaled lilac.

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“If I can choose my way to die,

If I can have a wish,

If I am going to be killed,

I want Noé to do it.”

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Zanghaihua C10 - The Limit of the World

Unlike last time, this is not clickbait. Read here (good ol imgur + cubari duo from when mangadex was down).

As always, if you want to work on this and have experience with either CL/RD or TS, please please shoot me a message. Actually a proofreader would be nice too, but I’m probably in greater need of cleaners and typesetters.

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i'm gonna add a bit. as far as i know, zhang rishan isn't a book character, i read somewhere that it was actually xiaoge in disguise (so take it with a grain of salt). but we know that zhang qishan has a lieutenant/right man in the book. and zhang rishan's role in sha hai is actually xiaohua's role in the book.

why zhang qiling, our xiaoge, has longevity? bc he has the strongest blood in his generation, thats why hes given the position as zhang qiling.

and why zhang rishan has longevity while zhang qishan actually dies earlier? the theory i have read so far is bc; zhang qishan's is a mix, his father is a zhang but his mother comes from outside the zhang. that's why his blood isnt pure. and for zhang rishan, we can guess that he's a pure zhang, that's why he can have that longevity. it's actually quite interesting and contradicting, bc we all know baima (xiaoge's mother) comes outside the zhang family, but it also implies (another theory) that xiaoge's mother actually is the reason why xiaoge's blood can be so strong, she's a priestess.

and because of zhang qishan's father marries to someone outside the zhang, hes expelled from the main family (aka the northern zhang). thats why zhang qishan has power in changsha and thats why he has qiongqi tattoo (and the zhang in changsha has very limited information about the main family).

So why do Zhang Qiling, Zhang Rishan, and Hei Yanjing all have high ages on your guide? I've only seen one show so far but I was just wondering why those three are old but the others aren't?

In Ultimate Note, Hei Yanjing implies heavily (and in a couple different places) that he was with a group exploring a tomb I think specifically tied to the Queen of the West and they found/ate those immortality pills (I forgot the name for them he gave).

He also kind of hints that the others went insane like the people from the Parcel Island Expedition and for whatever reason he did not (but IDK if his eyesight thing was happening before or after he became semi-immortal so maybe he survived but that was the cost, but also in Tomb of the Sea he says he knew he was going to lose his eyesight and taught himself certain things while he could still see to make it easier on himself later).

As for Zhang Rishan and Zhang Qiling- they’re related. Back in the late 1800s the Zhang clan was weakening, so they split in half with the Qiling group (considered the main line) hanging more in the north and the Qiongqi-tattoo group in the south. That’s why I call them cousins, they’re from opposite sides of that family split. Hell, they could be uncle and nephew for all I know.

Anyways

According to the mythology within Ultimate Note and Tomb of the Sea // Sand Sea, the main ancestor of the Wang family (was he an emperor?) thought he found the secret to immortality. He drank a potion and sealed himself in stone, and also sealed a baby in stone (Tomb of the Sea said it was his son but I think Ultimate Note just said some baby).

3,000 years passed, and the entire idea was that after that point in time they could break the stones and the Wang patriarch would be in the body of this immortal baby (but if the baby was truly immortal how did he expect to grow up? IDK I was confused by that point).

Anyways, what happened when they broke the stone was that the Wang patriarch was just normal but that CHILD became some form of immortal.

The child being the patriarch of the Zhang Clan.

So Zhang Qiling and Zhang Rishan are both descended from that child. Considering where the show leans in to mythology rather than trying to explain everything scientifically, I think that’s what the firm answer was. That the Zhang patriarch was experimented on by this evil Wang dude (emperor or king?) and all of his descendants are therefore gifted unspecified long lives.

Hell, for all I know that ancient Zhang patriarch was Xiao Ge’s grandpa. I think I’ve heard the book gets more specific as to Xiao Ge’s age and the overall Zhang life expectancy, but the shows aren’t when it comes to Xiao Ge to keep that air of mystery.

In Ultimate Note, Zhang Rishan was playing with his skin and a magnifier glass and said his skin was getting loose so he must be getting old, but he knew the two women were listening in on him. Like the whole point was they were listening and he was showing them what to do (AKA nothing), so I don’t take that as any genuine indication of Zhang life expectancy.

Plus like, they’re not only marrying/reproducing with other Zhang obviously, so does the normal person blood start watering down the immortality or does that override everything automatically?

TL;DR:: Dumbass (Hei Yanjing) stuck something in his mouth and the Zhangs are just like that

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