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Can't believe they robbed this from us 😔

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ngl i dont hate any of the dunmeshi characters. obviously not toshiro or kabru like 2/3rds of white anime onlys right now 💀 but not thistle or the winged lion either. like some r obvious actual villains but i think everyones perspectives are somewhat reasonable u just have to give them all consideration. really masterful storytelling by ryoko kui and why dungeon meshi is as texturally rich as it is

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Kabru's mind after Laios offers him the harpy tamagoyaki

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just finished episode 11 and oh my fucking god the ENDING.

the horror of digging through a dragon pellet for your friends bones. And you find thier staff and then thier Skull

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social anxiety + avoidance + autism "fluttershy" type toshiro "shuro" nakamoto V.S THEE INFODUMPER autism "pinkie pie / twilight sparkle" type laios touden

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somebody probably already made this joke. whatever

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My take on the Toshiro/ Laios fight

I just wanna share my opinions bc I see a lot of people here boiling it down to oh Toshiro (bc that’s his name btw not Shuro) big meanie and neurotypical hates Laios bc he’s autistic, which completely decontextualises the fight and Toshiro’s background.

Yes, I understand why people are pissed at Toshiro ,and as an autistic person who’s been alienated my whole life what he said to Laios did hit very hard, at first I was pissed too so don’t mistake me as someone completely siding with one or the other.

Also I’m a firm believer that Toshiro is autistic as well FIGHT ME.

Toshiro is first of all very sleep deprived, hasn’t eaten, and shocked not only from seeing Falin turned into a chimera but also discovering that her brother allowed dark magic to be used on her; Toshiro grew up in country with different social norms, AND in a very strict household with a not so nice father, he was taught since his childhood to suppress his emotions (mask) and not complain. This means that he will not complain about something until he has had enough and his frustration spills out unhealthily.

Toshiro ever since joining the group has been called Shuro by Laios even tho that’s not his name, and never knew how to deal with Laios’ excitement towards him (bc again he was taught to suppress his feelings).

Laios on the other hand almost does not mask at all! (Which good for him honestly) and yes he is socially awkward and has bad timing but guess what TOSHIRO IS ALSO LIKE THIS (he literally proposed to Falin after not even telling her that he likes her) Toshiro sees himself in Laios but also sees Laios as all those things he was taught were WRONG; at the end of the fight Toshiro realised he was ENVIOUS of Laios, and I feel like people blatantly ignore it.

This is also connected imo on why he “hated” Laios but fell in love with Falin even though they have similar traits (I wanna make this point clear also bc I see a lot of people treating Laios and Falin like they’re the same person, they’re not) , Falin, like Toshiro, is way more reserved and imo he projected a lot of himself on her.

Now onto the other side, Laios is right, Toshiro should’ve told him more clearly that he thought he was annoying and interrupting him and Falin a lot of the time, bc Laios had no way of knowing as he cannot read Toshiro’s mind. And that’s just the truth.

So in conclusion what I mean to say is that yes Toshiro was mean to Laios during that fight , but the argument was so much more nuanced than how some of the readers interpreted it. It’s ok to recognise that Laios also made mistakes and we know he is extremely intelligent, let’s not dumb him down for the sake of the argument.

And saying that you want Toshiro dead over this is a bit extreme😭 and I say it as someone who got the Laios treatment multiple times.

That’s all, thank you for reading🌷

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Excerpts from me eating a weed brownie and love texting the newest Dungeon Meshi episode (I’ve already read the manga)

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Kuro has HUMAN feet??? This is NOT what I meant when I said put them dogs away

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the laios/toshiro conflict is super well written ("let's honor falin's death" vs "i will stop at nothing to bring her back"). but also it's so fucking funny that this happens amidst the sudden reveal that your extremely beloved autistic main character has been slowly driving an asian man nuts through microaggressions.

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I question the media literacy of anyone who thinks marcille from dungeon meshi is straight

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Shuro’s status of nobility has been brought up a few times when discussing his fight with Laios. I’m sure there’s credibility to the argument but the way it’s been used makes me go, “huh??”

I’ve seen his upbringing used in a negative context, usually to flatten his reasons for fighting with Laios. “oh he’s used to people listening to him so he’s never met anyone who doesn’t do exactly what he says” or “he’s never been exposed to anyone new or any new perspectives and that’s why he hated Laios”. I don’t think these opinions are salient in fan spaces but I saw it enough times I wanted to talk about it.

I feel like we just, forgot that Toshiro is a foreigner? The only poc in the party? And never interacted with gnomes, dwarves, and halffoots since they don’t live in the east? (well, the last point depends on how much you’ve seen from the Adventurer’s Bible)

Compared to everyone else, he probably had the MOST exposure to new people and experiences. And yet he was able to, best he can, quickly assimilate and harmonize with everyone in his new party. Regardless of what he thought about them, it seemed everyone else thought he was amicable. As a poc (and East Asian specifically), that’s mission accomplished.

With all that effort into making himself culturally digestible, it’s no wonder he resented/envied Laios. He put in all this effort to learn their status quo, to not offend the new people he’s meeting, only for Laios to not give him the same consideration. Both of them were socially inept in some way, but only one of them felt the need to do something about it. It’s important to note that their fight was a turning point for Laios too - he realize he had to be more aware and present for his team.

So Toshiro didn’t want to say no outright because it might set back the bonds he’s trying to form. Confrontation is hard, confrontation in a new country is harder. He settles for “close enough” because hey, it’s not that big of a deal. Their opinion of me is way more important than obtaining respect for myself. I’m the foreigner. This has the consequence of making him a pushover, but I digress. He seems to identify himself more as a foreigner than nobility.

And that had to do with separating his identity! The identify he has at his house was kept VERY separate from the one he has with Laios and co. He doesn’t want Laios’ party to know that he is nobility. He doesn’t even care that they call him by “first name”, albeit butchered. He never mentioned the retainers to them (since Chilchuck had to ask who they were).

The retainers are people he’d rather keep at a distance due to their connection with his dad. This might be why he joined Laios’ party solo given the opportunity. But as we see in the image below, they followed him into the dungeon ANYWAYS. You can’t convince me he wanted them to do that. They watch from a distance, disregarding Toshiro’s independence. They don’t always listen to him, they do what they think is best for him, which means they actually follow MAIZURU. To her, his status as their young master is very important, and therefore he needs to be waited on hand and foot. It’s not that he’s used to people doing stuff for him, it’s moreso Maizuru does it regardless.

What drives both identities is an inability to assert himself. He don’t think highly of himself (living under his father’s shadow) and it shows in how people treat him. With Laios and others, he had the opportunity to shape a new identity, but because Laios was the one that introduced him, he and everyone else just accepted the misconceptions. I’m sure Toshiro noted his surprisingly strong influence on his team, something he hasn’t achieved.

With his retainers and Maizuru specifically, she doesn’t put faith in his decisions. She tsked at the fact they went to save Falin, but obeyed anyways because he’s never asserted himself before. (Reminder that assertion is him on his knees requesting their help - the hierarchy of his upbringing does not feel ingrained in him. Giving me overly respectful and considerate vibes, the silly guy)

So he CAN do it! He CAN shape how people see him if he is able to open up a bit more. Rather than his nobility, it’s moreso that he’s never trusted anyone to open up to in the first place. He doesn’t fit in back home. He’s distant from Maizuru, he’s distant from Hien. He’s distant from his brothers and parents. He basically never had friends until Laios. This is his first friend too!!!

He finally opened up to him, and that’s going to pave the way for his character development in the future. He now has someone he can trust, someone to put his faith in, and someone to teach him how to communicate better. By airing his resentment, now all that’s left is that envy/admiration. He’s going to learn from that.

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i saw someone else do this so

senshi and chilchuck ponies

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All the people calling shuro “coward” for leaving the dungeon: no!!! i don’t think he is being cowardly at all in any sense. He was making the hard but ultimately right decision for his whole parties sake. he realized he was pushing himself too hard, but more importantly he was making his retainers/family experience horrors and death in the dungeon trying to save falin. Literally risking all their lives. He realized he was doing a disservice to his group and putting them all in danger. In laios’ party they are all there because they want to be in the dungeon, but Toshiro’s retainers are just doing what he wants, he is asking them to go into the dungeon as a personal favor, and realizes he shouldn’t keep endangering them all. I don’t think that’s cowardly, that’s actually very prescient of him and caring towards his family. It’s genuinely bugging me to see people characterize him like that when he’s being selfless instead of selfishly obsessing over falin and risking everyone’s lives to go deeper into the dungeon. They’re already doing him a favor by putting their lives on the line. And, I think him leaving the dungeon also shows his trust towards laios and towards laios’ whole team even if he was mortified at marcille he trusts that between her and laios they really will go to any means to save falin. Best thing he does is fall back and provide laios with his support, which is a very big and brave thing to do after laios just kicked his ass while yapping about monsters. TOSHIRO IS A GOOD GUY WHO IS SHOWING HIS TRUST IN LAIOS IN HIS OWN WAY!!!! The boys just had to wrassle to really work their feelings out lol. And I also think that was brave too to finally speak his feelings!! Good for him!!!!

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Bleeding heart dove

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is wet&wild liquid eyeliner part of the male dungeongoer starter kit or something