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54 Tetrads (Part 2 - The First Nine)

While in the first part, I described a way of producing 54 tetrads, I see 9 of them as more natural than the other 45. This is mostly because tritypes can be formed within them, and because I see the object-relations triads as weaker than the rest. Because of this, I see these tetrads as in a way the inverses of the type they're based on.

9: 1368 - Leaders, problem-solvers

1: 4789 - Chaotic, hedonistic

2: 3458 - Independent, self-contained

3: 2469 - Sensitive, people-oriented

4: 1237 - Externally-oriented, socially aware

5: 2678 - Expressive, impulsive

6: 3579 - Neutral, unopinionated

7: 1456 - Cynical, pessimistic

8: 1259 - Conflict-avoidant, unselfish

Each of these contains two tritypes, and each non-triple tritype is contained in one of these:

9: 136, 368

1: 478, 479

2: 358, 458

3: 269, 469

4: 127, 137

5: 268, 278

6: 359, 379

7: 145, 146

8: 125, 259

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54 Tetrads (Part 1 - Theory)

Each enneagram type is in four groups: centre, Hornevian, harmonic and OR.

However, each type is defined by any two of those, which gives you six possible pairs of triads that define each type (e.g. 1 is gut and compliant; gut and competency; gut and frustration; compliant and competency; compliant and frustration; and competency and frustration).

Now, when you take the enneagram and remove all types in any pair of triads that define a type, you get four remaining types (using 1 again, and specifically competency and compliant, that removes 1, 2, 3, 5 and 6, leaving 4, 7, 8 and 9).

These groups of four are the tetrads, and there are 54 of them, each providing a certain quality to the included types (I think this 4789 triad gives the types a hedonistic and somewhat chaotic aspect).

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Dear miss/mister,

On your post of Enneagram 2 (explanation alongside health levels), I am very thankful to you for making such work (which takes many hours and effort at that!). It took me a long time on the internet before I could find something that put almost everything together in a single recipient. Efficient to a Te, indeed.

Can I ask you if you have any post/sources regarding the development of a 2 (and if not, if there is the desire to write such post?) In the sense of: not the descriptions of how the type acts, but how to ‘climb the ladder’ and slowly progress into healthier levels?

Thank you in advance.

Kind regards,

Sabrina

Thanks for the compliment, but it's just nicked from an existing book by Riso and Hudson.

I'm not familiar with any sources about enneagram 2 growth.

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I'm feeling 6 and 8 activating recently over the Rammstein thing. I'm having to actively keep 8 under control (6 is less dangerous here).

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Quick point: I no longer endorse tritritype. It was an attempt to justify typing as a 5 when I wasn't a 5.

Subwings and ranges and tritritypes (oh my!)

Subwings

Subwings are a minor influence on each type. They pull the type towards either having balanced wings or heavy wings.

For example, I will use my own type: 5w4.

The 4w3 subwing, aka 5w4(sw4w3), has a strongly iconoclastic style and is very slightly 3ish. On EIDB, it was described as:

Most so-called iconoclasts aren’t real iconoclasts like I am.

The 6w5 subwing, aka 5w4(sw6w5) is more intellectual, with more of a 6ish style. On EIDB, it was:

Uncovering an insight that is counter to mainstream thinking makes me feel powerful.

Ranges

Ranges are an influence on the instincts, and come from Typewatch. There are 3 ranges to each type: strongside, midrange and weakside. Again, I will illustrate with my own type (sp/sx).

The strongside is very strong sp, weak sx and very weak so. It switches to so/sp to weaken sx.

The midrange is very strong sp, medium sx and very weak so. It switches equally between so/sp and sx/so.

The weakside is very strong sp, strong sx and very weak so. It switches to sx/so to strengthen sx.

Tritritypes

Tritritypes are 3 tritypes. I invented this theory. The tritypes in a tritritype are written with semicolons (;) between them. The rule is (again, using sp/sx):

sp/sx/so

sx/so/sp

so/sp/sx

And, yes, that means that strongsiders have a stronger 3rd tritype than their 2nd one.

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Attitudinal Psyche Extended Subtypes

Long AP post about subtypes, in which four new subtypes are developed.

To start with, I will need to describe the basics of subtypes. Subtypes are an overlay on a position that either accentuates or neutralises the position’s attributes. For example, 1X-3 accentuates Xo-, while neutralising Xs+ and Xp-. It is still Xs+ and Xp-, but weakly so, while it is extremely strongly Xo-.

The existing four positions have the following attributes:

1X: Xs+ Xo- Xp-

2X: Xs+ Xo+ Xp+

3X: Xs- Xo- Xp+

4X: Xs- Xo+ Xp-

Then, the 0 subtype was developed, that neutralises everything. But this does not correspond to a position, and so it allows for the possibility of the other pseudo-positions being used as overlays to create new subtypes.

0 is also similar to A in that it adjusts different positions in different ways. Just as 1X-A is more Xs+, while 4X-A is more Xs-, so is 2X-0 more Xo- and 3X-0 more Xo+.

So, to separate out the 0s and allow for two accentuated attributes, the following four subtypes are added.

“5X”: Xs+ Xo- Xp+

“6X”: Xs+ Xo+ Xp-

“7X”: Xs- Xo- Xp-

“8X”: Xs- Xo+ Xp+

To clarify, while these resemble positions, they aren’t, they’re just described similarly. Despite this fact, I will describe them as such in order to avoid having to separate out the actual position (that is, 1X-5 is very different to 4X-5).

1X-8, 2X-7, 3X-6 and 4X-5 are the existing -0 subtypes, but there are new possibilities.

In general, 5 is a strongly emphasised focus. As the opposite of 4, this is something you are likely to actively focus on, while seeing yourself as the main authority. 1/2/3L-5 is known for its argumentativeness.

6 is calm and confident, with a sense that everyone is good at it, it doesn’t need discussing too much, and it’s sort of the baseline. You’re not going to hold yourself up as the only expert.

7 is maximally avoided. It really shouldn’t exist, you don’t want help with it, you don’t want to bother with it, you just want it to go away. It’s the greatest weakness.

8 is a relaxed area for discussion, which can be interesting, but it is not an area in which you want to have to take any degree of control. It is probably the most dependent area.

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Could you tell me what book your enneagram

descriptions came from? I have a photo copy of page 350 describing how wonderful 9s can be but I would really like to be able to read about the other enneagrams. If you could give me the author's name and book title it will end my long running search.

Thank you very much.

Chris Asbury 9w1

[email protected]

Riso and Hudson - Personality Types.

I've got 9 through 6 up, keep forgetting to do 7 and 8, mostly because I've found the entire book through less than legitimate means.

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ARE UNHEALTHY ONES, THE ONLY TYPES THAT WILL DISINTEGRATE TO THE POINT OF EXTREME VIOLENCE?

WHAT CHARACTERISTICS DO THEY MONOPOLIZE THAT LEND TO SUCH EXTREMES?

No. 1, 2, 4, 6, 7 and 8 are all fairly likely to be violent. Not sure 5 or 9 are, they usually disintegrate into inaction. While Riso and Hudson say 3 does, I'm not sure I agree.

The important bit about the whole "Punitive Avenger" thing is that it's unhealthy 1s enforcing their morality on the world. If I had to type my idea of an avenger, I'd go for a fairly unhealthy cp6.

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Yeah, this is more like "14 of the types as symbols, because we forgot the rational NTs and swapped the sensors around".

Here's INTP and ENTJ.

The 16 Types as Symbols

Follow me on Instagram, Facebook, Twitter, YouTube and everything else @mbtitime and @typefy

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People have said this about practically every single enneagram type. And the connection between autism and unloving mothers is pretty much debunked.

Enneagram and Autism

A lot of autistic behaviours are describing the Withdrawn triad, verbatim. What enneagrammers call the "Withdrawn triad", psychologists call "autism". This is especially true for high-functioning autism.

The type which overlaps THE MOST with autism, I believe, is sp9.

This isn't to say all autistics are sp9s, or that all sp9s are autistic, but that you cannot find an sp9 in the world who isn't at least somewhat suspect for autism.

The ritualistic behaviour and preference for objects / things over people, believed to originate from early childhood neglect. I read a Wikipedia article once which described how *insert list of sp9 behaviours* is caused by unloving mothers. Very interesting and relevant to me, to say the least...

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Hot take: I think we've got type 1 wrong, at the very least since Naranjo, and I even think back with Ichazo.

1 is the gut type with heart influence and head last. That is, a basically impulse-driven type that does what's right rather than merely focusing on what works (think Honor Before Reason).

This is not some repressed perfectionist, much less a moral philosopher, but a brash, impulsive hero. Less xSTJ, more ESFP.

1 vs 8 then becomes your classic hero vs villain dynamic, the 8 planning and doing what works, the 1 reacting and doing what's right.

I'm not sure where the repressed perfectionist goes (they could be a dysfunctional 1), but the type that wants to live by a moral code is 6.

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Time to do another 6ish type swap, but this feels a bit more solid.

6w7-3w4-1w2 sx/so -> 6w7-3w4-8w9 so/sx.

I've noticed that I have a distinct tendency to switch off and shut down when I'm understimulated, which is 9ish, but I don't have the positivity or conflict-avoidance of a 9, which makes me think the 9 is a wing of something else, and I think that something else is 8 given that it's about a constant need for activity and stimulation (that is, lust rather than wrath).

I'm also far more people-oriented than I thought. sx-first seems less likely with an 8 fix than a 1 fix, because sx + 8 is a lot more confident and active in that area than I am. However, social first with sexual second works pretty well, except that my sx is not as comfortable as second instincts often are. But my sp is a disaster, and not the kind I often stress about unless it hits something else, so I have to be sx second. It also makes sense in general.

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Yeowch, I'm feeling called the fuck out here.

What's my type?? The 6's Failure to Land

I am here today to talk about the 6’s failure to land. You can tell a 6 at a glance because it’s the only type who changes their social stacking, their wing, or their tritype on a regular basis. Each time, they are fully convinced of being right, absolutely sure in their assertion of being whatever they land on, and yet the process of self-examination starts over in a few days and within a week,…

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If you find that out, I could do with the info.

7s are next level with the hyperactivity like. they dont sleep. ive met many 5s who have insomnia which is probably coming from the 7 line. 7s straight up dont sleep because theyre always doing stuff. IDK how you manage to be any sort of head type without exploding

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Elon Musk is providing a very good example of how 2D functions can be absolutely pathetic.

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So nerdy 3s often don't want to be 3s because they're seen as insufficiently nerdy, right?

Well, AI is plenty nerdy. It is some of the most modern tech around. And it is basically artificial 3.