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It's hypocritical of Zionists to accuse Palestine supporters of antisemitism when I have LITERALLY SEEN more antisemitism from Zionists compared to Palestine supporters.
Zionists: Being against Zionism is antisemitism! You're denying the Jews the rights to their homeland!
Anti-Zionist Jews: The genocide of Palestinians isn't okay, and Zionism is causing the genocide of Palestinians.
Zionists: GRRRRR YOU AREN'T A REAL JEW! YOU'RE A NAZI IN DISGUISE! šŸ˜”šŸ˜”šŸ˜”
The amount of times I seen Zionists tell anti-Zionist Jews that they aren't actually Jewish is insane, this applies to online and IRL.
Just yesterday someone said to my friend that they're a "Self-hating Jew". (What???)
Apparently being against genocide and colonialism means that person isn't actually a part of that religion now. šŸ™„
Zionists claim that they support Jews, that is, until they don't support Zionism, then they (Zionists) go to scream at them about how they aren't actually Jewish and use the most antisemitic language known to man. šŸ¤¦
So tell me, who are the real hypocrites here? The Zionists, or the anti-Zionist Jews?
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So I just saw a post by a random personal blog that said ā€œdonā€™t follow me if we never even had a conversation beforeā€ and?????? Not to be rude but literally what the fuck??????????
Iā€™ve had people (non-pornbots) try to strike conversation out of nowhere in my DMs recently, and now Iā€™m wondering if they were doing that because they wanted to follow me and thought they needed to interact first. I feel compelled to say, just in case, that itā€™s totally okay to follow this blog (or my side blog, for that matter) even if weā€™ve never talked before.
Also, Iā€™m legit confused. Is this how follow culture works right now? It was worded like itā€™s common sense but is that really a thing?
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chinesegal Ā· 2 days
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actually, hygiene had little to do with the plague. Bathing was normal and common in the middle ages and evidence shows that the Jewish communities and middle east were affected just as much.
My favourite part about the Black Death is that all of Europe were facing social collapse, and then you had a Jewish community in the middle of Poland living in prosperity, who kept away from the city wells and always observed proper cleanliness, so they were effectively immune to the plague
The Catholic Church did not like that, of course
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chinesegal Ā· 4 days
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Pov you've never interacted with land back as a concept before October lol
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How to spot Liberal Zionist Propaganda 101
This post is by no means exhaustive at all. There are many Liberal Zionist talking points but these are just some of the most common ones. While on the surface they seem a little naive and hopeful at best, they are very much harmful. If you claim to be an ally to Palestinians, this post is primarily for you!
For starters, liberal Zionists will often try to both-sides the issue of Palestine, talk about how it's complicated, they'll claim that the conflict hurts both Israelis and Palestinians, how the only way forward is one where Jews and Arabs "just need to get along," amongst other things. They also often like to centre themselves, even when acknowledging Palestinians as the victims of Israel or this "conflict." From time to time, they also like to engage in tokenising certain Palestinians whose views tend to more or less align with theirs. Here are some common arguments you may hear from them:
1. Any form of justifying Israel's existence or claiming that the only solution is two states
It does not really need to be said why justifying Israel's existence is harmful but justifying its continued existence also means legitimising Israel's land theft, its expulsions of Palestinians, and its ongoing harm to Palestinians and other populations. Reducing any sorts of ā€œsolutionsā€ into a binary is unhelpful. Needless to say, a 2ss would not even address any legitimate concerns Palestinian have, such as the right of return, and would only legitimise Israelā€™s colonialism. Talking about a two-state solution also implies that the root of the conflict lies in Palestinians not having their own state rather than being an occupied people. It is very much also possible to construct a paradigm where Jews and Palestinians both live together on the same land as equal citizens that doesn't involve two separate states, much less an ethnostate.
2. Security for Israel could only come through peace
This is a similar talking point to the one above. Not only does it centre Israeli safety and security above Palestinian liberation but it mistakenly assumes that once Israel makes peace with Palestinians, it'll achieve security. The reality, however, is that Israel's imagined security has quite often come at the expense of peace. In fact, "peace" has just acted as nothing more than a smoke-screen for Israel to carry out its expansionist policies, particularly in the West Bank. When liberal Zionists talk about peace juxtaposed with Israeli security, they're talking about attaining a negative peace rather than a positive one.
3. Israelis are not their government.
This point does nothing to actually help Palestinians. It is also an incredibly tone-deaf thing to say when Israel has targeted many Palestinian civilians by having alleged proximity to Hamas, such as being family members of militants or leaders (inc. children!), civil servants in a Hamas-led government, or even any male above the age of 15 they consider to be a potential combatant! It also deliberately erases Israeli civilians' support of and culpability in Israel's actions towards Palestinians.
4. Netanyahu and/or the Israeli right are the source of conflict.
While it is true that things have gotten inadvertently worse under Israel's various right-wing governments, they are not the source of conflict, but rather a product of extremist nationalism and Jewish supremacy perpetuated by the system. Both the 1967 occupations and settlements were undertaken under centre-left governments in Israel, and Israeli policy under non-right wing governments has been just as harmful towards Palestinians and has paved the way for where we are today. Blaming Netanyahu just also obscures the violent nature of Israel's military occupation over Palestinians which long precede him coming into power.
5. Netanyahu and Hamas are two sides of the same coin
I don't think I've seen any allies give validity to this claim but it's an extremely reductionist claim and is sort of similar to the one above. Groups like Hamas are merely a response to the Israeli occupation while Netanyahu is a byproduct of it. While some Israelis may see Hamas or their actions as an "obstacle to peace," Israel's actions and policies long pre-date Hamas and how Israel is currently responding to Hamas is no different to how Israel has engaged with Palestinian militant groups in the past, regardless of political affiliations or political goals. It is also important to note that Hamas has agreed to the establishment of a state along 1967 borders while Netanyahu aims to prolong the occupation and empower the settler movement (some of whom are part of his coalition government) as much as possible.
6. Israel is not a settler-colonial state.
While it is indisputable that Jews have historical connections to Palestine, that doesnā€™t automatically make you Indigenous or negate Israeli settler-colonialism. Colonialism in particular describes a relationship of exploitation. There are many cases of this, but we most clearly see this in the West Bank where Israel exploits natural resources on occupied Palestinian territory for its own political and economic gains. In terms of settler-colonialism, it is widely known that Israel expelled hundreds of thousands of Palestinians to make way for Jewish refugees and migrants to the new state of Israel, and is still actively facilitating Jewish migration to Israel today while denying Palestinians their right of return.
7. (X) doesn't help Palestinians.
It is not up to anyone to determine whether certain tactics or strategies are helpful or not. This point only seeks to discredit pro-Palestine organising. Only Palestinians get to decide what is actually helpful for the cause or not.
8. Any sort of Hamas-blaming.
On the surface it may seem like thereā€™s nothing wrong with this, but this point is often harmful and usually lends itself to right-wing talking points because its objective is to deflect blame away from Israel. Certain arguments blaming Hamas also aim to minimise Palestinian suffering perpetuated by Israel. It also paints Israeli violence as retaliatory to Palestinian violence which only obfuscates Israelā€™s (and by extension, the USā€™) role in its state military apparatus and the differing power dynamics between Israelis and Palestinians. In other contexts, this point seeks to also legitimise certain opposition, such as the Palestinian Authority. Hamas-blaming also tends to sometimes lead to racist diatribes about Palestinians and their culture.
9. Al-Jazeera is not a credible news source.
Al Jazeera is a news source like any other. It has varying editorial policies and therefore will have equally good reporting on certain issues while having terrible reporting on others. The difference is that Al-Jazeera's news on Palestine is credible because it comes directly from their Palestinian reporters on the ground and first-hand eyewitness accounts. Western news sources are no more or less credible than al-Jazeera. Compare this to CNN, NYT, and any other Western news sources where Palestinian voices are often entirely missing from the narrative.
10. Overemphasis of antisemitism on the left
Antisemitism is a real issue and has the potential to fester in left circles if not directly addressed head on. Combatting antisemitism is extremely important, however, it is not an issue exclusive to the left. There is also a double standard in that no one expects Zionists to call out Islamophobia and anti-Palestinian racism. Certain accusations of "antisemitism" also seek to distract from what's going on in Palestine by making it about Jewish comfort and feelings. Combatting antisemitism, Islamophobia, anti-Arab racism etc is always important as the basis of good politics.
Last but not least, be wary of native collaborators or any sort of normalisers! They are Palestinians or Arabs who try very hard to appeal to Western liberal consensus and can end up perpetuating a lot of harm to the cause and/or other activists. You will know them when you see them.
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Oh hi, sorry to bother you again but I just realised something: I sent in the ask about Ahmed Fouad Alkhatib, and I only now came to think that that could be interpreted as me thinking every palestinian somehow knows what other palestinians think or something. And that is in no way what I was after. The point was something like... whether he's a known person in the palestinian diaspora or the pro-Palestine community on Turtle Island or smth? And if people have... idk, opinions about him or something , because I'd never heard of him before and the stuff he writes is just so... mindboggling. (just wanted to send in this for clarification, not expecting a reply because I know you have so much more important stuff on your mind)
Oh no worries I wasn't ignoring your last one I just didn't know how best to approach it. I totally got what you mean. But yeah I haven't heard of the guy before the past few months and the only time I see him is when he's shared by zionists. I don't see him shared by any Palestinians in Gaza, I don't see any Palestinians on turtle island share him, so I wouldn't put much stake in his words tbh. And I'm not saying this lightly, I was worried that saying something about him since he obviously has family in Gaza would be in poor taste, but all I can say is that he.... is not popular.
I posted about him before when some other Palestinians were passing his tweets around in a "get a load of this guy" kind of way (so not endorsing him). He also has worked for the US military+went to school there and I guess he's involved with weapons manufacturers in some way because he's "interested" in it, according to his linked in.
I genuinely can't tell you why he's doing all this. For some reason, he seems to think that we can protest hamas...? Even though, repeatedly, the only one that can make a ceasefire happen is Israel. He seems to want to force the "pro palestine" movement to protest hamas into giving back the hostages but like... idk if he understands how protesting works.
He calls it the "israel-palestine conflict" which, i cannot emphasize enough, no palestinian says in casual spaces. None of us say this. Literally the biggest tell that shows hes a collaborator. I've seen him publish straight up lies in his articles recently too. He's not very common or popular among Palestinians on Turtle Island, at least.
Also in a tweet he posted recently, he literally gave up the right of return and redefined it to only specific locations in Palestine, which Palestinians have been adamant that it is ALL of Palestine we are returning to.
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chinesegal Ā· 4 days
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Actually, doing some digging Ive found that the term "pinkwashing" was created by Israeli activists: https://muse.jhu.edu/pub/3/article/720059/summary#:~:text=As%20applied%20to%20anti%2DIsrael,the%20pretense%20that%20they%20were
"according to Aeyal Gross, Associate Professor of Law at Tel-Aviv University, the pinkwashing moniker actually originated in Israel in 2001 when leftwing queer activists created the group Black Laundry (Kvisa ShchoraĀ in Hebrew) to protest the Israeli Defense Forces' crackdown on Palestinians following the Second Intifada. After long struggles for LGBT equality in Israelā€”often against the determined opposition from the government and Orthodox Judaismā€”the right-wing government of Benjamin Netanyahu cynically appropriated LGBT rights to advance its own agendas against Iran and the Palestinian Territories at the United Nations."
I can't say much for everything else, but I still consider the website a good source for information when it comes to other stuff.
As for why it doesnt go into earlier history than the Ottomans; the history section isnt meant to be completely comprehensive, its supposed to give a brief overview of history in the region of Palestine from the recent past to today to introduce them to the present situation.
Decolonize Palestine is a terrible source that erases Jewish and Palestinian history
It's a propaganda site and I will explain/show why.
Disclaimer-I absolutely believe in and support Palestinian self determination just like I support Jewish self determination. What I don't support is propaganda. There's plenty of reputable sources out there that support Palestinian self determination. This is NOT one of them. Bad history only harms, never helps.
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Right here, we deal with loaded words-dismal world image. Already, you're being told Israel has a dismal world image. I actually don't know how Israel's world image is. I would image, like any other country, views will shift and change depending on what's happening. There's a conclusion drawn here though. It also sticks out because everything else is based on Palestine, but a sudden jab at Israel was placed here.
Let's talk about the rainbow washing and why that's a problem. First and foremost, Israel is the only nation I know of to receive this kind of criticism. In fact, it (pinkwashing) was actually specifically coined for Israel. It's extremely rare for any other country to have this levied at them.
On top of that issue, it also denies Israelis agency in their gov't and makes it seem like the gov't is just this faceless evil entity and that everything that changes for the better is suspect; not done because the Israelis there voted/protested/etc, but solely due to the gov't just allowing it so they can use it for nefarious ends. That's wildly antisemitic for various reasons and while I am focusing on pinkwashing, the same can be said of the other 'washings' Israel is accused of.
Honestly, 'washing' in general is more used against businesses as well. So there's also that factor to consider on why Israel is the top target by far for this (It's antisemitism-not a stretch for people to think Israel is a faceless evil looking to control the world to also think of it in a more monetary sense because Jewish people=money antisemitism at play).
It also tends to be highly generalized criticism with little to no additional research done into said issue.
The Palestine Through History section is...ahistorical.
It completely erases Ancient Israel and Judea. Indeed, there's no mention of these ancient kingdoms. It mentions Rome, Assyria, etc, but not anything involving the indigenous Israelites. This is flat out erasure.
It brings up the Peleset Tablet as proof. The group in question there is the Philistines. Who were they? People from the Aegean that came and settled into the southern Levant, and came into conflict with the indigenous people there-particularly the Israelites. They would later be completely assimilated into the Achaemenid Empire.
There's a massive jump to suddenly the Ottoman Empire. Wiki has at least a paragraph talking about the later periods. The periods skipped are the Hellenistic, Roman, Byzantine, Arab Conquest, Crusader, Ayyubid, Mamluk then the Ottoman Empire. That's a shitton of history to skip over. Important to note is that about a 100 years after Jesus Christ died, Rome got sick of the ancient Jews (the Kingdom of Israel having been destroyed by Assyria, leaving the Kingdom of Judea as the only surviving kingdom) telling them to fuck off and devastated the region. This forced many into exile when not put into slavery and those that were able to remain were forbidden from their most holy city/site-Jerusalem. The Romans also renamed Judea to Syria Palaestina. Palaestina being the Roman version of the name Philistines and done deliberately to try and erase Jewish people from their homeland. They were THAT PISSED at the Jewish people for their rebellions against Roman rule and wanted to praise the Greeks that aided in putting down the rebellion-remember the Philistines came from around Greece.
I cannot stress ENOUGH on how much erasure of Jewish history is in this section and on how they are trying to tie a group related to Ancient Greeks to modern day Palestine. It's a fictional narrative and it skips over the many different empires that took over the area, Christianization and Islamification and how those affected the peoples living there.
Hell, there's erasure of Palestinian history here too! So much of their own history was left out deliberately.
And yes, Palestinians are indigenous as well! Many are descended from other indigenous groups in the area and/or Jewish people that converted (willingly or not) to the point that on the genetic level, Israelis and Palestinians are kin.
To the shock of no one the Ottoman Section absolutely downplays the issues Jewish people had there.
The site erases Theodor Herzl's Jewishness in favor of playing up him being European. As a reminder, Judaism is an ethnoreligion-you can be both atheist and Jewish AND a European surname doesn't mean the person is of European descent. There is also downplaying of Jewish indigeneity to the Southern Levant. There's also a severe lack of discussion on the violence of Arabs and Jews towards each other as well as the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem having met with Hitler and being allies.
It is an extremely one sided affair. There is much to criticize on how Israel developed, but this isn't it. At all. Honestly, I could continue reading on, but there's no point really. There's so much wrong historically that it's not worth it to me.
They also promote BDS, which as a reminder, made a map of supposed 'Zionists' when it was really just Jewish people living in Boston and wants only the state of Palestine to exist and is actively against Palestinian-Israeli led Standing Together, which aims to change how Palestinians are treated in and out of Israel. And more. There's always more.
A brief view of the sources listed are of people that do not see Jewish people as indigenous and are very one sided. Basically, the site itself has the conclusion that everything with Jewish people and/or Israel is bad and from the glance I got from their list, they curated it to 'prove' the conclusion they came to.
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do you guys remember when the jumblr tag wasnā€™t constantly clogged with the same seven right-wing Israelis and three converts-in-progress spreading a shit ton of right wing talking points and making a text post every time they experienced the slightest amount of political discomfort? like there used to be actual stuff to reblog and share and talk about there
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@ginzers
so this post is old as heck but just having discovered it, I want to add my thoughts: first off, I don't have much to say about cultural appropriation-but no one is saying that cultural sharing is wrong. It's at least not wrong when it comes with cultural invitation, like buying traditional clothing from the people belonging to the culture, or being invited to put them on while at an event.
However, this "Japanese Tea Party" is not respectful nor "cultural sharing". It's not sharing if no one from the culture being shared is involved, and nothing about the costume is reflective of real traditional japanese clothing.
It's dressing up as a stereotypical depiction of an Asian person, no different than stereotypical halloween costumes.
The little girl is just a child, but the parents who threw the party should've known better.
You can't put some chopsticks in your hair, smear your face with white paint and put on a robe and claim that this is a representation of real Japanese culture.
The "placing your hands at chest-level" is a greeting gesture from southeast Asia; the traditional Japanese greeting is bowing, so thats another wrong.
Also, fun fact: in Japan the left lapel goes over the right, The only exception is for dead people. The little girl has has her right lapel over her right.
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@ginzers I take issue with the idea that its "traditional geisha makeup". Heres some examples of what real Geisha wear:
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Teach children that this is not ok
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chinesegal Ā· 8 days
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If Palestinians didn't exist before the 20th century, how did they manage to oppress jews over a thousand years ago? Did they have a tardis?
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chinesegal Ā· 8 days
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who else expected to see "one-time-I-dreamt" before getting to the end?
last year i was eating in a fancy, large restaurant when i began to hear a rumble and the distant sound of people chanting ā€˜potassium, potassiumā€™ and suddenly hundreds of people dressed as bananas flood this restaurant chanting potassium over and over and we were trapped there for a very long time because the bananas would not leave and they were everywhere
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i wasnā€™t joking
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chinesegal Ā· 9 days
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To Matan4il:
No, you are the only one who is gross and distorting history.
Stop pretending you care about indigenous people when you don't even understand what the label "indigenous" means. It does not mean being able to trace ancestors from a particular region, nor does it mean being the first people on the land. It describes a relationship to colonization-people whose societies were subjected to colonization, and Palestinians are indisputably indigenous both from your and this definition.
Of course, you distort everything I say to make your rabid bigotry sound righteous, and that pisses me a lot more than any personal attack. Farming does not make one indigenous, but an important part of most definitions of indigeneity is connections to the land, and the Palestinian farmers who knew, cultivated and loved the land they lived on are far more indigenous in this regard than the settlers who set fire to olive trees.
Your beliefs are word-for-word completely identical to the ideology of settler-colonialism-that displacing people from their homes is acceptable.
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chinesegal Ā· 10 days
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May far-right fascist zionist mfuckers like that matan4il asshole live their lives in misery and pain, alienated from everyone around them.
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chinesegal Ā· 10 days
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ā€œMay I please draw your OC?ā€
Reblog this message if you encourage anyone that wants to draw your OC to do so. Ā No need to ask for permission in advance.
Go for it. Ā Draw my OC. Ā If you want, Iā€™ll even give you reference posts. Ā Go to town on it.
You are welcome to draw my OC and surprise me with the result. Ā Seriously. Ā In fact, I encourage it. Ā I will proudly display whatever it is you submit to me regarding my OC. Ā There is a chance that I will squeal about it for several days.
Even if you feel you arenā€™t good at whatever artistic adventure it is you do, please feel free to submit it to me. Ā I want to see what you have done.
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chinesegal Ā· 11 days
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if you donā€™t know anything about romeo and juliet pleaaaaseeeeeee stfu
Im serious, plz come off anon.
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That zionist accusing me of "supporting arab colonialism" has to be one of the most ridiculous things ever.
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