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Dungeon Meshi Episode 17 SPOILERS (Mostly Toshiro ramblings)

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I think a big reason why I became so interested in his character is cuz as a Black person, I know exactly what it's like to hold your tongue and not say your piece and feel like your opinions may not matter. Especially in the face of Whyt people. I've had my fair share of speaking up and attempting to set boundaries with a couple of Whyt friends in the past and lets just say...we're not friends anymore lmao.

However, there definitely comes a point where that become a You Problem. That in some cases it's *you* who's holding yourself back. And it was VERY refreshing seeing Toshiro admit there are things he should've said. And that's he's envious of Laios' very open nature. Because I too get envious even 'till this day of those who are readily open about their thoughts and feelings. And it's something that is hard to try to do yourself, to try and be like that when you've grown up the opposite. It's envy and self loathing, but also a lot of admiration for the other person. A lot.

I definitely noticed how Toshiro spoke more after the fight. It made me happy to see lol If he reaaally hated Laios, he honestly would've just left him to die. However, despite appearing as this Law Abiding Citizen™️ (not affectionate) that some of the audience want him to be, he literally was like "ring this bell and I'll help you escape the police ✌🏾" And that's something I'm not surprised quite a few people are willing to ignore.

Toshiro and Kabru, in my opinion, are very similar in that they're shown in what appears to be bad light first. But it's up to the audience to pick up what's been put down in order to understand that they're also valid in their thoughts and feelings. Laios and The Gang are not the only ones who deserve understanding, and this is something that's suggested so far throughout the story.

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I like to think he starts every meeting like this

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do we like this chil i drew today

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friendship bracelets

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these have the same energy i feel

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can i be sad here for a moment

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Lmao you’re an adult, you shouldn’t be using the word squick. Use trigger. Use your grown up adult words to explain how you feel instead of leaning on a cutesy uwu term that no one outside of tumblr uses. It’s embarrassing.

Idek if this is serious or ironic honestly

#squick is a very useful term and i hope it makes a resurgence

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The more I think about it, the more Laios and Falin's different perceptions of their parents are a case of "same parents, different childhood".

Whenever someone asks Laios about his and Falin's family, he comments on how they treated Falin but never comments about how how their childhood affected him - in fact, he kind of glosses over it. It's Falin that everyone is rallying to save, it's Falin that's Marcille's friend, it's Falin that everyone has a positive opinion of - he's just the weirdo brother that gets to share some of her light sometimes. He's the one who's only tolerated when he's useful in a dungeon. Falin's treatment is a large part of the reason that he left, but it's the symptom of a larger issue.

When we see Laios' thoughts of his parents in his nightmares, it's all about the expectations that he's supposed to live up to: the expectation to stop being "childish", the expectation to get married (to who his parents picked) and have children, the expectation to take over from his father as the village chief, the expectation to adapt to something that he isn't able to be in the way that people want him to. And these are all things that he has had to be told in some way: he had to be told that Shuro didn't like him, he had to be told that told that the gold-peelers were taking advantage of him - these aren't thoughts that just appeared on their own, these are all failures that someone has explicitly pointed out to him and they haunt him. Some of the things he considers his biggest failures are his failure to provide for and protect Falin and those have very tangible examples he can point to.

We get a glimpse of what happens when he fails to live up to his father's expectations when Falin is born. He expects a certain reaction from Laios and when he fails to give that reaction he physically puts him down, dismisses him, and underestimates how much he understands.

And that's something that's shown to be a bit of a sore point for him - people thinking that he doesn't understand something because he doesn't express himself like people expect. The few times we see him snap at people are because people think he isn't understanding something because he isn't reacting "normally".

On Falin's side, the expectations seem to be a lot different - she's the younger one, for one, she's a girl, and she was so young when the fallout from her having magic happened. She too had an arranged engagement, but that was broken off when she was sent away to magic school and since then, their parents only seem to be passively involved in her life. She's mostly been freed of the expectations that their parents had for her in her village - she won't be coming back after all. She understands why they sent her away, she wasn't completely oblivious to the villagers treatment of her and it was, arguably, for the best so she is at peace with what their relationship is for now. But she still wants to go to her hometown and see for herself with adult eyes because she has never really had the space to do that.

I don't think their parents are inherently evil people - the truth is probably somewhere between Laios and Falin's version of the story, Laios' side tinged by too much cynicism and Falin's by too much naivete.

It just strikes me that when he tried to provide the "normal" way he failed, but given the space to do something similar to what people expected of him, but in his own way, he succeeded. He isn't perfect but his efforts are ultimately fruitful and he is able to carve out a place for himself, Falin, and others who had been ostracized like them to call home.

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I think Laios' childhood trauma and CANON hatred for humanity is so underrated and unexplored by the fandom. Like this is a man whose entire childhood was defined by the violence aimed at his family and especially his little sister, whose only escape from that was fantasies of violence that placed him in the role of the monster, and yet he had such a tight control over that hate that it took a literal demon to pull it out of him.

Even through the hate and fear, he stayed kind. He helped people. He gave his love freely, even when it wasn't returned. I think that the discovery that many of his "friends" can't stand him and that the world still viciously hates him must've been so horrible, just a repeat of the constant rejection his family faced and a validation of his belief that he would always be an outsider.

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