#you can't say all palestinians shouldn't be to blame for hamas's actions (which they shouldn't if that wasn't clear)

[annihilatius]

I honestly believe a lot of the pro-Palestine people on the left would be neo-Nazis if they were right wing because the amount of antisemitic propaganda you lot just eat up without an ounce of critical thought because it has the tag "Palestine" on it is genuinely horrifying.

#v.txt #antisemitism #im not saying you have to pick a side you should care about palestinians AND the innocent israelis being caught in crossfire #you can't say all palestinians shouldn't be to blame for hamas's actions (which they shouldn't if that wasn't clear) #and then say it doesn't matter if innocent israelis and israelian children are murdered because their government is bad #i know i said i don't like posting stuff like this but the 'propaganda' superbowl ad people are vagueing about #was a 'stop jewish hate' ad. it was not funded by israel. it was a non-profit organization with no proof it was made by zionists #and seeing people say 'there was something mentioning 'antisemitism' without any context behind it' makes me want to fucking puke. #antisemitism has skyrocketed exponentially since oct 7 with innocent jewish people being blamed for the actions of israel #and after the superbowl ad the entire internet has taken it as an invitation to publically broadcast how much they hate jewish people #you lot would rather literally spread blood libel rhoretic than just LISTEN to jewish people for once and it's so infuriatingly sad to see #all that im asking is just stop staying in your echo chamber that constantly spreads antisemitic conspiracy theories #and learn how antisemitic rhetoric actually spreads from jewish people talking about it instead of ignoring it like it doesn't exist #if you refuse to do that because you think not being antisemitic is contradictory to supporting palestine #then don't even bother saying your blog is safe for jewish people. it never will be until you stop reblogging from neo-nazis

[jewishbarbies]

So I debated for a long time whether to send this or not bc I explicitly do not want to equate what's happening in I/P to fiction or in any way trivialize the very real people who have died

But I find it incredibly ironic (in a bad way) how the leftist circles screaming about Zionism are the same circles that are STILL openly proudly fans of tv shows/books/movies that depict war in genuinely nuanced ways. Ways that EXPLICITLY contradict the black and white narratives exploding in leftist spaces.

So like. Did y'all miss the point or do you think nuance is for fiction only? There are innocent civilians on every side in war and civilians shouldn't be blamed for the actions of their governments --but only in fiction? In the real world it's fine to celebrate civilian casualties as long as they're Israeli? Guilt by association in fiction is bad but every Jewish person should be held accountable for the Israeli military???

Like I'm intentionally not naming any fandoms bc this SHOULDN'T be about fandoms, but the hypocrisy is killing me. They claim to be fans of the "killing civilians is bad even when they're from the Bad Culture™" shows but they're out in the real world denying (or worse celebrating) Oct 7th? They love the fictional characters who say "killing civilians is bad" but can't stand Jewish people mourning the civilians in israel? What???

(again, I'm really not trying to make this extremely real problem about fiction. I just mean the complete lack of self awareness I see every day has me ready to explode. )

no, i get what you mean. i definitely think there's a link between the massive drop in critical thinking and media literacy and the fandomization of real world issues. there's some statistic that gen z is the most politically active of most previous generations and while that's inherently a good thing, they're not engaging with politics and conflicts in responsible ways. they'll do a lot of organizing for a cause here in america and get something done, and then think they can do the same thing for international plights and just end up stepping on everyone's toes, inadvertently perpetuating that america-centric attitude they claim to be against, bc they don't listen.

a lot of people these days refuse to engage with media in the way it's intended and therefore ignore or flat out miss its entire message. you'll have a movie/show/book/whatever about the nuances of war, like the hunger games (which gen z is so completely misinterpreting), and how easy it is to become the person you're fighting against if you let yourself do the things they do eye for an eye style, and they'll come away from that comparing hamas to katniss. it makes no sense within the context of the book's narrative, yet that's the conclusion they draw because they refuse to properly engage. it contradicts their second-hand anger. they're mad about their own shitty life in the states and the powerlessness we all feel here as our rights are being threatened every single day, and they'll look for somewhere else to put it all. so they butt in to situations they don't belong in and make it worse like bulls in a china closet.

bottom line is that they see what they want to see because of their lack of self reflection and self awareness, thus allowing their lack of media literacy, critical thinking, and confirmation bias run the way they think and believe. they've taken "it's fiction" to the point where none of them would pass a basic english class and now palestinians and hamas are all blorbos in The Real World Show.

#Asks #anonymoose #antisemitism

[wjwisusdz]

It seems to me that people are fine with abuse of Muslims as long as those who are doing the abusing aren't Jewish.

I have so many issues about current discourse on Israel. For example: US is doing way worse things. Terrorists attacks are daily occurance in Israel. One terrorist attack and US got half of first World countries to go to war and fucked up Middle East for decades. AGAIN! no other country on earth daily faces existential threats like Israel. If you care about Arabs than how about the fact that even with all its problems Israel is still better than any Muslim country that is to say, that Arabs in Israel have more rights than in ANY Arab country? I hate whataboutism, but in this case it seems like intellectual laziness combined with antisemitism. US is allied with Saudi Arabia which uses weapons from first world countries to wage war on jemen. Where is the outraged? US not only put children in cages, there are forced sterilisations going on in immigration camps as we speak (of women - so the non reversible ones), even though I am an antinatalist it still makes me sick. While Israel allows existence of parties whose basic line is: 'Israel shouldn't exist' (it's quite funny - these organisations are made up of radical Muslims and orthodox Jews fighting alongside to bring down Israel). At the same time people in US who dare say that black lifes matter are attacked and murdered. Can you imagine what would happen if someone try to establish an official organisation which credo was 'the existence of US is a sin, all property own by US citizens should be handed of to native Americans and US should cease to exist because it is an abomination to the Lord?' And Israel allows exactly that. I can't think of a single other country which would go that far to value political freedom

Wouldn't it be great if there was at least half as much outrage about Chinese actions against its Muslim population as there is about Palestine?

(at the same time I'm honestly perplexed how US is even considered a democracy)

On the one hand, whataboutism is wrong. On the other, pain and injustice should be addressed by its severity? I mean, doesn't it stand to reason to first deal with bigger issues?

It also pisses me off when people feel entitled to pass judgment even though 1) terrorist attacks aren't a daily occurance in their countries 2) they know next to nothing about history of Israel. The thing is, no one (other than white people by which I mean Western Europe and US) screwed Muslims as much as rich Muslims. Two issues. First, do you know how Jews got the land? It wasn't some devious trick or even colonialism. They just bought it. Rich Muslims sold it, taking as much as 4-5 times the amount of the genuine value of that land. Then poor Arabs blamed Jews and the rich ones used the unjustified resentment to get even more power.

That's why it is so annoying to hear that missiles fired at Israel aren't such a big problem, because Israel has a great defense system. Why is their system so great? Because from the beginning everyone around them tried to exterminate them? Still, even more important, why is Palestinian defense system so poor? (and that's the second reason why rich Muslims are such a threat to most Muslims).

See, Hamas in the beginning had founding even from Israel itself but even without it you couldn't call them poor. Misery of people they govern is a result of a calculated decision. Hamas has huge funding from exceptionally reach countries: Saudi Arabia and Iran (even though they are mortal enemies). They have money - the CHOOSE not to invest in defense. Suffering is a main driving force behind recruitment to terrorist organisation. If Israeli successfully kill Palestinians, then 1) more recruits for Hamas and other organisations 2) bad press for Israel to the point when they can't respond to attack with force because of international outcry. Hamas could afford protection - they just don't want to. So why do people bash Israel for prioritising the safety of their citizens? Not just Jewish citizens. Why don't we talk about Muslim victims of Hamas? Currently, most Muslim citizens of Israel don't want to be a part of Palestine autonomy. In Israel, even with all its faults, they are safer than in places controlled by Hamas (mass political assassinations, less social coverage).

I'm not a fan of current Israeli policy, I find it exceptionally stupid, detrimental to well being of people of all religious backgrounds. Furthermore, there are undisputable instances of war crimes (bombing hospitals). Still, most of the criticism I saw is basically hypocritical, shallow or bad faith, at 'best' disgustingly ignorant.

In US white people are far more dangerous than anyone else (mass shootings, attacks on Michigan governor, January insuraction plus crimes committed by police on non-white and/or neurodivergent citizens, by CIA and military all around the world for over hundred years now) and still they put children in cages, put travel bans, and where's the backlash? There wasn't a single terrorist attack in Poland but they still restricted civil liberties in the name of antiterrorism. In comparison (and only in comparison - it would be atrocious without it) Israel actions seem quite tame.

Current situation and international reaction is very very beneficial to terrorist organisation which prey on young and poor (on top of my mind check Atran Scott).

#israel #palestine #historical context #I'm drunk sad and terrified by my dissertation on eugenics #As well as procrastinating #Also quite weird in general #I also studied psychology and wrote about mechanism of radicalization #There's nothing I can do #I can barely afford electricity #Some food and meds #I definitely believe it would be better if people like me stopped wasting resources and committed suicide #But I'm scared of pain #And my little brothers need me and I and want to hurt them