#this is about as bizarre as when people censor them saying Fuck in fic on this website. they say fuck out loud in the cartoon

[dykesynthezoid]

ooo 3, 13, and 14 👀

let’s gooooo

I tried to edit this down but it’s still extremely long. I’m not sorry

3. Screenshot or description of the worst take you've seen on tumblr

Oh but there’s so many. So, so many. Truly an unending amount.

A somewhat funny but overwhelmingly bizarre take I’ve seen is that when fandom has a female character they don’t like, they just decide to claim she’s homophobic??? Lmao?? Like they’re both so invested in all their gay ships and also hate her so much for not being 100% accommodating to everyone else at all times that their solution is to claim that. She must be the token straight who’s also a homophobe.

It’s always the same type of female character too btw. “Katara is homophobic” “Nancy Wheeler is homophobic” “Sam is homophobic” literally people hate women SO MUCH and the shit they have to come up with to justify it can be honestly fascinating. People will see a girl who has been even slightly bossy or headstrong or complicated once in their fucking lives and decide she’s the most evil bitch to ever exist. Like get over yoursellllffff!!! It’s SO embarassing for them

13. Worst blorbofication

Any blorbofication that 1. completely sandpapers any interesting flaws or nuance, 2. entirely invents positive or sympathetic traits that the character does not actually possess; these treats are frequently stolen from other characters within the same media, but who are in some way marginalized and therefore fans ~just can’t put their finger on it, but they don’t like them as much as their blorbo for some reason… But here’s all the character traits they stole from them and gave to their blorbo to make the blorbo seem cooler, of course

(Bro people will literally see a female character or a character of color with an interesting trait and go “YOINK!” and just slap it onto their boring white guy blorbo)

I would say an example of the first type, though, is Terry Silver. I don’t think it’s strange at all to feel affection for his character or be fascinated by him. I mean, look at him. There’s some wacky shit going on there, how can you not be fascinated? I do think it’s strange to build up a thing in your head where he’s always the victim, nothing is really his fault, he can’t be blamed, poor poor Terry he’s so sad and lonely, etc. Like idk maybe he wouldn’t be so lonely if he weren’t Terrible To Be Around because he actively enjoys hurting people. And I like that about him! I like that he’s so campily evil!!!

Anyway just let him be a fucked up little weirdo!! It’s what makes him interesting!! He’s literally a psycho biddy mixed with a byronic hero in the shape of the campiest gay villains imaginable, love and cherish him as he is.

19. That one thing you see in fics all the time

Hmm. Okay. So. I have a couple of these; one I truly dislike and another I just tend to note and go “hmm, interesting.” Let’s start with the more controversial one.

So. There’s such a thing in TKK and CK as canon-typical racism, right? It’s a reality that exists in both. And I think it would be wrong to expect any author, regardless of race, to just wholly ignore that, because again, it’s a reality of the story (and of the real world).

However. Would it be nice if people could let you know when the story is going to be full of slurs? Yeah, I think it would.

I understand why and how those are things that end up needing to be touched on. I don’t think authors should have to censor themselves in that aspect. But also; there’s such a flippancy, in how sooo many ck and tkk authors approach using those things in their stories. And I think it’s really fucking easy to be flippant, right, if it doesn’t affect you, if you’re not a part of the race that’s being targeted, and especially if you’re white. Of course it doesn’t seem like a big deal.

I also think people seem to genuinely somehow forget that someone could read what they’ve written and be triggered by it. Like. As if; in particular; Asian people don’t exist or wouldn’t be reading their stories??? It’s very strange. And it’s so easy to put in a little warning! It’s so easy! And why wouldn’t people be sensitive about something like that, when fandom racism can be so rampant on a broader scale?

And you could say oh, well people should expect that content because it’s in the source material. But like… we all regularly tag and warn for things as milquetoast as say, underage drinking. Which is also in the source material. So I’m really not getting how popping a quick content warning for canon-typical racism is so difficult.

(I also think some people genuinely seem to forget; or don’t care; about the history and trauma that comes attached to certain derogatory terms and slurs. “J*p” should not be something you are just throwing into your fic for fun. You need to have really thought about why you’re putting it there, the purpose it’s serving, what you’re saying about the character who says it).

On a slightly lighter note! Something I see all the time in Lawrusso fics (and sometimes other M/M fics with Daniel as well) is people just sort of struggling to figure out what to do with Amanda. And I’m not trying to condemn that, at least not altogether.

And I certainly prefer the current trend of her being supportive and finding any developments hilarious to the earlier portrayals of her just being the villain for no reason. But also, just leaving her in the wingwoman position and not bothering to add any dimension there can leave her very flat, and it’s a position female characters get put in often in regards to M/M ships.

One solution is of course in going the poly route, because it usually necessitates at least a little bit of rumination on Amanda’s perspective. But even then there’s no guarantee people add any dimension to her.

And of course; we’re speaking in trends here. This isn’t an issue of individual preference, or a pursuit in lambasting anyone on their personal work; it’s a discussion of something much larger.

I don’t think Amanda should somehow have to be an extremely nuanced focal point in every M/M Daniel fic (that’s just not possible, for one, lmao). But when people do choose to include her in a major way, I think it’s good to stop and consider how you can add a little depth or nuance. I mean, I’ve had to struggle with that myself, and I’m never really sure if I’ve succeeded or not. But I thought about it, and I kept it in mind, and I think even that can make a difference.

I myself often go the divorce route in writing her; although it. Usually doesn’t even have anything to do with what Daniel and Johnny are doing? It’s just that I think Amanda deserves to be with someone who’s not obsessed with karate. And I like Damanda, and I love Daniel, but like. Idk man! It’s a whole lot! And I think anyone could get tired of it. She quite literally did not sign up for that. And if you think her being Daniel’s wife puts her under some kind of obligation to always be understanding and always take his side and never question him; well. Ew, frankly. Just because Daniel also deserves support doesn’t mean she has to be on the same page as him or she’s a bad wife.

She’s literally her own person!! Let her be her own person!!!

(Literally I wish I could pay for her and Carmen to just go on a long fucking vacation. Let them have a fucking break and have mind-blowing gay sex away from all the karate nonsense and their identities as partners and mothers. What if they were just two hot perimenopausal women with complex inner lives and complicated pasts experiencing life together on a beach in Cabo. Y’know. And they could have a time together that’s about them, they’re the point, they haven’t somehow been relegated to a background pairing. And also there’s the gay sex).

(I think I got off track. What was I talking about? Oh, right.)

I think how quickly my mind will shove Daniel and Johnny out of way the moment Amanda and Carmen appear IS #feminism tbh. Like they might as well not exist to me when Amanda and Carmen are onscreen together, or when a story’s supposed to be about them. Daniel who? I’ve never heard of him. Also I think people should write long, beautiful Carmanda fics and then tag Lawrusso just bc they appear in the background for five seconds. I think it would be hilarious.

#some of these Should Not be controversial opinions but they do seem to be! #basically just me complaining about fandom misogyny and racism for a while #cobra kai #asks

[lilikoi-lacroix]

Rant about bigoted attitudes in fandom. tl;dr: Maybe ggdd are upset by fans making fiction about them involving stigmatized subject matter but it’s equally if not more likely they’re upset by fans attacking and censoring people in their name.

Don’t project your opinions onto gg (or dd) and say you’re protecting him. You’re not. You’re actually making a more hurtful claim than any fanfic could ever do: you’re claiming that gg in real life has ignorant and bigoted attitudes.

Sorry not sorry but some people in fandom really mask bigoted opinions in a facade of moral righteousness and ‘protecting’ ggdd and it’s beyond upsetting.

I just saw a post from a big account that brought me to tears:

This person is saying that fictional depiction as a sex worker and as a woman is something that gg is particularly upset by and in my opinion implying there’s something particularly hurtful about that type of depiction in comparison to other fictional depictions of him and his relationship with dd. I’ve seen many bxg’s (not to mention solos and antis) over the last seven months degrade sex workers and trans women when talking about two/two7. A) big fuck you to the people saying that shit. Educate yourself and be better. B) you’re recreating the attitude that ignited the scandal in the first place.

I know that most people saying these things probably don’t realize they’re being bigoted but claiming that gg is particularly ‘degraded’ or that gg is particularly ‘upset’ by a fictional depiction of him as a trans woman who does sex work is saying there’s something inherently shameful or degrading about being a trans woman and something inherently shameful and degrading about doing sex work. There is a particular stigma to being trans and doing sex work because we live in a transphobic, patriarchical society but I’ve never seen people making these arguments specify the stigma as the issue.

I’ve read the fic in question and I actually think it’s a deeply ignorant, bizarre and cruel depiction of its subject matter. I wish I hadn’t read it. But the reason it became a scandal is because transphobic, whorephobic and homophobic fans thought it was ‘degrading’ to gg and took it upon themselves to do whatever it took to destroy it in order to ‘protect’ gg. And transphobic, whorephobic and homophobic antis used it to try to degrade gg afterwards.

It’s fine if you don’t want to see depictions of this kind of subject matter. What you’re comfortable with is your business.

But don’t project your preferences onto gg (or dd) and say you’re protecting him. You’re not. You’re actually making a more hurtful claim than any fanfic could ever do: you’re claiming that gg in real life has ignorant and bigoted attitudes.

We don’t know how ggdd feel about any of this.

Maybe they’re worried about fans making fiction about them involving stigmatized subject matter but it’s equally if not more likely they’re worried about fans attacking and censoring people in their name.

#transphobia #homophobia #whorephobia #and this claim that supporting a cp is fundamentally different and better than shipping is bizarre #a cp is a ship. bjyx is a ship. zwss is a ship. #having a cp is shipping

[bigskydreaming]

I don’t want censorship. I don’t condone censorship. I don’t defend censorship. I don’t advocate censorship. 

I LITERALLY NEVER FUCKING TALK ABOUT CENSORSHIP EXCEPT TO TELL PEOPLE NO I’M NOT IN FAVOR OF CENSORSHIP SO CAN YOU PLEASE STOP ARGUING WITH ME ABOUT CENSORSHIP THAT I NEVER PROPOSED AND DON’T SUPPORT BECAUSE THAT’S LITERALLY NOT EVEN IN THE SAME ZIP CODE AS THE POINT I AM ALWAYS TRYING TO MAKE.

How fucking hard is it for the people who have the most to say about my opinions on toxic ships/fics, to actually READ one of those opinions once and grasp that I am not, have never been, and never WILL be for CENSORSHIP, the idea of telling people what they can and can’t write.

My only stance has ALWAYS been if you can’t write something without feeling you have to twist facts and talk over survivors and convince everyone that your writing has NO effect or influence whatsoever, in order to not feel bad or guilty or ashamed and defensive for writing it......like that should tell you something, and you should maybe take five seconds away from writing more of it to reflect on why the fuck its so important to you to convince everyone that what you’re doing is fine and harmless and they’re just completely delusional for thinking narratives can make an impression on people.

That’s not censorship. That’s not telling you that you CAN’T write something, its telling you that its not okay to wrap yourself in a fake bubble and pretend nothing you do matters or affects anyone else, just so you can continue writing something you maybe feel like you shouldn’t be writing, deep down inside already.

Asking people to THINK about the content they write, is not equivalent to banning that content, or even suggesting people ban that content. BECAUSE BANS DON’T DO ANY FUCKING GOOD. I AM IN COMPLETE AGREEMENT WITH EVERY ANTI-CENSORSHIP ARGUMENT ON THIS MATTER EVER, WHICH BIZARRELY MIGHT BE BECAUSE I AM IN FACT, ANTI-CENSORSHIP.

If the only reason people DON’T write certain things is because they can’t get away with it or they’re afraid they’ll be punished for it or whatever, that doesn’t solve ANYTHING. It doesn’t address the why of what draws them to write such content in the first place, and it doesn’t instill them with any greater awareness of how their content affects other people.

ITS KINDA LIKE HOW YEAH WE HAVE LAWS AGAINST MURDER BUT WE DON’T LET THAT STOP US FROM ALSO TELLING PEOPLE HEY MURDER IS BAD AND HERE’S WHY YOU SHOULD THINK SO TOO.

And unlike with murder, which isn’t something that generally cultivates actual supporters and communities with it being the source and heart of it (Manson groupies and murder cults not included), all banning things that society considers ‘taboo’ and people are already prone to justifying in past precedents - like alcohol in prohibition or inflammatory or revolutionary or controversial creative content - all banning or censoring THAT kinda thing does is give people who already have a sense of community, organization, that now has been taken away from them, that makes them feel or be aware they’ve actively LOST something....now it gives them something to push back against, while drawing support due to their status as underdogs, because who doesn’t like a good David kicks Goliath’s ass feel-good story at the end of the day, am I right? Thus ensuring that at some point, in some way, they’ll still end up writing and producing the same content just in some other form or medium or venue.

Asking people to THINK about the EFFECTS their writing might have on other people is not bullying or harassing people in instances where there’s zero actual harassment or threatening going on, when its actually more just that they’re saying things that make you FEEL BAD and you don’t like that and want them to just cut it out, just stop it, waaah. 

(And no, there’s not a one to one correlation between writing and reading. I am not saying that writing something guarantees causation, like just because someone reads something doesn’t mean they’re going to replicate that scene in real life, no fucking doi, but its not ZERO affect or COMPLETELY FOLLOWING A SCRIPT, like just two fucking opposite extremes are the only options here, with no middle ground whatsoever. The fact that writing a story doesn’t make you a nefarious puppet master pulling the strings of whatever mindless reader you suckered into reading your fic and falling under its hypnotic spell, now yours to command -  like....that doesn’t mean stories never have ANY effect on readers whatsoever. That they can’t inspire related thoughts, they can’t normalize questionable behavior, they can’t give someone a justification to do or say or believe something they were already on the fence about, that they can’t help connect people who seek out certain stories because they’re actually fucking predatory people and these kinds of fantasies are absolutely their wank material, and here, have a whole community of people to go along with that story, all talking up how hot that is, asking for more, sharing similar thoughts or stories....nah, its absolutely INCONCEIVABLE how that sort of thing could have any affect whatsoever, on human behavior, on the choices people make, the confidence that determines whether or not they feel ballsy or at least safe enough to act on certain impulses....

Nah, you’re absolutely right. NONE OF THAT can EVER result from the producing and proliferation of certain content. Nope, nope, nope, people who produce this content only do so after toggling on the safety switch that ensures that they have now entered the NO CONSEQUENCES ZONE, in which it is LITERALLY IMPOSSIBLE for any action they make - you know, like ACTIVELY writing a story, ACTIVELY distributing it, ACTIVELY seeking out more, ACTIVELY sharing ideas, ACTIVELY encouraging someone else to write their own or being encouraged to write more of the same, ACTIVELY forming bonds and friendships and community on the basis of specific content appealing to them as being sexually gratifying....

Yeah, once safely in the NO CONSEQUENCES ZONE, any action a writer takes inside the zone is completely unlike every other action normally is. Any action now magically has ZERO ability to cause a REaction or have an effect or influence on someone else or y’know. A consequence of any kind.

ALL I HAVE EVER SAID IS IF YOU HAVE TO GO SO FUCKING FAR DOWN THE RABBIT HOLE OF CONVINCING YOURSELF ALL OF THAT IS TRUE IN ORDER TO FEEL COMFORTABLE AND JUSTIFIED IN WRITING AND READING AND SHARING THE SPECIFIC CONTENT YOU’RE DEFENDING SO GODDAMN HARD....

Maybe you should buy yourself a fucking clue, Nancy Drew, because something in YOUR subconscious is probably banging on the walls trying REALLY damn hard to get your attention at that point, even though most of you just REACT to that by raising your voices and yelling even louder at all those sneaky, insidious antis that got inside your head somehow and convinced that little voice downstairs to start acting up and raising a fuss.

FUCK.

CENSORSHIP.

I hate it. I’m not for it. I don’t want it.

You know what I want?

ALL I really want?

CREATORS THINKING MORE CRITICALLY ABOUT WHAT THEY WRITE AND WHY, AND MAKING MORE CREATIVE CHOICES THAT TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THAT CREATIVE WORK HAS IMPACT, IT AFFECTS AND SHAPES CULTURE, SOCIETY, TRENDS, AND MUCH MUCH MORE. IT PERPETUATES AND ENABLES AND FALSELY VALIDATES ALREADY HELD RACIST, HOMOPHOBIC AND MISOGYNISTIC BELIEFS. ETC ETC AD NAUSEAM. 

ALL CREATIVE WORK HAS POWER. 

AND POWER THAT’S USED WITHOUT CONCERN FOR ITS POTENTIAL CONSEQUENCES SHOULD ALWAYS. 

DRAW. 

CRITICISM.

That’s it. That’s the whole fucking sermon. That’s all I have EVER fucking been saying on this blog on the subject of writing racist and homophobic and transphobic shit and shipping incest, pedophilia, rape and similar stuff.

The fucking end.

#yeah this is fine to reblog