#like when i'm talking about how magneto's grandkids are hank pym's great grandkids because vision (who was made by ultron)

[shmreduplication]

on the topic of pygmalion, the version i heard was that our boy Pyg was a sculptor who all the single women on the island wanted to marry him to the point that Aphrodite came down and was like 'hey you need to marry a woman' and he cunningly suggests that he will as soon as he can finish a sculpture using her as his model (thinking she'll say no because she's busy with goddess stuff). She says yes and then he proceeds to sculpt as slowly as he possibly can but eventually finishes because you can't just keep carving into marble forever if you want a life-size statue because you'll wear it down to a nub. She says ok time to pick a wife and in his final cunning move he says the only woman he's ever loved is this statue, so she turns it into a real person

the version on wikipedia is different but it still has that air of "oh i'm totally heterosexual, I have a crush on [platonic ideal of a woman that he'll never have to interact with for real]! it's just that all the women i know irl are unappealing to me" which is a common thread when gay and ace people reminisce about lying to their het classmates in middle school (except the platonic ideal is whoever is a current popular celebrity of the correct gender, rather than a statue like pygmalion chose)

so yeah i love pygmalion but i'm still squicked out by the "born sexy yesterday" trope and loathe the "man literally creates a woman and then has sex with her" trope even tho those are all clearly indirectly influenced by the pygmalion myth

#and hten taking it one step farther #it's ok when a creation makes another creation to wed #so hank pym making ultron is fine but it would be bad if they had sex #ultron making jocasta to be his wife is also fine #hank pym and jocasta later dating is weird and gross but only because hank is weird and gross #but it's fine in that it doesn't break the previously established rules #basically the creator/father confusion grossness only applies if that person is a living person #so i'd say hank is ultron's dad but i wouldn't say that hank is jocasta's granddad and ultron isn't her dad #except for when it's really funny #like when i'm talking about how magneto's grandkids are hank pym's great grandkids because vision (who was made by ultron) #has twin sons with scarlet witch (magneto's daughter)